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11 hours ago, Noeller said:
I've never seen so much whining coming off a 40-3 beatdown of the top team in the East...
Why does this surprise you? The whining started in 2023 and we've won our division twice and went to two Grey Cups in that time span. The agenda is strong here and wins won't get in the way of that. We could have pitched a shut out and people would be complaining how the defence could have not only secured the shut out but scored points if Jake Thomas didn't get his twelve snaps in that game.
17 minutes ago, outofprovincefan said:I think the "whining" is coming from the frustration in several of the other games this season.
Nah....we had the same whining in 2023 and 2024. It's just baked in now.
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19 hours ago, BomberBall. said:
This is just not true. Sure, a player or coach isn’t going to blab to some random fan asking a bunch of questions, but having known front office people and a few players throughout the years, they absolutely do give insight into their team. There has to be trust involved, but it definitely happens.
Insight....sure. They will not privately criticize their team or team mates outside the dressing room or give a lot away about locker room dynamics. Just doesn't happen. I won't name names, but during the Mike Kelly days, I had a former player who was a daily customer of mine at my sports bar. We got to know each other very well, he would come to my house couple times a week even for beers. He would talk about the team, but never in much detail and very diplomatically. If he had something bad to say he just wouldn't say it and he told me as much. He was a professional and this is ingrained in being a professional. He ended up on another CFL team during Kelly's reign, and when he came back to town he stopped in. That is when the truth came out. It was shocking because what he told me I would never have guessed from the hours I spent with him talking. They are extremely guarded and protective of the dressing room. If they aren't the leaders of the team will take them to task. If that doesn't work you usually see them down the road.
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20 hours ago, HardCoreBlue said:
Debatable.
Not even a little bit debatable. Fastest way to be shunned by your team mates is by talking dressing room with people outside the dressing room. I would bet big dollars that applies even more under FIFO. Players may talk to outsiders but it's more of them just kind of telling them whatever they wanna hear vs, the truth. If a guy loves the coach, the player will praise him. If the guy hates the coach. the player will go along with it. It isn't the truth. It's just a player, a lot of times, just humoring a fan.
18 hours ago, Arnold_Palmer said:Interested to see if Wheatfall gets back into the line up after the best game of the season from Zach.
If he's healthy he likely will.
20 hours ago, Goalie said:In 2025 with social media it’s definitely debatable
Those guys get an apple and a road map pretty quick.
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28 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:
I have no idea what the locker room dynamics are with the BB’s, the real stuff that goes on, the good and the bad and how all of this has facilitated and/or not facilitated their objective of being a championship team. All we do here is look from the outside and wonder or speculate based on the little we know (unless of course one has credible inside sources who minimize their bias’s when sharing that intel). This is the stuff I find interesting.
There is not a single person on this forum that can truthfully say they have any insight on the inner dynamics of the Blue Bombers dressing room. Not one member. There may be guys on this forum that occasionally might hear this and that but the source would have to be a disgruntled and unprofessional player, and therefore not a true representation of the locker room at all. No player with even an ounce of professionalism or commitment to the team would comment anything to anybody outside the confines of the locker room. PERIOD.
1 hour ago, HardCoreBlue said:You're right but aren't vets suppose to lead the way i.e., first guy out there last guy to leave?
Every single team in the CFL and even NFL uses vet cards but we do it and somehow our HC should be fired. What a nothing burger.
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On 2025-10-03 at 1:25 PM, rebusrankin said:
My point which you have ignored was that after the first three games, his performance has been so so. 34 yards per game and only a few over 50 yards. Its been in games with both Zach and Streveler.
My point which you ignored is that Mitchell's average over the same timespan is 22 yds per game. Therefore, I objected to your insinuation that Mitchell should have been in the lineup over Wheatfall. Look I'm just as happy as you that Mitchell finally put together a game over 50 yards but to offer that up as proof the Bombers were holding him back by being overly loyal to Wheatfall is pretty much a bogus theory.
Wheatfall earned his place, and I hope now that injury has opened up a bigger opportunity for Mitchell that he can lean into it and salvage his season.
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15 hours ago, rebusrankin said:
Honestly, to me Demski, Clercius and Wilson are three keepers at receiver. I like Sterns well enough too. To me that last spot be it Mitchell or Wheatfall needs an upgrade. Could also use another NI WR.
This has been fan ramblings on the Internet. Thank you for listening.
