10 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

it’s not an official combine invite thing, it’s an extra combine arm to be used as needed. If some one pulls out of throwing, gets hurt, or they need extra tosses and don’t want to over work guys.

A decent few qbs these days elect not to throw at the combine. Instead throwing in friendly confines to guys they know and can rely on. But this generally isn’t known until right before the combine or during. So you can end up in a position where you need a couple extra arms to do a full work out just to keep the wrs busy.

It is not like he’s going to have his performance graded and considered with draft prospects. It’s the most basic level of exposure to the nfl scouts you can get.

It doesn’t hurt him to take it, but he also isn’t riding it any place. It’ll still be if he can get reps in the ufl and the weight of the partial pre season game he had, that decides if he gets an invite to camp with some one. Or if there’s a mad rash of qb injuries.

It would take a lot of injuries. There are a crap load of former 2nd, 3rd, and PR QBs currently out of work that would get the call ahead of him. Heck last year the NFL even pulled Rivers out of retirement before they would look down their depth charts and FA's. Injuries is not a viable way into the NFL for Elgersma.

16 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Elgersma is an NFL Combine arm just throwing the ball. Will he get looks? Who knows. I do know the other qb there was a 2021 draft pick. Will he get a look as well?

Over the last 10 years not one QB invited as a combine arm has been in an NFL training camp the same year.

22 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

TC the media was pretty negative about how raw he was. But he did perform very well in his preseason look. If it wasn't for that pre-season game, he never would have gotten another NFL call.

Let's be honest....the NFL hasn't exactly beaten down his door. A couple workouts to stay in the good graces of his agent probably. For the life of me I can't believe he can't see the forest through the trees yet. Does he seriously think he's going to be the first CIS QB to crack an NFL roster, in what...like a hundred years? someone is blowing sunshine up his arse and he is eating it with a spoon, and that is unfortunate.

9 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

Pass rushing does require development. Especially in the CFL. You will see flashes of disruption without it, but the skill gap for most guys' pass rushing is huge.

That's a big part of why DL get paid, and DBs don't.

I do agree the promise is very strong with Jenkins, Jaworski and Bailey. And to an extent, DL who want to excel have to put in a lot of extra work themselves in the off-season. Coaching DL is a very highly sought-after skill set, and the NFL has been focused on cornering that market for a while.

We don't get polished rushers with good size and athletic ability coming up here anymore. Mostly we get raw guys with a ton of talent/athleticism that need to be moulded into something special. And a few higher polish guys who either lack a lot of size or athleticism.

In Jake We Trust

The learning curve is small for the DEs and DTs, sure there are some nuances they can pick up, but if a guy can disrupt he can display that very early in his CFL career. We have not had anyone of that ilk up here in years. Will a bonafide DT/DE get better over time, for sure, but if a guy can't display the basics of the pass rush right off the bat there is no use wasting out time and we haven't and other teams have occasionally tried our guys out after we release them or don't re-sign them and have come to the exact same conclusion. Bunch of ham and eggers. Our recruitment needs to be a crap load better on the DL. That being said, the guys we brought in late last year show some actual promise. Instead of pretending that duds like Fox and Garbutt were somehow reasonable starters. Rotational AT BEST, and we need starters and not just starters IMPACT starters.

Had we "developed" them properly that was the ceiling for them.

10 minutes ago, Booch said:

You have to tho look at the talent and competition he was competing against tho in the CIS and the speed of the flow..and how quickly he can process things...its a huge gap from there to just NCAA ball..let alone pros...hes proven nothing

And in all honesty...based on his appearance and many a player..even really bad ones get looks...some several on just that alone.

The fact he held down zero weeks on any PR with 32 teams in the NFL..many with utter garbage as their 3rd on depth chart...let alone PR tells you something...

U ready my mind and beat me to the punch!

