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On 2025-11-10 at 9:49 AM, ShyGuy said:
I can't believe the Lions bailed Mace out the way they did.
He really thought... I need at least one touchdown to close out the game, its 3rd and 5 with 3 minutes left... I've already gone for it inside the 5 on third down this half and made it...but no, I am gonna kick a field goal and give the ball to the best offense in the league, with the presumptive MOP and I am going to get the ball back... and it worked! They got the ball back! And then they promptly throw 2 incomplete passes! 3rd down game is on the line but nah, it worked once, lets do it again! And the Lions go two and out again... and the 2nd down play call is so **** the CFL.ca play by play doesn't even count it so it looks like the Lions ran 1 play and then immediately punted it. And now the Riders need to make it 75 yards and score a touchdown in a minute and they do.Like... if the CFL had robust enough stats to calculate a winning percentage those plays would have affected it negatively. The Rider fans were even going for the exits!
Coaches get lucky on bad decisions sometimes. Usually over the course of a career faulty logic will burn you more often than not.
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43 minutes ago, wbbfan said:
Even out side of FA, bc swung a deal last year involving an elite imp T.
He said She said. I would not be surprised at all if Walters and Mos came to be at significant odds with the roster. Especially when you look at guys going from favorites to released/un signed like the marine.
GM has final say. If Walters didn't like the marine he could have released him, He's the guy that makes the call to the league office. Again, we are striving to let Walters off the hook around here. GM has final say on who is available to any coach. Just a cold hard fact. I look at all the complaints about who was rostered and still see nobody better behind them with maybe the exception of Jake Thomas.
9 minutes ago, wbbfan said:We should have a Poll on this thread.
Personally, I think Mos goes. This has always been the job, especially working under pinball and with more control. We have all known that from the day he was hired.
I think Walters stays, and Wade continues for the time being. I've never thought Wade would keep this role for 15+ years.
Wade should maybe make a call to Buono for his legendary referral services... He's been involved in probably half of the franchise turn overs since he retired.
If Walters stays I hope WM gives him a very short leash because he has been Waldo for two years now. Walters CAN be a very good GM, he needs to show up to work tho. That being said, I hope we clean house.
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23 minutes ago, Dr Zaius said:
Do you mean what you hear from people in the know?
Or do you mean your read on the situation?Unless you are sitting on Wade Miller's lap the past few weeks, it would be hard to find info from anyone else imo. None that is particularly credible. There are those who are pretty good at reading the tea leaves, but I doubt anything has been discussed outside of the mafia right now. They know wassup and that is probably it. That being said, I think Atomic's post is a likely scenario.
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Just now, wbbfan said:
Our need exceeds the availability. Imo, 1 stud imp or other wise. The best Ol you can get, FA or trade.
Scheming and removing kola would help. That with an optimal ol line up would certainly make us respectable.
But the journey to being a team that dominates in the trenches, is long.
Yes we could use a guy like Drew Desjarlais back. Maybe Manu frees up....lol.
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6 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:
How many stud NAT hit free agency? Ditto Stud OL?
Not sure. There are some every year though. Last year alone we lost two in FA.
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Just now, sportmentary2012 said:
Agreed Plus Collaros is at the end of the road with no heir apparent.
Seems to be for sure. I don't think we replace Collaros this year because there doesn't seem to be many options and he has a large portion of his salary guaranteed. However, I think our QB room behind him is getting a massive shake up. I don't see Streveler or Wilson back.
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9 minutes ago, Goalie said:
Yup. Oline can’t be fixed over night. DL could be. Potentially if you have the starting Canadians elsewhere.
It all depends how willing we are to free up cash elsewhere. We saw the Riders OL go from hot garbage to pretty good in an offseason. No reason we can't do the same. What we will need to do is cut some dead weight salary though. Jefferson/BO buys some nice beef along our lines. I don't give a crap that BO has been our supposed heart and soul. He is a RB and RBs are expendable if a team needs to free up cash. I will add the caveat though, one that has escaped KW over the past few years, that if you are cutting ties with an all star NAT it better be to bring another one in.
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5 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:
Our OL, DL, WRs need serious work. That seems like we're leaning into full rebuild.
If we get a new GM/HC their philosophy likely changes and we will see a ton more departure than just those three areas. Player here in the secondary/QB/RB, on STs, in depth are all here because they fit the mold of what we were looking for. I would not be surprised at all to see a new GM come in and immediately change our pay structure at many positions....RB for example. If we get a pass happy coach especially a player like BO may be deemed a luxury but not a must have....and honestly I'm ok with that.
