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What? What a bass-ackward statement to make.
That offence did.......nothing.

I would disagree that the Bombers talent level is bad at RB, WR or DL.  These 3 categories are not even on the radar as being problem areas with this team.  #1 problem coaching.  #2 problem QB.

I think its both. 
 
The roster is bad. Really, really bad. I don't think a really good offense is even a possibility until we have a decent OL and QB. It will help to have Nichols there but its not like he's great either. Regardless, asking someone to build an offense with Brohm or Marve is equivalent to handing someone keys to a car with a dead battery. We're struggling to find Americans at positions that shouldn't be hard to find good ones - RB, WR, DL to some extent. Kudos to Walters for finding Bass and Adams, but we need more than just a couple of additions a year to turn this team around. For all the praise that Walters gets as some Canadian scouting guru, there are still problems. How bad is Goossen that he can't earn work over Dom Picard? Addison Richards is halfway to a redshirt season. Walters has had some good ideas and even perhaps a good overall plan, but its not coming together. I think AKAChip did a great job elaborating on Walters' problems last week.
 
The roster is bad but the team is also being hampered by poor decisions, and that's on O'Shea. The only roster changes we seem to make are just due to injury. Hat tip to AKAChip for this line, but when was the last time a player lost his job for poor play? No one is being held accountable. He is loyal, but I fear that he thinks loyalty will somehow improve a player. That over time it'll just all come together. I'm all for patient, but making changes halfway through a season no longer counts as overreacting. Change your roster or expect the same result.
 
Also, its never a good sign when the part of the team your coach is most experienced with (special teams) absolutely blows. 

CapGeek is garbage.

Promote Bellfeuille to Head Coach? It boggles the mind to think that anyone would think to reward incompetence.

Have to agree with the poster who suggested that there would be a riot (or simply a bleakness that overcomes the fan base) if MB was to be promoted to HC. It will never happen.
I like and respect O'Shea. I believe players respond to him. That said, his downfall will be in hiring a weak staff. They corrected the problem on the defensive side of the ball this year in hiring Hall. That unit has gotten steadily better but you can see the frustration growing there. Yet, the O goes two and out after two and out with seemingly little accountability .. that's tough to swallow and I don't think O'Shea will get to correct that mistake.
I have a lot of thoughts about the org as a whole but am just on my phone right now .. maybe if I actually care enough when I get to a computer. I'll put them down.

MB as interim coach is the worst thing they can do really. Fans would truly give up then. Those who are left at least.

We yelled at wade miller in his suite

Yes, Bellefeuille is terrible, but even worse than him is Brohm.
 
I don't just declare players crap at the drop of a hat, but Brohm has been god awful his entire pro career and I still gave him a shot.  Fact is, when he got time last season he sucked. There was no excuse of "he didn't know the playbook" or anything like that, he was here even before Willy and when he got in he showed nothing.
 
I'll give players the benefit of the doubt, probably too much, but after nothing but pick 6's and showing zero arm strength in several opportunities when do you draw the line? People bashed Dinwiddie for having a noodle arm.. Dinwiddie was Michael Bishop compared to Brohm.
 
Bellefeuille is bad, but no one's holding a gun to the QB's head to throw that 3 yard check down. It was still him calling the plays when Willy was under center and if you'll recall, Willy would throw long passes fairly often. Brohm goes to the check down 95% of the time, unless he's feeling adventurous and throws to a receiver beyond 10 yards!

Said this last year, when we still had a winning record... this year, we don't.
 
Team is flailing, D and O are about to split in the locker room
 
ST still has same problems - Pat Tracey not cutting it, our ST 'captain' Pontbriand stills takes penalties
Everyone trying to make the play on their own... this falls on Tracey
 
Brohm - this falls on Walters, other teams have found good depth - Walters and crew are still 'test driving' QBs...  Davis is not the answer, Russell wasn't, we traded for Portis...  Nichols?  I had success on TSN Fantasy because I picked Ds playing against Nichols early this season...
 
