22 hours ago, Booch said:

Wallace is an easy keep and foolish to let walk for what could amount for 40...50k

Neuf shouldnt be back for 2027 and I doubt Big Stan will as well...Neuf money can go to bump Wallace...Big Stan elsewhere....and change left over

I believe that Wallace is in a really good position career wise if he chooses to stay. He's not going to find any other OL around the league with a probable starting OG position up for grabs where he would be considered the heir apparent. I'm not sure it takes a huge increase to keep him either, he only has limited play time at this point.

7 minutes ago, Booch said:

and has proven nothing other than success at the CIS level....no offense to the cis and canadian athletes but that' a big whuppty do...especially for a QB....Just look at Ford recently...and he has a way better game with his legs that Elgersma and he was putrid.

He's 24 sure...but has wasted a good 2 yrs so far in his development curve up here where he could actually amount to something....so he is just further delaying his development and future earning potential.....He is never....ever gonna get a spot in the NFL other than a PR spot and thats a stretch...and if his mindset and attitude is one where that is cool with him, and has no desire other than that...get the hell ouuta here then and move his ass for picks, or an asset. I have no desire for a Canadian QB whatsover anyway, and why would you want a inferior pivot....and no ability to back him up with one??...

A Nathan Rourke is a unicorn and is a Canadian by birth only....he was developed and trained and learned his craft in the U.S for the yrs that matter .....Elgersma hasnt...he excelled against a buttload of players who once their senior yr ended will never ever strap on a helmet again...

Whether or not he is a capable of being a CFL QB or not is not the only factor. If he won't sign with us we can either hold his rights and make an example out of him or be forced to move him for pennies on the dollar. Either way some bad draft preparation and due diligence by the GM who took two years off.

Wbb is not wrong on his asset value diminishing if he's not with us this year. It's not about ability orpotential, it's about other teams knowing we are having a hard time/inability to get him under contract. We would not be trading from a position of strength

13 hours ago, Noeller said:

And yet all I ever read about Coach Buck was that they all worked together... The entire QB room plus Buck... To design the playbook. So that seems an odd quote...

Buck designed his own, and borrowed heavily from Lapo, when he was OC. The room working together during the season is not the same thing. That is tweaking the already existing playbook according to what the QBs have experienced once the playbook is in use. Same thing will happen once Condell implements his playbook. They work on progressions and tweaks according to the personnel that actually make the team. Structure, formations, and some progression design is usually by way of the offensive coaching staff.

Predicting 50 years from now is an amazing feat of AI. I mean to know how rosters shape up in 2071 with players not even born yet is downright amazing.

33 minutes ago, Booch said:

Wilson def needs to show this camp he has taken the next step and has advanced.....If he hasnt...I could see him losing the 3rd spot to Thorne who we may see as a legit development guy like we had in Brown. Has the makeup of a real good CFL style QB

As for elgersma....he has wasted 2 valuable yrs now of development...and longer he pisses around he is even further behind in any realization of potential. If he balks all yr again...and in meantime we find a legit guy who shows progress and development thru the yr..that.. and or sign a already established guy in the 2027 FA period...I'd trade him away pronto as if he finally came in 2027 after 3 yrs in the abyss...he aint gonna be your answer anytime soon...and if handed it just cause we have a lil chub over a Canadian QB which I feel is irrelevant and pointless...expect several yrs of scuffling as a team

My key point is that this year is his best shot at getting the team to commit to some development runway. If he doesn't come North this year, we cannot wait around and must pivot away from him IF we have a better candidate to develop.

1 hour ago, Bigblue204 said:

I'm not so sure about this. Maybe if he got here the year he was drafted. But the waiting game he's played, imo...has kind of forced the Bombers to look else where for the future QB. If they find someone or a couple guys who they think are legitimate future starters I don't see why they would wait for Elgersma to develop.

