19 hours ago, Booch said:

totally true....And Allen on defence further adds to that....They also lost a high contributing Global too which hurts....Be interesting on how they re-do that ratio there

yeah his measurables were garbage for a receiver...well....bottom tier I guess....and he didnt seem too enthused to use any physicality in the blocking game either....

Speaking of Corcoran, he doesnt offer a lot really...even on teams and if we draft one of the intriguing upside receivers in the draft, and with Demski..Neild and Clercius, I just dont see a spot on roster for him....and If we dress him in addition to all 3..thats a poor decision. I cant see us going 3 national receivers either for ratio...ZC needs all the top end talent we can field and if 4 nationals, one of them being Corcoran is the best next 4 guys we scrounged up behind White..Demski..and Wilson then thats an epic recruitment fail...or a really poor coaching decision...again

We won't go 3 NAT receivers if we draft properly. Having to do so would be a failure by Walters.

16 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

The only way to get around that is to abolish the ratio if the CFL feels that it's future is in the US, Mexico or Europe. Canadians would still play & start but only the best. Unless a player was a ST demon, they'd probably have no chance so most Canadians wouldn't play. So, there may be one or two players on the roster per team.

Yea...it's the fly in the ointment of any US expansion. Simply cannot have a league with two different roster building rules. It's why the American expansion teams could throw ridiculous money at the best CFL QBs and build their OLs etc with cheap American beef.

23 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Oh well... It was always out of his hands. No one can control government red tape & regulation. The trouble getting a visa is why no Canadians played on the American teams in the CFL 30 years ago. The American govt said no. It only benefitted guys like Dunigan, Pringle, Elfrid Payton, Ham & Damon Allen. The star American players all cashed in & left as they were paid in American dollars while the Canadians were forced to stay & get paid in Canadian dollars. At the time, the Loonie was in a similar situation as it is now vs the Canadian dollar.

The Americans would not allow our ratio rules in the USA. Had nothing to do with visas. If the teams of the day wanted Canadian players they could have used them, they just didn't have to abide by the ratio rules of our league because the US wouldn't allow them.

58 minutes ago, Booch said:

Yeah sex pest was more conversation/harassment centered...Ajou was more of an actual physical unwanted touching thing was it not?....so yeah only a fool would challenge his suspension.....Kelly did everything kinda right and caused no issues with it....and being a high profile player and key player position wise I guess good on him and the Argo org for doing all the necessary things..Ajou on other hand is a fart in the wind kinda player and his being on a roster...or off one is negligeable and no team would be better off...or worse for wear for it with him in regards to their roster...he's a big ol nothing burger

His departure really hurt the RIders. Not because he is a great receiver per se, but they run 3 NATs and were already perilously thin for quality depth there. Now they have nothing. This could necessitate a roster flip for them and their NAT depth is mediocre.

Never had a doubt Elgersms would be here. From a career perspective it's his best move and he's not a dumb guy. Figured it would be after the UFL season but glad his VISA status forced his hand now

46 minutes ago, ShyGuy said:

Comments about this on Facebook are about what you'd expect.

Surprised that the Riders let Nield get away if they had any inkling it would come to this

Riders having an inkling? Good one. This was an investigation launched months ago. They had more than enough time to read the tea leaves, and dont think for one second that the Riders released him willingly. They are an organization that must be forced to do the right thing.

30 minutes ago, Booch said:

yup...we need one to step up as thats a critical need for us, and the kinda guy that ZC needs at this juncture of his career

TJ Davis also intrigues and curious to see what we try to do with him...Has a lot of QB experience, and can return....could be a versatile roster guy too....camp will be interesting

This receiver will also have to have the ability, like Lawler, to go out and steal balls away from DBs because Zac doesn't have that pinpoint accuracy anymore. Contested balls are going to be a thing going forward with him and we need someone who can win the lion's share of them. We can mitigate some of Zac's decline by giving him receivers to make him look good on things like that. We were woefully inadequate at that last year. Our guys lost more 50/50s than they won and we simply can't have that this year.

