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Just now, johnzo said:
how much of this is due to us consistently drafting late for years now because we've had a really good team?
Can't be sure, but other teams have leap frogged us in terms of NAT talent for sure. We've seen guys drafted behind our guys turn into bonafide CFL talent while we have first rounders like Anthony Bennett out of football.
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29 minutes ago, Booch said:
He's great in the big packages....havn't really seen him get a chance at center...some pre-season but really whopdeedo....throw to wolves and see, and then yeah agreed....if they both are the same and bottom teir....both shuld be sent packing a week after the Grey Cup...That goes for several other spots too..we need a roster reset and a bit of a movement away from the past....cause the last 3 yrs is proof the past is the past and aint coming back with some of these relics we cling to
I am not willing to put a sub par player in just because the guy ahead of him sucks. Rather cut bait on them both and our GM do his job.
34 minutes ago, Booch said:coaches probably also know Korn and Thomas are not particularly good either....explain that one lol....Tho Korn got the pine and rightfully so....Scmecker for now has earned that 2nd Cdn DT spot...But now lawson is back to full practice one would think he should bump Thomas off roster...we don't need 3 Cdn DT's....2 Dt's and an edge guy like Bailey would make more sense.....but will we see it?...doubt it...we either gonna waste a spot on another DT that really isnt impactful, or Schmeck gets bumped off...which would be a crime...Scmeck also has yrs of ball ahead of him....and upside....Thomas has neither....he's just basically in the way
We need an infusion of talent in a big way, particularly to our NAT depth which used to be the class of the league and is now second rate. I don't care how you cut it, that is on Walters. Could we tweak our lineup a bit and wring out a little bit more than one we have been getting? Possibly, but it is just putting lipstick on a pig.
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1 minute ago, Booch said:
I bet Wallace...Eli...Even Schmeck would do better.....Kolo has started to have more and more bad snaps...and he is utterly useless after initial engagement...he usually misses his block....loses the block...or gets roller skated into the QB's lap....and in second level....yikes.....I dunno how we can really fix that this yr....But something needs to be tried if for anything just to see.....but we wont
Nobody would have thought Speller would look like an all-star but he got thrust into action and was lights out in a Cup run...If you aint trying to get better...what the fcukk you doing?
Totally agree. Walters need to find a suitable replacement ASAP. What you won't convince me of, after watching him for 6 years, is that Eli is that guy. We really should cut bait on him too.
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3 minutes ago, 17to85 said:
The entire point is that we don't know if it is inferior or not because Osh won't give anyone a chance unless forced to.
Kolankowski if he's not the worst starter on the team is damned close to it and should be replaced. And if Eli isn't the guy to do it then he should be replaced too. We've seen Kyle Walters bring in players who can step in and play before. Based on each guys respective history I say Walters is fine at finding players, it's the coach who is bad at giving them chances and building a roster properly.
Eli has clearly demonstrated that he is not a particularly good OL. The coaches know this. This isn't some fresh faced guy, he's had numerous games under his belt and has been well below average in all of them. Why would anyone think he would be better all of a sudden? I get that no one is particularly impressed by Kola, and rightfully so, but change has to be for the better or why bother. Replacing an inferior talent with an inferior talent is not a particularly bright idea. If we want Kola gone then Walters has to get to work.
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1 minute ago, 17to85 said:
I watched kolankowski **** up a snap not 2 games ago... and I watched him do nothing of value on many other plays, and I watched his slow ass limit a run by Brady because he couldn't either get a block or get out of the backs way. Maybe he's better at snapping, but at this point maybe we need someone better at not being a guy who can snap and nothing else.
I agree, better would be good, now direct that anger at who is responsible for bringing in the talent. There seems to be a huge disconnect on this forum in that regard. Look, I'm not going to sit here and say that Osh doesn't make some poor roster decisions, but I will defend him when someone says we should bring in inferior talent just for the sake of change. That never works out. When someone better is behind someone and not being played the point is valid. However, you brought up Kola and Neufeld as examples of players taking up spots over better players in house. That is fiction.
