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2 hours ago, Booch said:
I agree on the bolded....and that happens often, and when the coords are dropping a duece it's on Osh to get in their ear....blast them....over rule...whatever, and he fails not to....unless.....the poor results is a result of him actually over ruling already....possible??....who knows...but there is a major disconnect many times with out in game coaching/communication...and it kills us
I do know coaches get input but the notion he gives them exactly what they want I have doubts and never have heard that....and the coaches are not gonna publically say they wished they got other players to use....wont happen...but they will say all the things are rosey stuff tho...same with players.....well most
The part about the ratio tho...is accurate and some his decisions on how he uses it hinders the roster and whom the coords can use....
Osh is a good coach for sure...leader of men maybe moreso....but have some doubts/questions about his X nd O ability and making in game decisions...or lack there off.....he has major flaws that have been glossed over and we have overcome with a real good roster....we dont have that now..
I agree that given our current roster it is irresponsible to not use every advantage we can such as IMP with national designation rules etc. We have discovered that we are a top notch team as far as overall roster but we certainly aren't above the pack. It's time for MOS to use any and all avenues available to field the best roster possible. I have never suggested that roster decisions don't have some impact on our ability to win. Of course they do. However, over the past few years we still should have won any game we lost with the lineup we had if they play to their potential. This year we may need more than that. I am hoping this loss last week will begin to convince our coaches and GMs that our roster needs to be optimized both outside of game day and inside of game day.
No one will ever convince me that sitting Jake Thomas, as one example, will win us more games but given what we saw last week it may be time to hedge our bets and use the roster to it's full optimization. Of FAR more importance to our success, we need to close the country club atmosphere and get back to work.
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2 minutes ago, Goalie said:
But who the **** replaces that guy with a guy who has looked worse at center every chance he’s gotten. Honestly. 7 years of Eli is the next one. Eli this. He’s not some fresh faced rookie. He’s a ******* Vet in reality a vet backup. Didn’t realize it was kolo under throwing balls and interceptions tho. Cuz oline looked pretty great our week 1 with a different QB.
Our OL sucked last game, as did our DL, secondary, QB and STs. Last week's game had nothing to do with roster decisions. Our whole roster sucked and so did our coaching and evidently locker room leadership.
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2 hours ago, 17to85 said:
And if we dressed some healthier receivers in 2023 maybe they make those handful of plays... maybe if an injured collaros is taken out of the game last year they makes some plays to win...
Roster decisions have 100% impacted the teams ability to make the plays necessary to win the tight games. That's the whole point! When it's that close you can't afford to handicap yourself. Again they got away with a lot more in the past because they had a very strong and very deep roster, but the depth has been eroded and and starters are aging and becoming less consistent. Time is coming quickly when the roster management problems become more and more of an issue.
The roster we had on the field was capable of winning. Maybe if my aunt had nuts she'd be my uncle is not a coherent argument to make. I will agree that Collaros not being taken out MIGHT have been a mistake, but one that can not be definitively proven. Maybe we put in Dolegala or Wilson for the remainder and they throw 3 INTs and we lose by a larger margin. We will never know. I do agree that depth has been depleted somewhat, and that in part is what the crux of my argument is. We have people sitting here saying that our depth is depleted but we should play our depth anyway because they are better than who the coaches have identified as starters. Pick a lane, the argument can't work both ways.
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13 hours ago, Tracker said:
I have been watching O'Shea. Last season and the two previous seasons he kept fielding sub-par players (like Kolankowski when Tui Eli was available and has LOST three consecutive Grey Cup games when they were emiinently winnable. Winning big in the regular season is all well and good, but it counts for squat in the post-season.
Can you say that our roster decisions took us out of any of those games? Nope you can't because that is a fictional narrative. The teams we fielded could have won all of those games if they flip a handful of plays they erred on. I am not suggesting roster decisions can't make things tougher to win, they can. However, whatever lineup we fielded in any of those games had the opportunity and ability to win those games. The fact they didn't is because at key moments of the game they did not make a play they should have/could have made.
8 hours ago, Booch said:HC takes input...but he has last say and essentially sets lineup and roster...and essentially declares who he wants to see with player use and reps
As @SpeedFlex27 said...basically signs off on the game day roster. He dictates who he wants out there based on gameplan they came up with.
Good HC allows for most part his coordinators to come up with it and may offer input, but they give them essentially full creative control of it (and we do that here) but they control who is used to deploy it...
