It hurts to say because I'm a big fan of Matt, but Streveler is the guy I think right now. 

Just now, Nickthesizz said:

They've done that quite a bit this year as well.

No they really haven't. Streveler only really threw the ball during the Ottawa game when Nichols got hurt. He threw three times during the earlier TO game. That's pretty much it. 

He's come in during short yardage plays to get the first down but he runs straight off. Last year, they would hurry up the offence and he would play-action a few plays. 

If he stays in he basically runs then gets off. Last year they varied it up more. But that is lapo, find a neat trick and run it into the ground.

1 hour ago, WBBFanWest said:

In the past six games or so, who's been more boring to watch, Nichols or BLM and Collaros?

In the last three games?... that's a toss up.

Strev has really hardly had a chance to run the entire offence, let alone throw much..he's 9 of 13 for 82 yards..1 TD and 2 Picks..

33 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

If he stays in he basically runs then gets off. Last year they varied it up more. But that is lapo, find a neat trick and run it into the ground.

I mean that sounds like a good deal to me

18 minutes ago, Booch said:

Strev has really hardly had a chance to run the entire offence, let alone throw much..he's 9 of 13 for 82 yards..1 TD and 2 Picks..

Wasn't the one pick in the Ottawa game a tipped ball and the one in Toronto was an underthrow because he got hit as he released?

1 hour ago, Booch said:

Strev has really hardly had a chance to run the entire offence, let alone throw much..he's 9 of 13 for 82 yards..1 TD and 2 Picks..

And one has to wonder why given Nichols continued and extended struggle to find consistent play.  I'm kind of feeling that they obviously think Nichols is their best chance to win now if he's operating at his best.  We haven't seen his best in a long time.  Keeping him in there must be to protect his confidence because they know from experience he likely won't recover from getting the hook, even if it's for 3-4 series.

17 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

And one has to wonder why given Nichols continued and extended struggle to find consistent play.  I'm kind of feeling that they obviously think Nichols is their best chance to win now if he's operating at his best.  We haven't seen his best in a long time.  Keeping him in there must be to protect his confidence because they know from experience he likely won't recover from getting the hook, even if it's for 3-4 series.

Mos guys are very hard to unseat. We've seen a lot of guys who wouldn't start on other teams entrenched here for extended periods of time. 

Agree with the confidence. Once you up root a qb1 for qb2 it's tough for the best QBs to come back and get it going again.

First 5 games: 1150 yards passing (230 a game) 12 td passes, 1 interception, 9.1 yards per pass attempt

Last three games: 607 yards passing (202 a game) 2 td passes, 3 interceptions, 6 yards per pass attempt.

Injury? Game Plan? Better defences faced? Something changed.

4 hours ago, Brandon said:

I did not listen to Irving after the game,   did he have someone else with him like Doug Brown?  Usually Doug or back in the day Mitch would call it as it is while Irving would be neutral.

I don't blame Irving for not jumping on the bandwagon,   CJOB desperately needs the Bombers and it would be awkward if he shitted on the team and then have to deal with O'Shea afterwards.    I think Irving still has the bad memories of trying to run a show with an un-cooperative coach (Kelly).   I don't fault Irving for defending the team.   

Nichols falling two yards short of the first down,   I don't blame Matt at all.   The guy is fragile and I'd rather him take the quick slide then trying to muscle it in only to get hurt.   Streveler is a bull,  Nichols is a porcelain doll.   Made sense to me. 

Also Bull crap on Lapo not calling mid range plays.... watch the game receivers are running mid range routes... it's just that if the first read isn't open,  Nichols gets instantly scared and checks down or turtles up.  

When Streveler played last season he found guys mid range all day long.  His mechanics may be off and throws may have more risk but he was able to rifle it down 15 yards with no problems.    

Next week *should* be a free week for tinkering around and trying new things against BC.   Can't keep doing the same it isn't working. 

Wanna bet?

Nothing's gonna change unless we fire the coaches.

23 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Nothing's gonna change unless we fire the coaches.

In that case, Nichols would not be our starting QB. 

Just now, Mark H. said:

In that case, Nichols would not be our starting QB. 

That's right.

I have no problem letting Nichols start in spite of my lack of trust in him, but if he is not producing, then we damned well better have a plan B and then play him. Given that Nichols is probably going to get dinged up at some point this season, we need to find out if we have a viable alternative in Streveler  or even McGuire. If we don't, our scouting staff had better start beating the bushes.

I recall Lapo saying Nichols is one of the best QBs he's ever coached a couple weeks ago. Sounds like I know the person who needs to go.

