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18 minutes ago, Jesse said:
We'll have one of Eli/Dobson and then yeah, probably a rookie as the second depth spot for the three interior positions.
I certainly don't see this as a gamble. You can't expect to have experienced depth on you bench 2 spots deep for multiple years.
I am hoping we get a good hog in the draft or else I am in agreement with JBR. However, there are quite a few journey man OL that would be serviceable that we could pick up in a pinch too.
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2 hours ago, Bigblue204 said:
I mean... I understand the argument for not jumping to conclusions...buuuut also ..this forum will have absolutely zero impact on the actual outcome of the case, so I'll say and judge who tf I want however tf I want lol.
It's not like the CFL is going to be saying "well lets start this investigation by seeing what the posters on MBB.com are saying!!"
Exactly right, this is the court of public opinion not a court of law. We owe Chad Kelly exactly zero benefit of the doubt if that is how we feel about it.
33 minutes ago, Tracker said:No one is saying that we ought to have the hanging before the investigation. There have been provably false accusations but the vast majority who come forward are ordinary people who have been savaged, and if there is one victim, it is almost automatic that there have been others who kept silent. I do not know if the statistics have changed, but some 20 years ago, about 80% of victims never spoke out, allowing the offender to move on to the next target.
"Where there is smoke there is usually fire" has been an expression that has served me well for many years. Is there a small % chance that this woman is mentally unbalanced and looking for attention? Sure. Is that likely? I would say absolutely not. I doubt the amount of instances in a thousand where the accuser has totally fabricated the story is less than a handful. No accuser, short of someone being mentally ill or a professional con woman, goes to this extreme without there being some basis in fact to their story. By all accounts she was a model and competent employee with a sterling track record.
I get everyone wanting to give the benefit of the doubt, and I want to hear the whole story from both sides too, but you would have to be out to lunch to not think there is a very bad odor to this just based on what we know so far about the story, and the people involved.
I guess at this point it is whether you believe that the ex-employee is of poor moral perpitude and is making false allegations, or Kelly/Murphy are guilty of poor moral judgement and behavior. I know which way I'm leaning and it's based on the past behaviors demonstrated by all 3. I will fully admit that I have bias against Kelly and Murphy for their past actions and that is deeply impacting my take on this. Luckily, I don't have to be non-biased in any way as I am not their judge or jury.
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10 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:
As usual, what I find tremendously useful is how sensitive issues like this latest one with CK really bring out the true colors of people, good, bad and indifferent.
I am willing to wait for an investigation into the matter on Kelly's guilt/innocence this time but his past behavior is very concerning to me as a CFL fan and I, of course, think it has a large role to play in the veracity with which the CFL should conduct it's investigation. I certainly don't blame anyone for calling out Kelly's behavior, IF TRUE, as he is a repeat offender of acts that are not befitting of a professional CFL player.
This isn't a new opinion of mine, not jumping on any kind of bandwagon here. I personally feel that the CFL should have never ratified his contract in the first place and have held this opinion before the Argos even signed him. He was initially a guy that I wanted the Bombers to sign a few years ago, then I did some digging on him and wouldn't want him within restraining order distance of my team. My opinion of him will never change, but it is not grounded in these current events.
I hope these events are not true, and are a fabrication, and Kelly really has gotten his life straightened out. He is a talented football player and our league needs those. I am, and I believe rightfully so, highly skeptical that he is innocent.
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26 minutes ago, Mike said:
It didn’t happen.
That's your opinion. Committing a felony trespass, then cozying up next to a sleeping woman and child, then uttering threats at her and her room mate on the way out....yea,,,,that doesn't scream weirdo at all. Ms. South Carolina would probably fill you in on a thing or two about him as well.
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9 minutes ago, TrueBlue4ever said:
Didn’t think there was any sexual component to it. He was drunk after a team party and walked into the wrong house. Got beaten up by the husband with a vacuum cleaner hose for sitting on their couch and rambling incoherently. Plead guilty to misdemeanour trespass. But hasn’t been convicted for being a sexual predator, AFAIK.
