Mr. Perfect Posted July 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2013 Then no offence, you should probably stop watching football or pay more attention. It is VERY easy to blame just the QB. It was quite clear, to me anyway that, while Buck had a very poor game, there is much more plaguing this team at the moment. Jaxon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokinBlue Posted July 15, 2013 Report Share Posted July 15, 2013 Disagree Mike. Buck has NEVER turned the ball over as much as Joey did. It's one thing to struggle, its another to game in and game out (except for games against Hamilton and Montreal) to be a complete turnover machine. Buck is a problem right now, but he has a successful track record as a starter, and there is obviously a reason Burke is sticking with him. and Joey has NEVER failed to move as pathetically as BUCK. NEVER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKAChip Posted July 15, 2013 Report Share Posted July 15, 2013 There are a few things plaguing this team on offense right now but to say that most of it isn't caused by Buck's numerous shortcomings is a real stretch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Perfect Posted July 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2013 Buck's 3 turnovers on our side of the field in week 1 were more problematic than any of Joey's turnover filled games. You're comparing one game versus a number of games in Joey's case. That in itself is the answer to why Buck has been treated different that Joey. Turnovers in the red zone are every bit as bad, as shown in the game against Calgary last year at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Perfect Posted July 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2013 and Joey has NEVER failed to move as pathetically as BUCK. NEVER Joey is a pocket passer. Invalid argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokinBlue Posted July 15, 2013 Report Share Posted July 15, 2013 You're comparing one game versus a number of games in Joey's case. That in itself is the answer to why Buck has been treated different that Joey. Turnovers in the red zone are every bit as bad, as shown in the game against Calgary last year at home. Big time facepalm to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokinBlue Posted July 15, 2013 Report Share Posted July 15, 2013 Joey is a pocket passer. Invalid argument. So Buck's not a pocket pass and he's not a scrambler? What does that make him other than useless and an ex QB that should hit the road but instead is getting employed by an idiot for a coach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Negatron Posted July 15, 2013 Report Share Posted July 15, 2013 1) Wide Receivers not hitting their waggles See, I noticed this too (mentioned on another site, was told I was being too picky). We look super ragged when we approach the line, as if nobody knows the snap count. All his comments point to a lack of attention to detail. Sounds like maybe Crowton is being indirectly blamed here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair GM Posted July 15, 2013 Report Share Posted July 15, 2013 I'm guessing we might see a change at OL and Doug Pierce come in for somebody. Outside receiver is not the issue. That we predictably throw to the sidelines, and to out routes, while ignoring the in-routes, is the issue. Too easy to cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrenaline_x Posted July 15, 2013 Report Share Posted July 15, 2013 Yah... After listening to Burke maybe its not all buck but it sure looked that way to me. Sounds like the confusion over the waggle is causing alot of issues.. maybe the hurry up offence isn't the greatest for letting everyone know what the snap count is, or the play. Hurry up would work if the offence was firing on all cylinders.. But 10 of our 12 spark plug wires are disconnected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokinBlue Posted July 15, 2013 Report Share Posted July 15, 2013 Burke is just looking for any and every excuse that exists that doesn't involve blaming Buck, he doesn't want to admit how badly he screwed up this off season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted July 15, 2013 Report Share Posted July 15, 2013 Then no offence, you should probably stop watching football or pay more attention. It is VERY easy to blame just the QB. It was quite clear, to me anyway that, while Buck had a very poor game, there is much more plaguing this team at the moment. I personally pay plenty of attention, as I'm sure you also do. I guess we're just seeing different things. I see a QB who locks on to his initial read almost exclusively. I see a QB who is so unaware of pressure that he'll take six sacks but will go an entire game without throwing a single ball away. I see a QB who has problems spotting any openings in the intermediate portions of the field. I see a QB who cannot utilize a screen pass to save his life. I see a QB who is overthrowing, underthrowing and failing to lead his receivers into passes. I see a QB who struggles to recognize any blitz tendencies whatsoever. I see a QB who is unable to inspire ANY faith that we can come from behind when trailing late in a game. I see a QB who seems to patch together one quarter of good play a game and then disappear for the balance. I see a QB who is finding different ways to lose every week as opposed to finding different ways to win. But since I'm curious, what do you see from Buck? I'm not saying there are not other problem areas with this offense. I'm saying the most important position on the field is failing us right now and in a big way. rebusrankin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair GM Posted July 15, 2013 Report Share Posted July 15, 2013 So... Who is sitting then? My guess is Jovon is getting sat (He had at least two big mistakes last game... the first giving up the huge TD pass to Giguere, the second was late in the game and I think resulted in more points as well) The second is Morley? Morley's brutal. Below-average for the past 2+ years at least. For some reason, the coaches haven't seen it, and I bet he continues starting. Wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Jovon on that Giguere TD... Cauchy bit the underneath route. Giguere will outrun Jovon all day, every day. That said, Burke isn't the hugest Jovon fan... and I could see it as a way to get Sears into the lineup, if he's ready. The other one I see is Matthews. Has not been great this year, but I would think his full body of work from last year should buy him some time. When Buck Pierce hits you in the chest, you buy a lottery ticket. When you don't catch it, you buy a plane ticket home... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Perfect Posted July 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2013 Judging by Burke's comments in the video, I don't think it will be Mathews. I think most are right when suggesting Morley takes a seat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokinBlue Posted July 15, 2013 Report Share Posted July 15, 2013 I see a QB who seems to patch together one quarter of good play a game and then disappear for the balance. Maybe a quarter of a quarter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted July 15, 2013 Report Share Posted July 15, 2013 I personally pay plenty of attention, as I'm sure you also do. I guess we're just seeing different things. I see a QB who locks on to his initial read almost exclusively. I see a QB who is so unaware of pressure that he'll take six sacks but will go an entire game without throwing a single ball away. I see a QB who has problems spotting any openings in the intermediate portions of the field. I see a QB who cannot utilize a screen pass to save his life. I see a QB who is overthrowing, underthrowing and failing to lead his receivers into passes. I see a QB who struggles to recognize any blitz tendencies whatsoever. I see a QB who is unable to inspire ANY faith that we can come from behind when trailing late in a game. I see a QB who seems to patch together one quarter of good play a game and then disappear for the balance. I see a QB who is finding different ways to lose every week as opposed to finding different ways to win. But since I'm curious, what do you see from Buck? I'm not saying there are not other problem areas with this offense. I'm saying the most important position on the field is failing us right now and in a big way. I see the same things as you though I'd maybe change the shows up for one quarter thing to shows up for about 2 great drives a game. Cause there's times in every game where Piece has looked damn good hitting receivers and marching the ball down the field.... the trouble is that he can't sustain that for more than 2 or 3 drives a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted July 15, 2013 Report Share Posted July 15, 2013 What I don't get still is clearly the offense had issues.... yet they made zero adjustments or changes. Why not put Goltz in for 2 sets of series and maybe switch the receivers around a bit??? Why do we ALWAYS need to review game film to make adjustments for the next game.... makes no sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebusrankin Posted July 15, 2013 Report Share Posted July 15, 2013 I think Morley sits for Swiston. I'll say Pierce for Denmark or Anderson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted July 15, 2013 Report Share Posted July 15, 2013 Why not put Goltz in to do his run it around the edge play when we're stuck in the midst of 5 or 6 2 and outs in a row? At least get a first down and let the punter punt from somewhere other than the shadow of his own goalposts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuranBoldenRules Posted July 15, 2013 Report Share Posted July 15, 2013 Boatman and an IMP receiver sit down. Floyd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted July 15, 2013 Report Share Posted July 15, 2013 Hopefully we see Pierce come into the game at receiver. That guy always seems to catch the ball when it comes to him which is a much needed skill right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluto Posted July 15, 2013 Report Share Posted July 15, 2013 not sure i'd ever want Burke as the Argo's HC, but damn is his candor refreshing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted July 15, 2013 Report Share Posted July 15, 2013 Sooooo how come Henry Burris was able to throw for 300+ yards despite his o line being destroyed and him having no time to set up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweep the leg Posted July 15, 2013 Report Share Posted July 15, 2013 Burke is just looking for any and every excuse that exists that doesn't involve blaming Buck, he doesn't want to admit how badly he screwed up this off season. Burke said, and I quote, "it would be nice if we could hit an open receiver." That sounds like Buck is involved in that criticism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Negatron Posted July 15, 2013 Report Share Posted July 15, 2013 Sooooo how come Henry Burris was able to throw for 300+ yards despite his o line being destroyed and him having no time to set up? Because when Burris is good, he is really good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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