24 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

Imo, 20% chance we announce the OC before january. 

I agree. Highly doubtful, January is prime time for most coaching hires outside of HC.

2 hours ago, rebusrankin said:

If we don't have an OC by Christmas, I will be concerned.

I will be semi concerned if we don't have anyone in place by Jan. 9.

13 hours ago, Booch said:

Yup...agree...id add interior dline to that too...

I agree also that BO is beneficiary of system to a good extent...especially with lotsa touches...he isnt a guy who is a home run hitter from anywhere on field and could score from anywhere..anytime...but is one of best in a while to slug it out tenderize defences all game...love the guy but if he is looking for more than what he got last deal...I just think it may hinder us

 

A 250k+ contract to a running back, ANY running back, is going to hinder any team unless they put up MOP calibre numbers and clutch performance. We got hosed on his contract last year.

12 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

That won't happen if Younger stays at DC. This is his defense with the personnel he wanted doing what he wants them to do. It's strange the way he used WJ. Our DL could be so much better. It's his decision not to do it the way it normally would be done.

I don't pretend to try to explain how Younger uses his personnel & why. All I know is we don't presure qbs anymore. Out interior DL is a joke which affects our Ends. We don't get the pressure we used to when Richie Hall was DC. With Hall, it all started with a vicious Front 4. With Younger, he seems to build from the back end out. The best athletes play in the secondary & it flows up to LBers & finally to the DL which is a no pressure Front 4. I don't like it & I'm not convinced Younger is really all that good as a Coordinator. 

Yup, let's just repeat the same mistakes again.... If we don't have an OC in place in 5 or 6 weeks then we can declare that the talk of change & introspection was just that... talk... while nothing has changed. 

What mistakes are being repeated? We are fans, getting angry on a forum isn't going to do anything. If we don't have an OC in place by your timeline then for sure we can be worried. I agree. However, we cannot know what will happen until it happens.

3 hours ago, Pete said:

Riders gonna not be happy, price for Emilus just went up

Emilus will be 250k+

3 hours ago, sweep the leg said:

Haven’t you been advocating to let Oliveira walk over money?

BO is the beneficiary of an offensive system that is far too run heavy. There I said it.

3 hours ago, Booch said:

within reason I guess I should have said...we let guys walk where we could have absorbed what they left for

If you look back I wasn't really a fan of BO's first deal either...That position is one where you shouldnt be sinking 230+ k into 

250k+ for BO. Price over replacement is the formula I like to use and BOs salary makes no sense at that equation whereas Philpott's is closer to an accurate amount but still a slight overpay. 

48 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

Have to clarify, WJ didn't play a Lber hybrid or jack role. He hasn't had a straight drop back to even shallow LBer depth in many years here. (Remember when he used to do that and really disrupt passing lanes?) 

 He's basically been spying the QB on inside pass lanes. Idk if that has ever in football been a thing out side of the last few years with WJ. He doesn't spy qb for contain, and he doesn't play both passing lanes. Like a man-to-man shot blocker in basketball. Not the weak side guy rotating over to get a block, he gets tall keeps his feet and tries to get in the way of the ball going right at him. 

If he could do a lot more with any kind of regularity, we would see him jumping pass lanes from the back side of pursuit on roll outs, getting to the outside shoulder of his ol and batting down backfield pass attempts from the pocket, and frankly getting off the initial block significantly more. Even when he turns it on in the games he excels in now, he is beating his blocker with moves and cuts. He isn't blowing by guys around the edge or any thing. 

You are correct on his usage, I just likened it to a LBer type role because it is probably closer to that than DE and it doesn't really have a term associated with it because it is unusual. Definitely not true LBer for sure, but definitely not DE either. Just weird usage. Not sure why. Could be declining skills but he rarely gets to straight rush anymore at all. Perhaps, they should get back to giving him those opps.

15 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Funny how the same thing happned last year. It was February 4th  before Osh named Hogan as OC. 

