GCn20
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1 hour ago, rebusrankin said: CFL needs to drop the salary provisions on deals for Nationals and increase the operations cap.
Totally agree. I don't understand why the hell they even capped it. Cap year one if you must, then allow teams to renegotiate the contract if they so choose.
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42 minutes ago, wbbfan said: Do not like how he lumped Corcoran in with Clericius. Clercius is a wr with tremendous raw tools who has caught everything thrown his way. Corcoran is like Wade Miller on a low-battery mobility scooter.
For some reason or other Kyle seems very high on Corcoran. Just wish I knew why.
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4 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said: He should have a chat with Nathan Rourke, looks like they're following a similar path with NR further ahead on it.
I don't blame Elgersma one bit. The insane NAT draftee 3 year entry level deal is a joke.
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1 hour ago, SpeedFlex27 said: Which is why THERE ARE TIMES (not always) when I wish the ratio would be gone so guys like Stanley Bryant can be at the top of the pay scale. I've seen enough shitty Canadian OL who'll never, ever be close to even thinking about being great except in their own minds... get totally overpaid. Think of the pylons we had playing for us on the OL in the early 2010's. We tried to build an All Canadian OL & after 3 years Walters & Osh were no closer to fininshing what they started.
With the NFL now grabbing and sitting on a ton of NAT OL due to expanded PR sizes and eligibility, we just don't have the luxury of an all NAT OL in this league anymore. We lose the top of our draft every year to them and it takes years, in many cases, for these guys to shake loose now. Double that up with the insane 3 year entry level pay rates for draftees and you get every NAT OL who even gets a whiff of the NFL, even though they are just signed to futures contracts which translates almost to guaranteed to get cut, going and playing long odds to sit on an NFL PR. The CFL needs to drop the salary provisions on the entry level deal. We are delaying getting our draftees here because they are willing to roll the dice rather than play for peanuts.
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13 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said: I'd think that Canadians at Guard would be paid more than an American at LT. Stanley Bryant has never made $300000 a year like Woodmansey in Edmonton & he is the greatest LT the CFL has ever seen.
And, where did he end up? Guard.
NAT OL, or any other starting NAT, is going to make more than most IMPs at the same or similar position.
I liked Walters presser. I like how he confirmed that we will be seeing a lot of 30 front this year and that was one of the reasons he went hard after Ceresna. It seemed like this was the probability when we signed Ceresna and then JSK afterwards. I know a lot of us here don't care for 30 front, but if you got the right pieces it can be a very good defence against the passing game. Last year we just didn't have the horses. With Ceresna here, and more Lawson, we should be able to execute it at a much higher level. I think this would give Jaworski a big edge in camp for the other DE spot as well.
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3 hours ago, Booch said: z
Elgersma will be here when he gets here. Not worried about that at all. He's got an agent blowing sunshine up his arse right now, so let's dial it back a bit about how he will never play here. Reality will set in, and he will come.
11 hours ago, Pete said: Sounds like we are planning on going with 3 national receivers, if they aren't happy with Clercius I'm not sure how that will work, but the benefit of giving Zac better protection with 3 imports is definitely necessary
We can go 3 NAT receivers but there is no requirement to do so if we go 3 IMP OL. We can make ratio in other places or even use the naturalized IMP rule.
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35 minutes ago, rebusrankin said: Mauldin signed in the UFL, I believe.
Another Canadian WR like Gittens Jr would be a nice add.
UFL contracts mean nothing. They are optional by the player. According to 3DN he's waiting for the CFL phone to ring.
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31 minutes ago, wbbfan said: Neuf was also originally a T.
If any thing playing T after a career at G is going to be harder, especially when mobility has been such an issue for neuf the past few years.
Usports kids didn’t get shots at many positions, until they started to. Now some positions are normalized that used to be ratio breakers
No way Paddy could play OT for anything more than an emergency now. He bulked up to play in the interior, then he bulked up some more when he discovered Tim Horton's lol.
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19 hours ago, wbbfan said: 100% worth a shot. Even if we are going to 3 ni wrs, still an excellent guy to bring into camp. Now that we have the majority of the holes filled in the roster its time to add in camp gambles like that.
If we wanna roll the dice, Mauldin is still out there. Looked like crap in Calgary, and either isn't getting much interest or is overvaluing himself, but if he is willing to take a prove it contract with little up front I would bring him to camp.
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20 hours ago, wbbfan said: If he improves a bit he could be a 1000 yard guy, but its hard to imagine him doing that on a good team/passing offence imo.
He gets pushed off his routes quite a bit, if he can make some hay winning more within the first 5 yards of scrimmage he could be a 1000 guy.
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11 minutes ago, bigg jay said: Yep, not all of the DT's on our Neg List are recent adds either - a couple of them have been there for months so it's more of an indication of what they are targeting rather than a clue that they'll sign soon.
