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42 minutes ago, 17to85 said:
Collaros needs too much help at this point. The issue though he's paid like a guy who can carry the team which means he gets less help.
I fully expect him to contend for MOP this year.
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16 hours ago, Noeller said:
I'm 45 and just starting to get over similar trauma. Ha ha.
As for the financials, I'm just filled with so much pride. I ******* love this organization so ******* much... I'm so proud to be a STH.... Jacked to get back to the barn this summer.
I'm not gonna call it trauma because my Dad was an awesome guy, it was the 70's and that's how it was done in my little redneck town I was raised. No regrets...I wouldn't repeat that now but in the big scheme of things it didn't mess me, or my childhood friends from similar upbringings, up too much...lol.
14 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:That is awesome. We all know these financial ups & downs are cyclical. The question is how long can the team continue to make $$$ before the downturn inevitably comes.
Well, can't control the downturns a lot of the time. However, having these kind of numbers in a time that a lot of people are counting pennies due to inflation is very encouraging. Just keep winning, or at least be contending, and it looks like the Bombers should be just fine.
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On 2025-04-07 at 7:57 PM, SpeedFlex27 said:
My neighbourhood soccer team was a little tougher than yours. We kids had a choice between Crown Royal & a 7up. None of that sissy diet stuff. Or we could have a beer like Molson Canadian. If we won, the best player on the field got a pack of smokes. Export A Plain. Hey, it was the 1960's. We played in the fog on our bikes wearing no bike helmets or masks when they sprayed DDT for mosquitos in the summer. And no one made us stop.
Sounds a lot like my Dad may have been your coach.
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I really didn't like the way that Buck almost completely abandoned all the pre-snap motion we used to have in our offence. I am not sure why that happened, maybe all the new receivers? At any rate I think it hurt our offence, particularly when Streveler was playing. I am hoping our new OC brings some of that back, It may lead to some growing pains early on, but we were so vanilla the past two years and not just in the play calling but it can be seen pre-snap. That leads me to believe this was way more of a Buck issue than a Zac issue.
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28 minutes ago, wbbfan said:
Honestly, camp isn't nearly what it used to be. The limitations on impact, banning of junk like Oklahoma drill, length, etc, have de-toothed it significantly. It isn't like the old days where the 2 a days had guys re-tapping raw skin and doing 2 full run-throughs of full contact and high exertion. The off season for players is also far more active, and you don't need to do nearly as much reconditioning.
Now that said you still have to be smart, not like chris jones blowing out a half dozen guys ACLs per day for the first few days.
Frankly, I don't care if the vets sit half the day or every other day or what ever they need to. As long as they can be ready to play 1q of the first preseason game, 1 half of the 2nd, and be at full pop for the first regular season week. Aside from injuries in camp and guys coming back from injuries, if a vet can't consistently do that, they are probably done anyway.
Yea,,,I agree. I will caveat that hoggies are a bit of a different breed when it comes to how you prep them though. They need enough wind to play but the veteran big guys just need enough to get the chemistry back. Nothing more really.f
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3 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:
Pretty gruelling for those poor old guys.
TC is a slog even for the young guys. Guys like Paddy, you are just inviting injury by working them hard in camp. They have nothing to prove and do not need the reps. I agree, that they should be out there and getting some reps and a bit of game time but they don't need a lot, especially the hogs.
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9 hours ago, wbbfan said:
I don’t think he got lucky in the wf, if any one was lucky it was buck.
I think he’s had two good strong games in the play offs here, and they are similar. He was able to get his deep shots. That’s kind of how it goes with Zach. He could score a td on every drive, or complete barely 10 in a game and toss a bunch to the wrong team. Hes always been that guy. Live by the sword die by the sword. I get rolling with that a few years ago.
I don’t think zach is zach any more. I’m not expecting to see 3-4 td passes in a half or score on every drive into the 4th any more. I think his injuries from the past season and a half ish. I think he’s injured and aged to a point where he just isn’t that same guy.