If he was truly legit hed have played prep ball in HS down south at least his senior yr and would never been on a CIS field

I think he showed some really good stuff in NFL TC. That being said, he is undoubtedly a project and anyone thinking he is our starter next year is really optimistic. I hope he is because that would be something, but I would be shocked if he were ready and that is presuming he comes here this year first.

27 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

My hopes for developing DL are greatly reduced by the poor job we've done developing DEs over a very large period of time.

At the pro level they have to perform. DE, DT shouldn't require much for development. We just had crap recruiting in these areas. In one game we saw more promise out of Jaworski and Jenkins than any of the garbage we've recruited at DE over the past several years. I don't mean to crap on the young DEs over the years, but anyone we brought in was either unable to get home, or unable to play the run. The DTs were slightly better but certainly nothing worth keeping around as starters.

I just don't think our recruiting was looking for a typical DE, seems like they favored a tweener type that just wasn't working for us.

Having Ceresna will certainly help in the disruption department. If two of our rookie DE's can show they are ready for a starter/rotational roles that would be very helpful as well. I really like what Jaworski did in his only showing last year. He is the guy I will be very interested in watching in TC. That probably gives him the kiss of death, but so be it.

10 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

It is what it is. He needs to parlay it into big bucks like Nathan Rourke did. Like Zach Collaros did. And any other qb who played well. It's not NFL money but would anyone of us sneer at $5-600,000 a year? Nope. Most, if not all of us here will never make that in a single year.

By the time he is in his prime that number is likely 700k per. The SMS is moving up at a pretty good pace right now.

19 hours ago, Brandon said:

And streaming killed the CD industry which is forcing muscians to go back to doing live shows.

Problem is that it crowds out the bar bands even more. There just isn't many live entertainment venues anymore and there are so many bands, even quality bands with recording contracts, fighting for these rooms that it is very difficult for a young band just starting out to get gigs unless they are willing to play for peanuts. When I started out in the hospitality industry I managed a couple hotels with live entertainment and the ground completely shifted in the early 90's. Full week gig venues became back 3 only, guys like Kenny Shields completely disrupted the scene as well by playing for peanuts at the A bars, reinvented the pay scale. Many venues just hired DJs because they were suddenly drastically cheaper if you rented a song library and just got a guy to play your cds. Then, of course, the liquor laws of the era that virtually killed the night clubs.

43 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

Id be very happy to have him here.

So true.

Thats what I would think. He isnt a top tier guy, but hes among the best of the 2nd tier guys. And his fit here would be extremely good.

lol the DBs would LOVE him in camp.

Imagine if we have 2 NI wrs down in one game? Yikes.

10 hours ago, ShyGuy said:

It's funny to be the NFL got so upset at the NFLPA for their member body grading the teams, but the NFL doesn't have any issue trotting out independent people grading players performance on a play by play basis (PFF) and having their broadcast partners blast it all over their coverage.

I don't think its reasonable to expect anyone to be able to parlay a career in the CFL to 7 or 8 million dollars... once he is off his ELC he'd be 27... so it would take 10 years @ 700K AAV to get him to 7 million... and that is if one of a million different things that could go wrong to derail a career doesn't go wrong. To project someone who spent 4 years in CIS ball and had one half decent NFL preseason game to end up the highest paid CFL player ever post US-Expansion seems... pie in the sky at best.

He has a far greater chance of making that money in the CFL vs the NFL is what my point is. Yes, obviously he would have to have a long and successful career to attain that.

49 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

That's awesome, wonder if he's gonna go full-time into music post-career.

If he does he will starve. He'd be a great guy around a camp fire but there are a ton of guys with a guitar that are far better than him busking for a meal. Live music went the way of the dodo bird a long time ago unless you are willing to play for peanuts or are an original songwriter good enough to get a recording contract (which Woogie is neither). When CDs came around it killed the live music industry. Bands get paid about 2/3 of what they were making in 1988. The going rate is about 100 bucks a guy per night. 150 on weekends.