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1 hour ago, wbbfan said:
100%. It’s the split of blame, and who/if they can improve for next year.
OK that's fair. They are connected at the hip. Bottom line tho, if KW does his job he reigns in MOS. For all intents and purposes are criticisms of MOS are in one area, roster building. A good GM would have cracked the whip on that based on results and MOS's mistakes would not be happening over years. KW at the end of the day is his boss, like any employee MOS needs a boss to keep him on point not a boss who lets him do whatever he wants.
33 minutes ago, 17to85 said:Look I love Mike oshea and everything he has done for this team.... but if you can't recognize that he has had roster construction and usage issues from the get go then I don't know what to tell you... it put him on the hot seat prior to winning in 2019! We've seen Kyle Walters be a very active and pragmatic GM before so I have a really hard time believing that he's just changed so much that he can't be that guy anymore. Maybe he's lost his fire too, but from my perspective it appears that Oshea has a hell of a lot of input and Walters is just giving Oshea what he wants.
If a boss allows an employee to do whatever they want and repeat mistakes are they a good boss? Do they deserve the benefit of the doubt even if it is the star employee? I would rather get rid of a bad boss than an employee who was given no direction.
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55 minutes ago, Booch said:
sorry that you cant grasp I have player relations outside the norm and you just act like a petulant child about it...and going off some "media" sound bite or speculation...is prob the lamest way to interpret "inside" the room or player thoughts...but just be you....Yiu the man and are never wrong....
correct....No G.M worth a used jock will want to walk into a organization where he is forced a staff upon him...85 to 95% of time a G.M is etained and a HC change occurs...less upheaval organization wise and easiest to correct....if the following yr same issues occur...then he is gone...If both arent canned it is usually always the HC...and or Co-Ords first...well in well ran organizations...and we can all agree we have become the benchmark in well ran....up until recent, but is it a HC issue...or overall?...the smart money says it's HC
and this is the time to move....if we re-up and he still coaches like a stubborn brain dead guy looking at 2019...then we just handcuff ourselves further into the wandering in the drakness on the hook for his salary and killing our coaching cap
you have to remember...GCn20 is either Osh's mom...Wife...whoever....but he will fall on the knife of Osh is da bomb and it;s everything and everyone elses fault...even tho Osh picks the roster...chooses who dresses and gets major reps, and refuses to use beneficial rules...chooses to play injured guys....uses excessive Canadians when not needed, and when they not better than an import...
well kinda...Walters has no say or input on the game day roster...plan....etc...basically anything really once camp breaks....and that's what you want....A meddling G.M is a disfunctional organization...That being said tho...should he have maybe had a few "discussions"?? hell ya, because Osh has basically driven the team right into the dirt
Sorry you are butt hurt that someone doesn't believe completely unsubstantiated rumors from an anonymous internet poster. I believe someone putting their actual name to something, and citing their sources, 100000x more than a guy who claims to have inside access but is wrong more often than he is right when he cites it. You have not given me, or any other person here, any reason to believe you with anything more than a "trust me bro". You might have these amazing connections to the team you brag about, but you just as easily might be full of ****. Both are likely, with based on the history of team forums, the latter being 100x more likely. You are an anonymous person on a fan forum claiming to have inside the locker room knowledge. If you think that I am alone on my skepticism over your claims you are mistaken. I am just a member willing to put my skepticism out there. Don't take it personal, it's just that you have provided nothing to back up your insider knowledge claims therefore we have to go off your accuracy level when citing it and it isn't great.
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On 2025-11-11 at 7:14 PM, sportmentary2012 said:
I think this is directly related to next season. Do you think if he leaves that the Bombers will be worse off next year?
Yes..but only because if he leaves we will be massively rebuilding
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16 hours ago, 17to85 said:
Because Kyle walters didn't dress 3 injured receivers in a Grey cup game... walters gave oshea a backup NI who could play and signed cfl vets for the pr... Kyle walters didn't put collaros out Ina grey cup game when he couldn't even grip a ball.... these are oshea roster issues that are independent of the gm. It's stuff like that which has garnered the target on O'Shea's back.
I'm not defending MOS, and I can give you a laundry list of poor GMing over the past 3 years as well but crickets about that. We don't play Dolegala in a Grey Cup and MOS is the worst coach ever, we lose an all star team of talent in two off seasons and it's all nothing to see here...carry on. It just seems over the top. Even have some posters suggesting that Walters did a great job but MOS ruined it which is insane.