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7 minutes ago, 17to85 said:
Bighill was useless in pass coverage too. Bighill got injured and it improved the D so how can you sit there and sat it was the best use of roster? It's a bright flashing sign showing how O'Shea's loyalty to certain veterans blinds him from making the best roster moves... so if we know it happens based on this one example we can ******* easily extrapolate that it happens to varying degrees at other positions.
It's pretty ******* telling when we can sit here on this message board in the offseason and basically nail the depth chart before camp even opens.
Yes, that surely does say something about Walters work doesn't it? You have to be off your rocker to think that coaches would rather lose than upgrade their roster. This forum sometimes.....
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6 minutes ago, 17to85 said:
And it took an injury for him to get the more substantial playing time which led to improved team performance.... and opportunity that wouldn't have been given without injury... and that's not the only position this sort of thing happens with. We're just not always lucky enough to have injuries at positions where they need to happen.
In a rotation with Bighill was the best use for him at the time and probably would have remained so if Biggie didn't get injured. Biggie may have been eclipsed in stopping the run by Jones, but he is a way better cover LBer than him on passing downs. That is a Jones weakness. I have defended Tony Jones all year here, and will continue to do so, because I think he is a decent MIKE but he was no better than Biggie on passing downs and in fact was not as good. Where we saw the real improvement was against the run where Biggie was struggling.
5 minutes ago, 17to85 said:This is less about how good Eli is and more about Kolankowski sucks, try someone else and if it's not Eli find someone else.
I agree on finding someone else. Like I said, I am no Kola fan. I just don't believe the answer is in house and that is on Walters.
5 minutes ago, Noeller said:I'm on the fence about Eli, but there is a HUGE NCAA vs CIS bias going on here (on MBB) in his favour... I tend to agree that if he actually was able to outperform Koala, he would have had a shot by now.
If Eli showed any ability to be a starting Centre he would have gotten a look by now. Sorry if some guys want to live on what we saw early in his career, but he never reached his potential.
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1 minute ago, TBURGESS said:
Eli's been around since 2019 and hasn't been promoted to starter yet. If you're basing your opinion on how he played way back in 2017 against college opposition, then you're out to lunch on your assessment of his current value.
I agree. He looked promising before he stepped away from football after 2019 but he has clearly not been the same player since.
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31 minutes ago, 17to85 said:
Tony Jones? Cause you and I know damned well that without injury bighill would still be starting for us despite a scrap heap pick up like Jones instantly improved play at the position.
Yes, a veteran guy we brought in and he definitely helped but he had a bunch of playing time prior to Biggie's injury already. We were using him on running downs in rotation at both MIKE and WIL.
32 minutes ago, Tracker said:We've had Eli, a college all-star center for several years, and a Canadian-status to boot, but O'Shea is O'Shea.
Eli has not shown the ability to play at a high level when inserted into our line up. What confidence should the coaches have in him after what he has displayed thus far? The guy has stunk when he has been put in as an injury replacement. I will concede that has not been at Centre, but the crux remains that you still have to show an ability to block even at centre.
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15 minutes ago, 17to85 said:
This is a terrible argument... teams in the cfl barely scout practise rosters of each other any more. Fact is their own American scouting is just as efficient. Hamilton is a great example. They hired a gm from the Bombers and he found a use.for tons of guys who didn't get as many opportunities here. Mostly with Americans you're looking at potential and it's the combination of opportunity and development that turn them into impactful starters. The crux of the issue here is that we never give guys those opportunities when there's an established vet in their way on the depth chart. It leads to stagnation.
Teams barely scout PRs of each other? Based on what are you saying this? Who says? I've seen umpteen examples of teams taking prospects released by other teams and getting good use out of them. We've had several players released by us get looks in other places only to be released by other teams. You are not arguing with facts in any way, shape, or form right now. You believe we are not giving players development? How so? Do you think that playing players that are not developed is the way to develop them properly? That is nonsense. Not one iota of your counter argument is grounded in reality.