All in game decisions...strategic...player performance (pulling a guy...injury replacement etc) is head coach...he is in total control of game day...and it's also up to him to get in ears of coordinators to make changes and adjustments when things are going off rails...in the end...he wears it
This isn't assumption or opinion...its from being in the room...being in team mtgs as both a player and a coach...seeing it first hand...and it's basically like that everywhere
Pierce, Hall, and Younger have all stated that they tell O'Shea who they want in the lineup and that almost always he makes it happen except for moves made to appease ratio. They meet early in the week to discuss lineups based on new injuries, and then work in collaboration on lineups. Of course, MOS has final say but he is not forcing players on any of his coordinators unless ratio has to do with it. Hall even stated that more often than not we are forcing players on him, and he almost always gets it done for us.
Before either of you say I am licking MOS boots, I'm not. Last game his coaching was terrible and is in dire need of improvement. I just don't think it was for the reasons being thrown around this forum. My problem with his coaching was that he did not have the team we fielded adequately motivated and prepared to compete. That is also equally on the coordinators who are very conveniently being overlooked as gross underperformers last game. Dickenson's crew took them behind the woodshed and taught Hogan and Younger lessons. Couple that with a group of players who went on bye week 3 hours too early and we got what we got. I don't care what roster moves we make for that game the result would have been similar because only a handful of guys showed up prepared to play, and the gameplans from our coordinators were bunk.
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39 minutes ago, wbbfan said:
So we sign Patrick Surtain, reigning NFL MODP. He isn't an upgrade over Bridges until he proves it, even if Bridges is proven to be below replacement level?
If that were remotely true, free agency wouldn't be what it is, and defenders wouldn't get paid to go to other teams. That might be the earliest point you are able to recognize an on-field value differential, but that isn't a blanket that covers everyone's eyes.
To that point, TC and PS would be completely worthless.
That doesn't prove that he is willing to make the changes, it proves he is only willing to do it at the last possible minute after it's cost us repeatedly.
Go sign Surtain and see if he is not a starter day one. C'mon man....you are reaching on that one. TC a player has to beat the player ahead of him. It doesn't go to the rookie in a tie or if there is even some debate. That's coaching 101 stuff. I like that J. Jones has the potential to replace T. Jones. When he demonstrates that to Osh and Younger I will be happy to see him succeed here. You say he is better now, but our coaches disagree. We don't have guys riding the pine because they are the better option NOW unless ratio comes into play. No coach in the world leaves a guy on the bench that is clearly better than the guy ahead of him with all things being equal.
What we call roster mismanagement is valid in some respects, but not all. Some of it is based on the age old fan belief that the 2nd stringer is better than the 1st stringer WAAAAAAAY more often than is the actual case.
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1 minute ago, Booch said:
That defence got pressure from 3 and 4 guys...cause they employed guys to get it done...big difference...Huge
And playing a injured player as yhour "best roster decision" is a brutal excuse....and even if so....then wholly crap your roster IS in serious dissaray...you basically just confirmed that it was poorly constructed
and doesnt Osh say..."they are all starter quality...thats why they here"....and "if they are in the building it's because we believe they give us a chance to win"....so either a) prove that b) practice what you preace....or shutthefuckup and get guys in who can do either of those quotes
You can only construct a roster with who you have available. If that talent is lesser than, that's not on the coach.
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4 minutes ago, wbbfan said:
As a rotational Lber, his 2023 performance rushing the passer in Toronto would be 3rd best for us, in the past 4 seasons among all players. 1 behind JJ, and 4 behind WJs best year since 19. He's the most disruptive player we have on D, and the best range of any lber on our roster. Top 2 for tackling ability too. Tony jones is a lunch box guy, jonathon jones is one of the best lbers in the league.
We can also pretend that we haven't started the last several years with brutally bad DBs who get replaced by younger guys who are instantly better. The Tyquann Glass, rock Cartrights etc. Or that Josh Johnson was better than anyone little on Wheatfall, who did Colin Kornelson beat out lmao. No one in this league would argue Kornelson has any business taking reps over Adams and Lawson. And yet he does.
Anyone can watch Kola in iso and see he can't pass block or find guys to block when he gets downfield in the run game. All he can do is snap the ball well. He is the most limited player in the entire league. Look at the riders OL, they've surpassed us. Look at Randolph handily outplaying Lofton's level from last year. Look at Venterpool being maybe our best OL in his games at G.
Would you like to argue that Corcoran is better than Cobb?
Have you seen Ayers' snaps at DE? I love the guy, and think/thought he could have use as a situational pass rusher from a Jack position, but he's been brutal.
Why don't you pick one of the often lauded bad players, Kola, Thomas, etc or one of the above-mentioned guys. Come up with some "evidence" other than an appeal to authority fallacy, and I'll do a breakdown and show you the guys who are below replacement level or that we have better on the roster.
