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15 minutes ago, sweep the leg said:
Was Harris not the highest paid rb in the league when we won back to back Cups?
Yes, was our QB the highest paid? Nope. Was AH making 250k a season. Nope. I have zero issues with BO being the highest paid RB. It's all about by how much, and whether we have that luxury.
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On 2025-11-16 at 5:00 PM, Booch said:
If Maas was leading our team 2022-2024...I bet we have 5 cups.....just saying
I bet if players had made more plays from 2022-2024 we would have 4 cups as well. My bet is even more likely than your bet to be accurate. Despite coaching let downs we were a play or two from winning two of those games for sure. No coach would have overcome the ZC injury. We had nothing behind him. Unless one has the incredibly far fetched idea that Jake Dolegala Or Wilson was going to lead us to victory. The last Grey Cup went down the crapper when Collaros did. He was the only QB on our roster capable of winning that game. That's just the reality of it.
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39 minutes ago, Noeller said:
I could have sworn the consensus here was that Dobson, Ford and Lawler were all a wild overpayment and the Bombers were smart to not pay the asking price......?
I think that was the consensus on 2 out of the 3 for sure. However, many here lamented the Lawler loss for the piss poor GMing that it was. Ford would still be an overpay. Dobson, wasn't really considered an overpay by most, but replaceable with what we had in Wallace. That's why we are fans though. We don't get paid big dollars to make proper talent assessment . I mean read the forum for the past number of years, we still have guys that think that Kramdi isn't a good player. Walters does and therefore when we look back in retrospect, our opinions of the moves at the time don't have to have a great deal of accuracy. A CFL GM does not get to have the same level of accuracy as a fan, he must be better than Joe Blow.
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36 minutes ago, Booch said:
so you want a rift between your G.M and H.C?....No trust in his judgement...after all he is the coach and should see talent/value
I agree tho Walter's needs to take more ownership and tell osh for a lack of better word's to "eff off" in some of his ideas
YEAH...we dont have to play a Canadian RB...We choose to
again...back to coach's eye for talent
Kramdi..Thomas..Kolo...Hallett getting major reps...Corcorran...Korny...none those guys would get reps elsewhere like here...I cant see any starting anywhere else....Do a better job with your canadian talent and dont focus on ST only guys...Talented players can play teams....Untalented players who only can play teams dont make adequate backups let alone starters
I think you meant what went wrong starting on 2023....that may be a better way to fix it...and stop referencing back to 2019-2021...Osh still lives there
If a rift is necessary, then a rift it must be. If that rift can't be navigated someone has to go. I would rather Walters do his job, and if the situation were to become untenable then do what else is necessary. I don't buy into the notion that Walters must be OSH's puppet for harmony. That's a cop out for Walters not doing his job.
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11 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said:
I was wondering when Vaccaro would be eligible for the draft. He was named the best OL in the league (or country) before leaving the Bisons for Purdue. Would be a perfect guy to bring back. Wonder if he gets any NFL interest?
I guess it depends on his season this year really. However, just browsing the interweb he seems to be rated as a non-draftee possible UDFA NFL type. Might be a real good guy to draft if he is still there. Not sure who ahead of us is looking at Centre so I'd say he's a guy that could fit our draft needs.
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6 minutes ago, Booch said:
Dobson got market value for 2nd yr deal for a Canadian Olineman....we could have easily kept him....Just look at what the the Human Ole' machine at center makes....drop his money...give it to Dobson....Same with what Thomas pulls in for his 18 games...prob top 3 in snaps on the dline for a grand total of 9 tackles...thats his stat line...18 games...9 tackles.....wow.....
lot of our early struggles tho I think can be placed at the feet of another subpar and poorly crafted TC...again......Even some vets said it was an issue
I just want t see real competition in camp...No Job is guaranteed/penciled in....no guys getting zero TC participation yet start Game 1.....You show best in camp...you get the spot....regardless of where you from...how long you been here....or in league....plain and simple...roll that unit out game 1-3 and if they gettin er done...keep on rolling, and players keep their spot with performance, or you lose your job.
