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8 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:
Yup. Everything starts in the trenches and works out from there. This is not an overblown issue.
If he is used as he was last year very problematic, however, context is everything. Last year we lost Lawson in TC leaving too many reps for Jake.
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35 minutes ago, wbbfan said:
2 years ago he got pressured and hit a ton too. But like bob wiley said when he held court with our media years ago, sacks pressure and hits arent all on the OL. Zachs in-ability to get the ball out clean/quick creates those. Zachs unwillingness to take what a D gives him and force deep shots creates them. And yeah, the OL being the worst he's played behind in years creates those problems too. As does Bucks game plan and lack of adjustments. Basically every thing that can cause pocket collapse, did last year. Except for brady blocking, who as always worked his ass off and did a tremendous job.
And as some one said, zach doesn't deal well when he's pressured. The last 2 years we've seen more frustration, and anger at his own team then maybe ever.
I think we could be any where from the bottom of the top tier, to the dumpster. I think our floor is higher and our ceiling is lower than last year. But that we will likely be better in the wr core this year, than last year. Sure could use another big rookie wr find.
Nope not all pressures and sacks are on the OL. However, last year we saw an inordinant amount of average to below average OL play.
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11 minutes ago, wbbfan said:
It is no longer a luxury to have a good back up who can come in and win games. It is a necessity.
His arm was definitely diminished last year, especially early on. It seemed like he fought the ball coming out of his hand all year though. We saw a crazy amount of short to intermediate-depth tosses going low and behind, at the shoes, or just sailing way high into the hospital region for wrs. He's never been a guy who was great at check downs, or leading his receiver into more yac yards. But he probably bounced more screen passes into the ground last year than in his whole career.
I firmly believe some thing is/was buggered up bad in his hand/wrist. He's had soo many hand injuries from following through and hitting guys helmets etc in the last 2 seasons. Sailing balls is a sign of trying to rush the ball out on a screen, but tossing em in the dirt is a classic sign of struggling to get the ball out cleanly.
He's always been prone to chucking and forcing it down field. But last year was the worst year since he left sask for him in terms of reading the D and being read by the D. Defences all over had a field day reading his eyes and jumping routes.
Last year he had more pressure on him than all the other years combined.
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2 hours ago, rebusrankin said:
Lawler, White, Smith, Woli and whomever Hamilton runs as the 5th guy is better.
Mack, Philpot, Rambo, Spieker, Snead is also likely better.
Sorry I meant to include a return of Lawler to that group as I just feel it's going to happen.
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1 minute ago, Booch said:
u think he should be on end???....gimme a break
I did say yup he was a good depth piece..6 to 8 reps a game.....other than that....he's done nothing really of any significance other than stay healthy...but that also a direct result of not being a guy who gets in there and just makes plays and has multiple guys defemding him....hardly clouding judgement by any stretch
He's a good guy...he's not a good player since 2022
I agree with you on JT. Last year's injury to Lawson really threw him into way more reps than he should have had.
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5 minutes ago, Booch said:
yup...we need to pay premiun in a spot or two in our host yr...even if its just a one yr deal
Sure Lawler seems to go silent a few games a yr....BUT....is that really on him and only him....I would say no....Demski does the same....plus has worse ball security at times.....you work with the good and the bad...and Lawler works with a lot of good....Good that nobody in the league can do like he does.....and the big thing..ZC needs famiiarity and trust in his guys...or he essentially sucks and is a picken machine....and he wont be getting better this yr....but likely shows regression
For ZC to resemble vintage ZC...he needs elite talent all around him....
Looking at our group0 right now I dont see an elite group....with Schoen still a bit of an unknown...Mitchell..White...Demski..Clercuis and TBD as a backup
But Swap in Lawler with Mitchell...Schoen...Demski...Clercius and White JR as the extra guy as we wait for return of Wilson....that looks a lot better...and bet ZC would say so too
Mitchell, Schoen, Demski, Clercius, Lawler, White and the return of WIlson is as good as it gets in this league. This would give us ample skill starting and ample depth with a 5 IMP option as well when needed.
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5 minutes ago, Booch said:
If he doesnt get picked up by anyone...I bet my left and right nut this time Osh brings him back
I didnt watch the vid as i rarely like to watch Osh vids as they say basically nothing....unless he is slinging BS and he gets too smug....so will go off what other posters say....Was he asked if he has learned anything from past flops, and if he is gonna switch things up?
he may have told them that because Lawler told him a number he would come back for...and we couldnt hit it....If he was payed to his liking...100 percent he would remain
yup
same sentiment..and bring in Adeleke....and we good....let the scouts fill in the rest and then have a REAL training camp
yup....a lil extra money could be the diff in a guy or 2 dong a 180
BOLO as well would be a nice add.....He left originally due to his use...or lack thereof especially not seeing a rep in the Grey Cup....so not sure that distatse of the team still lingers, but it wasnt toward his teamates....and he still free so I'd like to see him and Big Kev tag-team one spot and allow us to spell of Demski
It's all very doable now, hopefully Walters has taken off his handcuffs and will put pen to paper on some talent.
