Blue Bombers - 2025 Regular Season - Discussion Thread

[Arnold_Palmer]

Toronto, Hamilton, Montreal, Calgary, Ottawa, and Saskatchewan all signing players in the last couple of days trying to get better, BC brought in a few new bodies last week as well. Winnipeg is all status quo! 3-7 in our last 10 games and hosting the grey cup and zero sense of urgency to try something different when things aren’t working. At this point we’re a threat to not even make the playoffs in any capacity. 

[17to85]

21 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

Walters did a terrible job this offseason and our depth is crap. You are out to lunch if you think anyone currently on our roster in a backup role or camp cut was a difference maker. It was a garbage year for recruitment and offseason signings and yea when that happens guys get pencilled in fast. Your shining examples above don't have anything notable behind them. Wilson is better than Woodby or Ayers, Tony Jones is better than J.Jones, Kolo sucks and so does Eli, Grousing about what we are starting without acknowledging there is crap behind them is a little misleading and it is absolute nonsense to think that any coach, MOS included, said we good don't sign any good players for camp competition. Just a historically bad take there. Every coach ever wants every position hotly contested in camp. Had we cut a bunch of talent you might have a point but we didn't.

So explain why guys who were in camp are doing better than  the departed Bridges.... that right there blows your entire argument out of the water.... cause those guys outperformed Bridges in camp too. 

You just refuse to admit that the coaches are fallible. It's OK. You know 2018ish I too was of the opinion that walters was more of an issue that Oshea, but Kyle Walters showed himself to be a proactive gm who could build a damn good roster whereas Oshea maintained his at times bonkers roster building and usage mindset. Given that we've also heard lots of rumors about walters leaving and Oshea being gm, is it a stretch to think oshea has a large say in players brought in these days? 

I dunno, I just know our roster usage is subpar and because of that issue it's really hard to judge what this team actually does have. 

[SpeedFlex27]

11 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

So explain why guys who were in camp are doing better than  the departed Bridges.... that right there blows your entire argument out of the water.... cause those guys outperformed Bridges in camp too. 

You just refuse to admit that the coaches are fallible. It's OK. You know 2018ish I too was of the opinion that walters was more of an issue that Oshea, but Kyle Walters showed himself to be a proactive gm who could build a damn good roster whereas Oshea maintained his at times bonkers roster building and usage mindset. Given that we've also heard lots of rumors about walters leaving and Oshea being gm, is it a stretch to think oshea has a large say in players brought in these days? 

I dunno, I just know our roster usage is subpar and because of that issue it's really hard to judge what this team actually does have. 

Osh as GM is a scary thought. What a disaster that would be. We'll be back in the dark 2013-15 era fast... dark times. But now that you said it, it is a considration I never thought would happen. Now, I can be prepared (shiver) if that happens. 

https://giphy.com/gifs/want-tjwzClJM6fyEw

 

Edited 5 hours ago by SpeedFlex27

[rebusrankin]

Adding some guys to our practice roster would be nice. Frustrating to see Walters sitting on his ass seemingly doing nothing.

[Tracker]

3 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

Adding some guys to our practice roster would be nice. Frustrating to see Walters sitting on his ass seemingly doing nothing.

There is absolutely no excuse for not trying to improve this lot. None.

[ShyGuy]

I'd be worried if you get rid of Walters and not O'Shea, the only people who would be interested in the GM position would mean that O'Shea should be the defacto GM (if he doesn't get named that anyways). It seems like a lot of times, a GM gets brought in and he will want to do his hiring, and if you don't also get a new Coach you end up with a weird lame-duck period waiting for the incumbent coach to get fired and replaced.

[17to85]

No GM worth a damn wants to be saddled with a head coach not of his choosing. 

[Tracker]

1 minute ago, ShyGuy said:

I'd be worried if you get rid of Walters and not O'Shea, the only people who would be interested in the GM position would mean that O'Shea should be the defacto GM (if he doesn't get named that anyways). It seems like a lot of times, a GM gets brought in and he will want to do his hiring, and if you don't also get a new Coach you end up with a weird lame-duck period waiting for the incumbent coach to get fired and replaced.

In my memory, and in all pro sports, it is extremely rare for a new GM to retain the existing HC. I cannot see that working for the Bombers, nor can I see O'Shea as GM- that would set the team back 15 years.

[bigg jay]

5 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

Adding some guys to our practice roster would be nice. Frustrating to see Walters sitting on his ass seemingly doing nothing.

Or even signing guys to future deals would be nice.  Ottawa, for example, signed a QB a couple weeks ago so they could kick tires a bit, saw something they liked so they signed him to a futures deal for next season.  They released him from the PR so now they can bring someone else in to take a look at - maybe for this year or maybe for next year.  Either way, they aren't standing pat.

[TBURGESS]

History says Coach goes before GM.

[Stickem]

1 hour ago, rebusrankin said:

Adding some guys to our practice roster would be nice. Frustrating to see Walters sitting on his ass seemingly doing nothing.