That is certainly a gamble that Elgersma is taking. As I have stated in my post, Elgersma's runway certainly hinges on him signing with the Bombers. Once signed he is obligated to 3 years unless actually signed to the NFL during the offseason window. No more searching around playing the waiting game or nonsense like that. At the point of signing it is highly unlikely we cut ties with him before that 3 years is up unless he is a complete dud. However, the longer he takes to sign the more the odds go up that begin to look at alternate plans such as trading his rights etc. If in the meantime we find other guys, yep we may move on that's why my post clearly indicated that the amount of runway he will get is dependent on him signing.

20 hours ago, Noeller said:

If I was guessing, it'll be a fight in camp between Terry Wilson and the UFL MVP guy for the QB2 spot...

Not so sure that Wilson is our number 3 right now. He is there atm but if I were to guess Wilson is an insurance policy nothing more. If our new QB recruits don't crash and burn they are favorites for both number 2 and 3.

11 minutes ago, ShyGuy said:

Why are we assuming the QB2 spot is being held for Elgersma? Sure he could compete for it but how often do USports QBs show up and immediately got slotted into backup QB?

Bombers will have Bryce Perkins who won the UFL MVP last year and Payton Throne who had a reasonable NCAA career and was an NFL camp cut last year and then obviously Terry Wilson as the guy with actual CFL experience.. who by the way has played about as much as Powell has the last two seasons.

Realistically if Elgersma were to show up it would be Perkins or Wilson as QB2 and Elgersma as 3... If he did end up QB2 that would mean he was more or less worth the wait

I agree that the defacto number 2 position is unlikely to end up being Elgersma if he does sign. However, whether or not he signs does decide how we approach our QB room in general. Being a NAT, how the Bombers QB development behind Collaros is significantly different between the two scenarios of him signing or not signing. The Bombers future plans will be to give Elgersma a boat load of development runway.

23 hours ago, Booch said:

O know for a fact a lot of players refuse to come here due to ratio reasons and getting cut for a sub par guy....and a lot of coaches will favour a vet...even if he is not as good....why waste their time and risk injury....and guys talk and touch base and give potential newguys the 411 of what its all about up in Canada...I could give an eff....if u believe my "spin" or not...but you be you....with your wealth of football knowledge and connections...I'll be me...Block me...mute me...whatever floats your dingy if u dislike what i say

and save for a QB who has a steep learning curve up here....unless a player is a comp0lete dolt....and has skill....they can adapt and play if the coaching is adequate..and it's not like he stunk the joint out when he was here....we kept other stinkers tho

wasnt good for yrs ago ...but hung onto an NFL PR and actual active roster for 3 yrs after...I guess the light came on after being dumped by the CFL...good on him I guess

That's the pitfalls of the CFL and how teams run camps and pre-season...with 2 games now...Guys dont get legit opportunities...on all teams...and some pop off luckily in camp and jump over better players...then are just farts in the wind come next TC....I dont know why we dont extend camp and have 3 games....

and another pityfull coaching staff worse than the warts we had here...lol

But 3 yrs in NFL...On same team....actual roster spot....and lotsa snaps on ST too...hard to argue that he was a piece of crap and not worthy of keeping...who did we keep that yr in lieu of him...some stars I am sure are still here...or had a couple great seasons and then vanished...I know we had Schoen that yr....but dont recall who we kept as depth after that...When Ellingson went down and Schoen stepped into his spot...who did we add to roster....nobody I can think of who still here

He went offside like 4 times in a preseason game because he couldn't time his waggle at all. He was cut. You don't have a big window as a rookie. This isn't coaching failure at all. His inability to take a running start cost him a CFL career. Edmonton tried him to give him more time to adjust and they also gave up. This is just one of those things where you get a really talented guy but if he can't wrap his head around the differences in our game then you move on from him, Not a coaching failure in any way. If he had lit up the preseason and outperformed anyone, then your point is valid, but he didn't.

14 hours ago, Booch said:

and we cut him and then landed on Vikings roster?...Not good enough here but good enough there...now there's some good evaluating no?

We cut Lucky in camp then he was on Edmonton PR...couldn't crack their pitiful receiving corps then UFL then Minnesota.

