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22 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:
MOS showing his displeasure with him, JJ very animated in trying to coach him up while showing him plays on his playcard, Wilson trying to get Mitchell more engaged on the sidelines as Mitchell would drift off and stand alone while the D was on.
Yea, there were two plays in a row that Mitchell, just half arsed his routes at a light jog, Frustrated? Doesn't matter. Unprofessional, and MOS and JJ let him have it. I would be shocked if we see him again, and this probably solves the 'mystery" of why he never saw the field much this year. It wasn't some bias by MOS as previously reported.
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12 hours ago, wbbfan said:
it’s too bad, a us league could do really well with a faster play clock, 3 downs, motion/wagle and a wider field.
Don't forget a longer field, goal posts on the goal line, and a 25 yard end zone. All key elements to exciting football.
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17 hours ago, Brandon said:
I was talking about Mike Kelly.... bring back the wild cat and get rid of the highschool shotgun formation baloney!!
Don't forget the jet sweeps.
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11 minutes ago, bigg jay said:
But he's still under contract through 2027 (and the amount goes up in each of the next 2 seasons) so that may hamstring them a bit, in terms of what they can afford to pay Faj unless they can get him to redo his deal or pawn it off on another team.
....or they could cut him. I can't see a universe where any team pays him 425k next year. None of his 3 year contract is guaranteed. He'll be gone before his bonus comes due imo. The guy outright sucked this year. If they try run it back with him and let Faj go they are complete idiots and deserve the 2 win season they will have. Cody has proven that Ford was completely inadequate by having a winning record with the same squad that Ford could only win one game with.
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2 hours ago, DTonOB said:
Doug doesn't like kicking off in both halves and said so during the Edmonton game and in the post-game show. O'Shea very clearly believes that kicking off twice is okay if he gets the wind in the long quarters. So, I was curious to find how many times each team had kicked off twice (as a proxy for 'taking the wind in the 4th').
Yea....you looked it up and proved that MOS is onto something. Sitting back without context it appears to be a bad decision in theory. In actual practice you can't argue the results. Not just from the MOS led Bombers but overall.
3 hours ago, 17to85 said:For a team that relied on grinding out wins, especially late in the game ensuring you have the wind in the long quarter isn't always a bad thing.
Yep. There are a lot of things we can question MOS about but this isn't one of them imo. I'll take wind in the 4th over first possession of the half 9/10 times. It's the smart play imo.
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5 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:
He's too big of a risk because of physical limitations from his injury before you even factor in the BS.
The guy hasn't played since last year. We are screaming up and down about what a goof it was to sign Dalton Schoen. Same thing really. I wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole right now when you factor in he is a wing nut. If we decide to move on from Zac, and I really don't see many better options, I would hope it isn't to sign him.
2 minutes ago, bearpants said:Faj > Kelly... 100% of the time for me... Faj may be a bit of a dink but at least he's a decent human being...
Fajardo has led the Esks to the precipice of a playoff spot. Edmonton will lock him down. Ford is not the future there and they know it.
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4 minutes ago, bigg jay said:
Talk is about Chad Kelly, not Mike Kelly.
My bad. PTSD I guess. Thank goodness, I thought this place had gone off the deep end once and for all.
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1 hour ago, 17to85 said:
You sure about that? Lapo has his system and it's been the same for ever. Not all that different from what Hogan is trying to do, just lapo is better at it. For my money collaros would struggle in a lapo system because it relies on a lot of short passing which is absolutely the weakest part of collaros game.
Yea...I'm sure. Lapo would have control of his QB. Collaros can easily play a ball control style. He doesn't like it, but he could.
1 hour ago, Tracker said:I'm a big believer in second chances, but Kelly's personality and track record indicates that this is his core personality and unlikely to change. He might suppress it for a while under duress, but leopards and spots...
I can't even believe that anyone would even entertain the notion of bringing back Mike Kelly. This is just insanity. I couldn't care less about his perviness, the guy was an absolute disaster as a coach, an even worse GM, and single handedly destroyed our reputation and made us the laughing stock of the league. I would rather hire the Saskatchewan guy who likes to poop in Winnipeg planters than Kelly.
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17 hours ago, Booch said:
I see a bc and mtl final as well...