At this point, I would take other guys over Zach right now going into the season. Straight up, I’d rather bank this year and the future both on any of Dru/rourke/vaj. I wouldn’t be happy paying rourke that money, and I’m not sold on Adam’s maturity/culture. But I’d still take the risk on those guys. Even just for this year. The fact all 3 should play as good if not better next year is a bonus.
Id love to be wrong, and I think the oc/ol changes and wr health will go far to help Zach. But at this point I kind of expect us to finish with another qb as our starter one way or another.
Look, I'm not sitting here trying to give Zac a free pass. He needed to be, and needs to be better. I am simply stating the obvious that in the past 3 Grey Cups he has gone up against juggernaut defences while our defence allowed late game heroics by opposing QBs. Should Kelly ever have been able to come off the bench and beat us? Fajardo take it to us in the 4th Q? Arbuckle actually do anything productive let alone beat us? There is more to these losses than Zac's play that's for sure.
I would take Dru or Rourke over Zac now too. Sadly, that option is not available to us. Vaj...nope...I'll stick with Zac thank you.
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4 hours ago, wbbfan said:
The thing is his bad games have very largely been in the post season with all kinds of teams around him. That kind of consistent struggle is worthy of criticism.
Sport performances are biased towards play off success. From Marino to big shot bob. Expectations are higher in the play offs, success and failure are amplified justly.I have no issue with criticism of a QB in the playoffs as long as it comes with praise when he does well also. You were deriding, rightfully so, his play in Grey Cups lately but then suggesting he got lucky in the good games he played. I don't think either of those opinions are a complete story. When his team has played well and executed so has he, when they haven't he hasn't. Is he able to lift a team badly playing up to victory..nope..but I don't see anyone in the CFL right now who can.
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30 minutes ago, johnzo said:
Yeah, the Riders D was beyond horrible that day. We won the game, we deserved to win it, but we did not have a worthy opponent on that day.
As for all the multiverse talk of us winning 2024 with a non-Zach quarterback -- I don't believe it. The Argos D was playing out of their minds all game. It works have been a huge steal for us to beat them. They deserved the win.
Every game has busts by the opponents D. How our QB, receivers etc recognized the opportunity and executed was the difference. I have never been to a football game where I haven't been yelling at the QB that so and so is wide open down the seam, or watch the QB get sacked just as he recognizes the bust. It's not all on what the Riders gave us, it was equal parts how we used it. Were the RIders D making mistakes...yep...but every defence does every game.
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45 minutes ago, Booch said:
to a certain extent....many tho have blind bias too...there's a difference...But a HC shouldn't use his as a way to form a roster when talent trumps his bias...and it's blatantly obvious
Part of that lack of burst tho is how they are asking them to play.....we need to turn them loose and be in attack mode....thats what happens when you employ guys in the middle with no push....finesse and brute stuanchness
We played a safe contain system to mitigate a soft under belly....and was a problem we self inflicted on ourselves with the stubborn insistence to give 75% of snaps to weak DT's and a MLB who we refused to move on from until he got hurt
Fix the middle (including MLB)...and your ends flourish.....center out...just like the oline...fix the center and guards all of a sudden look like all-world
100 percent....but it's also who yhou are putting out there too to make it work...we don't/didnt turn our ends loose...due to the lack of any disruptor...let alone even a guy who was just a run stuffer in the middle for way too may snaps
Look back at tape and when we fielded certain sets....we played a different game...and would get pressure from multiple angles...when we fielded a different set...we had ends hanging back looking to find a opening and or contain and had a soft middle that got washed out, or just repositioned to where the offence wanted to take them as we relied on our DB's to shut it down...Thank god we had a good secondary and guys like Griffin coming in a lot
We should not be at all surprised by this style coming from Younger. It was the exact same style he played with the Argos when he and Levingston etc were ball hawking the league. Younger excelled in that format, as did our DBs last year, but it means our QB rush quite often is an after thought.
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18 hours ago, wbbfan said:
Every thing clicked in that game. Ssk couldn’t even get in our way to slow us down. Probably peak buck, peak zach play off performance.
I think that performance was due to many factors, I think we’d a won easily in a lot of worst case scenarios.