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25 minutes ago, 17to85 said:
Neufeld was ass to start last season because he was hurt all camp.
And how can Eli earn a spot when he never gets a chance there? See you're still clinging to this false idea that you have that guys are starting because they are the best option and no one has pushed past them. That's demonstatively flase with this team...
How can you say that? Who has come in as an injury replacement and pushed a starter out lately? Can't think of one. Therefore you suggesting something is demonstratively false is completely opinion, and without any basis in fact to back it up. That is called opinion, not fact. That is arguing in bad faith. If you can give me some tangible facts, I am willing to reconsider my opinion but just saying this is the way it is based on nothing is not a particularly compelling argument.
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22 minutes ago, Booch said:
cant use that tho as a metric...Teams put time and money into their own recruiting and scouting....and won't dump their guys for others...thats how you also lose your scouting staff (Cyril Penn says hi)
I can see the thinking of that....but really it's a never will know...and for a lot of positions in the CFL players are pretty comparable across the board talent and skill wise....it's coaching and instruction that sets then apart....to even get a invite to even a CFL camp you gotta be able to play and have talent....and brains
So perhaps a lot of what ails us when we dont have a vet lineup in it's prime is our ability to coach and scheme effectively and get guys in right positions to be sucessful?....could very well be....Osh himself has said he at times has no clue whats going on in the locker room...and lets the guys sort things out themselves....maybe he needs to be more hands on now that he doesnt have the troops to self coach/police.....just spitballing but that is not out of the quation and making up a yarn
You can use that as a metric though, if we are passing on quality starting level talent other teams will gladly bring them in. Every team, no matter how much they scout, will not gladly take a quality player that slips through the cracks elsewhere. We've had numerous players that we've cut get looks elsewhere only to be cut again.
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Just now, Booch said:
Part of problem in my opinion tho is the HC ability to actually evaluate and identify the talent too....he values some things that don't translate to success on the field, and for whatever reason feels the need to play excessive Canadians at times...and in key spots when not needed
If a scouting staff brings guys in and the HC chooses to keep and roster possibly inferior guys....then that's not on the scouting staff...Part of the issue here is after some yrs of futility, and almost getting canned Osh got some success with a loaded lineup (provided by the G.M and scouts) but then clinged to way too many and made some odd roster decisions as well and we never really re-loaded or had actual transition pieces being groomed...and where we actually did...we let em walk....did we give the coach based on that initial success too much leeway in who he wanted...and didnt....and the G.M allowed it?....was it the G.M was lazy and had no balls and didnt see it, or question things?...I think It a bit of A...a bit of B....and Walter's should have played Boss a few yrs ago and sat his coach down and said....sorry if this isnt to your liking but we moving on from player A...B...etc...
And the part of the not playing up to snuff...well do some better coaching perhaps....or actual coaching....and if your staff beneath you isn't getting things done, then as the HC replace them...too much back slapping....buddy buddy stuff here....Thats a good thing to a point but you also have to be cut throat and cold too at times.....
I think it was the sum of the parts really...Buck started out well....but ZC was also a better QB then...with better pieces...when he started to degrade, and we had to use and integrate a lot of new bodies...and some guys with minimal to zero experience...Buck couldnt adjust his playbook, or his calls
Hogan now....is limited in what he can actually do, due to lack of experience and being a first time OC at the pro level....also think he has a bit of an ego that needs to be put in check....couple that with the worst receiving group in the league...and a less than 100 percent BO...well we getting what is to be expected....crap sandwiches
If we had a coach that was keeping inferior players on the regular for some unknown reason, we would see these players surfacing elsewhere and realizing their potential. I don't see a single guy we brought in that is making any sort of meaningful impact anywhere else. Can you name on guy who we passed on that is more than a rotational guy anywhere else? Therefore your theory that we are letting gems slip through the cracks isn't really supported by anything tangible. Not saying it isn't the case, maybe it is, but at this point that's purely conjecture.
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10 minutes ago, 17to85 said:
I liked buck for the most part, just last year he seemed to get stupid, but that might also have been collaros problems.