Defence - decent, but teams know that they will tire and then just let the OL/RB take over in the fourth
 
Hurl - I haven't seen the progress, still over-commits, still misses reads...
 
we give Simmons one play and he makes an impact - so instead we start Shell when Randle goes down
 
Penalties - this is coaching, its basically the main thing coaches can control
 
Bellefuile - nothing left to say...  Chap has a young gunslinger with Smith and changed his gameplay... MB has the same and decides to make Marve into a pocket passer.  Nuff said.
 
Oshea - I desperately want to cheer for him.  But that last timeout was embarrassing.  Get in the fkn game.  Dyce has ten times more poise in his first game.
 
Luckily, this is probably the last game I can watch live for the season... can guarantee that I won't spend three hours on youtube for any of the rest, maybe skim through a few but I doubt it
 
Garbage.  On par with Burke, Kelly and Daley... just garbage.
 
This team is in free fall.  We might win one more game.

Out of all of our media, Doug Brown is the only guy that actually asks hard-hitting questions...  Osh getting pissed when he asked about off-field consequences for penalties
 
Irving cuts him off to come to Oshea's aid.
 
Osh clinging to 'sticking together' line...

Brohms average pass was 5 yards. He ran directly into sacks. Under threw players by routine. Was slow to make decisions. This is why we had a whopping 10 points going into the final parts of the game before garbage time. And if not for the gifted turn over we woudlnt even would have had that touchdown.
 
Brohm was no btter than Marve. Period.

Well when we recovered that weird out of bounds by Demski, Brohm did nothing when he had to score.That I put on him.Gotta put it in.

What did Brohm do out there? Dinking 3 yard passes? hey great job.

And we have an average QB now in Matt Nichols.  I'm pretty excited for the second half of the season now, especially with the D and special teams starting to come around and look strong. 

Never done that Bomber mid season before
 
I have been angry mid-season but never disinterested or bored

Agreed not much glory but his play has dropped off from the past 2 years, and Turner's play is even worse 3 tackles and 1 sack isn't very impressive....

I expect push up the middle from a defensive tackle , disrupt the play ,shed block , make a tackle once in a while, keep OL off the LB.  He's just not doing that this year.

We get Chris Kelly and an undersized Russian for Buff...  okey dokey
 
This article makes no sense...  if Philly and NJ are among the rumours why instantly write them off in the article?  And Boston is not in cap jail??

I think it's worth mentioning that when talking about qbs, when Mack first got here he signed Pierce and Jyles as qbs, they were the top 2 free agent guys and signing Pierce is easily comparable to signing Willy. Team looked OK when the guy was healthy but after that it was lacking. 
 
I'll say this though, I didn't like either of the picks Mack made at head coach and I quite like the choice of Mike O'Shea that Walters made. 
 
Basically it works out like this: Walters has done some good things but he hasn't done enough of them. Mack did some good things but again he didn't do enough of them. 

This is likely going to be a long post but I've been thinking about doing this for a long time. I will preface this by saying I have never been a fan of Walter's work. I think because public sentiment had soured on Mack to the degree that anyone would have been seen as a massive improvement. I will also admit that I have always had a soft spot for Joe Mack and thought while he failed in getting us a QB, his team did bring us to a Grey Cup with Buck freaking Pierce at the helm. I will divide this into three sections; import recruiting, free agency and drafting. I recognize that some of the failures of Walters are also failures of McManus and Goveia so consider the import recruiting section to be a criticism of all three.
 
Import Recruiting:
 
Walters was hired in August of 2013 as the interim GM to replace the fired Joe Mack. That offseason, the search was on for a permanent GM that included Walters, Duane Forde for some reason and Tom Higgins. I am confident that none of those three headliners would have been good options but that's a story for another time. So if we take into account that Walters has been in charge for more than two calendar years, the following are the players he has brought in with no previous CFL experience that are currently making an impact on the team: Justin Veltung, Jace Daniels, Khalil Bass, Johnny Adams, Bruce Johnson, Moe Leggett & Cam Marshall. I will admit there are some good players on that list but considering that he has had two full training camps and offseasons to build the talent on the roster and to only have 7 of your own recruits become regular CFL players? Joe Mack, fired over two years ago, still has Washington, Turner, Anderson and Denmark on the roster of CFL rookies he brought in himself. Considering the lifecycle of professional football players to have only a 7-4 advantage in import recruits at this stage is pretty terrible. Let's also not forget, arguably our best defender last year was Ian Wild, another Mack guy.
 