On 2026-02-18 at 6:41 AM, Booch said:

yeah...was a major part, and we also never truly allowed guys to actually develop and show they had the chops.....rode our guys into stubby nibs with zero practical experience behind them

I not really of the opinion the scouting failed us for the most part.....more that Osh isnt a really good evaluator of talent and some thje things in his mind that he deems important, don't translate on the field or always are the best option skill/performance wise....History here shows when he is handed great talent/established talent in their prime he seems like a genius but when he has to at times sift thru it and inearth players handed to him or creaye solutions on the fly....big swing and a miss more often than a hit

That could be said to some extent about any coach ever. No coach succeeds consistently without talent provided.

10 hours ago, wbbfan said:

I wonder where rhymes ends up, pretty surprised he’s still available. wonder if he’s expecting a crazy pay day that no one is willing to dish out

Gotta be $. Although, and I know this isn't a popular opinion, I think he is pretty over rated.

On 2026-02-17 at 5:47 PM, WinnipegGordo said:

Elgersma should play in the UFL this spring and see if the NFL comes sniffing around. UFL training camps start up next week so we will know soon enough if he plans on going that route.

Elgersma (if his agents had half a brain) should come here ASAP, train hard, work hard, and be ready if there is an injury to Collaros. Should he have the ability to dominate our game he has the same earning potential as Rourke at much shorter odds than the NFL. He can parlay his career into something that grosses him 7-8 million before he hangs them up but he's gonna have to take lumps for at least the first year of that. I can confidently, and with 100% certainty tell you that 7-8 million in the CFL will far outweigh any potential career earnings in the NFL he is dreaming about. We keep talking about the low salary he will make this year, while forgetting that is inevitable and shaving a potential 750k a year (if he were a quality CDN starter) off his career earnings and if he isn't a quality CDN starter in our league, then waiting for the NFL has no point either.

13 hours ago, wbbfan said:

zach doesn’t seem the type to be actively thinking about retiring or it being his last year.

We all know the reality of his situation. that said, we’ve added soo much to the offence how could you not want to play and be excited? No doubt zachs entire focus is on this season coming. As it should be.

I don’t think zach will call it quits. I think he will require us telling him he’s not coming back one day for him to pack it in.

That is the case with most football players. Not many go out when they should. Most need to be told, and that's just the make up of a football player really.

1 minute ago, Bigblue204 said:

100% but again...he has produced when needed. I think they can and should find a more adequate depth piece....but Corcoran is taking unnecessary shots

It's not a shot. I am hoping he develops into something more, but he's not there now. We need to add some proven NAT receiver depth.

1 minute ago, Bigblue204 said:

It was because of a #1 pick (an OL I think). He ended up getting signed for a ridiculous amount before he did anything. The CFLPA basically said teams are signing these huge contracts for a guy who hasn't done anything only because he's a high canadian pick. While other stars aren't being compensated to the same degree even though they are legit stars for the league/team. And I can see their point. But...it's back fired now. Because whatever the cap is now is so low that for a guy that's on the edge of being on an NFL roster/pr, it just doesn't make financial sense to sign with the CFL until he's sure he's got no chance. And as we are seeing, that can take years.

It was a very curious decision to put that in place given we were just starting to see a vast talent drain after the NFL's PR expansion.

21 minutes ago, sweep the leg said:

Despite his shockingly bad test numbers, he was a reasonably productive rec in the US. Maybe there’s something there.

I'm not against the guy, I just have not seen him offer much of anything when he is in the lineup. Would love to know what they see in him. Not saying there isn't something there it's just not obvious.

2 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said:

Listen I'm no fan of Corcoran. But he did everything asked of him last year. He caught basically everything that was catchable. He's not going to be a star WR, but he's more than adequate as a back up.

Sure. But if we are going 3 NAT receivers then he should not be front line depth. It is essential that we have a guy who can produce if that is our plan. Just a body is not good enough. No different that Jake Thomas the past few years, if we had kept him down to 8-10 snaps a game no one would be complaining but he got thrust into a starting role and became a glaring weak spot for us. Are you comfortable with Corcoran coming off the bench to be a potential starter if any of our 3 starting NATs go down. I'm not.