Yes and no. Surely Collaros made some bad decisions, but mostly because Buck allowed him to do so. Sometimes and OC has to take the green light away and that was Buck's biggest flaw.
What we have in Hogan will be really put to the test with Schoen and Wilson (almost certainly going to be cut by the Jets) set to join us soon. That vastly improves our receiver set. If our offence can't get on track with the addition of these two guys then we know we have a huge problem at OC.
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4 minutes ago, 17to85 said:
When has Eli ever been put in at centre? And if he's awful why is he here? Kolankowski is a bottom teir starter on this team, should be a priority to replace rather than untouchable.
As for neufeld, why threatened? Old, often injured or playing injured....
Neufeld has been rock solid the past several years. Old? Yes. Still playing good football? Yes. Really kind of an odd guy to pick if you are talking about a guy not earning his spot. Has Eli ever gotten a chance at C? Nope, has he earned that chance? Nope. The guy is here because if he ever gets it together he has all the skill in the world, unfortunately, he doesn't seem to bring it on game day. I am no huge Kola fan by any stretch of the imagination but thinking we have an in-house replacement for him right now is wishful thinking.
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1 minute ago, johnzo said:
has there ever been a Bomber OC that MBB liked? Looking at the recent OCs...
Marcel Bellefeuille -- emergency scrap heap guy, best of many bad options at the time who somehow hung on too long
Lapo -- too cerebral, no killer instinct, bad playcaller
Buck -- ruined Streveler, predictable playcaller.
Hogan -- worse than Buck. seen wearing backwards hat and sunglasses.
seriously, I don't think I can recall an OC who was good enough for this board.
Yea...I think you could say that about every football forum ever in any pro league. An OC has never been good enough even when they clearly have been. That being said, I am not a huge Hogan fan right now. Sometimes a football forum does have a valid reason for criticism. That being said, Walters didn't give the coaching staff much to work with in the passing game.
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12 minutes ago, Booch said:
nobody is off the hook...been a major crap show since January...no foresight....real plan...no forward thinking....zero succession in place for most part anywhere...lot of hopium tho
Walter's tho is the guy with say in releasing him...who knows if Osh fought it and still wanted him around or not...I tend to think he probably did based on Osh history with players and his reluctance to even bench a guy....let alone admit as soon as it apparent a guy is not good enough.
Doesn't want to appear as if he wrong or made a mistake....and will keep pounding square pegs into round holes over and over and over....history shows us this
Is it an ego thing?...who knows....but it's a serious flaw
None the less....the success and the flops and shitshow stuff is a collective of Walters and his team....and Osh and his....and of late...been more flopping and shittin round here....have they ran their course...an epic failure this yr to me says yes and change in order....this cant continue and be allowed to fester
I can agree that it's not one or the other, both management and coaching staff are not performing well. My point is that at the end of the day, talent level is a GMs job not a HCs. How that talent performs on the field is coaching. We have a talent defiiciency for sure, and the talent we do have is not performing up to snuff...or at least to the level we now demand as an organization. Top teams stay top teams by demanding excellence and we are not getting it from Walters on down to the players on the PR.
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23 minutes ago, Booch said:
well...Hardrick...Desjarlais...Couture...Chungh....Dobson basically all left for more money.....(Goosen retired so Couture stepped in) ....We have turned over some guys indeed but not really by choice...we figured they were not worth the cost and didn't really have a lot left in the cupboard as it slowly eroded away....so to say we swapped a ton based on seeing Guy B is better than Guy A...isnt necessarily true
Even the tackle in MTL who has played well for them we let go....Kolo has sucked for a while now....But Osh thjinks he's just great...Same with Thomas....we have guys who can replace them, as starters...even punt off the roster....but nope
Yeah...Neuf is solid....not sure why many here think he's a weak spot.....compensating for a weak center thjo will affect both guards
Eli is more than good enough....kinda funny people think he not...when have we seen him given the center spot and run with it for a period of 3..4 games....never......Kolo was grabbed off scrap heap languishing there for 2 yrs...nobody wanted him...we grabbed him as a deep depth piece and an injury got him in the lineup...Osh likes sub par Canadian players and will keep them in lineup for whatever his reason/agenda is....but our lie started to falter ever since...and since he has gotten older and skills (what minimal ones he had) erode even more...we are looking worse and worse
agreed ....