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1 hour ago, 3rdand1.5 said:
I still think 275 is an overpay...just my opinion
Oakman and McEwen/Couture could IMO be a solid fit here. They seem to have not been scooped in the first wave.. .perhaps they are asking too much..but one of those of those lineman and Oakman on reasonable contracts would again IMO be really nice adds for us.
BOLO back as depth would be a great signing I feel.
Lets see, what happens....
In any other year I totally agree that 275 is an over pay. This is our GC hosting year. I am not against over paying/exceeding the cap this year to get our cup on home soil. For that reason I want KW to bring in difference makers. He hasn't done so yet and Lawler would be a great start.
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11 hours ago, Mike said:
I do agree that the receiver position seems very fluid. Almost more about opportunity than anything. Curious to see who the next batch of guys is that enters the league this season, hoping one of them is a Bomber
I hope our scouting has one more Dalton waiting in the wings.
Just now, Mark H. said:Agreed. To be determined to an extent. But some scouts and the GM are still here.
For sure. Just saying that we have seen a couple of our new guys with other teams but not sure who is on their recruitment record.
11 hours ago, Pete said:its interesting in looking at the stats of the two players that have reset the wr market Lewis and lawler
Lewis in 6 seasons has hit 1000 yds only 3 times, average per season 1033
Lawler in 5 seasons has done it ONCE, averages 822 yds per season
In the past two seasons since the market reset. Hardy, Hollins, White and Begelton and surprise Demski have all had more receiving yards.
It just doesn't pay to invest in any one receiver the $ these two have and continue to make.
If all you value out of receivers is yardage then you have a point. Lewis and Lawler get paid for being game breakers. I guess that is what the GMs around the league value more.
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14 hours ago, wbbfan said:
Fox showed plenty well in very limited reps. Adam’s hit the wall hard late.
It really boils down to one ni spot, woods at the other, and adams brings tons more versatility than fox. He’s an upside guy and not as good a player as fox but he can play basically any role in the Dl you want.A DL of; Wj Lawson woods vaughters with adams as a di, then Jake plus one other ni dl isn’t some thing I’d be too mad at.
We could really use a strong rotational global/ni pass rusher ideally one who can rush from 3 tech, 4i and 5 in both fronts. And if that guy replaced Jake we’d be in a pretty good spot.Yea...we are not far off from having a really good DL.
1 minute ago, Mark H. said:Every position other than QB gets labelled as that...if you read message boards long enough. I think it comes down to what the scouting dept. is good at finding. In Winnipeg, that's DBs at the moment.
Our scouting group has vastly changed. Not sure what they are good at right now.
12 hours ago, Pete said:just waiting for the Streveler signing, all that's left is Cole, Augustine Whitehead and Alexander Don't know if I've ever seen an ex gm/coach/scout raid his former club as obviously as Ted has
Always happens and all he has signed so far from us he can have.
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14 hours ago, wbbfan said:
Truth and had a hell of a time putting together back to back strong performances.
But wasn’t it just declared by some one that Haba Garbutt fox would disappear and get no further looks? 🙃
boy this is probably the most guys we’ve lost year to year in a decade.
A ton of our young guys have been scooped at every level of development.It’ll be really interesting to see how Hogan is going to run this offence. We’ve added a TON of dynamic quick/fast guys to the offence. Reggie white, Dillion Mitchell, and Peyton Logan in for Wilson, lawler and lucky.
White schoen Demski Mitchell and big kev with Brady and a sub pack involving Logan gives us a tremendous new set of options. That makes us much better at stretching the field side line to side line and deep then we saw most all of last year.
I'm still hoping for us to circle back to Lawler. Just feels right.
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10 hours ago, Goalie said:
But lawlers agent told Walters he won’t be back. I think going public with that means he’s not going to be back because Winnipeg is prob not willing to pay him 275 or close to it. I don’t see how adding money means they willing to overpay now. He’s a ticat for all intents and purposes.
Lawler's agent told the Bombers he won't be back based on our offer. You don't see how adding half a million to the SMS might change what our offer is? You don't think changing our offer might get Kenny to stay?
1 hour ago, 3rdand1.5 said:I still think 275 is an overpay...just my opinion
Oakman and McEwen/Couture could IMO be a solid fit here. They seem to have not been scooped in the first wave.. .perhaps they are asking too much..but one of those of those lineman and Oakman on reasonable contracts would again IMO be really nice adds for us.
BOLO back as depth would be a great signing I feel.
Lets see, what happens....