That's the world I came from and am still in with the football I'm still involved with
Can Osh facilitate that?...thats the big question...Have my doubts until he shows that
and a top ST player too league wide...that alone should have gave ol Osh a stiffer
I absolutely agree and Dobson even stated he gave Walters a chance to match. That was a mistake. It wasn't as big at the time he made it, but I think our franchise can ill afford another offseason of talent bleed off like last year. Losing 4 all stars in one season, all of whom wanted to return, is piss poor GMing.
I completely agree with you about how we craft our TC's. Not working. Needs a revamp. I am hoping that Miller's retention of Walters/OSH came with some directives about changing up some of their flaws. If not....this year really is on Miller. I am still of the firm belief that at the very least Walters should have been fired, and OSH if necessary to appease a new GM. The mafia isn't working right now and I think Miller is a pretty savvy guy and has given some new ways forward to the management/coaching. If not, whatever they do this year could have been prevented.
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14 minutes ago, Booch said:
January will be very telling in who we consider "priority" signings and how long we take to solve the OC issue...the longer we drag thatbout...the more concerning it is as it means any potential upgrade is hesitant in signing on here...and rightfully so, or they are re-uping OC guy....so fairly soon it will be apparent if it more of the same ol ame ol downward spiral, or a true shift...and if some of the usual suspects are re-signed early, and some the others not outright released prior to free agency we are hooped
We will have to eat 3 yrs and probably wallow around in the abyss...or can Osh mid-season or after the next flop seson and eat that contract and hand-cuff ourselves, and prob do the ol promote from within...not a very confidence inducing time by any stretch right now....
Schoen wont be seen until the very late stages of 2026...if at all....and even then he should just sit it all out a try a "comeback" in 2027...He should not even be considered an option for 2026 and If HC and G.M intend that as a signing...both should be sent packing now
Fact...2023 Grey cup Schoen couldnt run and hadnt practiced in months and wasnt ready to play and even said was shocked to be on roster...Bailey could barely move due to a hammy...Demski couldt run or cut worth **** with an ankle....zero explosion, and Bolo was 100 percent healthy...took zero snaps as our offence got smothered....also of note we had an experienced vet in Ambles....who had been here for weeks...won a Grey Cup against us the previous yr , and was a solid receiver and Osh opted to not dress hi for any of the other 3.....so saying Osh is a pisspoor roster curator isnt a stretch...Thats just one season's example....this has gone on pretty much for all his seasons
maybe Osh needs tohave a better eye for talent in camp as to who to keep?....hmmmmm...possible
only way you get better....and progress...is with game reps in the CFL...Not in practice....not running up and down field on teams...you need to be integrated to see if player is one to move forward with...or move on from
We are worst inleague inder Osh in doing that...and why we have zero depth
You keep saying that Osh needs to have a better eye for talent in camp. This league is small and opposing GMs are very aware and have scouted many of the same players we have. I cannot think of a single player we cut in camp that went on to be anything in this league. Teams are signing other teams cuts all the time. Our cuts have done exactly zero anywhere. That leads me to believe that it isn;t Osh's eye for talent that is the problem, it is our recruiters. If we were cutting studs some at least would turn up somewhere else. THAT IS WHY WE HAVE ZERO DEPTH.
Over a 3 year span with Rigmaiden our scouting suddenly ratcheted up and we were a very deep club. He left it went back to poop again. We aren't bringing in enough talent at every position group. PERIOD. The only place we seem to be having some real good fortune is at DB.
I am on record many times saying coaching lost us that Grey Cup, both roster composition but especially game plan. However, that was not the discussion whatsoever. Telling me how a carburetor works when we are talking about mufflers doesn't add anything. We all know what MOS weaknesses are. Where we disagree is how that impacts our talent level. Like I've stated, name one good player who left town because of roster composition.
Look, I stated last week that I thought we should clean house. I am not defending OSH. What I am trying to point out is that anyone thinking we had a roster that could legit compete for a Grey Cup last year is smoking crack. We NEED more talent, and to be clear we also need our coach to use it properly, I think that's a pretty fair statement.