To move onto the QBs for a moment, this was something I will agree that Mack had limited to no success with. However, while I will get to Willy in a moment, Walters has failed equally if not more in bringing in his own QB prospects. Say what you will about Brink, Elliott and Goltz but are any of them worse than Brohm, Marve or Portis? Having a marquee starting QB doesn't mean you can fail at finding a developmental or adequate backup QB. We are fully aware at this point what that failure leads to. Franklin, Cato, Collaros even Brett Smith are first year CFL quarterbacks who have at the very least shown they can move the ball. The bomber are stuck with Brohm, a 30 year old journeyman who has yet to show he can even make a 5 yard completion consistently and Robert Marve, a scrambler with no accuracy to speak of.
 
Running back has been a position that in the past has been a boon for the Bombers. Even going back 15 years, Roberts to Reid to Garrett to Simpson. I'm not saying Marshall and Cotton aren't good players as they are fine and injuries have certainly hampered our ability to fully evaluate Cotton but here's another issue. Walters didn't even find Cotton! He was originally cut in Hamilton's TC and then brought here. Not to say you can't find good players that way as Vega was brought in by Mack in a similar manner but it just continues to contribute to the idea that Walters struggles to bring in his own recruited talent. RB isn't even a sore spot for this team without decimating injuries but bringing in Chevon Walker tells me all I need to know about Walters' confidence in his ability. 
 
One of the two biggest sore spots for me when it comes to Walters is Receiver. Yes, Veltung looks like a solid enough prospect but to have only one Import recruit to speak of after two years of trying is a complete and utter embarrassment. Toronto brought in three contributing rookies this year. Hamilton has brought in Underwood and Tolliver. Calgary brought in Rogers last year. The list goes on and on and on. Denmark, Moore and Adams are fine players but none are the best at their position to the point where competition should not be pushing them. Jhomo Gordon was the best of what we brought in in the offseason according to the coaching staff this year and he's been a mess in three games played. The fact that last year we not only brought in Romby Bryant (a complete joke and truthfully the biggest red flag last year of Walters' incompetence) but also started him for over half the year is something that would not go over on any other team in the league save for Taman's Riders. Also keep in mind that no one could displace Aaron Kelly from Walters' recruits either. Joe Mack brought in Matthews, Denmark, Wallace Miles, Greg Carr and TJH. All players that made an impact at the CFL level and shames the talent that Walters has brought in.
 
I'll lastly look at the defensive line. Up until this year, Turner and Anderson were guys that we really had no reason to replace but that's also another check by Joe Mack's name as they were his recruits. Meanwhile, while Nate Collins looks like a player, the rest of the linemen he has brought in have been a who's who of nobodies. The fact that no one has displaced Greg Peach in two years and the guy who has shown the most of the other imports, Thad Gibson, was not even a Walters find! Fraser, Willie Mosely, Marvin Booker, Tre Harlan and so on have all failed to make an impact while guys like Alex Bazzie, Gabe Knapton, Willie Jefferson, Tristan Okpalaugo, and Bryan Hall have all come into the league over the past couple seasons and have been great for their teams.
 