1 minute ago, Booch said:

If we wanna keep a receiver of that ilk...then Banks should be the guy as bigger...way better measurables...better pedigree...huge upside and almost shocking he is up here, and likely is gonna be playing dialed in with something to prove. He could also easily step in to the wide side WR spot right outta the gate and be easily eased in with us having Demski, White and Pokey stealing a lot of the db's attention and find himself in a lot of one on one situations....and he is a proven contested ball receiver and knows how to us his body to box guys out....Plus can take inside routes and work from along the l.o.s too...Dude has all the tools and came from a top notch school

If any of these guys emerge as bonafide CFL receivers I'll be tickled pink. My point in all of this is that I like that we are looking for some size and 50/50 ability in our new recruits. Whether it's Banks, Fredericson, or Receiver X, I think we really need someone of that style in our receiving corps.

15 hours ago, wbbfan said:

That’s a big part of it. his size is basically what’s expected, doesn’t have the athleticism to break away at the top end or separate at the break. he also doesn’t have a great get off move or route running polish to get open.

Not like he’s un athletic, or bad technically at his position. he’s just kind of average at every thing save for his hands. He’s clearly got top level hands.

He also played 4 years at a small school and basically put up 1 good season of production in a year and a half. A guy like that in a program like that has to do more for more years.

His upside would be lawler, but he has a lot of work to do to get close to that.

He's no Lawler, he lacks that speed but as a solid possession receiver 50/50 ball guy he clearly has that game. He averaged 13 yards a reception so he can clearly get the ball when it's in the air. He's the exact type of receiver we need. Not saying he will make the team, but I like that this is the type of receiver we are looking at bringing in. We are sorely lacking this type of receiver. A team that was using Sterns as our end zone jump ball guy last year really needs someone we can throw to with some 50/50 size and ability. If not Fredericson hopefully somebody else, but what impressive hands he's got.

2 hours ago, bigg jay said:

Winnipeg Blue Bombers sign All-Big Sky receiver Christian Fredericksen - 3DownNation

his highlight tape is quite impressive. A Darvin Adams type of receiver.

On 2026-04-07 at 6:43 AM, SpeedFlex27 said:

I'm sure Elgersma's agents (he's dumb enough to pay for 2) are busy lining him up for more useless NFL tryouts.

I'm sure they are trying, but the Elgersma hotline is not exactly ringing off the hook methinks. The guy isn't playing and there is a new draft class about to hit with a whole new crop of UDFAs that teams will want to look at. Elgersma's ship has sailed and he is still on the dock thinking it's going to circle back for him. Sad really.

20 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

With his injury, he is a year and a half into his career 2 years total. At this point, he is comparable to where Dobson was midway through his 3rd year. Dobson got a huge payday after that 3rd year here as well.

If Wallace starts this year, someone is going to offer him easily 250k+ if not more, with what Canadians got this offseason. If he doesn't start, I think his FA floor will likely be 140-150k next year. For me, Id lock him up on that kind of money for 2 more years in a heartbeat.

Dobson and Wallace are similar in terms of athleticism level, but are different types of athletes. Wallace's athleticism is much more useful at OL. Dobson is more twitchy, but gasses much more easily. Dobson also struggles to keep his power up when his weight is down closer to inline with what the CFL guards play at. This is why he dipped early from a record-setting mauler early in college to an inconsistent guy up here. He can't play that heavy, and he can't coast on a quarter of his snaps to recover. Especially when he played beside kola. Meanwhile, Wallace is the same road grader in the 4th quarter that he is in the first. It's nice to be able to blow through a DL with an explosive punch move, but its still great to be able to lock up and drive a guy out of the way. Wallace is better in space and pulling as well.

I honestly don't know what to expect from us at OL. We are set up to roll extra Imps at OL, but this is a MOS team, and that does not fit his MO at all. I hate it, but I could very easily see us losing 1 or more of Vanterpool, Randolph, and some other really good young guys while we go with 3 Canadian starters and 1-2 Canadian back-ups.

For me, as much as I like Wallace, he would be fighting for the C starting spot or the 6/7 ol spot. I do think Eli will be very hard to beat out of the C spot, Vibert is a good bit a head of Gabe as a C as well, and mos likes to carry 2 Cs on the AR. He also loves to carry 7 ol, but with MCI, schmekel and Clercius thats not nearly as needed. He's gotta have a great TC this year to get reps.

I don't think we start Gabe, and that is the premise of my post. IF he starts, and I don't see where, then I will re-evaluate. I'd love it if he did show enough to get a starting spot tho.