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21 minutes ago, Booch said:
100%...I'd say one of the weakest league wide in some time...not just here...was almost embarrassing to be honest, and add to that a OC who couldnt put a game plan together to beat a Prep School team in Texas or Cali...well we saw the results...
he's definately give us a player on the all douchewhistle team tho...but other than that...i dunno...not polished....or good route runner...suspect hands...but good coaching could correct that...So uness we can OC Guy we better sign polished pros with many yrs under their belt
wasnt that knicked up...and Osh plays guys who shouldnt even dress...let alone be a back-up...so dont buy that crap cause he coud have flipped ratio and played an Imp....but nope...he's a moron
so explain the playingof sub par guys...for yrs now in "real" games and not sitting...bemching...cutting them for far more than less than adequate play?....exhibition or not...tc..reg sesson...Of a player shows ability, then reps and a chance to grow is a nobrainer...and that was hardly an exhibition game....and you think the Al's were playing to lose?...no player regardless of the game implications wants to suck ass and lose...and if they are...then shouldnt be on a pro roster...thats just nonesense
thing with rookies...you dont know until you know...if you are real good evaluator of talent (which some of our coaches...or coach isnt) then ya you can see the possible benefit/upside, but if never given a chance...you will never know...and rarely develop talent...especially national
And why our depth sucks, and we seem to be lacking any impact players...wesuck at developing and transitioning cause Osh stagnates it and values some intabgibles over talent and upside..being here many yrs, or being a vet doesnt always mean "better"....only in Osh's world
I agree that in years past we had ample opportunity to be better at giving young guys playing time. We cruised for many years easily winning our division. Could have still done so and played the youngsters more.
However, I find this argument to be completely without merit this year. This year we struggled early and were fighting for a playoff spot right to the last week. We couldn't roll the dice on rookies or we may have missed the playoffs in a GC hosting year. We've heard lots about Smith/Shay not playing. Haven't heard much about anyone else. Our LBers actually played well this year. We should have sat them and played rookies in a year where one more loss and we are out of the playoffs? C'mon. That's not a valid thought process. In the past, yes, this year nope.
Whether you like it or not the ALs game was an exhibition game. Both teams sat a great deal of starters. Did both teams play to win? Certainly. Was the talent level of those competing the highest level. Nope.
I think the Bombers have done a real good job developing NAT talent. Not sure what you are seeing that suggests otherwise? Some hit and some miss, and none of it was due to playing time or lack thereof. Who are these NAT talents that we failed to develop and went somewhere else and found success? Name one.
We've seen a few fringe NAT guys leave after their first contract due to playing time, but these aren't difference maker players. The other guys we've lost it's been solely about the benjamins. We wouldn't pay them what others were willing to do so. This fabrication that we lose good NATs for lack of playing time in year one is nonsense. Playing time in year one literally doesn't hurt their CFL careers whatsoever. They sign 3 year deals at a stipulated salary. Years 2 and 3 are where they need to be playing and we have been very good about getting anyone who is starting quality their playing time by the time they hit FA. Dobson and Ford for instance, our big FA losses last year barely saw the field in their rookie years. They still parlayed their successful first contracts into big money second contracts.
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29 minutes ago, bigg jay said:
The record book says that's not entirely true, at least as far as drafted players go.
6 guys have played out their rookie deals and left as a FA in the last 10 years: Ford, Dobson, BOLO, Desjarlais, Kongbo & Loeffler.
9 guys have stayed past their rookie deal: Kramdi, Cadwallader, Brady, Eli, Nick Hallett, Gray, Couture, Gauthier, Chung.
There have been guys who may have been around longer but were forced to retire due to injuries (ex: Noah Hallett, Trent Corney). More concerning was the amount of busts we've had over that time - i get the CFL draft is a crap shoot but man is it ugly.
I am not sure he was entirely talking about NATs, although, the Bombers have been VERY good at retaining our top talent IMPs so I can't imagine that's what he meant. We have let a lot of IMP guys walk after their rookie contracts expire but I am yet to see a single one of them make a difference elsewhere. Fact of the matter is that NAT draft pick retention is always going to be a little more difficult because they had no choice where they were going to play to start with. You are always going to lose some after their rookie contract. However, its a GMs job to present them with a number that will make them stay. Ford there was no way he was staying, but over the years we have let some very good NATs walk in FA because we didn't want to pay.