I'd be willing to roll with Wheatfall another year. The kid is essentially a rookie starter and he has been putting up decent numbers despite Streveler being our QB half the time.
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17 hours ago, rebusrankin said:
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344 yards in 10 games or 34.4 per game and over 50 4 times. So not productive through August.
How many of those games was Chris Streveler throwing passes? Pretty tough to blame our receiving corps for a dud QB. Yea, when Collaros came back everyone's numbers rebounded last game. Wheatfall didn't get that bump because he was injured. He has over 600 yards as a first year starter, those are pretty decent numbers. Just out of curiousity how many yards a game is Mitchell averaging this season? Yea...there is the fly in the ointment right there. 23 yds per game. That doesn't scream sit down Wheatfall because we are holding this guy back to me.
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19 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:
Wheatfall had 3 good games to start the year and then did fairly little but kept his spot.
Not really true. He was quite productive through August and then something happened and every receiver on our roster saw their numbers drop off a cliff. Oh yea we had no QB for several weeks. Hard to blame Wheatfall for that. He was on a 1000 yard pace up to that point.
I mean it would be a pretty big stretch to suggest the Bombers were wrong to start Wheatfall over Mitchell because Mitchell had a 60 yd game.
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On 2025-10-01 at 1:24 PM, ShyGuy said:
J Jones and D Mitchell is a perfect example of the duality of fans.
D Mitchell was a dud signing that O'Shea didn't want to use and was a mark against Walters
J Jones was a great signing that O'Shea didn't want to use and that is a mark against O'SheaPretty much pick your horse and ride or die with them🤣
Neither player could crack the roster out of training camp... it just happened that there was an apocalyptic amount of WRs that went down and more or less forced O'Shea's hand and now Mitchell is on the AR and Jones is on the scrap heap. Not outside the realm of possibility that if there was a significant run of injuries at LB Jones would probably still be around.
TBF there definitely seemed to be a bit more noise about why Mitchell wasn't on the AR as opposed to Jones so who knows what really was going on there.Keric Wheatfall is what happened. Mitchell is now looking productive in Wheatfalls spot. O'Shea explained this earlier this season that Mitchell was not well suited to what was available position wise. Mitchell has been a true pro and has bided his time. Good on him.
I would be willing to wager that J.Jones did not take the same approach.
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Has anyone considered that maybe J.Jones just didn't look good in our scheme or maybe he didnt get it, or maybe he half arsed it all year. What he did in Toronto is not relevant if he wasn't that player when he came here. I'm fairly certain we signed him to be that guy but sometimes a change of scenery can be bad for a player. We don't know Jack **** about why he wasn't playing other than the usual assumptions around here. I do know he played here and did not look good granted it was only one game, but the fact remains.
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10 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:
People like you that know nothing should say nothing.
Look who is talking. Does this conversation have anything to do with you but you? Maybe you should get a viagra so you aren't so grumpy all the time.
13 hours ago, Booch said:I never said that...he was unhappy tho...others too
Every prediction...my u are a funny ol codger tho...please continue...its entertainment personified
I also told people on here his first deal...tenure and dollar amount before it was released
I don't care what u think...many here do know the truth...and can verify but why should they to soothe your fragile ego?and sadly u aren't one and never will be
If anyone talks a lot of nonesense here....look in the mirror pumpkin
Name one who can verify.
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19 hours ago, Brandon said:
Dolegala and Patterson right now are an improvement over a guy who could only complete 3 passes in 4 quarters. No questions about it. Those 2 guys also have had more success in the CFL (see my post about throwing for more then 250 yards).
Look I was among the top Streveler fans, I used him as my avatar and pumped his tires and proclaimed that how could a guy stick in the NFL for a few years if he was a bum. I was more then willing to hand the guys the keys and let him take over. He's had his chances this season and is trending downwards and simply hasn't shown anything at all. This reminds me of me crapping on Nichols a few years back when a couple of people on these boards INSISTED that the guy wasn't shot and that we are to blame the coaches and everyone else. It's time to move on and try someone else it's not working at all. It's the CFL you CAN bring a QB in and have them at least give you a shot at winning (see Dolegala/Patterson putting up 250 yards on a terrible Saskatchewan team).