22 hours ago, Booch said:

Wallace is an easy keep and foolish to let walk for what could amount for 40...50k

Neuf shouldnt be back for 2027 and I doubt Big Stan will as well...Neuf money can go to bump Wallace...Big Stan elsewhere....and change left over

I believe that Wallace is in a really good position career wise if he chooses to stay. He's not going to find any other OL around the league with a probable starting OG position up for grabs where he would be considered the heir apparent. I'm not sure it takes a huge increase to keep him either, he only has limited play time at this point.

7 minutes ago, Booch said:

and has proven nothing other than success at the CIS level....no offense to the cis and canadian athletes but that' a big whuppty do...especially for a QB....Just look at Ford recently...and he has a way better game with his legs that Elgersma and he was putrid.

He's 24 sure...but has wasted a good 2 yrs so far in his development curve up here where he could actually amount to something....so he is just further delaying his development and future earning potential.....He is never....ever gonna get a spot in the NFL other than a PR spot and thats a stretch...and if his mindset and attitude is one where that is cool with him, and has no desire other than that...get the hell ouuta here then and move his ass for picks, or an asset. I have no desire for a Canadian QB whatsover anyway, and why would you want a inferior pivot....and no ability to back him up with one??...

A Nathan Rourke is a unicorn and is a Canadian by birth only....he was developed and trained and learned his craft in the U.S for the yrs that matter .....Elgersma hasnt...he excelled against a buttload of players who once their senior yr ended will never ever strap on a helmet again...

Whether or not he is a capable of being a CFL QB or not is not the only factor. If he won't sign with us we can either hold his rights and make an example out of him or be forced to move him for pennies on the dollar. Either way some bad draft preparation and due diligence by the GM who took two years off.

Wbb is not wrong on his asset value diminishing if he's not with us this year. It's not about ability orpotential, it's about other teams knowing we are having a hard time/inability to get him under contract. We would not be trading from a position of strength

13 hours ago, Noeller said:

And yet all I ever read about Coach Buck was that they all worked together... The entire QB room plus Buck... To design the playbook. So that seems an odd quote...

Buck designed his own, and borrowed heavily from Lapo, when he was OC. The room working together during the season is not the same thing. That is tweaking the already existing playbook according to what the QBs have experienced once the playbook is in use. Same thing will happen once Condell implements his playbook. They work on progressions and tweaks according to the personnel that actually make the team. Structure, formations, and some progression design is usually by way of the offensive coaching staff.

Predicting 50 years from now is an amazing feat of AI. I mean to know how rosters shape up in 2071 with players not even born yet is downright amazing.

33 minutes ago, Booch said:

Wilson def needs to show this camp he has taken the next step and has advanced.....If he hasnt...I could see him losing the 3rd spot to Thorne who we may see as a legit development guy like we had in Brown. Has the makeup of a real good CFL style QB

As for elgersma....he has wasted 2 valuable yrs now of development...and longer he pisses around he is even further behind in any realization of potential. If he balks all yr again...and in meantime we find a legit guy who shows progress and development thru the yr..that.. and or sign a already established guy in the 2027 FA period...I'd trade him away pronto as if he finally came in 2027 after 3 yrs in the abyss...he aint gonna be your answer anytime soon...and if handed it just cause we have a lil chub over a Canadian QB which I feel is irrelevant and pointless...expect several yrs of scuffling as a team

My key point is that this year is his best shot at getting the team to commit to some development runway. If he doesn't come North this year, we cannot wait around and must pivot away from him IF we have a better candidate to develop.

1 hour ago, Bigblue204 said:

I'm not so sure about this. Maybe if he got here the year he was drafted. But the waiting game he's played, imo...has kind of forced the Bombers to look else where for the future QB. If they find someone or a couple guys who they think are legitimate future starters I don't see why they would wait for Elgersma to develop.

That is certainly a gamble that Elgersma is taking. As I have stated in my post, Elgersma's runway certainly hinges on him signing with the Bombers. Once signed he is obligated to 3 years unless actually signed to the NFL during the offseason window. No more searching around playing the waiting game or nonsense like that. At the point of signing it is highly unlikely we cut ties with him before that 3 years is up unless he is a complete dud. However, the longer he takes to sign the more the odds go up that begin to look at alternate plans such as trading his rights etc. If in the meantime we find other guys, yep we may move on that's why my post clearly indicated that the amount of runway he will get is dependent on him signing.

20 hours ago, Noeller said:

If I was guessing, it'll be a fight in camp between Terry Wilson and the UFL MVP guy for the QB2 spot...

