Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 9 hours ago, kelownabomberfan said: Ben Carson says almost word for word something Obama said 15 months ago. Guess who was pilloried relentlessly for it and guess who had zero backlash? Hypocrisy to the extreme. I think it had to do with the fact Obama was being presidential and Carson was not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 (edited) 34 minutes ago, kelownabomberfan said: and that's saying something considering what a low bar the last administration set. I KNOW! Right, it's like the current administration saw that low hanging bar, took it, dug a hole to "chiNA" and buried it there. It is unbelievable how low and debase that bar is now. Thanks Trump! Edited March 8, 2017 by wanna-b-fanboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 The "yeah but" game still? If the best defense to the Trump admin is "yeah but", there is no defense at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnzo Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 6 hours ago, Mark F said: Meanwhile the work on the real agenda goes on unnoticed. What do you see as the real agenda? (honest question. there's so much going on right now. I have my own thoughts about the bedrock principles and goals of the Trump administration, but curious to hear if others are on the same wavelength.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnzo Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 (edited) Here's a thing that's not about Trump that may be pertinent to Manitobans who are in farming / agriculture. Nebraska and Minnesota and several other states are pushing "right to repair" laws that requires manufacturers to make repair documentation and tools available to their customers. This has been precipitated by John Deere, who purposefully design their equipment so that it can't be repaired in the field. In order to operate John Deere equipment, you are obligated to have it serviced by official John Deere people. This is super lucrative for John Deere, but is a giant pain in the ass for farmers who need to run their gear 24x7 during the busy times of year -- the time of year when everyone needs service and John Deere's service people are spread thin. Lobbyists for John Deere and tech companies like Apple have descended upon Nebraska to try and kill the law. Apple doesn't want people opening up their stuff either. This is the rare case where I'm rooting for Republicans -- the Nebraska government is Republican and is representing the interests of its constituency over the interests of big multinationals. If this happens in Nebraska and survives the inevitable flurry of lawsuits, the entire USA will become more free. So, yay Nebraska Republicans! more at https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/03/industry-and-apple-opposing-right-to-repair-laws/ Edited March 8, 2017 by johnzo Wanna-B-Fanboy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 On 3/6/2017 at 2:03 PM, Mark F said: While Trump puts on his stupid show, this is what's happening down there New York Times Quote WASHINGTON — Giants in telecommunications, like Verizon and AT&T, will not have to take “reasonable measures” to ensure that their customers’ Social Security numbers, web browsing history and other personal information are not stolen or accidentally released. Wall Street banks like Goldman Sachs and JPMorgan Chase will not be punished, at least for now, for not collecting extra money from customers to cover potential losses from certain kinds of high-risk trades that helped unleash the 2008 financial crisis. And Social Security Administration data will no longer be used to try to block individuals with disabling mental health issues from buying handguns, nor will hunters be banned from using lead-based bullets, which can accidentally poison wildlife, on 150 million acres of federal lands. These are just a few of the more than 90 regulations that federal agencies and the Republican-controlled Congress have delayed, suspended or reversed in the month and a half since President Trump took office, according to a tally by The New York Times. The emerging effort — dozens more rules could be eliminated in the coming weeks — is one of the most significant shifts in regulatory policy in recent decades. It is the leading edge of what Stephen K. Bannon, Mr. Trump’s chief strategist, described late last month as “the deconstruction of the administrative state.” ditching the clean water act, the EPA, NOAA, etc., dismantling the few unions they have left, (something like 8 % rate of unionization there. good god.) selling public lands, drilling mining in Parks, all that crap. Trump is acting crazy, but he and his cohorts have a radical agenda of destruction, and they are intent on carrying it out. People should look at what they're doing, not the sideshow. Law of the Jungle pending, for Joe Lunchbox. 