Great...let's wait until then to declare he is doing the same thing.

12 hours ago, Mark H. said:

I agree. And they'll also look at who he was playing with this year.

More importantly what we were asking him to do. We are all blaming WJ for playing the defensive role his DC asked of him. We were using WJ as a DE/LBer hybrid in pretty much every 4 man front we ran and then asking him to take on every double team in a 3 man front. There was little chance he was going to do the things a DE gets recognition for. It's fine to drop him out on occasion to keep the offence off balance but we were doing it almost every play and then he just becomes an oversized and slow (by LBer standards) glorified LBer.

19 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Funny how we had a bunch of pressure the game we dressed the all rookie defensive line eh?

Funny how we ran a primarily 4 man front that game too. Coincidence I think not.

1 minute ago, wbbfan said:

Mitchell is a good one. It wouldn't be hard to come up with a list of guys who you aren't going to bring back, guys like kody should be on that list, announce the release of guys who are expiring and wont be given an offer. Then re tool the staff a bit. Say Hogan isn't back, maybe promote JY to ast hc, figure out if you/hall want to go another year. If he does, maybe promote him to be a QC to the oc as well. For me, I'd drop a bunch of vet names on that list, but you don't even need to go real deep with that. 

Even have someone talk to a CFL reporter like Hodge and say we intend to be aggressive in free agency. 

I am not impressed at all with Younger after this year either, Didn't like his zero pressure approach at all. The first year QBs couldn't adjust to everyone dropping out into coverage but now they just carve us up. These 3 man fronts just don't work if they are done excessively. Better to disguise it like Richie used to do.

17 minutes ago, Booch said:

time to tamper and in the back channels and let a number or 2 accidently slip out....lol

I would hope tampering has been started already. I know teams are tampering with guys we want to stay and guys we are targeting already, Pretty small community of agents so not tough to do.

It is completely pointless to even look at pending FA's right now. The vast majority will be re-signed long before FA. Many before Jan.2 so that their signing bonuses go against this year's left over cap space.

57 minutes ago, Booch said:

is early....but still...teams who wanna make an impact will make moves and not ***** foot around....Ottawa being a good example...they were in lala land and realized they need to change...and got er done as fast as you could...Thats how you get the best of the best

No rule or law saying you need to wait X amount of time....and not unprofessional either to cut guys loose as early as u can.....and creep other teams coaching talent...snooze...u lose...we been snoozing on many fronts and losing as well....we didnt do that 2018-2021....Got fat and sassy...almost arrogant and just figured people would glom over to us....give us discounts....didnt need to be urgent in negotiations...and look where it got us

Part of this new "change" and having to be "better" also is really relevant to how we operate....That needs to change more than anything...loyalty only gets you so far...for so long and clinging to it....always leads to your demise....its pro sports...cut throat and unforgiving business....it's what you signed up for and if you have a fragile ego or get butt hurt for being called out...or sent packing....u in the wrong business

Hey, I'd love for all of this to be settled right now too. However, it is crazy to suggest change isn't coming because it hasn't been announced Dec. 1. I completely get what you are saying, and if media reports are any indication, we are working diligently to make change in our coaching staff. For now that is a good sign. On December 1st, we should be optimistic about these reports. If nothing has happened a month from now then yea...let's assume the worst.

On 2025-11-26 at 4:39 PM, wbbfan said:

Here comes my nice comment about the mafia for the year. 

 I’d rather see us be bad, with jake/kola and the rest of mos old boys club and roster management, than see the likes of kelly or chris jones running a team with a bunch of guys who are dirty on the field and bad off it. 

Yes, forgotten is how we are 1000x more classy as an organization both on the field and off since the mafia came to town.

On 2025-11-28 at 3:47 PM, SpeedFlex27 said:

Well, he is. Thomas on the roster starting is THE BIGGEST fail of this this organization. You may not like the criticism of O'Shea but if Osh wants to get everyone's attention to prove he's changed then releasing Thomas needs to be done. Thomas is the face of this team's country club memberships. Ain't happening. 