Not so sure that Wilson is our number 3 right now. He is there atm but if I were to guess Wilson is an insurance policy nothing more. If our new QB recruits don't crash and burn they are favorites for both number 2 and 3.

11 minutes ago, ShyGuy said:

Why are we assuming the QB2 spot is being held for Elgersma? Sure he could compete for it but how often do USports QBs show up and immediately got slotted into backup QB?

Bombers will have Bryce Perkins who won the UFL MVP last year and Payton Throne who had a reasonable NCAA career and was an NFL camp cut last year and then obviously Terry Wilson as the guy with actual CFL experience.. who by the way has played about as much as Powell has the last two seasons.

Realistically if Elgersma were to show up it would be Perkins or Wilson as QB2 and Elgersma as 3... If he did end up QB2 that would mean he was more or less worth the wait

I agree that the defacto number 2 position is unlikely to end up being Elgersma if he does sign. However, whether or not he signs does decide how we approach our QB room in general. Being a NAT, how the Bombers QB development behind Collaros is significantly different between the two scenarios of him signing or not signing. The Bombers future plans will be to give Elgersma a boat load of development runway.

23 hours ago, Booch said:

O know for a fact a lot of players refuse to come here due to ratio reasons and getting cut for a sub par guy....and a lot of coaches will favour a vet...even if he is not as good....why waste their time and risk injury....and guys talk and touch base and give potential newguys the 411 of what its all about up in Canada...I could give an eff....if u believe my "spin" or not...but you be you....with your wealth of football knowledge and connections...I'll be me...Block me...mute me...whatever floats your dingy if u dislike what i say

and save for a QB who has a steep learning curve up here....unless a player is a comp0lete dolt....and has skill....they can adapt and play if the coaching is adequate..and it's not like he stunk the joint out when he was here....we kept other stinkers tho

wasnt good for yrs ago ...but hung onto an NFL PR and actual active roster for 3 yrs after...I guess the light came on after being dumped by the CFL...good on him I guess

That's the pitfalls of the CFL and how teams run camps and pre-season...with 2 games now...Guys dont get legit opportunities...on all teams...and some pop off luckily in camp and jump over better players...then are just farts in the wind come next TC....I dont know why we dont extend camp and have 3 games....

and another pityfull coaching staff worse than the warts we had here...lol

But 3 yrs in NFL...On same team....actual roster spot....and lotsa snaps on ST too...hard to argue that he was a piece of crap and not worthy of keeping...who did we keep that yr in lieu of him...some stars I am sure are still here...or had a couple great seasons and then vanished...I know we had Schoen that yr....but dont recall who we kept as depth after that...When Ellingson went down and Schoen stepped into his spot...who did we add to roster....nobody I can think of who still here

He went offside like 4 times in a preseason game because he couldn't time his waggle at all. He was cut. You don't have a big window as a rookie. This isn't coaching failure at all. His inability to take a running start cost him a CFL career. Edmonton tried him to give him more time to adjust and they also gave up. This is just one of those things where you get a really talented guy but if he can't wrap his head around the differences in our game then you move on from him, Not a coaching failure in any way. If he had lit up the preseason and outperformed anyone, then your point is valid, but he didn't.

14 hours ago, Booch said:

and we cut him and then landed on Vikings roster?...Not good enough here but good enough there...now there's some good evaluating no?

We cut Lucky in camp then he was on Edmonton PR...couldn't crack their pitiful receiving corps then UFL then Minnesota.

11 hours ago, Booch said:

Good enough to hang around 3 yrs in NFL...so can't answer for other teams...but if a guy can cut it there...get several actual games in...and play st...pretty sure he should have here looking at some of the crap we rostered since..and maybe he didnt wanna come here and get cut in lieu of some lesser talented Canadian or some coaches pet...as thats also very common for a lot of guys not coming

2022 was a tough receiving corps to make...that and he could not figure out the waggle

23 hours ago, BomberBall. said:

You really like to argue. Sure, some situations are better for the backup QB, but most situations require QB1 getting hurt for QB2 to get any significant reps. If you don’t agree, that’s fine.

Was Tre Ford injured when Cody Faj took over last year? It's not arguing it's just a fact that there are many times when a QB2 takes over after ineffective QB1 play. It happens a lot.

2 hours ago, bryan35 said:

Wonder why JJ wasn't promoted this year?

JJ wasn't in our plans obviously. I don't think his stay here went as envisioned by either side.