3 minutes ago, TBURGESS said:

Does transferring his rights transfer his bonus?

What bonus? He wouldn't have any bonus until he signed a new contract. That doesn't happen until he is either released or he reaches FA. Team never put in an after the season roster bonus in the final year of a contract. The only time we see the roster bonuses are on the first years of a multi-year deal and most are timed for about the middle of January. It would be epically stupid if 3-4 days before FA, Ceresna had a bonus due on an expiring contract.

If that were the case no team would have offered him anything until that bonus was paid. But like I said, there is almost zero chance that Ceresna had not cashed in on every dollar of his expiring contract prior to the window.

15 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

I think most GMs would honour any contracts offered. I don't think any team would mess with the system they have to screw it up. Look at last year when they announced the salary cap kncrease right about now. A week after the window opened. No teams wanted to offer more to nab a player from another team or put in a different offer to keep or sign a free agent. Example: Kenny Lawler. The Bombers could have offered more but said no after he & the Ti Cats agreed to terms.

The neg window is set up that if a team and a player come to an agreement they register that agreement with the league, the team is obligated to follow through at that point if the player does not re-sign with his current team who has a 48 hour exclusive window to try re-sign the player if they so choose. The GMs MUST honor any deal negotiated in the window and filed with the league. As I understand it, and I may not be interpeting it correctly, The player is not obligated to sign any deal and can go to FA if they so desire. They must however inform the league that they no longer intend to sign the deal negotiated and they cannot talk to any other teams until the opening of FA.

Just now, SpeedFlex27 said:

Don't remember but that's okay.

I honestly forgot about Arthur being called that too until it was brought up

44 minutes ago, WinnipegGordo said:

They could have just released him, which is what most teams would have done.

By transferring Ceresna's contract to the Bombers, it eliminated any opportunity for a screw up. Like another team trying to scoop in to try to sign in.

Hervey did Walters a favour, maybe he's getting a steak dinner out of the deal.

Transfer or not if Ceresna wanted to back out he could have. He would just need to not sign with the Bombers and wait for FA.

Only the team is obligated to terms in the neg window. Player can back out by saying they are no longer interested an hour before the start of FA

1 hour ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

I saw The Factor is back & had no idea what it meant. Was that Arthur's nickname?

It was around OB

9 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

But why make a public announcement? That would be protocol anyway. They know he's leaving. My point is, if you do it for one player then you have to do it for everyone. Even the backup long snapper who left in free agency. That's a heckuva lot of announcements league wide per team. I've no issue with it. Just that it was never done before.

Just a PR move.

4 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

It was a strange announcement. Nobody has ever done that before. Are they going to do that with every free agent they lose? What about the Argos & Ti Cats & the players they lost? That would be a lot of announcements per team. Our team last year? Some new CFL media protocol? It was just weird.

It's as simple as doing right by a player so that he can sign and get his signing bonus sooner.

1 hour ago, bigg jay said:

The motivation was simply that Edmonton wasn't going to match the offer we made so instead of waiting for the clubs 48 hour exclusive negotiating period to end, they just ripped the bandaid off and moved on.

💯. It was a classy move by Hervey so that Ceresna can finalize his contract without waiting.

Also there is roster limits in the offseason of 85 players. Its possible that Hervey has a bunch of recruits to sign and needed to open a roster spot. It really isn't a mystery why he would release Ceresna if you look at possible factors for doing so.

16 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

Nice to see we've added a NT. As others have mentioned, been a need for awhile.

We've been lacking a true NT for a while. Not sure if this is our guy but it's a start.

3 hours ago, Goalie said:

Yes and the American did not. Can’t remember his name. We all thought he was the stud in pre season but didn’t do much with his opportunity honestly

thats a big kid there

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Cooley was the guy and he fumbled his way off the roster

22 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

Once deals are official on Sunday, I am curious to see who we pursue on the secondary market.

Some good players still out there. Shane Ray would look a hundred times better in Blue and Gold.

31 minutes ago, Booch said:

I can see him making it...

You dont stick around the NFL at 5 foot 5 as a running back unless you got talent. Hopefully he comes motivated.

He can run under the legs of the guys in the trenches. Hit the F gap JJ..lmao

4 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

a certain coaches wife…

shoot if we fed mos a couple beers the show would actually be worth listening to, guarantee it’d get entertaining. 