MOS is likely going to Toronto so we don't need to worry about him coming back, but KW should be given the shoe as well,
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16 hours ago, JuranBoldenRules said:
You can't really separate O'Shea and Walters if you're trying to play the blame game.
True. However, I am simply pointing out the pretty disproportionate amount of blame being assigned to each around here.
18 hours ago, Slimy Sculpin said:I think that you've got it wrong. In most pro sports organizations, the GM hires and fires the HC not the other way around. And most GMs have at least "two kicks at the can" (i.e., They get to hire two HCs before their neck is on the line.) IMO, it'll be O'Shea who will be gone, whether he's hired by the Argos or fired by Walters. Of course, Miller (with input for the BOD?) could fire both of them.
And I don't believe that after 10 years that is particularly applicable in this case.
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2 hours ago, sportmentary2012 said:
Fair point about Hardrick but they really have let the oline go. He may have needed the change of scenery.
Don't forget they chose to stay with an injury prone Shoen receiver over lawler. I will guess management knows something about lawler we mere posters Don't know.
There is absolutely no reason in the world we couldn't sign both Lawler and Schoen. We had just done it the year before.
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24 minutes ago, wbbfan said:
Just a note, lofton hasn’t figured in this last year. Randolph was the rt starter. Between rando and vanterpool I’m pretty happy with our imp ol talent. Gotta dig up new guys every year, and I think we need to be starting 3 imps minimum
ATM. I'm not seeing how we can compete otherwise. Unless we go big in FA at NAT OL, we don't have the horses in house to be a good OL without 3 IMPs. I would target a good NAT OL if I were Walters replacement.
1 minute ago, rebusrankin said:Call me crazy but I would not bring Jefferson back. I don't think he's worth 200k.
I'm with you on that. If he takes a shave fine, but not at 200k. Those days are behind him.
1 hour ago, Bigblue204 said:Sterns should be a priority imo. Along with Woods/Vaughters and Jefferson, those guys can still get after it. They just need the right rotation and scheme. Not sure what you see in Bonds. I'd take Houston before him along with Makonzo and Kramdi. Parker can hit the road imo. He's been talked up big on this board but was often a liability out there outside of not being able to stay healthy. They can 100% find a punter better than Sheahan. Especially with the new rules coming, they need to prioritize a guy who kick the ball sky high (on side punts will hopefully be big).
I'd also bring back every Olineman. No team will be succesful with that amount of turnover on the Oline. It's 100% a recipe for disaster. Bring them back, let them fight it out in camp and ideally you find a body or two there to replace the old timers.
I would not bring back every OL, but you are right a couple newcomers could make all the difference.
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23 hours ago, Tracker said:
O'Shea for all his faults is not (entirely) stupid. He has to know that his track record for the past 3 seasons was damning and if he wasn't going to be fired this year,, given his personality, it would be next. There is a saying that if you are at the edge of a cliff, if is better to jump than be pushed- you have a better choice of where you land.
I an and have been convinced for some time that O'Shea's time here was done as he had become a liability. I am waffling about Walters. If he was privately dissatisfied with O'Shea and was engaged in a lost-lose-lose power struggle with O'Shea, then perhaps, with O'Shea gone, he can right the ship. My gut says that was likely the case. Nonetheess, if he leaves, clearing the decks might not be a bad idea.
Sempre avanti!
How is his record for the past 3 years damning? This year definitely. However, the two years before that he has West division champs and Grey Cup reps on his resume. If you think that's damning you are huffing paint fumes. The only people who would call that failure are living on cloud 9. Did we win the cup...nope. However, winning your division and becoming your division's cup rep isn't something that any reasonable person would call failure.
What was clear in the past 3-5 years is that Walters allowed a huge talent drain to happen. That is undeniable. If anyone should be on the hot seat it is him. MOS as well to a lesser extent, but I will be extremely disappointed if Walters is our GM going forward. If he is then he needs to wake up and start doing his job.
I can live with MOS coming back with a new GM that actually holds him to account. MOS is a great coach who needs to get out of his own way on a few things. If Walters had done his job maybe we aren't even discussing MOS's rosters etc. At the end of the day, the buck stops with Walters on both talent, and on the performance of the HC. I am really unclear why so many people are hyper focused on MOS (not that he doesn't deserve criticism as well) but barely a word about just how poor Walters has been over the past 3 years especially.
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On 2025-11-10 at 8:41 PM, wbbfan said:
He didn’t play D, he got in on teams. Didn’t build him up into any one. Doesn’t play any thing like biggie and never said he did or that he would be biggie.
Can’t not play a guy and say he’s a miss.Also, I said one of many cases.