Hamilton would be nice tho to break their drought. Be funny too with all our cast offs being deemed not good enough...not worth the price...or alienated by this staff...be nice kick to the onions for the tall foreheads here
We have supplied Hamilton with serious upgrades in talent. Not a single bit of that has been from our cast offs though. Unless, you wanna call Lawler and Dobson castoffs which they most certainly are not. The rest of the players that have gone there have made little to no impact. Roster fillers and/or injured most of the season. Still banging the Garbutt/Fox drum and that is sad. They suck.....1 sack combined. Yep....that will win the cup for Hamilton. Really...honestly...you think Fox/Garbutt/Hubert/Wolitarsk (injured almost all year)/BOLO represent any kind of missed opportunity by the Bombers? That just shows your overwhelming bias against our coaches. Those guys aren't why we are losing. Lawler/Dobson....yep,,,they are big factors in our **** season. They ain't castoffs tho. They are gone due to poor GMing. Man, what could have been if Walters had done his job.
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15 hours ago, Brandon said:
It's called being a realist. If I were to have to put money down on who wins the Grey Cup... I most certainly would lean towards putting that money on the Riders over the Bombers this season. It's not being a "bad fan" , it's called being a realist.
Everyone on here "hopes" the Blue can pull off a miracle and win it this season. It's just that based on what they have shown it's highly unlikely. So people are saying what the 2nd best option would be. For myself I say Hamilton because I'd rather that fan base gets to enjoy a Grey Cup win over listening to Rider fans celebrate and be ultra annoying about winning the cup.
Agreed, IF the Bombers aren't the team to win it all then I hope it is the TiCats. Personally, I will cheer for the Bombers though and think that they could still get to the Cup. Got to be consistent though.
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19 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:
Can Zach change his style? We have not seen evidence of this yet..
Will the coaching staff push him to change? See above.
Yep...hence what we have seen this year. Not saying it's going to happen, just saying it's what needs to happen. I think we may have been a lot better off hiring Lapo over Hogan. Lapo love him or hate him, would not have continually tried to put a square peg in a round hole.
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14 hours ago, Noeller said:
I need context for this....
Context goes against the hate agenda here. Here is the ultimate context, we went 17-4 in that span. Poor coaching indeed. Obviously, MOS would rather have the choice of field in the 2nd half vs getting the ball for one possession but that runs against the narrative here where criticism rarely comes with context. Everything MOS bad....that's all we need to know. The teams who have made the choice to kickoff twice have won by an almost 3-1 margin. Yep that Oshea is dumb alright. Now we will hear the drivel of we won in spite of the bad decision, but the fact shows that coaches who have done so have been enormously successful when making this choice, not just OSH. Yet here we go, after Derek Taylor gives us the ONLY way to judge whether this decision is sound or not, and people are still beaking off calling it poor coaching? This forum has taken a leave of it's senses this year. Pitchforks are out and not a lot is making sense anymore. Just blind hate for everything. Sad really.
Guys who know football around here and should know the decision to kickoff twice gives us the choice of wind are just completely disregarding that because it doesn't jive with their agenda and it has completely dumbed down the conversation around here. There is no balance whatsoever, just cherry picking out of context. Get used to it. It's not going to get any better. We have an almost cult of personality developing here.
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Zach ain't what he used to be for sure, but his arm is not cooked. He needs help around him, play calling that makes sense, a coach that will reign him in, and a little more self awareness. He isn't MOP calibre anymore, but he is still capable of being a lot better than what he has shown this year. Gone are the days of Zach taking control of a game on a consistent basis, but he can certainly manage our games a lot better if we can create the right conditions. That being said, his salary needs to reflect that if we are going to bring him back. There is no reason in the world he can't re-invent himself like Harris and BLM have done if everyone comes to terms with the fact he has to do so, including himself.
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On 2025-10-08 at 12:02 PM, Bubba Zanetti said:
So Tim Horton's has stopped selling all of their soups and chili as of October 1. Just beyond f**king stupid. Those were pretty much the only edible things still on their menu. Right before soup and chili season no less. Just braindead s**t from the moronic out of touch tall foreheads at corporate.
Totally 100% agree. Not to mention that soups are probably one of the best mark ups in all of the restaurant business and is still an actual drawing card for many because very few people offer it anymore..
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58 minutes ago, Bubba Zanetti said:
I still cant wrap my head around the fact that anyone actually even watches this show, let alone be upset enough to take out an ad about new cast members. I mean a dog and a cop crime fighting show?? Sounds like Turner and Hooch.
Well until you guys have owned a crime fighting Private investigator dog I wouldn't expect you to understand.
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9 minutes ago, bryan35 said:
But hey come on......its just easier to blame Oshea for poor roster management.
He is guilty of poor roster management for sure but the logic people are extending here to the effect of that is mind boggling. Instead of just looking at the real cause for our losses, that being talent and depth drain in the trenches, they would rather fantasize that we had the talent here all along but it was on the bench. The second biggest reason is that our best players made some big time mistakes in each of those games....but nah....if we had dressed Miles Fox that would have overcome that. SMH.
