Elks at Bombers GDT

[blue85gold]

7 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

Lots to learn from that game.  Edmonton exposed our coverages by running switch routes where guys cross and go vertical to other side of field they started from.

Our HB's and Safety made really bad reads on what route they needed to prioritize on some of those plays and Edmonton hit/almost hit several big plays off those.  Nichols kind of got lost on the TD and jumped eligible OL...but really who cares about that guy at midfield, not a threat, while Bridges stayed with his guy across the field and the other wideout got passed off twice, third time (when he turned vertical) to no one because Nichols was out in the flat on a OL.  Then he was running by himself to the endzone with the ball.

You know it's a bad bust when a guy is running completely free on a play from the minus side of midfield because our coverages hugely prioritize sitting on vertical routes basically until they cross the 30.

But the games are so long, have 4-5 negative plays are going to happen.  You want to be able to get those back with turnovers and sacks.

Seeing that big bust live from up top in the stadium was something else. I don't think a receiver could ever be more open than that. He was 30 yards away from any DB.

[Booch]

24 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

Lots to learn from that game.  Edmonton exposed our coverages by running switch routes where guys cross and go vertical to other side of field they started from.

Our HB's and Safety made really bad reads on what route they needed to prioritize on some of those plays and Edmonton hit/almost hit several big plays off those.  Nichols kind of got lost on the TD and jumped eligible OL...but really who cares about that guy at midfield, not a threat, while Bridges stayed with his guy across the field and the other wideout got passed off twice, third time (when he turned vertical) to no one because Nichols was out in the flat on a OL.  Then he was running by himself to the endzone with the ball.

You know it's a bad bust when a guy is running completely free on a play from the minus side of midfield because our coverages hugely prioritize sitting on vertical routes basically until they cross the 30.

But the games are so long, have 4-5 negative plays are going to happen.  You want to be able to get those back with turnovers and sacks.

yeah that was an ugly one....not typical of us...3 guys basically had brain cramps on the same play

[rebusrankin]

KJG TD? Yep, play starts, you see that he's wide open and the ball is in the air and its like No!!!!

[17to85]

4 hours ago, GCn20 said:

I think Tony Jones and Zach Collaros just force fed some posters around here a big old helping of crow

Really? Cause collaros made some big throws against a porous Edmonton pass defense we're forgetting all the red flags we've seen for 2 years now. Guy had a very good game, no one is saying otherwise. Still got to keep doing that to justify his contract at this point.

[GCn20]

4 hours ago, Booch said:

I know the usual suspects are gonna lose their wad on this but Kramdi is in same boat as T.Jones...good in box...crashing down at line...run blitzes...but serious holes...lost in space....has a hard time running with receivers/backs and is not a good tackler/form tackler...he's a shin diver and doesn't wrap up......Is he good?...he's adequate and wont kill you...could we be better...most definitely...why dont we use the better player...(and I can think of 3 easily off top my head) no frickin clue...just an Osh preference and the Canadian aspect of it I sure makes him all giddy

I use to rag on Holm a lot but he has really upped part of his game to accommodate for some his weak points...And has done so as he was given the opportunity as a young player/rookie...hence it is so vital to give guys opportunities, as you dont know until you test them...and this day and age practices wont facilitate the opportunity

30 yr old T.Jones......he is what he is.....Jake...he is what he is...and not even close to what he was...which wasnt much and he aint gonna get better...Kramdi too...he's hit his ceiling, but is very valuabloe as a guy who can come in in a lot of situations and gives you great depth if injury....and the CDN part makes him even more valuable as a super sub

Kolo...holes all over his game...at his ceiling and zero upside there...

 

I agree on Jake and Kolo. Disagree on TJ and Kramdi. Also, at no point did Osh say he thought JJ was better than TJ. He said the armchair HCs think that.

[ShyGuy]

With Mitchell stuck on the 1 Game IR behind Sterns I wonder if the Elks get desperate at some point and try to get him back as someone with some more familiarity with Ford.