Neg List moves are all over the map too - some guys sit on there for years & some only for a few days. Some get signed while others get dropped. Some even get dropped and then are re-added later on - recent signee Khris Bogle is a good example of that. He was added 2 months go, dropped after a month only to be re-added a few days later before he was signed (Calgary also had him on their list at one point).
Might sit there for years for sure. However, adding a few NTs to the neg list shows that is what recruitment is looking for. This is a recent development. Prior to the end of last season we never really had any true NT candidates on our NL. Like any other NL, or any recruit for that matter, finding them and getting them to sign are two different beasts. Phase 1 of trying to sign them is adding them to the neg list once you have identified a player you want to sign/watch their development more closely. If we weren't actively looking for a true NT we wouldn't be scouting them.
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1 minute ago, wbbfan said: It is, but the thing about the NL is those guys could sit for 2-3 years or be removed in 2 weeks without an offer.
It'll come down to what kind of ends we sign and if/when/how many Nts/Dts we bring in.
I mean, do you understand the physical toll and wear that playing 0-1 and 4i puts on your body? The transition from 3 tech to 0 is extremely rare amongst pros, and non-existent for guys 30+.
They ran less 30 front in 23 in edmonton than we did last year. That year, they used Ceresna all over the DL in 40 fronts. That was also maybe the worst D in the league in 23.
I detailed a bit of the issue with 4i vs 3t. It is a gigantic difference going 1-on-1 with a Canadian guard vs playing the gap between the T and G.
We ran as much assymetrical nose based 40 fronts last year, and significantly more in all the years prior to 24, than we have 30 fronts.
We ran what we could do last year because of personnel. Younger likes 30 fronts, it was the defensive system he played a lot in as an Argo. I'm not saying you are wrong, just that what we are doing seems to align with his love of 30 fronts. I would suspect our 30 fronts wouldn't exactly be the traditional 30, more of a 30 using a lot more LBer blitzes, which is one of the reasons we signed JSK in my opinion. A Lber that can blitz from depth which Jones didn't show he was particularly great at.
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3 minutes ago, wbbfan said: None of the DL we have signed are nose candidates. We have added some to the NL, but not signed any.
Corney only got meaningful snaps when guys were hurt. Kongbo got more, but in roles not suited to development, Waggon was saddled to teams almost exclusively.
Neg list NTs added is kinda what you do prior to signing them. Pretty damn clear signal of what we are soon to sign if you ask me.
2 minutes ago, wbbfan said: He isn't a nose. He could play some edge in a 30, but that is pretty unwise for maybe the best 3-tech in the league, who is also pretty advanced in age and had injury issues last year. 4i alone is a beating to take. Forget nose. The most nose he would play is in cheetah pack 40 fronts with an end rushing from the 3 tech spot. Which we have done very little of the last 2 years.
Noo chance would Ceresna agree to come here to play nose, probably not even 4i.
With all due respect, you have zero idea what J.Ceresna would agree to do. He played DE in Edmonton when they used 30 fronts. How is using him at DE in a 30 front at all unwise? It is the best use for him if you ask me. I have no doubt he would play little to no NT in a either a 30 or 40 front.
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37 minutes ago, CrazyCanuck89 said: They've cut their teeth on special teams. How else are they supposed to earn reps? How many reps do they get at practice?
You have to show you are as good or better than the man in front of you. Period.
Just now, rebusrankin said: JSK, I don't get the move unless JY has dreamed up a defensive alinement with 12 linebackers.
You don't get why we would bring in one of the top WIL Lbers in the league?
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1 minute ago, wbbfan said: If you look at our DL roster as it sits, we have no Dts over 295 lbs. We have 5 DL under 250 lbs. And we have 5 guys who are 270-290. If we wanted to run a 30 base, we would need a couple 300lbs noses, maybe even a starter sliding lawson over, and some ends in the bare minimum range of 260/265-280lbs range.
4I, the edge in a 30 front is pretty brutal. It's very similar to playing nose, but instead of primarily working an undersized canadian C, you are always working the gap between the biggest imp tackle and a big guard.
That's where I see Ceresna in the 30.
1 minute ago, wbbfan said: I don't think we are going to run the 30 base. So it won't be too bad. But we still need bodies on the DL at every role and both passports.
I know we have some good imp DL on our NL. We will see what floods in the form of rookies.
Will be interesting for sure.
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7 minutes ago, Booch said: In all honesty JSK is better and more versatile than Jones and Wilson at this point in careers...so this makes sense if he supplants one right off roster...and the guy he should is Jones...and allow the cdn rooks to get ..earn and maintain reps and also allow one of the intruiging guys brought in with serious upside a chance to develop...does Osh tho have the ability and moreso the acumen to see this and go with best combo based on skill..upside.. versatility?? God no...hes severely handicapped and biased in that regard
The question of who will MOS roster is legit. I am pretty stoked that Walters is bringing in guys that are legit enough to make him look foolish if he doesn't utilize them. No offense to J.Jones last year but JSK is a guy that if you keep him out of the lineup, then the HC has to draw some legit fire. If anything, it demonstrates that Walters is in control of who is getting signed again.