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51 minutes ago, Tracker said:
For most Blue Bomber fans, the frustration comes from losing games (including Grey Cup games) when a few obvious changes would have won those games but our head coach was too damned stubborn to make those changes.
What obvious changes would have won any of those games. Show your work. To say add this guy and subtract that guy would have won is not provable in any way. We could have made those "obvious" changes and lost even worse. None of us can say otherwise. To say we definitely win if this guys starts and this guy sits is not fact, it's opinion, and one that couldn't be proven one way or another. In all of those Grey Cups I watched players that were indisputable to be in our lineup make mistakes that gave the other team points and momentum. Maybe we should have sat them too? That's an inconvenient truth in all of this. Last year we lost mainly because our 1st and 2nd string QBs were injured. We had nothing but ham n' eggers left to play or a QB trying to gut it out. Those were our options. Anyone thinking Dolegala comes off the bench to lead us to the Grey Cup against that defence is dreaming in technicolor. We had one shot and one shot only at victory, Zach Collaros being able to gut it out. He couldn't but that doesn't change the fact he was our only option at victory.
33 minutes ago, JohnnyAbonny said:Our DL besides Willie didn’t have the chops in that game at all. OL didn’t play well either. Agree there was bad roster management but Toronto was still the more talented team in the trenches imo.
It showed in the game we lost to themhere late last season too.As was Montreal the year before.....and it doesn't matter who we had rostered, it was always going to be that way. We didn't have the horses. The Montreal game it was a calamity of errors by some of our best players that cost us victory not roster usage. Last year we simply could not compete with them in the trenches no matter who we dressed. 2022, again, our strength was our secondary. ELITE secondary all year that gets completely run over by Chad Kelly. Not roster usage there either. Big time players make big time plays. IF those plays are positive we win.....our best players were the ones that cost us in all 3 of those years. Plays that should have been made were not. For 3 years I have been talking about our talent erosion overall, and guys around here are beaking about how Jake Dolegala or Miles Fox would have won us the Grey Cup? The myopia is strong with this roster usage thing, probably because the drum has been banged so hard on it. Wanna know why we lost the last 3 Grey Cups? Their talent made plays and our didn't....and yea we got whupped in the trenches all 3 years because our talent has eroded on both sides of the ball in the trenches. Those are the REAL facts. Self inflicted wounds? Sure...by the players themselves not manning up when it was time to do so.
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2 hours ago, Booch said:
and we went 29....invalid point really in regards to what people are discussing.
guess you have never played....the players see it as a failure...not getting to the cip is easier to stomach then getting there...being favored and then slitting your own throat 3x straight from stupidity and stubborn incompetence
most players in history will say it's meaningless...sure it nice....losing one maybe from self inflicted errors is easier to absorb...3 in a row....it sticks with guys, and not in a happy oh shucks we got there...yeehaw kinda way
Saying losing with stupidity...the same stupidity 3 yrs running being a sucess is prob also one the dumber things said in a forum in some time...bordering on ever
I played, not pro, but high level ball in the US. Never once did any of my team mates ever view a winning season as a failure. I can honestly say that to a man NONE did because we got rid of those kind of poor character guys in training camp. So don't give us that bullshit. Every single guy went to war with each other each of those years and are proud of them. You saying otherwise either shows that as a player you had a piss poor attitude that likely was the reason you couldn't stick in the pros, or you are completely full of **** about that in the first place. Quit talking like you da man and have some kind of deeper insight into how a football team operates. You don't. Sick of this bullshit on your part already. You don't speak for every pro player out there and how they think. You only speak for how YOU might view it, and like I said that would get you an awfully short pro resume.
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26 minutes ago, Dr Zaius said:
Whatever man, just glad I don't share your outlook on things. Success by one's team is a terrible thing to waste.
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17 hours ago, Dr Zaius said:
Losing 3 Grey Cups in a row isn't an accomplishment.
Getting to the Grey Cup is meaningless. It's the same as missing the playoffs or losing in rounds 1 or 2.
This team has been a failure for 3 years and it's all been self inflicted.
This is ridiculous. Completely ridiculous. I don't like that we didn't capitalize on our last 3 Grey Cup appearances, but dismissing the fact we got there as meaningless might just be the dumbest thing I've read on this forum in quite some time. There is nothing remotely the same about missing the playoffs and winning your division 3 straight years and advancing to the championship game. My gosh some people here have a sense of entitlement that makes Rider fans look good. The only failure that I'm seeing is a complete lack of cognition and reality by some of the fan base around here. These guys played their asses off for us, show a little bit of class. Saying they were no better than the RedBlacks, or the Craig Dickenson Riders is so far out to lunch I am gobsmacked. You guys are trying so hard to hate right now that I feel sorry for you.