Splitting hairs. He was also sued for assault that same night against a camera man, and was in an "altercation" with a woman afterwards. He just innocently walked over to the wrong house, went in, got cozy on the couch next to the female resident with no ill intentions. Not buying it. He traumatized this poor woman. He was charged with 1st degree criminal trespass which is a felony offence. This was later plea bargained down to a 2nd degree which made it a misdemeanor but that is likely the function of having an NFL player calibre lawyer.
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8 minutes ago, TBURGESS said:
I'm not minimizing anything, nor did I didn't say it is acceptable to me.
This comment proves what I'm actually saying. You've already decided guilt based on only one side of the story. You assume that anyone who wants to know the other side of the story is a horrible human being who thinks sexual harassment is OK. Par for the course. Have an opinion based on part the information and then attack those who question your opinion.
Assuming that the contract has an end date that has passed, then the team doesn't have to renew it even if they have renewed it multiple times before. That's one difference between contract workers and employees.
Lets take Bailey as an example. Multiple contracts. Didn't do anything wrong. Bombers decided not to pick him up this year. No harm. No foul.
I have not decided guilt but if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, This isn't new or out of the ordinary behavior for him. Sorry, but if this was some out of the blue accusation against a guy with no priors I might be more inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt. Sorry, but this isn't some new concept. Past offences are always used in court to establish a person's past proclivity for committing the offence.
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9 minutes ago, TrueBlue4ever said:
I missed that. When was that?
He was charged and convicted of breaking into a woman's home, sitting on the couch next to her while she slept with her 2 year old son, before being chased out by the woman's room mate when she awoke to find him there. God knows what his intentions were. This was while he was a player with the Broncos.
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46 minutes ago, TBURGESS said:
It's not wrongful dismissal. They didn't dismiss her, they simply didn't pick up her next contract.
Corroboration of at least the bus part of the complaint should be easy, but we don't even have that yet, but assuming the story is true, and we only have her side of it, it's workplace harassment & likely uttering threats.
People need to stop throwing around terms like 'Sexual Predator'. It weakens the term so much as to be useless. Asking a girl out, even multiple times, and complaining that she was going out with someone else on a bus doesn't rise to the level of Sexual Predator.
Everyone jumping on the bandwagon to 'protect' her after only hearing her side of the story is exactly why they went to the media in the first place. Kelly & Murphy have already been convicted in the court of public opinion. The Argos can't attack her or the story without coming off as evil. IMO that's why we won't see anything in the press from there side.
People do not need to stop throwing around the term sexual predator, he has been charged and convicted in the past for it. Maybe, it doesn't apply in this case exactly but when you add up his history with the current situation the term is maybe a bit harsh but certainly not by much.
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35 minutes ago, Mike said:
Mostly just that everyone is already proclaiming this guy is guilty because he’s got a reputation and if it were a Bomber, there would be cries of “let the process play out”
I wonder if anyone ever stopped to wonder if the reason this became public is because he has this reputation and the woman knew this would be effective.
Disclaimer: if he’s guilty of the claims, he’s a total piece of crap
I just see the double standard here for what it is and someone’s right to due process shouldn't depend on what team colours they wear
"He's got a reputation" is about the nicest way you can sum up Kelly's past transgressions. Here is a reminder of the who exactly Chad Kelly has PROVEN himself to be. It shouldn't be minimized. He has two past serious transgressions against women, one that resulted in criminal charges. You want us all to give him the benefit of the doubt? Why should we? This isn't the same as some guy with a squeaky clean record being accused, there is a crap load of very serious precedents here. Could the allegations be false? Certainly they could, but in the case of Kelly he has set the bar of perception for himself and he needs to wear it. I have no sympathy for the guy whatsoever. Toronto knew full well who he is when they signed him too.
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6 minutes ago, TBURGESS said:
It's not wrongful dismissal. They didn't dismiss her, they simply didn't pick up her next contract.
Corroboration of at least the bus part of the complaint should be easy, but we don't even have that yet, but assuming the story is true, and we only have her side of it, it's workplace harassment & likely uttering threats.