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1 minute ago, wbbfan said: Mos loves over achieving canadians. I have not seen him love the high picks and us school kids (Cahoon style canadians) He likes guys like Kramdi, we've seen a bunch of guys with massive promise who produced in limited use never get much of a shot. Corney, Kongbo, Waggoner, etc.
We have been a 40 Defence for 98% of the time JY and Hall have been here coaching. Would we have just brought in the best 3tech in the league to slide him over to 4i? Would Ceresna come over for that fit? Idk man, that is a much tougher role to play and far more wear.
IF, we are going to be a 30 team to the volume we were in 24, you will see a group of import nose tackles brought in, and another couple canadian undersized DTs who could play the 4i spot. We only have 1 nose on the roster right now in lawson. And we need a 2nd canadian and another guy who can spell him on the dl.
Imo, Jjones was as much a gap, but in an even greater area of need. As a guy who can pass rush.
We have signed a bunch of NT candidates this offseason through recruitment. I disagree on Corney/Kongbo/and Waggoner. All 3 got extensive playing time early in their careers and that was playing behind Westerman/jeffcoat.
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Just now, Bubba Zanetti said: Makes sense. You really need a stud DT in the middle for a 30 front to be successful. Enter Jake Ceresna.
I think we will see a lot of Ceresna at DE in a 30 front.
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16 minutes ago, Brandon said: Disagree majorly. They didn't come in looking completely lost and throwing 3 yard check downs. I didn't say they "lit it up" but they at least showed that they can enter into the game and at least show a general threat of scoring.
So a 2 game segment is your basis of 3 QBs? You can disagree if you want but the proof is in the pudding overall. Check out all 3 guys average completion yardage and it is dink and dunk numbers. Did they have moments where they didn't look overwhelmed? Sure. We got much better outings from Dru Brown than any of those 3 ever had.
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Just now, wbbfan said: I think Mike and Jack are more likely. Especially with the number of db/wils we have.
We didn't run a ton of 30 fronts last year. We cut our 30 front usage by about 70% last year from the previous year. It went from our base more than 2/3s of the time to less than 100 snaps.
Maybe JY will bring back the 30, but I think it was a forced evolution of our inability to get any pressure or defend guys in man. We turned away from it soo hard despite still having poor pressure last year, that I don't think JY wants to play a Canadian style of Fangio 6 cover. I think we will gear to get as much pressure as possible with 4-5 rushers, and probably rush the 5th guy or blitz as often as we play a 30 front and rush 3.
I would have agreed with you but I think that returning to more 30 front is why we paid big for Ceresna and now brought in JSK. At least that seems to be the most logical reason for what we've done in FA...and I don't mind it because we had great success with it in 2024. What you are stating is definitely possible too because JSK can be an effective blitzer. I just look at our personnel right now tho, and it just screams 30.
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2 minutes ago, bearpants said: Well this is a confusing one... I feel the same way as when we re-signed Wilson... I like the player, but I don't see the fit
and this is what makes it even more confusing... JSK is a better WIL... Ayers is a better teamer.... Woodbey is a better "utility" player... Jones still stays at MLB... Shay and Smith need to start getting some playing time... why is Wilson here??
Wilson is here now. Let's see if he makes it through camp. Shay and Smith need to earn playing time, not be given it based on passport/draft status. We play a ton of 3-4. There is ample opportunity to get them on the field even with the IMPs we have. In a 3-4 you need guys like JSK that are sound in every situation. I could see JSK playing a lot of MIKE this year.
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3 minutes ago, wbbfan said: I got a sick feeling in my gut that they are only ever going to be allowed to play teams.
They will have to earn their on field reps. If they are good enough to get field time what are the odds that MOS sits NAT players that deserve to play. Never happened yet. Everyone is looking at this addition in terms of a traditional 4-3 defence. I love that we brought in a guy that will solidify a 4 man LBer unit for us. He is a great fit for that.
3 minutes ago, wbbfan said: He hasn't been terribly effective as a pass rusher since he left here, but he does have the basic tools and sneaky upper body strength.
Agree.
He would. And I think he is finally 100% and stayed healthy last year.
Im not sure if he's a wil any more. Maybe in a pinch if you need, but youd be better putting in a DB especially a bigger one.
We went through that exact situation last year though
That might or might not be true. JSK being better is undeniable.
Glad to get JSK, I was starting to worry that he may end up a RIder.
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I'm not against the guy, I just have not seen him offer much of anything when he is in the lineup. Would love to know what they see in him. Not saying there isn't something there it's just not obvious.
Sure. But if we are going 3 NAT receivers then he should not be front line depth. It is essential that we have a guy who can produce if that is our plan. Just a body is not good enough. No different that Jake Thomas the past few years, if we had kept him down to 8-10 snaps a game no one would be complaining but he got thrust into a starting role and became a glaring weak spot for us. Are you comfortable with Corcoran coming off the bench to be a potential starter if any of our 3 starting NATs go down. I'm not.