Free Agency:
 
Over two offseasons and seasons, the Bombers have brought in the following players; Graig Newman, Nick Moore, Darvin Adams, Stanley Bryant, Ivan Brown, Sam Hurl, Romby Bryant, EJ Kuale, Greg Peach, Aaron Kelly and Dom Picard. I will be generous by saying 5 of those players are hits (including Hurl) while admitting that Ivan Brown is who he is and his was hardly a make or break signing. That being said, Moore and Bryant are the best of the Import lot there are Bryant has not had a great season by any stretch and Moore has been solid, if unspectacular and frequently injured. I'll admit I was never a Moore fan and thought we paid too much for him, but that's the price of not bringing in Import receiver talent I guess. On the other hand, Mack was universally panned for standing pat during free agency and preferring to build with his own guys. Sometimes that worked, sometimes it didn't but looking at that list of players brought in via free agency by Walters, would any of you say that had they all not been signed we would be missing out? Truthfully, I didn't have a category to put Westerman and Hajrullahu in they were of course likely Walters' two shining moments as GM of this team but again, this was a case of signing a kicker off the street and giving him a chance when pretty much every other team was set at kicker and throwing money and a starting spot at Westerman. He deserves credit for landing them both but it doesn't change much. Let's also remember that Walters traded for a 35 year old Korey Banks as an attempt to solidfy the linebacking corps. I will also put the trade for Randle down here and again, another solid move by Walters that I really can't criticize in any manner. Randle, Westerman and Hajrullahu are three difference makers on the roster and all three are Walters' moves. Good for him.
 
This brings us to the situation of Drew Willy. Last offseason, the QBs available were Willy, Collaros and Burris as everyone remembers. Ottawa had the freshly drafted Glenn as their QB but badly wanted Burris for some insane reason once he became available. Collaros was always seen as the best QB on the market followed by Willy. Despite Collaros' success in Hamilton, I am still happy and content with Willy as our man. The problem is, there was almost no way that the Bombers were going to end up without one of the two. Burris was going to Ottawa and the scary part was, the Bombers were making a push for him! Can't imagine Joe Mack ever doing that. In the end, Walters made the trade with the Riders for Willy's rights that Mack didn't make with BC for Mike Reilly's. I'd argue that the price Taman wanted for Willy (Etienne) was pittance compared to Wally's price for Reilly (A first rounder without the right to speak to Reilly beforehand iirc). I obviously can't prove this but put Mack in the GM chair last offseason and you likely get the same result. Collaros to Hamilton, Burris to Ottawa and Willy to Winnipeg. Other than Montreal, who was more than happy to enter the season with Troy Smith, no other team needed a QB. Collaros and Willy were both going to hit the market no matter what and Ottawa wanted a veteran QB to lead them through their first season. I guess Walters should get credit for getting the job done, but I find it difficult to give him a ton of credit. Especially considering Collaros at this point is clearly the superior QB anyway.
 
The Draft:
 
This is where I think Walters actually deserves the most criticism. Mostly because he was never touted as a great American scout with a ton of connections down south, but rather a cerebral CIS guy who could be trusted at draft time. Before we get to Walters' drafts as GM, I want to go back to the 2013 draft, Mack's last as GM of the Bombers. The story was that when Mack was going to pick Mulumba, Walters was convinced Edem was the better pick. After Mulumba stuck in the NFL and Edem had a decent to good rookie year with the Als, everyone was lauding Walters' genius. In the years since, Edem has lost his job to Marco Brouillette and has failed to come close to his rookie season's productivity. Mulumba is still in the NFL but this has been touched on before, I still would rather have a guy like him in the pipeline that Edem who at this point it's known what he brings and it's special teams work for the last few years.
 
The 2014 draft was a weak one and I love the Derek Jones pick while Briggs looks solid enough. Goossen was picking based on need which I hate, but we can't close the door on him yet and save for Pruneau, no one selected after pick two is anyone I feel we really missed out on. I have no negative things to say about this draft so good job Walters.
 
2015 is where things went off the rails. I love the Chungh pick but people loved the Muamba pick too. It was a need and we picked the best player available. That's what a GM should do. The next rounds were colossal let downs and as bad as anything Mack ever did (Robertson in the 2nd round was just as bad). Richards and Morgan may turn out to be good players but passing on Durant, SML, Waud, Shortill or even Brett Boyko will be mistakes that we will feel for years to come.
 