Wilson may also be a "jobber", but he hasn't been given a chance AT all. Why in the hell would the coaches not give the 3rd quarter to Wilson to see if maybe he can spark the O? At this point we've had numerous games where he should of been put into the game to at least give a change of pace or a different look to see if it would do anything at all. All of our faults this season has been a clear definition of insanity and it's frustrating as a fan that they havn't even tried to make a change for the better. It's like they are looking at 2019 and trying to milk the ever lasting last bit of juice from it. It's bizarre.
I think Wilson is better than both. I'm not arguing that Strev sucks as a starter, not at all, but suggesting that Walters had good competition for QB at camp is laughable.
13 hours ago, Booch said:No...u said he brought nobody in...which is 100 percent false
Nobody who could seriously challenge for a job.
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40 minutes ago, Booch said:
Yeah...a coach does tell a g.m potential free agents he would like...whats your issue dude?
You are just creating your narrative with assumptions...cause u are an osh sycophant...I've been in a coaches room...dealt with agents and scouts...involved in recruitment at NCAA level and yes pro.. and a coach does exactly what I said....your just talking crao now. Sorry to offend but u have minimal clue what u are talking about in this instance
And we...u....have no clue how a guy would perform that got cut loose with no real chance...none...to say every guy is a ham n eager is laughable and discredits a lot of what u said
Every import dt brought in the last 2..3 yrs and one we kept (woods/adams) would make us a better fence with reps given to Thomas...Korn...Schmeck...that dud we drafted that was practically 30..we don't need that spot as cdn to even meet ratio as it is...and if we did..flip the ratio...but we choose to let better players go...and play 2...sometimes 3 slugs there...that's on Osh...osh alone...not walters
And g.m builds the roster?? U just validated u have no clue...if the g.m is picking the roster then u have all kinds of issues and problems in your team hierarchy
With that stupid declaration...I guess KW sets lineup every game as that's him building the roster? Or is it the HC...who sets roster..and PR? Do tell...aka "building " roster
A HC clinging to old...past their prime...old and never had a prime...no upside other than ST play....and letting guys go in camp...who could be better...or have upside...that's not on the g.m
And if the new guy isnt getting it done enough...bring in more...keeping garbage and just slowing down the process isnt the way...but its been our way
Yeah....he just discredited himself with that b.s
He knows his stuff in regards to schemes and play creation...etc...but is just out in space with roster details...its just his opinion...not fact based
Honestly Booch, I think you are full of **** on this whole insider thing you are peddling here. So call me down if you wish but at least I don't pretend to have a network of insiders. Every prediction you've made around here based on "insider talk" has turned out to be completely false narrative. A couple years ago you told us that Willie J was unhappy and was leaving the Bombers because of Osh. He signed with us two days later. So cram it. I'm not buying what you are selling. I never once stated that the GM makes the game day roster, but he signs the players. THAT IS HIS JOB not O'Sheas and you saying otherwise just proves my theory that you are full of ****. You might be able to pull the wool over some guys around here but I've seen a thousand of you "insider" guys come and go from a thousand different forums. All suck and blow and this nonsense that our camp cuts were somehow allstars we let go is ridiculous. You've had a blind hate on for OSH for 3 years now and it is really making you biased. Like to the point you are making up stuff now and then being offended when some of us aren't stupid enough to believe it. You are literally defending Walters because you only want the heat on OSH. Like get serious man, Patterson and Dolegala....stupidest thing I've read all year.
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23 minutes ago, Booch said:
Walters dis bring in guys who have started and won...Dolegala...Patterson...but yiur BOi cut em....oh...sorry...Walters did cause he builds the roster....my bad
So quick to blame Walters but ignores what went on
Can I say hi Grampa Oshea? Your blind defence of him obviously means u related...or your just him
Ridiculous argument. Dolegala and Patterson is your Walters get out of jail free card. Good lord. You are really reaching here. Cut them? You bet your ass he cut them, and so would any other non-desperate HC in this league. Dolegala and Patterson are just like your bois Fox and Garbutt.....ham and eggers. Maybe we should look back on your comments about these two guys and how you thought Streveler was our future and then laugh even more at this assessment. Calling Dolegala and Patterson winners is an absolute knee slapper. Patterson can barely throw, he has a noodle arm and Dolegala has a rocket but can't read a defence. No coach in their right mind would have kept them even if they were up against WIlson/Streveler.
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1 hour ago, Noeller said:
I'll say it's definitely curious that we haven't heard anything from Walters in what feels like months....usually there's at least one mid season presser and with the team not looking great lately, you'd think he'd have said something ...