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2 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:
A lot of players leave here after their first contract. We refuse to pay. We spend money instead on retreads like Thomas & Kolokowski. The Canadian Mafia faves.
Name the players who have left here after their first contract? I'm not arguing, just can't think of too many. Dobson? Was he first or 2nd contract? I agree that we have lost some very key players over the past several years to money tho. Our SMS may need a little reconfiguring for sure. I mean Thomas and Kolanowski aren't big budget items so the example is a little poor. However, we have allocated some heavy salary to BO, ZC, and WJ that might have been money better spent elsewhere.
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16 hours ago, JuranBoldenRules said:
Funny that we've reached the point in the cycle where MOS just doesn't love his Canadians enough, or in the right way.
Sure we could find receipts about how people felt about giving Jesse Briggs reps at WIL, having Kramdi take a breath on a CFL field at all.
**** almost wish he went to Toronto so we could get our board back.
That has been a revelation to me as well. From starting and using too many NATs to we never game them a chance all in the span of a month. My head is spinning.
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1 hour ago, wbbfan said:
Mos views teams guys reps as important as D/O. He has only started canadian lbers when absolutely forced into by injury, or absolute lack of options early.
He’s got both shay and smith penned in for teams only when they should’ve gotten D repsDoes any one think kornelson is a better guy to have fill reps than shay or smith? We could’ve gone imp at dt and ni at one lber spot.
He also sat clercius for corcoran, that guys top speed is the same as old people who mall walk.
Mos isn’t enamoured by canadians as much as lunch box types with football iq. When those guys happen to be canadians, it’s a wet dream for him.
The marine was playing most of the season here in 23, when burtenshaw was sitting on the pr. The lber/fb super sub sts guy we drafted and lauded until mos fell in love with jackson. Same goes for charbonneau.
You can also look at guys like Rosery, who did every thing we asked to the point of going back to school working on pass catching came back again, shined in his few opportunities to be cut while we kept wastes of space. Petermann too, it’s almost like the more athletic and upside a canadian has the less mos likes them. He’s always gets stuck on the sub par athletes.
Again...who are the guys who left town only to have enormous success after being "held back" here. Name just one. That was the claim being made. Could we split hairs on whether a guy like Rosary should have gotten more reps....I suppose....but he was a fringe talent then and would be a fringe guy now if he stuck. I mean really we are clamoring for MOS to play guys with very little upside in their game. BTW, Corcoran played because Clercius was a little knicked up.
Could we have gotten more reps for Shay/Smith? Maybe. However, our record wasn't very conducive to rolling the dice with unproven rookies.
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59 minutes ago, Pete said:
yeah but not all cdns players are equal, unless youd like an even more steady diet of JT
JT playing was not due to ratio.
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On 2025-11-15 at 8:53 PM, SpeedFlex27 said:
I think the rookie salary cap is a huge problem. If the Bombers wanted to sign Elgersma for $175,000 that should be their decision. The cap should be a floor & not a ceiling.
I think if you get so much NFL time in after your draft year that the rookie amounts are null and void now? Thought I read that, maybe someone can confirm? Sorry if that's all in my head.
4 hours ago, rebusrankin said:Hypothetical, if we lose Brady but sign one of Mills, Butler or Bell and save about 90-100k, how do you feel?
I'm OK with that so long as our BO saving go directly to signing a top notch OL.
3 hours ago, Pete said:Thing is signing Brady allows us an import elesewhere , hopefully on the oline. A decent cdn lineman would cost 220 plus so the savings isnt as much as youd think. So Id really go in on Brady
If we can get an allstar calibre OL for the Brady savings we can easily replace most of Brady's production for a regular RB salary. The net gain in us getting a stud OL is far greater than the 300 yards more from scrimmage we will get from Brady.
3 hours ago, 17to85 said:We routinely played more Canadians than required so does it matter if we don't use the advantage?
Fair point.