Got a link to any thing saying he was a cancer?
I’m betting the source will be “trust me bro”
Nope, my name's not Booch. It was discussed on Winnipeg Sports Talk by Andrew Paterson a couple weeks ago or so. He qualified it as something that he never heard directly from anyone in the organization but was making it's rounds amongst the media. Apparently he showed up to camp out of shape, and then wasn't happy about his playing time and let everyone know about it. Don't have a date or a time, but it's on one of their podcasts if you care to dig deeper.
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25 minutes ago, wbbfan said:
we do though. Since mos kept wanting to start/roster the marine till walters cut him in the off season. The fact we dished out for jonathon jones then didn’t play him shows the disconnect as well. and who in the marriage is the one married to old guys that are his favourites.
We can go back in time to when guys started then got cut that mos liked. It’s happened a lot, and mos is pretty straight forward in his opinion on guys like jake.
Walter’s has kept bringing some back to keep mos happy. But has weeded out many over the years. The each have fault, and the real problem is their weaknesses scale multiplicatively for us in the worst direction.
Yep. was down to miller, jackson, maksymic, and hogan for a good while.
Jonathan Jones sucked when we did play him and was reportedly no better in the dressing room. I get you wanna defend him because you really built him up as our next Bighill...but the reality is he was a swing and a miss by Walters not MOS.
We got enuff reasons to not shed a tear if MOS leaves but JJ isn't one of them. Our biggest mistake was keeping him around too long when he became a cancer
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I am physically sick to my stomach. I am giving away my Grey Cup tix to Hamilton fans
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24 minutes ago, Booch said:
If osh is back...and i hope hes not...but if so...it better be on a short leash and any resemblance as to whats gone on of late...and games that look like this yr...that fire button better be pressed
I think bringing him back is a huge risk sms wise cause if he just continues as he has..and we need to cut bait...and who really thinks he will change? Then we on hook with money to him on the coaching cap aspect
Yup...somewhere along the way in 2022 to this yr we lost the plot..the foresight...ability to project and the ability to make the tough decisions...can these 2 get back to that? Maybe? But if they can't and we committ again...only to have to can them...then we really gonna be wandering in the wilderness for a few yrs...they did it before...was it just lightning in a bottle and things just lined up perfect? Or was it from actual things they did...and then got too fat and complacent?? There's arguments for both cases...huge decisions coming here that could affect us for a few yrs running...in either direction..
My opinion is that they can easily get back to where we were at but they need Wadzilla to remind them that we don't live on past results.
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10 hours ago, Booch said:
Yeah...can't live in past...no reason for his return especially if you have youth...or if someone in FA comes available
T.Jones too...misleading stats...not outstanding in any aspect...but a great DA to augment the game day roster...no way shape or form should he be pencilled in as a returnerning starter...and only way he won't be is if Osh is removed...history and track record tells us so
And it started with the lowballing of Jeffcoat...and refusal to pay Sayles and Stove and Kongbo...but keep slop like Thomas..Schmeck...Korn...
We have never recovered...same can be said with center...we coulda retained Couture...or signed a FA center if for anything to compete...or tried Eli..who has never got a real opportunity...but chose to roll with an undersized..under skilled scrap heap guy nobody wanted for 2 yrs on the street cause Osh liked whatever it is about him...and its not talent
Can't argue with any of that. Some poor gm work compounded by poor coaching. That is our decline in a nutshell
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HC has final say on how talent is assembled, GM has final say on what talent is available to the HC. That's how it works on our team, and every other team out there. Our lack of talent is 100% on the GM. We sit here and grouse about guys like Jake Thomas, but it is Kyle Walters that keeps putting contracts in front of him. Every offseason is an opportunity for the GM to get rid of or keep talent. The HC does not have any form of final say on the roster in that time. It is 100% the GM's job and responsibility as to who will be out there come June. If you know you have a player that you should move on from, even if he is a coaches favorite, it is 100% (and this can't even be disputed) up to the GM to have a tough conversation with a player and the coach who loves him and then swing the axe. It amazes me that you would think otherwise. During the season, it is tougher on the GM to do that for sure, but at the end of the day he is the boss and the HC is the employee. If that is not the way it works in Winnipeg then Walters isn't doing his job properly.
This isn't some new phenomenon, for crissakes Walters signed Collaros to a 2 year extension the year after he clearly looked cooked. Is that on MOS? Not a chance. We've been talking about Thomas for the better part of 3 years now. Walters re-upped him twice. Walters hands out the contracts not MOS.