Couldn't care less if he never speaks to us again, but he needs to do something to the roster he created. It is garbage.
14 minutes ago, Booch said:Walters is always quite...even in the 2 cup yrs...and its a 2 headed monster...him and Osh...and to think otherwise is foolish
Hc always conveys type of player wanted...who he may want targeted in free agency and G.m and his team and HC will have multiple sessions together to all get on same page
You get the odd outlier guy a scout team may bring in who just fell in their lap...or is just too good to not bring in but for most part coach has Lotta say in what he wants...and in the end is the guy who decides who stays...who goes
Also the stubborn rigid ratio allocation is doing us no help...we don't flip or adjust it in any way to make us better...and that's poor roster management
With the Bombers you play 3 oline guys...2 recievers...1 rb...and a DT....but then over do it with a SAM...another DT...at times safety...for no reason whatsoever
We obviously pass on cdn talent in FA where we don't play a Canadian and instead of grabbing a top guy and bettering ourselves..and change the ratio...we say pass...and continue plugging in sub par guys in the usual spot...and dont upgrade said canadian talent....and in those spots...DT for example you could play legit import talent there...and be sigficantly better...
Our rigid approach is just dumb and isnt doing us any favors....
A HC doesn't come to a GM with a list of players from around the league, He may describe what he wants in a player but who is signed is on the GM ONLY!!!!!!! MOS did not hand pick any of our FA busts this year. MOS did not bring in any of garbage import DL we have been bringing in since Rigmaiden left. ALL ham n' eggers. You want so badly for MOS to be fired you are creating fictional scenarios where he is the puppet master and KW is Pinocchio. When it comes to our lack of talent on the roster it falls squarely, and SOLELY, on the GM. FULL STOP. The GM builds the roster. How it is employed and used (starting a RB at QB) is on the HC. When you see a roster that is so poor in depth like ours, you can't blame the coach for that. You can blame him for how he uses that roster, gameplan, etc. etc., but not talent level.
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12 hours ago, Gail said:
If CS is as bad as you say, why was he even out there? They had 2 other QB’s dressed, yet neither saw the field. How about we blame Osh, he’s the one who named him starter. The coaches have had all season to assess the roster and plan for injuries. If CS is the best they can come up with, that’s on them and the GM.
I agree. Most of it is on Walters for not providing any kind of acceptable level of backup QB, but MOS needs to get a guy out of the game that doesn't complete his second pass until the 4th Q. At some point yesterday he needed to make the change.
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Yesterday, we threw the ball a total of 8 times, we had 3 completions (one of which was a forward 5 inch toss to Dillon Mitchell) and an interception. Why? Two reasons. Our OC sucks, and our QB doesn't threaten any defence with his arm. Ottawa took the only throws Strev can consistently make away (and very simply I might add) because he cannot throw anything outside the hashmarks, to the intermediate and deep zones with any form of consistency. He is an awful passer. There is not getting around that, he should not be a QB in the CFL anymore. He is a gadget player and that's fine if he could successfully do that still but he can't. If we sign him again that GM should immediately lose his job.
For those wondering if WIlson can do better? Yes, he can. Two reasons. The First is he couldn't do worse. The second he is an actual QB whose arm you have to respect because he can make every throw on the field. Streveler can't, and never could, but we were able to successfully use him in the past because the D always had to respect his play action. Now they just run blitz him and he is screwed.
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15 hours ago, 17to85 said:
Yes? Sink or swim and quit this smartest guy in the room crap. Hand off to Brady on first, qb draw on 2nd. Great ******* plan. Let streveler run the same offense Zach gets and see what happens.
People seem to forget collaros has big int totals this year too AND has been concussed 3 times because he gets no blocking too. This offense sucks and qb IMO is the last reason it sucks.
Our defence was good yesterday, and so were our special teams. Anyone complaining about roster management this week has lost the plot. It is a miniscule problem compared to others in the big picture of this season. Unless you want to count continuing to start Streveler as roster management, then fire away on that one.
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12 hours ago, rebusrankin said:
Streveler looked good against BC. He looked terrible against Toronto, Hamilton and Ottawa. So 3 bad games as a starter out of 4. He looked terrible against Calgary, Toronto and Saskatchewan in relief. He's been awful and yet people keep making excuses for him. Collaros has the same oline, WRs and OC and he's looked light years better than Streveler.