....yeah ...lot's of movement in the league....here, right now,  ....deadsville

[Booch]

2 hours ago, GCn20 said:

Fair enough. I just think that bringing back your marquee receiver when medically cleared is kind of a really odd thing to criticize.

Walters and our AGMs/scouts did a terrible job of evaluating FA talent for sure.

You always say this....but you dont know that..You just assume Osh is this god at talent evaluation...and he isnt.....and has shown that yr over yr....You say nobody is better, but thats just your opinion too....where's the proof?...cause Dear Leader who has failed us 3 straight yrs hasnt gave them a shot?...You quick to throw all the blame on Walter's yet continue to give Osh a pass....

And again...other than CIS scouting Walter's does zippo with boots on the ground...none....

And in your other post...saying the likes of Woods..Adams and even Pointer who we cut...wouldnt offer us more than Schmeck..Thomas...Korn....then I guess you are "out to lunch"...your words not mine

And T.Jones is better than J.Jones?...where's that proof?

Before J.Jones got hurt...and T.O flipped ratio he was damn good...actually run stopper...guy who could get home on blitz and get sacks...3 yrs younger....better ST player...faster....better pro day numbers

And if a coach realizes he's using sub par talent...yet refuses to ask for an influx....or try a PR guy or guy they hiding on the 1 game...how is that the fault of the G.M? 

We have a world of problems in several areas...dissconnect....a failing/failed process....stagnation....not the preferred destination anymore...likely from the latter....and the guy basically running the team and the day to day process, makes his roster...and is in charge of coaching....ain't gettin er done....and you have a hard time accepting it

I used to praise Osh...when it was warranted....it's not so much now...so praise he won't get now unless he does something to re-earn it

2 hours ago, Arnold_Palmer said:

Toronto, Hamilton, Montreal, Calgary, Ottawa, and Saskatchewan all signing players in the last couple of days trying to get better, BC brought in a few new bodies last week as well. Winnipeg is all status quo! 3-7 in our last 10 games and hosting the grey cup and zero sense of urgency to try something different when things aren’t working. At this point we’re a threat to not even make the playoffs in any capacity. 

so obviously the "coach" see's no need...nobody else can shoulder that....christ he wont even use the guys that been here all yr...some for 2....like he's gonna insert a totally new body

2 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Osh as GM is a scary thought. What a disaster that would be. We'll be back in the dark 2013-15 era fast... dark times. But now that you said it, it is a considration I never thought would happen. Now, I can be prepared (shiver) if that happens. 

https://giphy.com/gifs/want-tjwzClJM6fyEw

 

Osh as a G.M would be a colossal failure on soooo many levels

1 hour ago, ShyGuy said:

I'd be worried if you get rid of Walters and not O'Shea, the only people who would be interested in the GM position would mean that O'Shea should be the defacto GM (if he doesn't get named that anyways). It seems like a lot of times, a GM gets brought in and he will want to do his hiring, and if you don't also get a new Coach you end up with a weird lame-duck period waiting for the incumbent coach to get fired and replaced.

history shows...in all sports....a Coach will go before a G.M 9 times outta 10

Unless the G.M shows total incompetence on several levels....Walter's hasnt shown that at all

[Booch]

1 hour ago, 17to85 said:

No GM worth a damn wants to be saddled with a head coach not of his choosing. 

yup....That would just incur another brainwave decision to promote from within like the piss poor OC fiasco....

33 minutes ago, TBURGESS said:

History says Coach goes before GM.

way less upheaval to the organization....

[Tracker]

2 hours ago, TBURGESS said:

History says Coach goes before GM.

And so does logic.

[SpeedFlex27]

3 hours ago, rebusrankin said:

Adding some guys to our practice roster would be nice. Frustrating to see Walters sitting on his ass seemingly doing nothing.

Yep, just us, it seems. We've done nothing since last year's Grey Cup. 

[Bubba Zanetti]

Streveler taking 1st team reps. Rinse and repeat. Hope Vaval can take 2 kicks back to the house so we have a chance of winning. Johnny Furcoat aint getting it done.

[GCJenks]

35 minutes ago, Bubba Zanetti said:

Streveler taking 1st team reps. Rinse and repeat. Hope Vaval can take 2 kicks back to the house so we have a chance of winning. Johnny Furcoat aint getting it done.

I want the Bombers to win and scoring has to come from defense and specials for that to happen. Why else would I have Vaval as my LoW?

[17to85]

58 minutes ago, Bubba Zanetti said:

Streveler taking 1st team reps. Rinse and repeat. Hope Vaval can take 2 kicks back to the house so we have a chance of winning. Johnny Furcoat aint getting it done.

Collaros wasn't getting it done either despite hitting a few random deep shots here and there too.

[blue85gold]

6 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Collaros wasn't getting it done either despite hitting a few random deep shots here and there too.

With how crappy the O is, those random deep shots are needed.