Permission to talk: Is O'Shea leaving?

[Deiter Fan]

The way I see it MOS is likely a really good guy. He's probably an excellent friend, a great father and husband and loyal to his players. If you see the game and the process in the same way he does my sense is he would go to the wall for you. Unfortunately I also get the sense he's more dedicated to the individual than the team.

On the one hand it's why players were so anxious and willing to play for him. I've used the analogy before but back in my school days often my most favourite teachers were the ones who expected the least from me. It seems like that's part of what's happening here, if you've earned his loyalty he won't bench you if you're playing poorly. He'll leave you in the rotation over and over again so long as you're making an effort even if you're coming up way short, he will be loyal to you.

As a human being I have a lotta respect for that. As the fan of a football team I can't help but wonder if it's conducive to winning. My perception is a man in that position needs to have a very acute sense of realism, bluntness and be a little cutthroat. He was able to get by without those attributes when he had a bunch of quality players but once it appeared as though some hard choices had to be made he didn't seem able to make them.

It's not true that people can't change but something a wise cousin said to me once is very true, "Think about how long it took that person to get like that. Well, that's probably how long it'll take them to change".

Time will tell if MOS can change or if he is provided more quality puzzle pieces so he doesn't have to.

Regardless I'll keep watching and hoping for the best.

 

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Deiter Fan

[Bubba Zanetti]

14 hours ago, rebusrankin said:

If he just does the opposite of every instinct he has, this will work out fine.

He’s been known to

[Goalie]

I feel they recognize or miller recognizes problems exist and I think miller O’Shea and Kyle will work hard this off season to show that yeah you know what, it is time for some changes. I don’t believe for a second that any of Wade Kyle or Osh are happy with how this season went and I’m sure will work hard to fix it. Sometimes complacency kicks in after a decade, sometimes you need the kick in the ass. I feel like this year is wade kicking Kyle and Osh in the ass a bit. You can’t get rid of all the vets but you can’t bring them all back either. And Zach is the biggest question. He’s our starter cuz he’s getting paid way 2 much to not start. Elgersma might be nice. Hopefully another Rourke. 

Edited 2 hours ago by Goalie

[rebusrankin]

7 hours ago, Noeller said:

Talked to Osh for a bit tonight at TD MB... Classic answers "We need to be better... And we will be...". Ha ha. I chuckled at the non answer of it all. I'm definitely very interested in Walters presser whenever that happens. 

You had him there and didn't tell him to cut Jake and Kola? Boo.

[Deiter Fan]

55 minutes ago, Goalie said:

I feel they recognize or miller recognizes problems exist and I think miller O’Shea and Kyle will work hard this off season to show that yeah you know what, it is time for some changes. I don’t believe for a second that any of Wade Kyle or Osh are happy with how this season went and I’m sure will work hard to fix it. Sometimes complacency kicks in after a decade, sometimes you need the kick in the ass. I feel like this year is wade kicking Kyle and Osh in the ass a bit. You can’t get rid of all the vets but you can’t bring them all back either. And Zach is the biggest question. He’s our starter cuz he’s getting paid way 2 much to not start. Elgersma might be nice. Hopefully another Rourke. 

 I don't know, man...if losing three Grey Cups in a row with a chance to turn it around on the fourth...at home...isn't enough of a kick in the ass/motivator I don't know what is.

[HardCoreBlue]

1 hour ago, rebusrankin said:

You had him there and didn't tell him to cut Jake and Kola? Boo.

Yea like at least you could have thrown in some subliminal messaging like Good evening Mr. O’Shea big fan of yours, (cut Jake Thomas and Kola immediately), great season just some hard luck (for the love of gawd take Hogan out back and take care of business), we all appreciate what you have done for this great organization, have a great season next year and many many more, enjoy your evening and enjoy the game tomorrow (if you don’t make these course corrections immediately I and my friends from MBB, led by @Booch, will round up a posse with pitchforks and torches and take you out to the ‘farm’).

[JohnnyAbonny]

1 hour ago, Deiter Fan said:

 I don't know, man...if losing three Grey Cups in a row with a chance to turn it around on the fourth...at home...isn't enough of a kick in the ass/motivator I don't know what is.

Yeah, really the kick in the ass should have been after last year. The 24-25 offseason was the worst of this era. 
They’d better get busy quick now, can’t afford to fumble **** around until February again. 

[wbbfan]

12 hours ago, Pete said:

Neither are overpays as thats what the market is for starting top cdns, just like Dobson,Ford, Mcinnis.robbie Smith etc.

For the most part we have been unwilling to go go there so we ended up losing both Dobson and Ford and unable to replace them adequately. We tried to get  "deals" which never happened

  

 

Yes they are. No canadian back is making even close to brady, or imp back. And mcinnis is in his prime, demski is 4-5 years older with a ton of wear. You can’t compare a rbs pay to dl or ol either lol. 

Ford is also a terrible contract. 

Even with dobsons step forward this year, he’s still way way over paid. 

11 hours ago, Mark H. said:

Beside the point. The BO contract is not the huge issue it gets made out to be. Other players are not earning their $$, but he certainly is.

He’s the least of the bad contracts, but you cant pay a rb elite wr money and make it work with out an elite player on basically a min contract. It’s un sustainable. 

People thought harris was irreplaceable too. But in the end, he was easily replaced. When brady has missed games, we haven’t struggled to run the ball at all. 

I love brady on the field and off, but his deal is already swimming with cement shoes. A raise for him is completely outlandish. 

 

The tier of bad contracts for us goes some thing like this 

tier 1, criminally bad deals. We have to get out of these to compete in free agency. Zach, wj. 

Tier 2, Stupid waste. You can get away with with a very small number of these but not many. Kramdi, holm, nichols, lawson, vaughters, joneses, schoen(for a guy who can’t stay healthy), mitchell, etc. 

tier 3, big over pays for guys who actually produce. demski, brady, big stan. 

Thing is, zach is the hardest guy to replace, and replacing the mid tier guys requires many replacements to save moderate amounts. 

The easiest place to save large amounts of money is demski and brady. 

Hopefully, Demski signs a more team friendly deal, and zach can be renegotiated to a more reasonable sum. 

Brady made 80-90k more than AJ, and double some of the other leading rushers. 

2 hours ago, Goalie said:

I feel they recognize or miller recognizes problems exist and I think miller O’Shea and Kyle will work hard this off season to show that yeah you know what, it is time for some changes. I don’t believe for a second that any of Wade Kyle or Osh are happy with how this season went and I’m sure will work hard to fix it. Sometimes complacency kicks in after a decade, sometimes you need the kick in the ass. I feel like this year is wade kicking Kyle and Osh in the ass a bit. You can’t get rid of all the vets but you can’t bring them all back either. And Zach is the biggest question. He’s our starter cuz he’s getting paid way 2 much to not start. Elgersma might be nice. Hopefully another Rourke. 

F*%# do I hope you end up being right. That’s basically our only hope. 

 

46 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:

Yea like at least you could have thrown in some subliminal messaging like Good evening Mr. O’Shea big fan of yours, (cut Jake Thomas and Kola immediately), great season just some hard luck (for the love of gawd take Hogan out back and take care of business), we all appreciate what you have done for this great organization, have a great season next year and many many more, enjoy your evening and enjoy the game tomorrow (if you don’t make these course corrections immediately I and my friends from MBB, led by @Booch, will round up a posse with pitchforks and torches and take you out to the ‘farm’).

Tell him you didn’t appreciate how jake and kola were defaming the CAF/veterans recently… lol