Here's the thing, that until they prove themselves better on the field in our current defence. (comparing stats from a completely different team/D Scheme is a red herring) then you are only offering opinion. I have no issue with vets being replaced by younger, better talent if it is available. As you have shown, in your examples (Glass, Cartwright etc) Osh is very willing to make that happen. However, guys around here think they make the best assessment of talent on our roster, and that is fallacy.,
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22 minutes ago, 17to85 said:
But it isn't the bottom 4 positions on the depth chart... it's the middle of the ******* defense... defensive tackle (and defensive line in general) and middle linebacker are pretty ******* important areas.
And don't give me that we haven't lost a game because of roster management. We lost 3 grey cups in a row in large part to roster management. Collaros playing hurt in 2022, 3 receivers who couldn't run in 2023... there's issues with how this roster is constructed and to deny that is just dumb.
Our DL play is by scheme. That is Younger's D, the same one he played in when he was with the Argos....get used to it. Collaros playing hurt in 2022 was still the best roster decision at the time, whether you like it or not. We lost 3 Grey Cups in a row because big time players underachieved. It is nonsense to say that roster management lost us those games. A small part of it perhaps, but at the end of the day we could have won any of those games with the roster we fielded if we had not shat the bed. Simple as that. To say otherwise is dumb. If you can honestly say that our team played to the best of it's ability but we lost because of how the roster was constructed then you may have a point, but that didn't happen. Our big time players were not big time players in those games.
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9 minutes ago, Tracker said:
Have you been watching O'Shea's roster management?
Have you been watching O'Shea's win/loss record? You guys are so fixated on the bottom 4 positions of our depth chart it has become almost comical. We have not lost a game due to roster management since this notion reared it's head a couple years ago. Roster management is such a minor part of what win/loses games at the pro level unless star players are out with injury. Every game comes down to about a dozen key plays that tell the tale of the game. Big time players make big time plays and they are not found at the bottom of the depth chart.
I'm not excusing Osh's roster management, it could be better, but this nonsense that Jake Thomas taking 8 snaps a game more than he should is costing us games is ridiculous.
If you want to talk about roster decisions of consequence we can look to stuff like the decision to keep Collaros over Brown, or to let Lawler walk. These are impactful decisions to our ability to win and worthy of some debate. However, then we are no longer talking about O'Shea are we. I think you guys got the crosshairs on the wrong guy. Even dud FA signings this year that can't beat out some mediocre talent ahead of them lies with the front office, not the coach.
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22 minutes ago, Tracker said:
No point in bringing in talent if they are not allowed to challenge and replace the existing players unless there is a catastrophic injury. That has to be frustrating for the scouting staff.
Who says we are bringing in talent that is better? Guys have to earn their way into the lineup. I'm not saying that is the case 100% of the time, but it certainly is the overwhelming majority of the time. Seen a lot of grousing that J.Jones , as one example, should be in the lineup vs T. Jones....what I haven't seen is a single shred of evidence to back up the claim that he would be better. Sometimes, guys are on the sidelines despite a guy ahead of them having weaknesses+ because they aren't as good.
Name one guy that the scouts brought in that is better than the incumbent. Please provide proof of that.
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29 minutes ago, 3rdand1.5 said:
My 2 cents
Yes, it does feel as if on this board we go down the roster usage hole over and over, and it seems to creep into every thread. Perhaps it is overdone/discussed, and I could see some getting put off or annoyed with it, and yes we have posters with two very opposite opinions of it (one-5 GC's we know what we are doing-two-we are not putting our best athletes on the field and optimizing our roster) To a degree both these opinions have legs to stand on and valid points, I think this is why it comes up over and over. It is also amplified as some of our top posters have strong opinions on this matter.
In conclusion yes, this goes round and round, but let's all step back and look at the 10,000ft view and be thankful that we have not just one but two active Bomber forums and that we have enough people and passion to continue to have these discussions.
Absolutely, I am not sure the merry go round on roster discussion is even worth the time anymore because pretty much everyone who has an opinion on it is about as well informed on each side of the equation as humanly possible over the past 2 years and 10000 posts related to it. However, I doubt the discussion dies anytime soon because Jake Thomas is still a Bomber.
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47 minutes ago, Jpan85 said:
There was one on Pembina. I think its a Credit Union now
Yep. Remember that one as well.
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1 minute ago, iHeart said:
I thought there was one on Henderson
Maybe, but I know for sure there was one on Leila. Later became an Olive Garden then was torn down afterwards.
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On 2025-06-06 at 7:38 PM, iHeart said:
yeah because it would be so nice to have to NOT drive all the way to the states for Culvers and at least we have more than one Olive Garden....I'm old enough to remember when we had more than one Red Lobster and I think the other was on Henderson
Used to be a Red Lobster on Leila.
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On 2025-07-04 at 3:24 PM, rebusrankin said:
On the idea on an airlift, they don't really happen anymore. Guys can make more sitting on NFL PRs which are expanded or are more willing to wait on injuries and getting another look if cut by the NFL.