1 hour ago, Nickthesizz said:

I recall Lapo saying Nichols is one of the best QBs he's ever coached a couple weeks ago. Sounds like I know the person who needs to go.

Or who needs his meds adjusted.

1 hour ago, Nickthesizz said:

I recall Lapo saying Nichols is one of the best QBs he's ever coached a couple weeks ago. Sounds like I know the person who needs to go.

Well...Khari, Durant....Nichols is probably top 3 for sure.  The rest are basically garbage and Buck Pierce held together by duct tape.

15 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

That's right.

What I meant was - the current coaching staff did make a QB change at one point. 

11 minutes ago, Mark H. said:

What I meant was - the current coaching staff did make a QB change at one point. 

A new regime would mean a change at qb as well. Bringing in someone else.

7 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

A new regime would mean a change at qb as well. Bringing in someone else.

With Nichols steamrollering the league? Never!

On 2019-08-09 at 6:00 PM, rebusrankin said:

First 5 games: 1150 yards passing (230 a game) 12 td passes, 1 interception, 9.1 yards per pass attempt

Last three games: 607 yards passing (202 a game) 2 td passes, 3 interceptions, 6 yards per pass attempt.

Injury? Game Plan? Better defences faced? Something changed.

Injuries

On 2019-08-09 at 12:23 PM, SpeedFlex27 said:

Here's the thing. It'll never happen.  You know it. I know it. We all know it. This coaching staff will not change out Nichols for Streveler

except that that's exactly what happened in 2016 when Nichols became QB1

O'Shea's patience seems long but not infinite.  Both Willy and Hajrullahu got ample opportunities to work out their issues but when they didn't, they were replaced suddenly and permanently. 

 

4 minutes ago, johnzo said:

except that that's exactly what happened in 2016 when Nichols became QB1

O'Shea's patience seems long but not infinite.  Both Willy and Hajrullahu got ample opportunities to work out their issues but when they didn't, they were replaced suddenly and permanently. 

 

That's a fair point but the team around Willy was significantly worse than the team around Nichols. Winning has a way of absolving poor play. Problem arises when it's not sustainable and the warning signs are ignored.

14 minutes ago, johnzo said:

except that that's exactly what happened in 2016 when Nichols became QB1

O'Shea's patience seems long but not infinite.  Both Willy and Hajrullahu got ample opportunities to work out their issues but when they didn't, they were replaced suddenly and permanently. 

 

But long after it was obvious that they were not the answers.

On the topic of the time when Nichols replaced Drew Willy, I was inspired to look back to 2016 to the period immediately after the QB change. The Bombers started 1-4 with Drew Willy and then went on a seven game winning streak when Nichols came in but that hardly tells the entire story. Can't help but wonder how different things would be today at the QB position had that seven game streak, which undoubtedly (and rightfully so) entrenched Nichols as the long term starter for this team gone a bit differently.

For one, Willy's numbers were surprisingly not that bad during the 1-4 start. Yes, I remember him being shellshocked and checking down a lot but doesn't that all sound familiar? It didn't help that of those four losses, two were against Calgary and one was against Edmonton. He still only turned the ball over four times in five games and was legitimately great in the win over Hamilton and the loss to Calgary. I agree that a change needed to be made and running Willy out of town was clearly not a mistake, but I guess the point of this all is that Nichols' play right now isn't really any worse than end stage Willy. It's the circumstances surrounding the rest of the team that are vastly different.

Nichols comes in that season and the Bombers immediately go on a seven game winning streak. However, the best team BY FAR they beat in that stretch was an Eskimos team that finished 10-8. The other wins were two against the one-win Riders, one against the 7-11 Als and two against the 5-13 Argos (who had Logan Kilgore and Dan Lefevour as their starting QB in those two games). Yes, none of those are automatic wins but talk about favourable circumstances! The even crazier thing is, there was a three game stretch where the Bomber defence forced a combined 16(!) turnovers. It's nearly impossible to lose when you force five turnovers in a game, regardless of what your offence does. Nichols' average stats in that seven game streak? About 260 yards passing and one touchdown per game. Granted he didn't have to do much and wasn't turning the ball over, but his numbers were actually worse than Willy's against significantly weaker competition. And yes, many people will say the numbers don't matter as long as the team is winning and they weren't wining with Willy and they were with Nichols. I just find the circumstances around the QB change and the corresponding records very interesting and can't help but figure that going into that extremely easy stretch of the 2016 season had Willy not been benched at that exact moment, the team probably has a similar record and then where would things be at today? Likely neither Willy or Nichols are the QB for this team. 

Edited August 11, 20196 yr by AKAChip