1 hour ago, rebusrankin said:

CFL needs to drop the salary provisions on deals for Nationals and increase the operations cap.

Totally agree. I don't understand why the hell they even capped it. Cap year one if you must, then allow teams to renegotiate the contract if they so choose.

42 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

Do not like how he lumped Corcoran in with Clericius. Clercius is a wr with tremendous raw tools who has caught everything thrown his way. Corcoran is like Wade Miller on a low-battery mobility scooter.

For some reason or other Kyle seems very high on Corcoran. Just wish I knew why.

4 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:

He should have a chat with Nathan Rourke, looks like they're following a similar path with NR further ahead on it.

I don't blame Elgersma one bit. The insane NAT draftee 3 year entry level deal is a joke.

1 hour ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Which is why THERE ARE TIMES (not always) when I wish the ratio would be gone so guys like Stanley Bryant can be at the top of the pay scale. I've seen enough shitty Canadian OL who'll never, ever be close to even thinking about being great except in their own minds... get totally overpaid. Think of the pylons we had playing for us on the OL in the early 2010's. We tried to build an All Canadian OL & after 3 years Walters & Osh were no closer to fininshing what they started.

With the NFL now grabbing and sitting on a ton of NAT OL due to expanded PR sizes and eligibility, we just don't have the luxury of an all NAT OL in this league anymore. We lose the top of our draft every year to them and it takes years, in many cases, for these guys to shake loose now. Double that up with the insane 3 year entry level pay rates for draftees and you get every NAT OL who even gets a whiff of the NFL, even though they are just signed to futures contracts which translates almost to guaranteed to get cut, going and playing long odds to sit on an NFL PR. The CFL needs to drop the salary provisions on the entry level deal. We are delaying getting our draftees here because they are willing to roll the dice rather than play for peanuts.

13 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

I'd think that Canadians at Guard would be paid more than an American at LT. Stanley Bryant has never made $300000 a year like Woodmansey in Edmonton & he is the greatest LT the CFL has ever seen.

And, where did he end up? Guard.

NAT OL, or any other starting NAT, is going to make more than most IMPs at the same or similar position.

I liked Walters presser. I like how he confirmed that we will be seeing a lot of 30 front this year and that was one of the reasons he went hard after Ceresna. It seemed like this was the probability when we signed Ceresna and then JSK afterwards. I know a lot of us here don't care for 30 front, but if you got the right pieces it can be a very good defence against the passing game. Last year we just didn't have the horses. With Ceresna here, and more Lawson, we should be able to execute it at a much higher level. I think this would give Jaworski a big edge in camp for the other DE spot as well.

3 hours ago, Booch said:

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Elgersma will be here when he gets here. Not worried about that at all. He's got an agent blowing sunshine up his arse right now, so let's dial it back a bit about how he will never play here. Reality will set in, and he will come.

11 hours ago, Pete said:

Sounds like we are planning on going with 3 national receivers, if they aren't happy with Clercius I'm not sure how that will work, but the benefit of giving Zac better protection with 3 imports is definitely necessary

We can go 3 NAT receivers but there is no requirement to do so if we go 3 IMP OL. We can make ratio in other places or even use the naturalized IMP rule.

35 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

Mauldin signed in the UFL, I believe.

Another Canadian WR like Gittens Jr would be a nice add.

UFL contracts mean nothing. They are optional by the player. According to 3DN he's waiting for the CFL phone to ring.

31 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

Neuf was also originally a T.

If any thing playing T after a career at G is going to be harder, especially when mobility has been such an issue for neuf the past few years.

Usports kids didn’t get shots at many positions, until they started to. Now some positions are normalized that used to be ratio breakers

No way Paddy could play OT for anything more than an emergency now. He bulked up to play in the interior, then he bulked up some more when he discovered Tim Horton's lol.