Eli might be good enough, but he certainly hasn't earned any opportunity with his play thus far. If he wants the job, and this is the biggest problem with Eli, he has to perform. The guy has all the talent in the world but plays half arsed when he gets into the lineup. That is not even debateable. Any time we have called his number he doesn't show up to play at the level he probably can. Problem with Eli isn't talent level, it's effort level. If he wants the job, he needs to demonstrate that he will bring it.
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5 minutes ago, Booch said:
well if it was all you say....took friggin long enough...so who knows.....and a call doen to the sideline could have happened...and yes...it does...seen it first hand
None the less....I have minimal faith in the staff to consistently do right thing or make right decisions until proven otherwise....and thats based on what we have all seen....putrid coaching in a lot of areas...instances....
exactly...if it took dear leader that long to see it....then yeah he isnt the best and actually seeing what the issue is....after game 4 he should have been parked....not game 8
I'm not going to argue that he should have been sat earlier, or that our coaching could use improvement, but a call down to the sideline? Nope not buying it for one second. I'm not going to let Walters off the hook just as you won't let Osh off the hook. IMO, Walters is the worst of the underperformers. Guy has had a terrible last 2 seasons in the job.
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4 minutes ago, Pete said:
Neufeld looked worn out by the 4th qtr, Eli isnt good enough to rotate in regularly, we need another olineman,
Ratio becomes a factor with Logan and Woods also seeming ready to return
Neufeld and all big men occasionally look like they are done for by the 4th Q. Did you have a problem with his play? I agree that at the moment we could use another NAT OL for our PR. Fact of the matter is that we are almost certainly not going to find a NAT OL that is nearly as good as Neufeld either internally or externally. That needed to be done in the offseason. It is not a case of a coach being loyal to a fault to a veteran when the veteran is by far and away the best option.
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19 minutes ago, 17to85 said:
Mostly through injury or departure though... kolankowski was purely an injury fill in and he had never once been in danger of being pulled out. Neufeld can be injured all training camp and never feel pressure to lose his spot...
Why would Neufeld feel threatened? He has been a stud for us. Who should replace Kolankowski? Eli? He has been awful when we have put him in. I get that our OL is not good enough right now, but changing out players for weaker players just to try something almost never works out.
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15 minutes ago, 17to85 said:
Guy had 1/3 of a season to prove what everyone else already knew, that he wasn't good enough, before he was demoted and released... let's not pretend it reflects on the coaches in some positive light here.
The guy was benched and then released. PERIOD. To say that it was Walters that made that decision is nonsense.
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2 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:
He'll never gt the chance to play Center with Osh here.
Yes, because we have never let young OL get into our starting lineup. I mean c'mon...you guys are laying it on a bit thick. We have swapped out a ton of guys on our OL over the years.
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On 2025-08-17 at 11:26 AM, Booch said:
Yup...everything he has done is the right call...do it again...he just can't admit failure or he screewdd up...same with roster...if it isnt injury dictated he won't change a thing as it shows he screwed up in player choice
The Bridges release was an utter shock...almost think it was Walter's maybe who said enough is enough...cause there is still a few guys who if not cut or PR'd shouldn't be playing....at the least starting or getting premium reps
That's nonsense. It was the coaches who sat him out prior to his release. It was the coaches that forced him to the PR. At least give credit where credit is due instead of coming out with some narrative to explain away one of there better moves. You are showing your bias.
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My bad....didn't think anyone else would pick him up after his 2nd release. Point remains tho, he was a dud of a draft pick by any measurable.
No call from upstairs? Happens all the time is what I heard.
I would not be against a ratio flip for an IMP C.
Bryant and Neufeld are not the problem with our OL at all.