 

 

Thomas should not be given another contract unless it is a coaching position. That's not making him a whipping boy that is reality. However, as Noeller has noted it is really shitty that we on here have singled him out like we have. He has never done anything but bleed blue and gold, and yeah, he's going to play if the coach taps him on the shoulder. He is not what is wrong with the Bombers. What is wrong with the Bombers is that we never found better and didn't really try to do so.

8 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Professionalim??? JFC, now I've heard everything. With the track record of the Canadian Mafia since 2023, silence means nothing is getting done. Those 2 live in their own little bubble where time runs on a different reality. The new season starts 1- 2 weeks earlier in May. They have to tighten things up significantly to get things done. Otherwise, nothing has changed. . 

How'd taking his time work out for us? You happy with the decision he finally made? 

It's December 1st, the offseason is like a week old, step away from the ledge. If this drags out another month beyotch then, right now it's just way too early. You have created a timeline in your head that is wholly unrealistic.

19 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

On X, Bob Irving practically begged Herb Zurkowsky to get to the Grey Cup. He said he needed to "find a way", I believe. Also, Ed Tait posted that Herb could stay with him for free. Just get to the Grey Cup. Zurkowski declined. The Montreal Gazette refused to send him to the Grey Cup even though he's the beat writer for the Alouettes. 

That seems crazy to me. The Gazette should just give up the ghost and quit pretending they care about anything but the Habs.

1 hour ago, Tracker said:

Jackson should not be blamed for the flaccid offence this year. Collaros did not have the time he needed and looked tobe  a lot worse than last year, our receivers were a shambles and our OC would not do well in a high school league. And our head coach shrugged all concern off and did nothing, or rather he did the same old same old which did not work in the past two years.

One can say Collaros looked off, but it is hard to say by how much. Did he look panicked and irresponsible with a lot of throws, definitely, was that him declining in skill or trying to do too much? Probably a little of both. If we can at least surround him with adequate talent and play calling he can be a whole lot better than he was this year imo. We do need to have our eyes on the prize after this season me thinks. Our offence couldn't possibly field less talent and poorer coordination than last year tho so the only way is up.

2 hours ago, 3rdand1.5 said:

A few thoughts....

 

Something seems "off" with Jackson to me, The Edm situation, then missing all of TC and even with him here our QB and offence was the worst it has been in a long time, not real discussions about him.....I don't know just something seems off to me

Philpot would not be a player I would target...while he has flashes he is in the tub just too much and it will take Demski money or greater to get him....

Mitchel...oh boy, hopefully he get's his life figured out, his future is more than just football...He really did not work out for us....

That FA list is so premature...but it does have some great O-line and D-line on it I would love to see us be in on a top prospect if one does make it to actual FA...Hutchins would be a dream...and I would pay almost whatever for the guy, but I don't see him in the CFL for a few years at best...but one can dream,,,

A couple tough decisions IMO on a couple of our own CDN's in BO and Kramdhi, while they are both "ratio" busters, they are also really expensive....

Better CDN receiver talent is a spot we need, Demski is great, but older and somewhat injury prone, Clercius seems to have taken a step back in his development, Corcoran is a fine depth piece.....I hope one of the higher end Cdn's make it to FA, just not Philopt as described above why..... 

I agree. Jackson's body language all season was concerning. I am not sure he wanted to be here, or was unhappy with his role. 

I think we could and would need to blow the proverbial wad in FA if that is the route we are looking at to fix our team. Might be the year for us to quit sitting on the sidelines for premier players for sure. However, recruitment has to be a whole lot better than it has been the past 2-3 years for us to truly get back to where we were. It is not just our high end talent on the decline, the strength of our depth has also taken huge steps back in the past few years. I hope Danny and the boys have their new binos packed with their peanut butter sandwiches for energy. They have a huge task at hand this year.