1 hour ago, johnzo said: What do you see as the real agenda? (honest question. there's so much going on right now. I have my own thoughts about the bedrock principles and goals of the Trump administration, but curious to hear if others are on the same wavelength.) Mark F stated above- it's not a complete list, but it is the bread and butter of whats going on. johnzo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacquie Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, wanna-b-fanboy said: I think it had to do with the fact Obama was being presidential and Carson was not. Also the fact that Obama said they came against their will while Carson made it sound like they voluntarily came. Edited March 8, 2017 by Jacquie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark F Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, johnzo said: What do you see as the real agenda? (honest question. there's so much going on right now. I have my own thoughts about the bedrock principles and goals of the Trump administration, but curious to hear if others are on the same wavelength.) Dismantling regulations of all kinds. This has been stated by them a number of times. There's a large list. Environmental, financial, (Wall street) Medical, consumer protection, Women's rights, voting rights, it's their stated goal. Paul Ryan wants to dump Social security and any government funded medical care. He's a follower of Ayn Rand I think. A few examples here.... https://www.propublica.org/article/rules-frozen-by-trump-could-melt-away-without-a-trace and Quote Trump is also expected to issue other environmental executive orders as early as next week, including a reversal of the Obama administration's clean power plant rule and instructing the Interior Department's Bureau of Land Management to lift a ban on new coal mining leases on federal lands. Quote WASHINGTON - Planned Parenthood Federation of America today expressed grave concerns about President-elect Donald Trump’s plan to nominate extreme women’s health opponent Representative Tom Price (R-GA) to be Secretary of Health and Human Services. Statement from Cecile Richards, President, Planned Parenthood Federation of America: “Tom Price poses a grave threat to women’s health in this country. If Price had his way, millions of women could be cut off from Planned Parenthood’s preventive health services like birth control, cancer screenings and STD tests. From his plan to take no-copay birth control away from 55 million women and allow insurance companies to charge women more for the same health coverage, to his opposition to safe and legal abortion, Price could take women back decades. Quote President Trump signed documents Tuesday directing the Environmental Protection Agency and the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers to review the Obama administration's "Waters of the United States" rule. In doing so, Trump said he is "paving the way for the elimination" of the rule. Quote The Trump administration has imposed a freeze on grants and contracts by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, a move that could affect a significant part of the agency’s budget allocations and even threaten to disrupt core operations ranging from toxic cleanups to water quality testing, according to records and interviews. and re Telecommunications regulations: Quote "Harold Feld, senior VP of consumer advocacy group Public Knowledge, called this plan "a declaration of war on the most basic principles of universal service, consumer protection, competition, and public safety that have been the bipartisan core of the Communications Act for the last 80+ years." Quote Trump's telecom advisors have made it abundantly clear the incoming administration intends to gut net neutrality, roll back most consumer broadband protections, and defund and defang the FCC as a broadband consumer watchdog. While deregulation works in some sectors, history makes it abundantly clear that blindly deregulating the broken telecom market only makes the problem worse. Dodd Frank is the barely adequate Law passed after the financial meltdown Quote Dodd-Frank is squarely in President Trump's firing line. Trump slammed the Wall Street reform law as a "disaster" on Monday and vowed to "do a big number" on it soon. Dodd-Frank was enacted in 2010 as the Obama administration's response to the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression. Lots more, all the same as this. Basically a free for all, back to the 19th century. If any of it takes hold serious damage can be done to people and to the American's ability to compete economically. I don't think they have any idea what the implications of what they're doing are. Edited March 8, 2017 by Mark F edit Wanna-B-Fanboy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
do or die Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 From a historical perspective....just think "Robber Barons" Mark F 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnzo Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 I think there's been plenty of attention paid to the Ryan health care agenda these past couple weeks ... lots of protests, hassling lawmakers, news coverage, etc, but that's from within my Seattle bubble. The goal for the political folks in my circles is to not let the outrages pile up into fatigue. Fight where we can -- in Congress, against the AHCA and similar awful ****. In a lot of cases, there is a disconnect between the Republican agenda and the interests of their voters. That's a wedge that can be exploited. Trump's platform was essentially socialism for white people. Everyone gets coverage, everyone gets jobs, it'll be just like the fifties (absent the 90% federal tax rate on incomes over $1M, which no one seems to remember) Gotta stay hopeful, engaged, and win in 2018. Mark F 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearpants Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 On 3/7/2017 at 8:29 PM, do or die said: Mitch McConnell, Senate Majority Leader and Devin Nunes, Chairman of the House intelligence committee said they hadn’t seen evidence to support baseless allegations that Barack Obama wiretapped Trump during the election. If Mitch McConnell is defending Obama... there's problems in the GOP! On 3/8/2017 at 0:22 AM, kelownabomberfan said: Ben Carson says almost word for word something Obama said 15 months ago. Guess who was pilloried relentlessly for it and guess who had zero backlash? Hypocrisy to the extreme. "word for word" is a bit of a stretch.... but in all honesty... I don't really have a problem with what Ben Carson said (I only heard the quote out of context so I can't really comment on his intentions but it sounded like he was defending immigration)... you are correct that the media overreacted on this one... kelownabomberfan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