[HardCoreBlue]

7 minutes ago, ShyGuy said:

With Mitchell stuck on the 1 Game IR behind Sterns I wonder if the Elks get desperate at some point and try to get him back as someone with some more familiarity with Ford.

Give us Ceresna for him and they got themselves a deal!

[17to85]

12 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:

Give us Ceresna for him and they got themselves a deal!

Jesus ****... could you imagine our defense with a tackle like Ceresna? Holy smokes.

[Noeller]

I just wanted to pop in and say Collaros isn't "back"... He never went anywhere. He has ALWAYS been able to do what he did last night. The issue is that he's been doing it less and less frequently with each passing year. Starting in 2023 these types of games have been getting progressively less and less frequent. 

[Brandon]

1 hour ago, 17to85 said:

Really? Cause collaros made some big throws against a porous Edmonton pass defense we're forgetting all the red flags we've seen for 2 years now. Guy had a very good game, no one is saying otherwise. Still got to keep doing that to justify his contract at this point.

He tossed some 50 / 50 balls for which our receivers made the big play.  A couple of bad breaks and I think more people would be beaking about him losing it....

[bustamente]

I know it's not even 24 hours since the game ended but any word on Wheatfall. 

[Booch]

1 hour ago, 17to85 said:

Jesus ****... could you imagine our defense with a tackle like Ceresna? Holy smokes.

But we have Jake lol

[Noeller]

21 minutes ago, bustamente said:

I know it's not even 24 hours since the game ended but any word on Wheatfall. 

We won't know anything til first day of practice week....

[Booch]

22 minutes ago, bustamente said:

I know it's not even 24 hours since the game ended but any word on Wheatfall. 

Young black fella...tall...fast...hair cut that looks like a mushroom cloud of a nuclear blast...that's all I got for ya

[rebusrankin]

If Wheatfall can't go, I figure they'll go with Mitchell. Both play the X receiver. 

[Booch]

Speaking of Wheatfall..watch the first 2 defensive snaps by us after the kick off...watch the work of the dline and then look at the useless work of Thomas on snap 1...and Kornelson on snap 2...Thomas get no push..bullied...spun around...Kornelson meets his lineman..no push...gets pushed back.. and has no motor to get involved in play to try and assist in a sack....that's what we get with them...jackshit..and that's not just an isolated cherry pick...just a nice example of snap after snap for most part

[17to85]

1 hour ago, Booch said:

But we have Jake lol

"We've got Jake at home "

[JohnnyAbonny]

2 hours ago, Booch said:

Speaking of Wheatfall..watch the first 2 defensive snaps by us after the kick off...watch the work of the dline and then look at the useless work of Thomas on snap 1...and Kornelson on snap 2...Thomas get no push..bullied...spun around...Kornelson meets his lineman..no push...gets pushed back.. and has no motor to get involved in play to try and assist in a sack....that's what we get with them...jackshit..and that's not just an isolated cherry pick...just a nice example of snap after snap for most part

Imagine the interior with a Lawson/Woods/Adams rotation. They need a Canadian in the back 8 (Shay, Kelly or whoever) at some point, the 2 jobbers aren’t going to cut it at DT all year. 

[wbbfan]

1 minute ago, JohnnyAbonny said:

Imagine the interior with a Lawson/Woods/Adams rotation. They need a Canadian in the back 8 (Shay, Kelly or whoever) at some point, the 2 jobbers aren’t going to cut it at DT all year. 

The dream. I think lber is going to be the big future default Canadian spot on D. It’s all turning to pressure and or drop D. We will continue to see some ratio breaking ni pass rushers and dbs but I can see a lot of teams going to Canadians for run stoppers and shallow to moderate depth zones. 

[Mark H.]

1 hour ago, wbbfan said:

The dream. I think lber is going to be the big future default Canadian spot on D. It’s all turning to pressure and or drop D. We will continue to see some ratio breaking ni pass rushers and dbs but I can see a lot of teams going to Canadians for run stoppers and shallow to moderate depth zones. 

The grand days of Donovan Carter.