People need to stop throwing around terms like 'Sexual Predator'. It weakens the term so much as to be useless. Asking a girl out, even multiple times, and complaining that she was going out with someone else on a bus doesn't rise to the level of Sexual Predator.
Everyone jumping on the bandwagon to 'protect' her after only hearing her side of the story is exactly why they went to the media in the first place. Kelly & Murphy have already been convicted in the court of public opinion. The Argos can't attack her or the story without coming off as evil. IMO that's why we won't see anything in the press from there side.
Nice...minimizing sexual harrassement. You must be a fun guy at the office parties. In what world is hitting on a co-worker to the point of harrassment, then starting rumors about her to her co-workers, then threatening her with harm, acceptable to you? This is not acceptable behavior in any professional setting....EVER.
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13 minutes ago, TrueBlue4ever said:
For one possible answer, see the general (but not universal) difference in reaction to Andrew Harris’ failed drug test and the justification that it was a tainted sample/useless old school steroid no one would take/so minimal in reading it was effectively useless and the corresponding response to Leonard’s test refusal (and therefore unknown what if anything he was on) in Saskatchewan and all the PED Leonard comments.
Not the same comparison at all. Night and day difference in the offence for most people. Harris, whether roiding or not, did not hurt anyone but his own reputation and body if he was guilty. This is violence against women. Like I said, night and day.
When Harris got caught, I was mostly who cares about it. That's because I personally believe that there is a good % of athletes who are doping and at the end of the day I don't really personally care if they are or not. Violence against women is a much different type of offence.
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4 minutes ago, Brandon said:
In fairness she could be mainly doing this for attention and/or to kill Kelly's reputation.
Maybe. Should be a pretty easy investigation then. However, not many professionals burn their bridges in a close knit industry for attention or just to randomly character assassinate someone. Is it possible? Sure it is. The probability of that is very, very low though.
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On 2024-02-28 at 4:20 PM, wbbfan said:
Who is this years marine? That’s the real question. Maybe back to a Charles Nelson Esq kr who also starts at wr?
Goodspeed would likely be a day 1 starter on this years team even more so. But I can’t imagine he is ever crossing that border.Lofton is such a bad option at rt, I kind of expect it to be him. “He does soo much more out side of pass and run pro… he’s the best damned water boy in the league!”
I disagree on Lofton, with the caveat that I hope someone else is better. Last year, Lofton was actually middle of the pack in the CFL for OTs by PFF. So not stellar, but certainly not a terrible option either. If someone else beats him out in TC, we will be in pretty good shape at RT.
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1 minute ago, bluto said:
Obvious syllogism between using accusations as leverage in lawsuits is obvious.
No, it is not obvious at all. The amount she is asking for is not worth it at all. This isn't some kind of frivolous attempt to get rich.
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31 minutes ago, bluto said:
Like I said, there are a lot of men on the CFL internet right now who have never had a friend or loved one go through an acrimonious divorce, and it shows.
Don't compare this to an acrimonious divorce. You are trying to minimize the situation by reframing it and it shows. This isn't the case of a lover scorned and you putting it into that kind of comparison can only serves to minimize the victim's credibility while garnering sympathy for the accused. This is a workplace sexual harrassment investigation, let's get that straight.
I get it that you really want Kelly and the Argos to be blameless here, a victim of a hatchet job by a crazed ex-employee hell bent on revenge. The investigation will tell us whether there is an inkling of truth to that. Right now all logic points to the victim being credible. She really has nothing to gain in comparison to what she has and will lose.
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3 minutes ago, bluto said:
I'm not dismissing it. Really. Just presenting the other side of the coin while people gather up their torches and pitchforks.
I have no trouble at all believing that a pro athlete hit on a coworker and crossed a boundary. Especially in this day and age where boundaries for that are basically set at zero-tolerance by default (which I have no beef with).
And yeah, we know that he's a loon. But he's now been painted as a sexual harasser in national media. That's a different sort of reputational hit. And if it was because he asked a girl out at work, that's pretty harsh.
Him even asking the girl out is at best highly inappropriate. If any of what she says is true as to what took place afterwards than Kelly is most definitely a harrasser.