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57 minutes ago, 17to85 said:
The point is, we regularly play subpar Canadian starters and guys with high upside don't get reps just because they're rookies.... and with BOLO it is more an example of even when guys are too hurt to play he stood on the sidelines... he might not be a super star but he's IMO better than Corcoran and clercius and we lost him because of that lack of opportunity when it was teed up on a platter for a guy to step up.
I know you got your lips firmly planted on O'Shea's backside but things don't work in the black and white way you think.
Well don't let a little thing like facts get in the way of your BOLO rant. He wasn't competing for reps against Clercius or Corcoran. If he was you might have a point but he wasn't so your point is ridiculous. BOLO had to unseat a still in his prime Wolitarsky or Nic Demski. He could do neither because he wasn't good enough. He was given ample reps to demonstrate his potential. FULL STOP. The fact he has gone elsewhere and been just as ineffective proves that. I mean good gravy you say I have my head up my arse defending OSH, but that's not true, I just would like for a single one of the examples used against him to make a lick of sense. Is that too much to ask?
FACT:
In 2022, BOLO had more targets with Winnipeg than his first year in Hamilton and almost as much as this year. He put up a whopping 233 yards for those targets.
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In the two years since leaving here he has averaged 335 yards per season seeing almost full time receiving duty.
Yea, he's the one that got away all right. Answer me this, which of our old vets in Wolitarsky or Demski would you have sat down for that outstanding level of production? Or are you suggesting we should have flipped an IMP receiving spot to NAT and sat down one of Lawler/Schoen/Bailey?
I mean seriously look at that receiving corps. BOLO didn't stand a chance of making that roster as a starter because it was an elite receiving crew....but hey MOS is the bad guy for dressing his best receivers I guess.
If it sounds like I'm mocking your example, I am. You could have picked from so many and you chose literally the one guy that we MOS did give chances too and didn't seize the opportunity.
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3 minutes ago, 17to85 said:
Except we know that's not true... we had high drafted guys this past year never got a sniff because of Americans in the way. BOLO was healthy and can contribute yet didn't take a snap in a Grey cup game where 3 receivers were dinged up.... osh isn't flawless. He plays guys and not others for lots of different reasons.
BOLO? That's the guy you want to say that we held back? Have you looked at his performance since he left here? We had Americans in the way? No....we had Americans that were better and gave us a better chance of winning. You guys criticize Osh for 8-9 NAT starters but want every position a NAT backs up for them to start over an IMP. Makes no sense. Our high drafted guys were Shay and Smith, what leads you to believe they were better than any of our starting LBers? Show your work.
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1 minute ago, rebusrankin said:
So given the Coaching Cap, we're stuck with them if things go bad, correct? Again, Wade should have given them one year deals.
Its a tiny sample size but given how he played in the last regular season game, Smith should have been getting reps on D all year.
It is a tiny sample size in what was an exhibition game. Further to that, he wasn't high end by any stretch of the imagination. However, he did show nicely for a rookie. Who would you have taken out to put him in? What makes you believe he constituted any kind of upgrade? That's what we are talking about here. He was rostered all season, so what we are talking about is starting reps. I didn't see anything that led me to believe he deserved starting reps all season.
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On 2025-11-14 at 12:53 PM, Bubba Zanetti said:
Were talking high end rookies not getting any meaningful game snaps, while washed up vets hog all the playing time. That is 100% on O'Shea.
Who are these high end rookies not playing? Name one. Name a guy that's sitting on our depth chart now or formerly that has been good here or elsewhere.. ONE just ONE.
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On 2025-11-14 at 10:48 AM, Bubba Zanetti said:
Im putting that all on O'Shea. He decides the gameday rosters and they are always chalk-full of his shi**y vets game after game, regardless of outcome or performance.
You can put it on Osh if you like, but the conversation is about NAT players. Who are the stud NATs we haven't been playing? For crissakes, if there were any and I mean ANY stud NATs sitting on our depth chart does anyone here honestly believe OSH wouldn't play them? The guy would start 24 NATs if he could.
19 hours ago, Booch said:if Osh smartens up and puts hi back in lineup....what a dumb move that was
More of that next yr and kiss him goodbye when his rookie deal is up
He was nicked up. He could've played but Osh decided to sit him. Isn't that what you criticized him ad nauseum for not doing before? Pick a lane.