I would much rather chase McEwan or Couture than to try get Dobson re-signed. BOLO would be a nice add as well.
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5 hours ago, Noeller said:
And also, if we can bump the number then the other teams are going to bump THEIR number. Regardless of what the overall pot is at, it's all about percentages of that pot. So, if we said we'd bump 10% above what Ham offered Woogie, then I'm sure Ham is willing to also bump 10% beyond that...
The difference is they can't talk to him again unless he declines both teams offers and goes to FA
2 hours ago, JuranBoldenRules said:He's already a free agent. He was released.
The whole negotiating window run around only applies to guys who are coming up to their contract expiry.
Yep..technically Kenny Lawler is under contract with the Bombers right now.
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1 hour ago, Mike said:
Sure, but let’s be realistic. Lawler doesn’t have to talk to us and I’d be surprised if he does. We can “match” all we want, he doesn’t have to do anything
Why would Lawler talking to us surprise you? He would be an idiot not to do so if we called. No he doesn't have to accept our offer, but he probably would if the dollars are the same. Kenny went for the money but if we had offered it to him he would be here. Everything he's ever said about the Bombers backs that up.
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40 minutes ago, Booch said:
but also wouldnt the team that offerd the big pile....offer even more tho?...I dunno....but I think there was knowledge....if not a concrete number that it was gonna have abump over and above the norm....but then again..who knows eh?
sometimes you need to change how you do things to continue success...we are due for some changes
exactly....all they are currently is offer sheets they agreed to....their own teams still get their exclusivity window after that.....if they decide they don't want to match/top...the offering team is obligated to make the deal
no...2 hours....4 mins and 38 secs....lol
Let's say Lawler gets a call from Walter's and he matches Hammy's offer in the 48 hour window. Hamilton CANNOT talk to Lawler again unless he opts to become a FA.
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3 minutes ago, Mike said:
I doubt this changes anything … if it did, I’m sure Dunk/Naylor/Farhan would’ve had some kind of comment from “sources” (front offices, agents) by now
I’m still skeptical teams didn’t know until today. Seems incredibly difficult to believe, how could guys like Schoen or McManis not get super frustrated about that if it were the case?
It is all very strange and hard to believe for sure. Whether GMs knew or didn't know the timing of the announcement is super weird. I just don't get why today?
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Just now, Goalie said:
But 275k for Kenny is still an overpayment.
Yesterday it was. Today? I'm not as sure on that.
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6 minutes ago, bigg jay said:
They have 2 hours to decide but otherwise that's correct.
My bad...2 hours...but we have the last 48 hours as an exclusive negotiating time with any of our pending FAs prior to that. It is my understanding that accepted terms with another team means that they may leave if they can't get their former team to sign them at the terms they want. Undoubtedly some players have no interest in returning to their former clubs, but I think a few will definitely pick up the phone for their former teams and see if there has been movement. I would almost guarantee that if Walters picks up the phone in that window and says "Kenny we found some extra SMS and will match Hammy's offer" that Kenny will say send me over the contract. Conversely, I could definitely see a few guys phoning the league at 10 am on FA day and saying never mind I'm going to try out FA now.
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20 minutes ago, Colin Unger said:
My concern would be that re-engaging with players who already signed an agreement with another team and have informed the Bombers that they are moving on would not fall within "the way we do things".
No one has signed anything, and this pre-FA window is set up so that players and teams can do exactly that. They are not signed by their new team until they advise the CFL one hour prior to FA that they accept the offer that was made.
This week before FA, is about players being able to test their worth on the market and for GMs to have an idea what that worth is. Nobody has moved teams yet. All CFL teams have an exclusive 48 hour window prior to 10am on FA opener in order to secure their own FA's that have accepted or not accepted other offers. It is literally what this week is for. No one should pencil in any player to any team until the gun goes off on FA. If we were to hypothetically go back to Lawler and say we will match Hammy's offer and he decides to stay, that is EXACTLY how this week is supposed to work and why it was implemented.
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12 minutes ago, Noeller said:
O'Shea told Friesen today that they didn't know until today.
I'm legit curious if some of the Deals In Principle will change because of this information.
If what Friesen is peddling is true, and teams have an exclusive negotiating window the last 48 hours before FA officially begins, I could see some players getting offers from their former team that might bring them back.
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1 minute ago, Fatty Liver said:
They had their winter meeting about a month ago, I'm sure it was discussed.
Had to be. CFLPA likely told not to announce until a specified date.
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I find it pretty hard to believe that the GMs did not know that this would at least be a possibility. It appears to me that a couple of them rolled the dice that there would be a big jump, and most would not risk it. I could be out to lunch on that but the math around this FA adds up that way.
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Yep there were a multitude of calamities particularly in the first half of the season. I though everything tightened up a lot better by the midway point.
For sure. A big part of that was O scheme too.