11 hours ago, Booch said:

Good enough to hang around 3 yrs in NFL...so can't answer for other teams...but if a guy can cut it there...get several actual games in...and play st...pretty sure he should have here looking at some of the crap we rostered since..and maybe he didnt wanna come here and get cut in lieu of some lesser talented Canadian or some coaches pet...as thats also very common for a lot of guys not coming

2022 was a tough receiving corps to make...that and he could not figure out the waggle

23 hours ago, BomberBall. said:

You really like to argue. Sure, some situations are better for the backup QB, but most situations require QB1 getting hurt for QB2 to get any significant reps. If you don’t agree, that’s fine.

Was Tre Ford injured when Cody Faj took over last year? It's not arguing it's just a fact that there are many times when a QB2 takes over after ineffective QB1 play. It happens a lot.

2 hours ago, bryan35 said:

Wonder why JJ wasn't promoted this year?

JJ wasn't in our plans obviously. I don't think his stay here went as envisioned by either side.

Just now, Bigblue204 said:

Maybe...he's only played 3 down ball. Not beating out Americans who have more experience than him at the game they are playing won't change how I think of him as a potential CFLer.

He has never played 3 down ball either. Playbooks in the CIS and CFL are light years different. The only advantage he has is knowing the size of the field, and being used to the extra attacker. Other than that he will have the same adjustment to a CFL offence as any of the QBs coming from NCAA.

33 minutes ago, itchy said:

Looks like Streveler is calling it a career. Posted a video on TT.

Getting injured is not the way the players should go out, but that's the reality of a contact sport. Much respect for everything he's done for the community and the team.

His injury was your typical career ender. I thought if anyone could rehab and tough through it was him but the human body has it's limitations I guess. Too bad, great guy.

19 hours ago, Brandon said:

Throwing into triple coverage while having protection is not the fault of the o-line or the OC. The QB play was extremely subpar for a top paid player.

Nobody is excusing ZCs brain cramps, but at the same time as a QB you get paid to throw the ball. When you have no help whatsoever the QB can either take the sack or start winging it downfield on a hope and a prayer. ZC chose the latter and it is never the right choice. However, it is a decision born out of lack of talent around him. If he sees an appropriate amount of protection, and much improved receiver play we likely don't see these poor decisions. If we still do then there is a problem. Trying to play a pop warner level offensive scheme can make a lot of QB decisions look real bad. Defences around the league were saying they knew the play just from the formation, when the defence knows the play before the ball is snapped your QB is going to throw a ton of interceptions. On running downs it doesn't matter as much because that is all about execution but in the passing game it's going to be a disaster no matter the execution. When we criticize ZC throwing into triple coverage one has to ask how the defence is able to get 3 guys on the receiver. We see the point and time the ball arrives at the receiver and it looks like triple coverage when in fact the defence is holding their coverage but are ready to what they have pre-snap recognized as the first and 2nd reads for the QB. When a defence knows where the ball is going everything looks like the QB is throwing into coverage but that is not necessarily what he's seeing at the time he delivers.

21 minutes ago, ShyGuy said:

The Stallions just signed another QB so that means that one of Hiers and Elgersma will be the odd man out. Hiers just spent the better part of two years on the Riders practice squad but he has 4-down experience

At any rate if they are signing QBs it's because they are not happy with their depth so even if Elgersma survives the cut, he is likely pushed down the depth chart. This is something I find interesting because both Hiers and Smith (Elgersma's QB competition) are true ham and eggers that are below CFL quality. Hiers got a quick looksie at the end of 2024 by the RIders but never made it to 2025 camp and Smith has not played ball of any significance since a pretty underwhelming college career. If Elgersma has trouble beating these guys out, it should really temper our expectations for him as a CFL future starter.

18 hours ago, BomberBall. said:

Not really? Come on man.

Just got my copy in the mail today. Pretty cool.