4 hours ago, Bigblue204 said:

Ryan is insane

Fixed it for you

4 hours ago, Gail said:

Maybe they told Hogan that they will be looking for a new OC and that if he wanted to stay with the Bombers he could have his old job back. His decision.

Pretty risky to keep the guy on. Think you just have to thank him for his effort and move on.

4 hours ago, rebusrankin said:

Creates too much tension. Better to make a clean break.

Better for both parties really. I can`t imagine a guy being told he wasn`t good enough for the job resuming a lesser job under his replacement. I think that would eat at a person.

16 hours ago, Tracker said:

It is obvious that Hogan is a goner, but this process seems very....clumsy and unprofessional.

That depends whether he is under contract for next year or not. If he is it is odd they haven't fired him before looking to interview other people. If he is not then there is nothing unprofessional about it at all. They need not make any statement on any coach on an expiring contract. Should they do it anyway though? I would if I were leading the organization...but that's just my opinion.

2 minutes ago, blue85gold said:

Didn't Chris Jones quit during his contract for a better job?

Yes and no. His contract was expired but he had committed to return then changed his mind and left South. It also happened to Chris Jones going to Edmonton as well though.  Pretty much every coach hired since the management cap went into place has had some of the past coaches forced on them.

5 minutes ago, blue85gold said:

That doesn't make sense to me. OSH only had one year left. Why would any coordinator contract exceed the head coach in length.

Happens all the time with just about every team. That is why, for instance, Craig Dickenson had to inherit all of Chris Jones staff. Basically most HC contracts are 2-3 years, almost all coordinators are 2 years, and positional coaches go year to year. Almost every new coach nowadays is inheriting some of the last teams coaches because the management cap doesn`t allow everyone to be fired. 

Now, because Hogan was a rookie OC it is possible that he signed for one however no coordinators will normally even talk to you unless you are offering a 2 year deal. it`s the standard deal length for coordinators. Maybe Walters and Osh gave him a prove it contract, but it would be unusual.

13 minutes ago, bigg jay said:

Source?  I have not seen it anywhere that he was given a 2 year deal.

It was mentioned on the forum here during the season. I never questioned the validity of the posters statement as most coordinator, nearly all, run 2 years. At any rate, lets say that he was given an unusual one year deal, you still don`t talk to anyone if the plan is to bring him back. It would be monumentally stupid to do so.

6 minutes ago, Booch said:

They talked to guys last year too...some of the same ones...so really...means diddly until they actually make a choice...and or say the previous is not in the plans...that's not being unclassy by any stretch..and based on some of our self admitting communication screw ups previous..that's more lacking class than being outright and definitive saying...so and so is not coming back

And several media reports mean nothing easier...more times than not they way off base too...yes we are talking...not arguing...but until change is confirmed...I can be concerned based on history here...only a moron wouldn't be with what we have witnessed...

You don`t talk to other guys unless the job is open. Hogan still has a year left on his contract. It would be incredibly unprofessional to talk to other guys while your guy has a year left on his contract unless you were dumping him. I mean think about it, if your plan is to bring the guy back you show confidence in him, you don`t publically make it look like you might replace him. That sets him up to be a dead duck coach. I have ran businesses for many years and letting an employee catch wind that he might be replaced is a recipe for disaster. You NEVER do that.

Normally I would agree if there was one media report, but there have now been several reporting the Bombers are looking for a new OC.  

16 minutes ago, Arnold_Palmer said:

Nice signing! Great pedigree. Good college numbers, started a game in the NFL and got a ring with the Rams, and the UFL MVP! Now let’s sign Taylor Egersma and I feel good about our quarterback room. 

Perkins has a some mechanics issues with his throws that contribute to a pretty slow delivery but he is very mobile and big. I like it.

3 minutes ago, Booch said:

Bigger bodied athletic QB...interesting...can't argue with this signing

Hopefully gets a lot of TC reps to get a good gauge on him

I like him. Hopefully he picks up the Canadian game well. The knock on him is that he doesn't read defences very well, We'll see I guess.