Name the last player who came in as an airlift (around Labour Day) from the NFL and made a difference to ANY CFL team.
It isn't about necessarily finding the needle in the haystack, it's more about not giving up on looking for it.
On 2025-07-04 at 3:55 PM, Booch said:I'm sure he and Younger are not saying we want more jake....Gimme some Jake and Korn
I wonder if they are "supplied" with the guys Osh wants and have to make it work....appears to be
Doubtful
On 2025-07-04 at 5:07 PM, Mike said:O’Shea sucked, Zach sucked, Jake sucked, Willie sucked, Vaughters sucked, Parker sucked, Bridges sucked, Bonds sucked
go us
You left about 30 names of suck off the list so I will assume this was your highlight reel of suck.
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1 minute ago, Tracker said:
Yup. And I have little to no confidence that this is coming under O'Shea's management. One more humiliation like last night and the fans will start staying away in droves.
I think that is an overstatement, but if we get a few more it will impact attendance for sure.
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Just now, Tracker said:
This has been said ad nauseum and demonstrated on the field that sitting Ayers or any one or two players will change little. We are way past rearranging the chairs on the Titanic. I am going to stop posting the same angry crap as it it both repetitive and infuriating.
Football is a game won and lost in the trenches. Neither our OL or DL is consistently winning those battles.
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3 minutes ago, Booch said:
thing is....for last I dont know how many yrs...we show no inclination to change.....Osh says we know the issue and will fix it...backups get zero reps, let alone a chance to grab a spot (even tho they apparently are all starter quality...hence why they here) and we either limp into playoffs with banged up guys....or have nobody after the main 12...13 starters and get beaten down and nobody gets pulled...cause well nobody has earned trust due to lack of play time...and round and round we go....this is loking like round 4....It's still early I agree....but i have zero faith whatsoever that any significant move or coaching shift will occur....none?
scheme?...or roster???...workd quite well for most part last yr....me thinks players....especially with many holdovers who wouldnt make a starting unit anywhere else...a couple wouldnt make game day roster
I doubt it is scheme as well. All i know is that we have seen way too many mental errors to be blaming scheme. No DC schemes broken coverages. That's 100% on the personnel and their preparation.
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Just now, Fatty Liver said:
Those bust were caused by communication breakdowns.
That's not all on the Safety but yes Alexander was helpful in that regard for sure.
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2 minutes ago, Tracker said:
Which shouldn't be a surprise to anyone, let alone the coaching staff. This has been coming on for two years and the team's unwillingness or inability to replace him is symptomatic of the probems with the team.
Jake needs to go. There are others as well.
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3 minutes ago, Fatty Liver said:
They've had some good mid-season corrections that have paid off, BA to Safety, Travis Bond to OG, Nichols in for Willy.
Absolutely. Wilson coming back from the NFL would help immensely, and some other tweaks here and there. It's not a lost cause by any stretch of the imagination. Vaughters is not playing very well, and of course our interior DL is weak. We need help there. Not sure we have the personnel right now. Time for an airlift.
1 minute ago, Fatty Liver said:BA is still hanging around, at least he kept them in line and on focus.
Not gonna pin any of it on the Safety.
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11 minutes ago, Fatty Liver said:
Maybe, I'd prefer to find out mid-season where they're lacking while there's still time to adjust, rather than late season and be shocked how poorly they play against competitive teams. It's easy to beat up on the weak teams, but if they can't beat the top teams during the regular season it's unlikely they'll beat them in the playoffs.
When was the last time Zach mounted a comeback from 2 TD's down?
I've seen more busts in our coverages this year than in the last 5 years combined. Our D is simply not playing like they should. We predicate on a ball hawking shut down secondary. We don't have that right now.
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5 minutes ago, Fatty Liver said:
Maybe, I'd prefer to find out mid-season where they're lacking while there's still time to adjust, rather than late season and be shocked how poorly they play against competitive teams. It's easy to beat up on the weak teams, but if they can't beat the top teams during the regular season it's unlikely they'll beat them in the playoffs.
When was the last time Zach mounted a comeback from 2 TD's down?
yea...the bright side is that the playoffs don't start at the beginning of July. Lot can change from now to then if we don't show improvement.
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1 minute ago, Fatty Liver said:
7 out of 8 games coming up will be challenging, Stamps (2) Argos (2) and Als (1) leading into back to back with the Riders and the LDC, good chance all starting QB's will be back for those games. How they perform in that stretch will define their season and whether they still have the ability to compete with the top teams, or if they've officially been dethroned as King of the Hill.
If we play like we can we will be fine. If we play like country club princesses like last night it will be a long season. If we don't see more out of our team than what we got last night then clean house and start the rebuild.
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Agreed. I'm on the verge of bring evacuated here in Thompson and it's not funny at all.