SPuDS Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 Why is there a Rider fan Hall Loyalist here attempting to sway favour for Hall? lol me thinks hes an agent provocateur and hoping to make sure Hall's here next season and beyond.. dirty pool old man. JCon, rebusrankin and Mark F 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCon Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, SPuDS said: Why is there a Rider fan Hall Loyalist here attempting to sway favour for Hall? lol me thinks hes an agent provocateur and hoping to make sure Hall's here next season and beyond.. dirty pool old man. He's probably "jealous" that we have Hurl too. We're on to him. rebusrankin, blue_gold_84, Mark F and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue_gold_84 Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 35 minutes ago, mfranc said: Really? O'Shea sets the roster. If O'Shea says they need to start a NI at linebacker what choices are Hall left with? And you don't think a DC gets a say in those roster decisions and who plays...? Give your head a shake. SPuDS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark H. Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 1 hour ago, mfranc said: Really? O'Shea sets the roster. If O'Shea says they need to start a NI at linebacker what choices are Hall left with? When Westerman was healthy, they had the ability to start 7 Nationals without a National at MLB - this was the case for most of the season. Heck, they found ways to start 4 Americans on the DL in recent weeks. Bigblue204, SPuDS, rebusrankin and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigseye Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 1 hour ago, mfranc said: Really? O'Shea sets the roster. If O'Shea says they need to start a NI at linebacker what choices are Hall left with? As mush as I detest agreeing with a rider fan, he is spot on here. Give Hall better players and things are different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearpants Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 40 minutes ago, Mark H. said: When Westerman was healthy, they had the ability to start 7 Nationals without a National at MLB (1) - this was the case for most of the season. Heck, they found ways to start 4 Americans on the DL in recent weeks.(2) (1) Having an Imp MLB would require putting 2 Canadians on the D-line at all times... our D-line was clearly most dominant with Nevis and Poop playing together... (2) They were able to start 4 Americans on the D-line b/c they were starting 5 Canadians on offense with Bond out (Neufeld, Goose, Chungh, Harris, Coates)... I really think we can look at starting 5 Canadians on offense next year... if Bond leaves we can start Neufeld, Coture or Gray (fingers crosed) at LG... if Bond is still around, I think we can start Adams, Dressler, new impact wr (not really holding my breath), Coates and JFG/Wolitarsky... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue_gold_84 Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 29 minutes ago, pigseye said: As mush as I detest agreeing with a rider fan, he is spot on here. Give Hall better players and things are different. He isn't spot on all at all. Hall had a boatload of talent with which to work, some upgrades were made, and the results remained the same as the previous two seasons. A DC who employed a risky system without making proper adjustments should receive ample blame for his errors. Bigblue204 and SPuDS 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPuDS Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 1 minute ago, blue_gold_84 said: He isn't spot on all at all. Hall had a boatload of talent with which to work, some upgrades were made, and the results remained the same as the previous two seasons. A DC who employed a risky system without making proper adjustments should receive ample blame for his errors. and I don't think O'shea is going to let him off the hook so easily. I know he is fond of his defenses and rightfully so, the amount of takeaways it generates is next level type stuff.. BUT its the other nuances of the defense that he doesn't like and rightfully so. Can Hall be retained and re-vamp the defense to not give up the massive amounts of yardage? I don't believe so.. it hasn't happened yet. I'd like to move on to another DC. IF we don't though, I hope that O'shea's stamp is on it next season because if he does retain him and we give up the same abysmal stats as we have been.... O'shea might be shown the door as well as Hall, which would be a shame imo. I still dont think we retain Hall though. so many season's of so many yards, points, explosion plays, etc etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBBFanWest Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 55 minutes ago, pigseye said: As mush as I detest agreeing with a rider fan, he is spot on here. Give Hall better players and things are different. Walters might disagree with you on that. blue_gold_84 and SPuDS 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardCoreBlue Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 1 hour ago, pigseye said: As mush as I detest agreeing with a rider fan, he is spot on here. Give Hall better players and things are different. What coach doesn't want this though? Of course they are always looking/wanting to upgrade their existing talent base. But this can't be the only reason (and sometimes it's not even a viable reason)a coach justifies the limitations of his area of responsibility. It's a shared responsibility, players, coaches, management, scouts etc. I'm wondering what Richie Hall would say about this year, other than him needing increased talent at key positions and key injuries hurting us on defense. What things could he have done better himself? Nothing? If I'm Micheal O'Shea, that's the question I'm asking my coordinators and myself. blue_gold_84 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 6 hours ago, mfranc said: Really? O'Shea sets the roster. If O'Shea says they need to start a NI at linebacker what choices are Hall left with? If Hall has no say in who he puts on the field, he has been emasculated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark H. Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 3 hours ago, bearpants said: (1) Having an Imp MLB would require putting 2 Canadians on the D-line at all times... our D-line was clearly most dominant with Nevis and Poop playing together... (2) They were able to start 4 Americans on the D-line b/c they were starting 5 Canadians on offense with Bond out (Neufeld, Goose, Chungh, Harris, Coates)... I really think we can look at starting 5 Canadians on offense next year... if Bond leaves we can start Neufeld, Coture or Gray (fingers crosed) at LG... if Bond is still around, I think we can start Adams, Dressler, new impact wr (not really holding my breath), Coates and JFG/Wolitarsky... All and/or any of the above is what I was referring to. Any of those scenarios have got to be better for the team than what we were seeing from the MLB position. I really hope we have Bond back next year, but if not, two Canadian receivers is still better than what transpired this past season. I also hope they're telling a guy like Trent Corney that a starting spot is available if he amps up his game. Tracker and rebusrankin 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark H. Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 4 hours ago, pigseye said: As mush as I detest agreeing with a rider fan, he is spot on here. Give Hall better players and things are different. A top notch DL, two DB's that for long stretches were hardly ever thrown at and an absolute stud at SAM. SPuDS and blue_gold_84 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue204 Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 4 minutes ago, Mark H. said: A top notch DL, two DB's that for long stretches were hardly ever thrown at and an absolute stud at SAM. Exactly, the players are there. There could always be upgrades, but it's not like he was working with a 2015 Rider defence. He had an all star at almost every position (before injuries started). Corner, HB, DL, Safety and LB (though not MLB or WIL) SPuDS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark H. Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 34 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said: Exactly, the players are there. There could always be upgrades, but it's not like he was working with a 2015 Rider defence. He had an all star at almost every position (before injuries started). Corner, HB, DL, Safety and LB (though not MLB or WIL) Honourable mention to Santos - Knox at WIL. Bigblue204, blue_gold_84, SPuDS and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPuDS Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 13 minutes ago, Mark H. said: Honourable mention to Santos - Knox at WIL. yea he came outta nowhere to absolutely OWN that WIL spot. If he isn't penciled in there for next season already.. something's wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eternal optimist Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 How has this morphed into another "Richie Hall must go thread"? Mark F and Goalie 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark H. Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 13 hours ago, Eternal optimist said: How has this morphed into another "Richie Hall must go thread"? It's as inevitable as **** flowing downhill - so just go with the flow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 Wondering if Trevor Harris will shake loose? Nichols Harris 1a/1b would be great... worth the $$ Bigblue204 and SPuDS 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue_gold_84 Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 49 minutes ago, Floyd said: Wondering if Trevor Harris will shake loose? Nichols Harris 1a/1b would be great... worth the $$ Why would the RedBlacks let their starting QB walk? Even if that were to happen, I can't imagine Harris would sign for backup money. Tracker, Bigblue204 and SPuDS 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueBlue83 Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 58 minutes ago, Floyd said: Wondering if Trevor Harris will shake loose? Nichols Harris 1a/1b would be great... worth the $$ I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that Collaros signs here? He is a good QB who was in a tough spot under Austin.... I think they are going to run with Massoli given the late season success, and possibility of Manziel signing there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue204 Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, trueBlue83 said: I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that Collaros signs here? He is a good QB who was in a tough spot under Austin.... I think they are going to run with Massoli given the late season success, and possibility of Manziel signing there. Can't see him choosing WPG when MTL and even BC/SSK have dicey QB situations at best. Tracker and blue_gold_84 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueBlue83 Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 I think BC will stick with what they have and give Jennings another year... he's got talent, and I don't see them giving up in that project so soon. I could see Montreal going after Franklin, if he hasn't already back door agreed with Jones to head to Regina. Collaros needs a good situation without all the pressure on him to rebuild his confidence. besides... the ALS have Drew Willy, and I think he's ready to finally break out!! Haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue204 Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 I just don't see him going from one of the highest paid players in the league. To back up money. WPG won't pay him. If he comes here it's for back up cash. He could even end up in TO. Decent situation there, and Ray has maybe 2 years left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnold_Palmer Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 I can definitely see Collaros back in Toronto. Floyd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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