 

MOS can put them back. Might need to take up a collection. He's no Chris Walby but still...

Walby's bar tabs were so high it just became cheaper to open his own bar..lol

3 hours ago, Stickem said:

Taylor looks like a 'speedster' type while Cooley was more of 'bulling' type runner....Like the looks of JJ and probably has the talent to stick....We couldn't seem to find a way to keep Cooley although he did 'do himself in' when the fumbles started, and I don't believe anyone else in the league seen enough to bring him in, in any event

JJ can cut on a dime too. Really nice lateral movement. He's my sleeper pick to make the team. Sorry for cursing you JJ..lol

49 minutes ago, johnzo said:

this is awesome.

I wish that coach call-in shows worked like this.  If some fan wants to talk out their ass on the coach's show, first they need to buy the coach a beer. 

It would be a better product from every perspective.

Ill tell you that there is nothing a pro football player likes more than free beer from a fan.

1 hour ago, Booch said:

 

yes you would be shocked who may "peruse" let alone post under some funky alias

I also certain some of the CFL media types do get some their talking points here

Absolutely, the level of football fan knowledge here is high. If I were a journalist covering the Bombers this would be must read stuff.

1 hour ago, HardCoreBlue said:

I’m 93% sure @Noeller is Jake Thomas.

That's why Noeller signs his PMs "Fatboi"...Who knew?

But seriously we all know Jake Thomas is Booch. 

2 hours ago, Stickem said:

I think you're looking for the word 'conjecture'....the board is full of it....I don't mean 'full of it'' in the derogatory sense....although some takes come close to it....How some fans can claim they are 'privy' to inside operations is amazing...In the end it ends up being 'controversial' and that's what this board and others feed off...It's all good and I'm sure there's enough intelligent people on here that can sift through the commentary and pass judgement on what is believable and just isn't.....

👍 agreed

1 hour ago, wbbfan said:

I DO have some very valuable inside, privy-type info. 

When going to the privy, doing so inside is waaaay better than outside. 

You may find that controversial, but it is entirely true. 

 

 In general, I don't like that insider info type of thing. 99% of the time, it's BS. 1-2 people on here do get some, but the nature of football is that you might get it, and it might be true. Then, 2 weeks later, it changes. If it's a week-old bit of info, it could go south very fast. Because I'm not involved in the follow ups, I generally disregard inside info. 

People would be surprised by some of the types who lurk on here, or the relationships a few posters have with players, coaches, etc. I can speak to that from personal experience, and for an absolute fact. What people tell them with those relationships, I can't speak to. 

Me too. I can also tell you for certainty that a lot of the inside info fed to fans is just for shits and giggles. Like Vega  used to tell me,  tell them what they wanna hear...that is how you get free beer. (He and a number of other Bombers were regulars at a bar i used to own). Fans would engage with them and ask them questions that weren't really questions but beliefs they wanted affirmed. The guys would go with it, order a round on the poor guy, then proceed to tell him some tall tale then laugh their asses off about it later.

Vega told me straight up the only ppl who will ever know what really goes on inside our room is us.

 

52 minutes ago, Noeller said:

It's the degree of certainty with which people in this board speak, in regards to things that may or may not have happened... That amazes me day in and day out. 

There is a lot of speculation and opinion around here trying to present itself and fact and insider knowledge. Some of it is closer to the truth than others, but at the end not a single one of us knows much about what goes on behind closed doors at PAS. Every team, management group etc has different dynamics/power structures that none of us are privy too. It's why we have the endless back and forth of who is in charge MOS or KW. None of us with the exception of the scouts, Wadzilla and the coaching staff know the answer to that. Every team is different. Every management group is different, so those that may have past experience with a different group may assume the same model is in place with this one....and it could be vastly different. That's coming from someone with years of corporate and then private business ownership experience to glean from. 

8 minutes ago, bryan35 said:

I recall Cooley the imp rb was on the roster but eventually fumbled his way off the team.

Yes, he failed to seize the opportunity. Probably why we brought in JJ.

28 minutes ago, Tracker said:

Given how O'Shea hung onto players that were close to useless to the detriment of the team, the message had to be that players could play very poorly and still keep their jobs so long as they kissed up. Word gets around. 