do or die Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 SHOCKER! Mitch McConnell confirms what was obvious from the get-go........American taxpayers on the hook for costs on The Wall. http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/09/politics/mitch-mcconnell-mexico-border-wall/index.html Mexicans not paying up. Bad hombres.....bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnzo Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 I have heard speculation that a special tax on foreign remittance would be a funding mechanism for the trump wall. Foreign workers sent about $25B from the USA to Mexico in 2015. It was Mexico's largest source of foreign income, beating oil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelownabomberfan Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 On 3/8/2017 at 7:57 AM, wanna-b-fanboy said: I think it had to do with the fact Obama was being presidential and Carson was not. Quote The first rule of partisanship, though, is “never back down” so expect some top-notch hair-splitting from across the aisle tomorrow explaining how Carson and Obama were saying totally different things and Obama’s version was, of course, comparatively both noble and profound. http://hotair.com/archives/2017/03/07/compare-and-contrast-ben-carson-and-obama-on-slaves-as-immigrants/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 7 minutes ago, kelownabomberfan said: http://hotair.com/archives/2017/03/07/compare-and-contrast-ben-carson-and-obama-on-slaves-as-immigrants/ Quick look at link provided... Hot air indeed... Yeah they said the same thing, just in a different order... with different words... being more presidential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark H. Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 5 hours ago, bearpants said: If Mitch McConnell is defending Obama... there's problems in the GOP! "word for word" is a bit of a stretch.... but in all honesty... I don't really have a problem with what Ben Carson said (I only heard the quote out of context so I can't really comment on his intentions but it sounded like he was defending immigration)... you are correct that the media overreacted on this one... Plenty of immigrants who came weren't much better off than the African slaves - coffin ships anyone? Many Irish immigrants came as indentured servants. While that's a far cry from being a slave for life, it's still a pretty crappy hand to get dealt. The gap between people who came as slaves and people who came as immigrants is not that far apart in many cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacquie Posted March 11, 2017 Report Share Posted March 11, 2017 Mark F 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
do or die Posted March 11, 2017 Report Share Posted March 11, 2017 12 minutes ago, Jacquie said: Will need to change his name to Clay, or something..... Wanna-B-Fanboy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark F Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 Legislation pending in usa which would allow employers to demand genetic testing of job applicants. the march to corporate/state merger, ie....fascism gathers speed. it's no longer even vaguely amusing. Wanna-B-Fanboy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedFlex27 Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 Now they're detaining US citizens born in the US asking their religion? WTF is happening down there & the sad part is the white Trump base loves it. So, it continues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 9 hours ago, Mark F said: Legislation pending in usa which would allow employers to demand genetic testing of job applicants. the march to corporate/state merger, ie....fascism gathers speed. it's no longer even vaguely amusing. ******* Frightening... link please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 9 hours ago, Mark F said: Legislation pending in usa which would allow employers to demand genetic testing of job applicants. the march to corporate/state merger, ie....fascism gathers speed. it's no longer even vaguely amusing. ******* Frightening... link please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacquie Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 10 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said: ******* Frightening... link please. Mark F 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 Just now, Jacquie said: Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark F Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 thanks J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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