Buck had a few good games that year. He showed some great game prep and adaption a couple times. I had a lot of optimism for him following that, if he took a step forward from his best moments of that year he’d be well on the road to greatness. I was bitterly disappointed that instead he collapsed to his worst level, sustained that and hit new depths.
A great oc is consistent, innovates new ways to succeed with game plans and adjustments and is always pushing his offence into the future. Buck flashed those things but never came close to sustaining them. That means he never hit great imo.
He’s still really young though. And a change of scenery could be just what he needs. Could well still become a great offensive mind. I like the guy a lot, but I’m glad he’s gone.We shouldn't blame him for his bad games, but discredit him when he plays great. There are a myriad of factors behind every great and poor performance a QB has. However, most will lay blame squarely on the QB when his performance appears off, so it's only fair to do the same when things are clicking....otherwise it's a biased take.
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1 hour ago, JuranBoldenRules said:
I'm kind of tired of the DE's being brought in with no burst. Give us someone who can get off the line and put some pressure on OT's to even get hands on them.
Seems like we're trying to lead the league in knockdowns instead of pressures. Greenwood looks very Garbutt/Wilcots style of plodding, work into the pocket, get into passing lanes style of DE. Would prefer a purer style of rusher given Jefferson is already that guy to watch QB eyes and be disruptive that way. I don't really want the whole DL playing basketball defense.
Could be that Greenwood is being looked at more as a 3 technique guy.
Hall seems more the style I'm after, but all his college film he's in a contain style 2 point stance. Would like to see what he can do with a hand down or pure 4 point sprinter style get off.
I don't mind the getting hands up in the passing lanes approach with the caveat that there has to be a disruptor to force those throws. So a pure pass rusher off the edge, or a DT that can get pressure consistently are a must this year. I love the system, but wish he would go conventional at times too. Keep the offence off balance.
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I really don't mind a TV guy coming in as commissioner. His prowess in that field should serve the CFL well as we look to expand our exposure in the USA.
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5 hours ago, wbbfan said:
It’s not bad faith, it’s actual football eval vs bad impressions. Acting and treating woli like he’s Jamie stoddard is arguing in bad faith.
What you’re missing is, if he came up as an imp he never would’ve been used as a primary blocker, and bc wasn’t a run heavy team. He would’ve been looking at a lot more pass catching volume. He has all the tools and has shown that here. He would’ve been much better off being viewed as a wr first and foremost.
People sleep on what woli is in term of size athleticism hands and football iq. He’s an excellent route runner and there is a damn good reason he is instantly a clutch target for every qb he’s played with.I like Woli as much as the next guy, but he isn't a 1000 yard guy that never got the ball thrown to him. That's just fallacy. In his first two seasons he was getting as many targets a game as Demski and for roughly the same YPC. In fact, that never really changed. Where Demski left Woli in the dust to become our 3rd receiver option was in his YAC and big play ability. Honestly, I don`t get the grousing when our 4thé5th receiving option received 4th and 5th option targets and opportunities. How can we say he was held back. He sure as heck wasn`t better than, and never will be better than, Schoen or Lawler or Demski or Brady O in the battle for targets per game. I am unclear why anyone would think Woli deserved targets over better receivers. He may get that somewhere else that doesn`t have the talent of our receiving group, but that certainly does not mean we held him back. We gave him the targets that he earned according to his place on the depth chart. That`s not holding someone back.
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52 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:
The draft is going to be huge for depth. Hopefully we land at least 3 guys who can contribute this year. As well, hopefully guys like Sampson and MCI can play a larger role in year 2.
Year one is adjusting to pro speed for most guys, year 2 should see many guys begin bringing their game.
2 hours ago, wbbfan said:we have used the second camp exemption a ton of times over the years. On one hand it likely leads to less Canadian guys in camps, but when you’re at 100 guys going down a couple might improve time and quality. Especially for junior camp invites.
Sucks they are doing that but I doubt it has any real impact whatsoever on anyone's roster.