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4 minutes ago, JohnnyAbonny said:
Besides Shoen and to a lesser extent Pokey, the track record of scouting American receivers by this regime is by far the worst in the league. It really needs to improve this year.
I think that our recruitment in general has been very poor over the past several years. I think the only period of time we saw good recruitment with this regime was when Rigmaiden was here. Other than that not a whole lot. Look at our depth. It's pathetic.
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19 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:
I hope we upgrade our National receivers enough so we can drop Rudy, I mean Corcoran
THIS
Reminds me of the dark days of our receiving corps when we were pretending Rory Kohlert was a legit receiver. Back then the Bombers had an excuse,....years of poor GMing. Hmmmm.....
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16 hours ago, wbbfan said:
Any possession wr needs to be a down field possession guy, like lawler. Tall, lanky, long strider, athletic enough to one cut separate a bit and able to dominate 50/50 balls.
We don’t need more corcorans and 10 yards and less catch when open the fall down.Tbh, our wr core needs a lot. wilson, demski and big kev. we need as much wr as we can get in the last two spots. Really need a wr1 and maybe a 3.
Our receiving corps was as weak an any of the crap groups I can remember over the past 40 years. It really can't be overstated how much help we need there. With all due respect to Nic Demski he should not be a 1 receiver.
15 hours ago, Booch said:Till we wrecked his career out of desperation stupidity
Yip..need to slap whoever puts in the request for these guys...and if osh puts Corcoran ahead of Clercius again he should be shot as well
We need to slap the guys who recruit and/or sign them.
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29 minutes ago, M.Silverback said:
Depending on the source, RB's are 7th - 9th in terms of the average salary in the NFL by position group. Reasons - overall impact and availability of replacement players. You pay QB's, impact DL's, WR's, all star OL. I get CFL has differences ... Canadians are paid a premium ... we all love Brady ... But still, football is football. It's just bad salary cap management to pay an RB one of the highest salaries on any team.
Totally agree. You can make exceptions if you get a real good deal on a QB or something but if you have a top 3 QB salary in the league you shouldn't be paying a premium at RB. 850k in combined salary for the guys standing behind salary is a recipe for a lot weakness, or lack of depth elsewhere. We've seen it. The proof is in the pudding. The guys that are clamoring for BO saying we are nothing without him are ignoring the fact that our overall offence has sucked since the Collaros/BO mega contracts were signed. BO is an awesome RB, but he was paid almost double what the guy who lead the league in rushing this year made. We obviously can get his production or close to it for a fraction of the price.
Also, and this is just a personal peeve and has no bearing on whether we should retain him or not, I really don't like that he claims to bleed blue but holds a gun to our head every time his contract expires. He totally has the right to do that, but I just don't like how he puts it out there in the media etc.
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I disagree wholeheartedly on what Dolegala might have done. He is a stand up, pocket passer with almost no mobility. He had extremely limited knowledge of our playbook, took almost no first team reps to build timing, and would have been facing a TO front 4 that was dominating our OL. I give him a near zero chance of winning that game if he comes in. We may all hate that Zac Collaros went back into that game, but he was the only QB on our roster that realistically gave us any shot of winning. Yes, in order to do so he would have had to be able to play through his injury but if I am the coach I would make the same call based on who was available. It's not like we didn't try Wilson, we did, and he promptly went out and laid a big fat egg. Dolegala? Not even a realistic option really IF we are truly trying to win. I get the gamble that ZC could play through didn't work, but at the time the decision was made it was the right decision imo. Anything else is laying down and gifting the win.
The reality of the situation is that the second ZC got injured our chances of winning that game, no matter who we put out behind centre, pretty much dried up unless D and STs could pull out a miracle. Our offence was done. I don't think that's an unfair statement at all. ZC could have gone back into that game and we feed them a steady diet of BO and we had a chip and a chair. The problem wasn't leaving ZC in the game. The problem was the play calling once we had decided that.
Buck never adjusted to the reality of that moment. We had all kinds of run packages, screens, dumps, go to the flats that ZC could have executed even with a bad finger. Instead we have him going long on his first play back in the game. It made no sense.