 

Well that is certainly one take on it. I don't believe it is at all factual, so I will agree to disagree.

Riders sign Josh Woods LBer formerly of BC Lions. Big downgrade there.

17 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

Nice add for Hamilton but they've lost 3 olineman, two quality wr and their starting rb. Behind the 8 ball right now.

Ted Goveia backed up the Brinks truck last year (mostly for our guys lol) and this is what happens the next year after a lot of times. Wynton is a vast improvement for them though. Gonna be tough sledding for BLM's muscle cream bill this year tho.

16 hours ago, Booch said:

 

And we could prob do so with ratio if we "had" to

Pretty sure any coach with half a brain if he could do it ratio wise would use a high skill NFL rb...in his prime yrs over a young Canadian kid who still has growing to do

We already saw it last year. When BO went down we went with Peterson initially but the change was made to IMP RB shortly after.

45 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

He's one of those guys every team in the league should consider. 

 It's like when we basically got Biggie by default after his NFL stint. Everyone else didn't have money or a spot, so we offered a princely deal on a real up-and-comer team, but the competition for him was beyond light. That was a brutal mistake by the rest of the league, as he came back and was one of the very best defensive players for a couple of years. His versatility was a keystone to our D, just like BA going to S later on. Ever team should kick the tires on him. 

McManis is a guy I would make room for. That being said, it's an SMS world so the numbers have to work. That being said, I would be very surprised if we don't hear of a McManis signing today. I find it hard to believe that the Argos would let him ride into FA early unless he had a number from another team that they just can't match.

Would like to see us kick the tires on McEwen, and Shane Ray see if we could make either of them fit.

6 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

You constantly backtrack & then dig your heels in the ground wanting to defend a piece of turf no one cares about. The thing is, you actually know what you're talking about but are so averse to losing an argument you'll fight to the end hoping to wear the other person out. I know all about that as I did the exact same thing a long time ago. 

As far as many members here not liking me? No, it's only 2 or 3 posters who shall go nameless. They know who they are so what's the point of naming them? They carry grudges from 2 decades ago on the other old Our Bomber page. I admit that I was an asshat back then. Even though I have changed quite a bit since then (including a name change). No matter what I say they'll never like it. So, I just don't care anymore. They'll always pile on me even if I had won the Nobel Peace Prize.

I rarely start an argument here but I still have an opinion. I've mellowed over the years. You'd have been roadkill 15 years ago.

Lmao...I was here 15 years ago. Wasn't road kill then, won't be now. I did no backtracking on this issue whatsoever, you tried to put intent that was not there into my post as a way to defend a piece of turf no one cares about. I criticized an aspect of his coaching, you took that to mean I hated him and was calling him a bad coach. Hate? Maybe, as is the case with anyone on the Rider sidelines, but at no point did I ever state he was a poor coach just that he has a big flaw. Same way I can state that MOS has a big flaw but believe he is a good coach. So, I'm not really the one digging my heels in here, you are.

16 hours ago, JGD said:

LOL.   Funny thing is you likely actually believe that.

Funny thing is history has shown me to be correct in that regard.

8 hours ago, Wanna-B-Fanboy said:

So... you guys are fighting over the riders. 

 

Ew.

Worse yet, we are fighting over the defence of Corey Mace's honor. Double ew.

3 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

No, most of you know I call a spade a spade here. I say what's on my mind & don't bacjk down. He's a very good coach. End of story. Too bad if some of you  are butt hurt about it. I'm not changing my mind even if he is the Riders HC. 

Because it's you being you. 

You being you isn't exactly a treat for many forum members here. Not sure when it is that you decided your opinion allowed you to act like a jerk off to those that disagree with it under the guise of calling a spade a spade? Maybe you ran out of blue pills? Idk...but at least dont put words in others mouths to justify your failure to post civilly.

At no point did anyone here call him a bad coach, but you decided to read that into some criticisms of his performance and be the self imposed defender of his honor. I know you are old but not everyone thinks in black and white like you do.

1 minute ago, Stickem said:

He would be a good fill in for Vaval.....don't know about a fill for Brady, as we'd probably go with Peterson....Coaches still high on the guy

We would go Peterson if all things are equal. I am hoping JJ jumps off the page and makes us look at ratio elsewhere if BO went down.