Do you think that Cody Fajardo behind Tre Ford was an equal situation to Maier behind Harris last year in terms of probability of seeing the field? Fact is that some situations are much better for a number 2 than others. That's just straight up and undeniable fact. There was a very high probability that Fajardo was going to take over for Ford last year. There was almost zero chance for some other backups around the league to see significant playing time except thru injury. Elgersma as an unproven pro QB has almost zero shot at playing time as Corral is a very experienced and successful QB in that league.

32 minutes ago, bryan35 said:

I'm blaming Condell for all the issues that come up with the O this year.

Seems to be the thing to do. Fire Lapo...get rid of Buck...fire Hogan!!

Every coordinator and coach ever will have a few fans that unfairly hate him, however, in Hogan's case the criticism is very well founded.

1 minute ago, bryan35 said:

Nope. Just notice that even when a compentent OC is in place he gets blamed for all the problems.

All OC's get that on every football team ever unless they are scoring TDs every drive all season long. Nature of the position.

49 minutes ago, Booch said:

not to mention he was working with an OC with less than zero clue's as to what to do....and a self admitted HC who couldnt step in and offer some kind of help/system tweek as he also has no clue...ZC gets a somewhat a pass for last year...but if by game 6...he is being the ZC of the past 2 yrs....we need to do whatever we can to do an in-season transition

We have no one to transition to atm, but yea, if he has not improved we need to do what it takes.

16 minutes ago, TBURGESS said:

What a silly thing to say. Of course it matters what team players play on. You seem to want to blame ABC (Anyone But Collaros) for his last 2 years and then make up things to match your story. No offensive lineman threw balls to the wrong team.

In Zac's defence he WAS asked to do a lot with zero OL or receiver support. So yes, it does matter what team you played for and if you are suggesting that he had better players around him last year than Dru Brown did you are the one making up things to match your story.

On 2026-03-20 at 2:37 PM, BomberBall. said:

That pretty much describes every QB1 - QB2 situation.

Not really. Some cases you get behind an aging out vet, or a weak starter and may have a legit shot at seeing the field. Elgersma is behind a very good QB that he has no legit shot at a QB controversy

2 hours ago, Bigblue204 said:

he was always gonna make the team. Will be interesting to see how much playing time he gets.

The only way he sees the field is if Corral gets hurt. He is a far superior QB to Elgersma.

On 2026-02-12 at 5:12 PM, Brandon said:

Part of the problem is that Winnipeg is over saturated with restaurants. I have no idea how some of these places stay in business with so much competition. We went to Nu-Burger on Henderson to check out the new location and including us they had only 3 customers. This was from noon when we arrive up until 1:00 ish.

I think the opposite and that the chain restaurants will be closing and the one offs that offer high quality & home cooked foods are the ones that will survive.

Market saturation is certainly a problem, however, as a former restauranteur the biggest problem is that corporate chains negotiate and lock in pricing on food that no indie could ever compete with. Indie restaurants start around at a minimum 15% behind the eight ball on overall cost right off the bat. That may not seem like much but that's huge in the restaurant business and very tough to compete with.

I'm keeping Manu. If we really covet Vaccaro that much AND he is not in the NFL, then we find a different way to make it happen. Stud NAT OL are becoming a rare commodity and I wouldn't trade any of them.

26 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

Thats not what is happening, but that leads you to lunch box qbs. Which did not work out well for AFL etc.

Pretty much. I know the cost would be a lot. Probably the larger of the last 2 cap increases, if not both of them in size. And that doesnt even include paying starters more money. But as the qb goes, so goes the team, league, and sport.

What did not work out for the AFL etc is that they looked for warm bodies basically because they wouldn't pay a living wage. I get what you are saying that work ethic, desire etc can lead to lunch pail QBs if you go out and get skill deficient QBs. However, in our league most QBs have a good skill set it's the intangibles that set them apart and that makes it very hard to scout for the next one because it isn't something that's easy to put your finger on until you see the guy in camp, and then in game action. Developing QBs is a hard thing to do, because not a lot of guys want to wait the 2-3 years it might take. Take Chase for example, one and done. Not saying he would have ever amounted to anything but he didn't want to stick around to see.