11 hours ago, Noeller said:When we get to the point that "getting to the Cup is meaningless" then we are truly spoiled beyond belief. All those years in the wilderness just trying to make playoffs... And here we are with (apparently) the expectation that you need to win the cup every single year or you're a failure. Truly heady stuff.
I used to ridicule Rider fans for comments like that. Makes me sick that some here are echoing that behavior. Pure hubris and entitlement. The last 5 years has seen a historic run of success for our franchise and some here don't appreciate it at all. I guess these guys missed the 90's and 00', and 10's where we truly were bad. Getting to the Grey Cup is a failure that 7 other teams would have been excited to call their own.
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11 hours ago, Noeller said:
I've never seen so much whining coming off a 40-3 beatdown of the top team in the East...
Why does this surprise you? The whining started in 2023 and we've won our division twice and went to two Grey Cups in that time span. The agenda is strong here and wins won't get in the way of that. We could have pitched a shut out and people would be complaining how the defence could have not only secured the shut out but scored points if Jake Thomas didn't get his twelve snaps in that game.
17 minutes ago, outofprovincefan said:I think the "whining" is coming from the frustration in several of the other games this season.
Nah....we had the same whining in 2023 and 2024. It's just baked in now.
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19 hours ago, BomberBall. said:
This is just not true. Sure, a player or coach isn’t going to blab to some random fan asking a bunch of questions, but having known front office people and a few players throughout the years, they absolutely do give insight into their team. There has to be trust involved, but it definitely happens.
Insight....sure. They will not privately criticize their team or team mates outside the dressing room or give a lot away about locker room dynamics. Just doesn't happen. I won't name names, but during the Mike Kelly days, I had a former player who was a daily customer of mine at my sports bar. We got to know each other very well, he would come to my house couple times a week even for beers. He would talk about the team, but never in much detail and very diplomatically. If he had something bad to say he just wouldn't say it and he told me as much. He was a professional and this is ingrained in being a professional. He ended up on another CFL team during Kelly's reign, and when he came back to town he stopped in. That is when the truth came out. It was shocking because what he told me I would never have guessed from the hours I spent with him talking. They are extremely guarded and protective of the dressing room. If they aren't the leaders of the team will take them to task. If that doesn't work you usually see them down the road.
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20 hours ago, HardCoreBlue said:
Debatable.
Not even a little bit debatable. Fastest way to be shunned by your team mates is by talking dressing room with people outside the dressing room. I would bet big dollars that applies even more under FIFO. Players may talk to outsiders but it's more of them just kind of telling them whatever they wanna hear vs, the truth. If a guy loves the coach, the player will praise him. If the guy hates the coach. the player will go along with it. It isn't the truth. It's just a player, a lot of times, just humoring a fan.
18 hours ago, Arnold_Palmer said:Interested to see if Wheatfall gets back into the line up after the best game of the season from Zach.
If he's healthy he likely will.
20 hours ago, Goalie said:In 2025 with social media it’s definitely debatable
Those guys get an apple and a road map pretty quick.
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28 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:
I have no idea what the locker room dynamics are with the BB’s, the real stuff that goes on, the good and the bad and how all of this has facilitated and/or not facilitated their objective of being a championship team. All we do here is look from the outside and wonder or speculate based on the little we know (unless of course one has credible inside sources who minimize their bias’s when sharing that intel). This is the stuff I find interesting.
There is not a single person on this forum that can truthfully say they have any insight on the inner dynamics of the Blue Bombers dressing room. Not one member. There may be guys on this forum that occasionally might hear this and that but the source would have to be a disgruntled and unprofessional player, and therefore not a true representation of the locker room at all. No player with even an ounce of professionalism or commitment to the team would comment anything to anybody outside the confines of the locker room. PERIOD.
1 hour ago, HardCoreBlue said:You're right but aren't vets suppose to lead the way i.e., first guy out there last guy to leave?
Every single team in the CFL and even NFL uses vet cards but we do it and somehow our HC should be fired. What a nothing burger.
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Yea, all 3 were kind of duds. You lose Lawler you better bring in someone a heck of a lot better than Sterns/White/Mitchell. It's this kind of GMing that has cost us dearly this year. Over the past several years we have lost enormous amounts of top tier talent with B rate replacements signed to replace them. That has led us to this. Our complete lack of quality depth is also a big time issue. We haven't seen much in that regard since RIgmaiden left town.