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57 minutes ago, Noeller said:
I think that's a pretty ******* good 7 anyhow...
It's good...but a team is only as good as it's depth. SShhhh.,...don't tell the Riders, they haven't figured that out yet.
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9 minutes ago, wbbfan said:
Can’t say that at all, they were always injury ravaged despite having big names. Woli has never been the worst starting wr we have.
you aren’t basing that opinion off any level of football evaluation. You’re going off gut, and your gut is wrong.
Woli was the best wr in cali hs history. He was a 4 star prospect on most reports and a very close 3 on 24/7.
Do you want the removal of the ratio?
You arguing this in bad faith. The presumption of the argument is that Woli never comes in as a NAT but an IMP with the Lions. In that case, I don't see him getting any kind of a sniff of quality playing time or touches with the Lions either. The fact of the matter in all of this is that Woli could have been a reasonably productive WR for us or an outstanding possession/TE type of receiver. One will get you more touches and yardage, the other is way more valuable beyond the stats. Woli had an extremely important role within our offence and he did it well. We did not hold him back.
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15 minutes ago, Pete said:
right, what threw me off was not having Kolankowski or ELi listed, may not be our strongest national but we don't have much options.
Yea...we are definitely going NAT at centre one way or another.
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15 minutes ago, Pete said:
and Olivera . not sure Wallace qualifies just yet though. Only other option is Kelly at safety
He had Oliveira as Brady.
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8 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:
It was but their passing offense was humming. Could they have maintained that level all season? That was a talented receiving corps. Probably not but who knows if Adams could have reached 6,000 yards passing. Campbell in one decision just took it all away.
Whoever made that decision, it was the wrong one. And publicly, the HC will always wear it for all to see.
The Lions were put between a rock and a hard place. Rourke was ready to come back at a time that meant going over to get him. Why the Lions didn't trade Adams immediately after was their big mistake. That's a crap load of SMS sitting on the bench for the remainder of the season.
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10 hours ago, Stickem said:
So the Leo's blew their wad in a home Cup year...Don't see that as great management ...BUT all things considered would we be open to creeping over a bit in our 25' Cup year....Somehow I don't see it happening ....Didn't do it with our own guys in fa.... nor on anyone in fa for that matter... Maybe a big splash ....trade and cash for a position of need??......On second thought ....nah ...that's just not us
They went over because only one of their half million QBs could play at one time.
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1 minute ago, JuranBoldenRules said:
Depends on how you look at it RE adding picks. BC forfeits the picks but then they are added back at the end of each round for Calgary. Not sure how they decided they are added before the extra Canadian picks instead of after. Nice reward for failure for Calgary. Could be gifting them two impactful players for nothing…because BC f’d up.
To me, they are added picks. Teams lose their picks for supplemental draft and they aren’t handed out to other teams. Teams have lost picks for SMS violations in past years and they are just dropped from the draft.
Yea....this makes no sense whatsoever. The fairest way is everyone move up a slot like in past years.
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38 minutes ago, blue85gold said:
How was Woli not given a chance? He started for years.
Him and Demski are the reason no other Canadians got a chance at receiver.
Yea...he has a point on Petey and Simonise but Woli was literally starting the last 5 games of his year 1 and held the starter position after that. As for Petey and Simonise, they did play many snaps for us and we moved on. Sometimes it is unfair to say they never got a chance when their production was pretty meh in the snaps they were given. Neither Petey nor Simonise has done much of anything since they left so it leads me to believe they just weren't good enough.
When we release someone who actually produces somewhere else, the argument can be made we held them back but until then it's kind of unfair to criticize the brass for not playing inferior talent. I mean it's not like we held them on our PR until they were too old to be developed. Both Petey and Simonise were young enough when they left here that they could have shown they were being held back. Neither man did.
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2024/2025 CFL (non-Bomber) Off-Season Thread
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Good to know...does it have the cream cheese topping as well?
My post was just kind of being facetious a little. I don't expect him to be MOP, but I do expect a good season from him because I think BO and Logan will be a great tandem and a healthy Strev running a different offensive set will keep defences off balance.