I don't understand what people are seeing in Strev as a QB around here either? He is never going to be a quality starter in this league and is barely an acceptable back up.
12 hours ago, 17to85 said:I disagree that collaros has looked light years better to be honest. Collaros looks like crap in this offense too, and even when he does look good, the offense is still largely ineffective, but people fall all over themselves to make excuses for it because collaros is infallible because of what happened in 2019 and 2021.
Collaros was a 1000x better than Streveler, however, the offensive system sucks too.
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13 hours ago, 17to85 said:
All I'm saying is when Brady runs for 2 or 3 on first down they're not going to call a qb draw on 2nd down for collaros so the passing numbers automatically go down. And he had drives end because of drops which were catchable. People are real quick to just **** on Streveler because it's the simple thing to do. Our offense though is fundamentally broken no matter who's at qb. Streveler looked the best as a rookie before coaches decided that he should be a runner who can throw.
He sucks. He wasn't throwing because he is an interception machine. His own coaches don't trust him to throw the ball and with good reason.
1 hour ago, wpgallday1960 said:Late to the fray here, but, I’ve been watching this team for over 50 years and I can’t recall a more ugly win than that. QB play, O and D lines have been hurting the team badly all year. Whoever is running this team next year has their work cut out for them.
They have their work cut out for them because KW hasn't shown up since 2021.
14 hours ago, HardCoreBlue said:Hmmmmm can’t do that mid game so how’s about throw in your 2nd stringer to see if he can do anything, at the very least let CS watch the game from the sidelines. If TW falters after a couple of sets put CS back out. There was absolutely no momentum no confidence with CS in so putting in TW is not going to break anything.
There is absolutely no way Wilson could have done worse.
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On 2025-09-19 at 10:42 AM, Wanna-B-Fanboy said:
So... with several weeks of mediocre play and substandard coaching with middling talent resulting in painful yet predictable losses... have we done anything. anything . at. all. to get better? To be a better team? to give any Bomber fan some hope?
Walters needs to wake up from his 3 year nap. Sorry, if that offends anyone but KW has done an outright lousy job lately.
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22 hours ago, TBURGESS said:
Reading this site is pretty tedious. Yes, we have coaching issues, weird personal decisions, bad drafting, and bad scouting. No, we can't turn it around this year with the players and coaches we have. Ch-ch-changes need to be made. The Canadian mafia will make those decisions in the off season as a group.
TBURGESS is now the voice of reason here. I totally agree for once.
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7 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:
In summary, all our depth sucks worse than all our starters so starters get a free ride for underperforming cuz of Walters.
Well, yes and no. All our starters are getting a free ride because they aren't getting their ass kicked by coaches, Hoiwever, the coaches are in a bad place because our depth sucks and the best motivator is playing time and we have garbage sitting behind almost every position on the field and all the players know it and are not fearing losing their jobs. Anyone who has coached this game knows that players without competition are hard to keep on track. If this wasn't a GC hosting year about the best thing that could happen is we just put the guys out there that will go the extra mile despite talent level, but that would likely result in worse losses than what we have. Backups are backups for a reason and there isn't enough talent behind some of our gross underperformers for heart and will to make up the difference. If we had the quality of depth that we should have guys could have/should have been sat down and made to earn their starting positions back by refocusing and winning it back. RIght now we have many starters that are in by default.
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This is ridiculous. Completely ridiculous. I don't like that we didn't capitalize on our last 3 Grey Cup appearances, but dismissing the fact we got there as meaningless might just be the dumbest thing I've read on this forum in quite some time. There is nothing remotely the same about missing the playoffs and winning your division 3 straight years and advancing to the championship game. My gosh some people here have a sense of entitlement that makes Rider fans look good. The only failure that I'm seeing is a complete lack of cognition and reality by some of the fan base around here. These guys played their asses off for us, show a little bit of class. Saying they were no better than the RedBlacks, or the Craig Dickenson Riders is so far out to lunch I am gobsmacked. You guys are trying so hard to hate right now that I feel sorry for you.
I used to ridicule Rider fans for comments like that. Makes me sick that some here are echoing that behavior. Pure hubris and entitlement. The last 5 years has seen a historic run of success for our franchise and some here don't appreciate it at all. I guess these guys missed the 90's and 00', and 10's where we truly were bad. Getting to the Grey Cup is a failure that 7 other teams would have been excited to call their own.