1 minute ago, Mike said:I wonder how we’d be reacting to this news if it were about Dalton Schoen
We likely wouldn't be too pleased with Dalton for being such a bonehead.
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16 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:
Leo turned into a very good OLB. Too bad we had to trade him to Hamilton along with SB Gord Patterson. Patterson & Jauch couldn't stand one another. He benched Patterson in 1979 even though we were the first team in the CFL to get rid of the TE (Ezerins) in favour of an extra SB.. That should have been Patterson but Jauch said nope.
Yea...Leo was a really good player. I remember him being traded. Tough day for me, I was a big fan.
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7 minutes ago, 17to85 said:
Kelly didn't have much of a reputation to start with.
Yea...unfortunately his baggage comes into play whether it is relevant or not to this particular situation.
56 minutes ago, bluto said:Too late for that now, my dude.
And if the "investigation" yields no basis for the allegation, how does Kelly and the Argos get their reputation restored? Do they get to sue the Accuser? will they face civil or criminal charges? We know that they won't. It's a free hit as part of a civil wrongful dismissal case designed to produce a nice, easy settlement.
Maybe it is a hit piece from a disgruntled ex-employee, but it very well might be that this employee was earnestly wronged. You seem to be dismissing that possibility. Kelly has a long history of troubled behavior, and this unfortunately lends some credence to the need for an investigation of these allegations. If it found to be much ado about nothing, then I am sure the CFL will move on and the Argos will still have their star QB. Restoring his reputation? You may not realize this because you are a died in the wool Argos fan, but most of the fans around the league regarded Kelly as a wingnut even prior to this.
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21 hours ago, wbbfan said:
What year range? That’s super cool.
I'm thinking like 81 or 82. I was about 11 or 12 so it's a bit murky exactly what year. It was at a BBQ at his house. My brother took us there as he was our babysitter and he was invited by Leo's sister. There were other Bomber players there but I wasn't a fanatic until I was about 15 or 16 so I don't really recall who exactly.
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7 minutes ago, Noeller said:
If he did what she says he did, then I 100% hope he's gone and never comes back. **** any ******* that tries that greasy **** on women.... and that goes double for Murphy, if he did what she says he did. He's even worse for trying to sweep it under the rug. *IF* what she says is true, they should both be long, gone and forgotten.
I agree. Just hope that's not the case.
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1 hour ago, Tracker said:CFL opens investigation into allegations made against Toronto Argos, Chad KellyThe Canadian Football League has started its inquest into the lawsuit filed against the Toronto Argonauts and franchise quarterback Chad Kelly.CFL commissioner Randy Ambrosie issued the following statement on Wednesday afternoon:“The CFL is committed to creating healthy and positive working and playing environments for all those associated with the league and its member clubs.
We take the allegations against the Toronto Argonauts and Mr. Kelly very seriously and we have opened an investigation in accordance with the league’s Gender-based Violence Policy.
Out of respect for this process and all the parties involved, we will not be able to provide further comment until our investigation has been completed.”I guess where this is much ado about something after all. As much as I like giving Bluto the gears, I hope this doesn't result in Kelly having his contract/CFL career terminated. We need all our star QBs.
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6 minutes ago, kelownabomberfan said:
Stefan LeFors?
yeah don't they realize that the male Rider fans enjoy bringing their cousin-wives to games? Why mess with that grand tradition with this stupid message. Oh well. Looks bad on the Riders as everything else seems to.
That franchise just can't get out of it's own damn way....and I LOVE that about them.
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20 hours ago, Brandon said:
No thanks, I'd rather not drive out of my way to a Wendys only to find out that the prices are hiked up because they are busier. I'm pretty sure during the quiet periods that Wendys won't be knocking down the prices of the food items by a large %.
Plus it's Wendy's and not very good.
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2023/2024 Blue Bombers Off-Season Thread (BRADY’S BACK! DALTON’S BACK!)
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If we ran into injury problems, Geoff Gray is still a FA. We could very likely go that route unless he is picked up before the season.