Conclusion:
 
Since he was hired in August 2013, the Bombers are 12-27. This is not all on Kyle Walters but despite some great moves (Westerman, Randle, Chungh, Hajrullahu) the bad ones and the REALLY bad ones greatly outweigh those positives. I know most of you probably know or remember all this stuff but now with Taman out of the picture in Regina, Walters is the clear bottom of the CFL GM barrel.

Things I am tired of:

(1) O'Shea: 'We'll have to look at the film". 
Bullsh&*t! If  I can see what the problem is 8 rows up on the 50, you surely can with all the reports your getting from the spotter booth. Take some responsibility you lame ass. That excuse is unacceptable.
 
(2) The amount of "Coaching" being done along teh sidelines between offence/defense rotation. The discussions are endless. Its like a Pop Warner game. You are supposed to be professionals. You had 2 weeks ( including a by-week) to prepare for this team. The discussion should be " They are doing "this". We counter with "that", the way we prepared.....NOT "tell me what they are doing out there and let me show you how you deal with that". Sheer incompetence.  Note to Teague Sherman...STFU and play football instead of yapping all the time on the sidlines.
 
(3) Stupid Undisciplined Special teams Penalties
Hey special teams doofus! You are BARELY on this team. You are a special teams player. You are are looking to improve your standing with the team. You are on the field ONLY for special teams. WTF are you doing taking a dumb penalty...roughing, illegal block, too many men, procedure ..etc?  Get your head out of your ass.
 
(4) High Fives for (3)
Don't you just love it when a player makes a bonehead play and the rest of the team comes over for a "don't worry/sympathy" high five/slap.
NO...You DON'T.   You DON'T "reward" a player for screwing up.
What we need is a coach or leader like Chris Walby grabbing the guy's grill, getting in their face and saying "That is BS. Get your act together and do something to HELP the team. Focus and do your job".
If I were coach...ther would be NO HIGH FIVING/FIST bumping unless it was for a GREAT play.  Punt out at the one yd line! Sure!   Long FG!?  Great!. Pick? Outstanding!!     Great catch/run/sack? fantastic!....High Five for sure!!!
................Taking a stupid penatly? Missing a tackle? Watching someone beat you long? ...uh NO. You don't get a "sympathy  high five" for that from your team mate..  That's BS. I don't care if you think its moral support. It doesn't reinforce the right message. NON PERFORMANCE IS NOT REWARDED.
Fine em if necessary. Its about mental toughness and self evaluation. I'm sick and tired of the validation of mediocrity on this team.
 
(4) Backups/Injured Reserve on the Sidelines. 
i counted 26 individuals in "civies" on the sidelines. Many of them were clowining around/smiling during the game....regardless of the score. ( When he played for us, Kevin Glenn was famous for this after getting pulled.)  Are you kidding me?
You are down 20 points in front of your home crowd.  Your offence sucks.   Your team is doing NOTHING. There's nothing funny about that.  Pretend that you give sh%t and have a modicum of respect for the fans that pay to see this abysmal effort.
 
So tired of the steaming pile of feces that we are forced to watch every game. 
Shame on you.  Bomber fans deserve better.

Upgrade the other positions. Find other QBs that aren't CFL vets that can play. People were tired of Mack not making big splashes in free agency and not being able to find a QB. He got Willy in an offseason where it would have been nearly impossible to end up without either Collaros or Willy and has made some "splashes" in free agency. Some hits and some misses. The US scouting has been atrocious since he took over. At an embarrassing level. The drafting truthfully has not been much better than the previous regime. I'll have to look into it but I feel like Mr. CIS Walters has been at the bottom of the league in terms of talent drafted.

Calgarians will actually go out of their way to pay more for stuff.
 
"Hey Bob I got this new TV for 499!!"
 
"Oh Bill you're so quaint.  I found the same TV for 599.  Do you want to see my last pay stub?"

You've done about 30 mock lineups. One of them is bound to be right.