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10 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:
Now we are cooking with fire. Good job KW. This will change the dynamic of our receiving corps similar to what Lawler would have in so far as how it impacts how teams can play D against us.
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29 minutes ago, 17to85 said:
Biggest problem with this team is complacency and some guys never have to worry about their jobs regardless of performance (again, complacency).... that's coaching.
Person and Allen and woodbey come in and look ******* good instantly but it was coaching kept the off the roster so long.... so at what point do we stop pretending that osh is playing the best at every position when we can see that he doesn't always do that...
If osh won't change his approach this team will just get worse and worse because the message has gone stale. Too many passengers on this team right now and that's a coaches job to fix.
Let's even say that maybe there's an overall talent problem here.... Let's say that oshea is playing his best players at each position... there are still massive problems with the way the roster is constructed and that's a common theme going back a long way. We drafted some high upside linebackers who don't get a sniff on defense while career depth Canadians get to start continuously. We have in the past dressed players who taken 0 snaps. We dress Americans to only chase kicks or do really niche situational things. I've described it in the past as playing other games on hard mode. Well that doesn't work as your team ages and loses some star power. Replacing stars doesn't happen magically, you have to actually develop players to replace aging veterans.
This league has changed to one of one year contracts. It's time Walters changes his approach. I have never been a proponent of FA but it is now a necessity in an age of unprecedented player movement. The luxury of developing players is over.
Fact is that Walters did not sign a single FA that has been an improvement over one he lost. And anyone thinking that MOS chose the FA signings only to cut them or not play them is smoking crack.
We have to recruit players that are capable year one guys and then be ready to lose them after one year of them starting. That's life in the CFL now. Giving guys reps over vets just so they can bolt is not a sustainable roster build either.
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17 minutes ago, 17to85 said:
Biggest problem with this team is complacency and some guys never have to worry about their jobs regardless of performance (again, complacency).... that's coaching.
Person and Allen and woodbey come in and look ******* good instantly but it was coaching kept the off the roster so long.... so at what point do we stop pretending that osh is playing the best at every position when we can see that he doesn't always do that...
If osh won't change his approach this team will just get worse and worse because the message has gone stale. Too many passengers on this team right now and that's a coaches job to fix.
Let's even say that maybe there's an overall talent problem here.... Let's say that oshea is playing his best players at each position... there are still massive problems with the way the roster is constructed and that's a common theme going back a long way. We drafted some high upside linebackers who don't get a sniff on defense while career depth Canadians get to start continuously. We have in the past dressed players who taken 0 snaps. We dress Americans to only chase kicks or do really niche situational things. I've described it in the past as playing other games on hard mode. Well that doesn't work as your team ages and loses some star power. Replacing stars doesn't happen magically, you have to actually develop players to replace aging veterans.
I don't deny roster construction is a problem. What i don't agree with is that many here seem to think it's our main problem. Overall talent level is 70% of the reason we are losing games. The other 30% is poor coaching, poor coordinating, and poor execution by the players.
Does anyone here honestly think we could get a different coach and suddenly this roster is a contender? I don't. Sorry, we are talent deficient at way too many position groups.
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On 2025-08-30 at 6:38 PM, Booch said:
Hes obviously not too swift
Also blames Walters yet Walters isn't out on the road....HC also tells scouts what he wants in a player and who he likes signed or let go...he fails to realize or accept that...also HC does the cutting...and roster construct...not the G.M
Walters dropped ball on free agent targets but we also don't know if his HC said he didnt want player A...or B...or if guys said no cause they wanted to go to a place with an actual chance to play...as opposed to being back seat of a coach's favorite
He yammered on how BOLO is better than Clercius...and I know with 1000 percent certainty BOLO left here because of non use and final straw was standing on sideline all game in the grey cup while Bailey..Demski and Schoen played crippled...
I have NEVER stated BOLO is better than Clercius. I do blame Walters for lack of starting talent. That's a GMs job whether you like it or not. If you want to give him a free pass to hang onto the fantasy that the fringe talent that left for playing time is our downfall then you are the one not being too swift.
Unless it is your belief the REAL talent such as Lawler, the OL, our numerous actually talented DTs such as Sayles, that left was a coaching decision? I see a crap load of FAs making huge impacts with teams that have passed us and our GM did squat.
You can sit and suggest that MOS controls who is brought in the door and if that were the case all the more reason to fire Walters if he has handed off his job to his HC.
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7 minutes ago, 17to85 said:
Straw man nothing, we don't need an all Canadian DL interior for the ratio, that's quite choice that is being made
No it's not. We go all NAT DT on 15% of our snaps. We go 3 man front more often
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On 2025-08-30 at 8:13 PM, Brandon said:
Jake is a D level player who now at his best is a D+ level. He's old as heck , unathletic, invisible on the field, offers nothing, and is taking valuable reps from anyone else.
Woli was an above average non import who when healthy could contribute and make plays. He is younger and had/has way more upside then Thomas. The reason people had no gripes was that Clercius was given a chance to play and performed at the same level so replacing him with a cheaper option is a no brainer.
Thomas sucks so badly that they could put anyone on the field and we would see absolutely no drop off. Anyone has better upside then him.
Not a comparison of their roles, a comparison of whether or not it was time to move on. We got it right with Woli and wrong with Thomas.
On 2025-08-30 at 6:28 PM, 17to85 said:You really truly believe that Thomas and Lawson are better than Adams or Woods at defensive tackle? Truly believe that?
Straw man argument because of a little thing called ratio. Of course Adams and Woods are better, just as most NATs have better IMPs that could play in their stead.
On 2025-08-30 at 8:13 PM, Brandon said:Jake is a D level player who now at his best is a D+ level. He's old as heck , unathletic, invisible on the field, offers nothing, and is taking valuable reps from anyone else.
Woli was an above average non import who when healthy could contribute and make plays. He is younger and had/has way more upside then Thomas. The reason people had no gripes was that Clercius was given a chance to play and performed at the same level so replacing him with a cheaper option is a no brainer.
Thomas sucks so badly that they could put anyone on the field and we would see absolutely no drop off. Anyone has better upside then him.
Should we miss the playoffs i expect pink slips for quite a number of people.
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4 hours ago, 17to85 said:
No it's not the same. Wolitarsky was still a guy producing as expected from his role. Thomas is a guy playing more than his ability dictates which is the issue.
Woli had a crap year last year. Let's not have revisionist history here. It's why we moved on. Comparing him and Jake is fair. Difference is Drew was never a whipping boy here. Guys clamoring go get him back are living in the past.
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45 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:
He's got 17 weeks to get PR or active in NFL. He's got basically 7 game cheques that he can make up here. And if he chooses the latter he's taking a punt on the NFL until 2026.
The Bombers would really have to sign him to a huge extension IMO to get him to come north. And I'm also not sure he's that good in our league.
You honestly think he has any NFL hope? I don't. He has zero teams value and is a 2x NFL early cut. IF he wants to keep playing it's the CFL or nothing this year. He can retire from football, but that is his only option for making money from now until April. I would be shocked if he isn't back here honoring his rookie contract while negotiating for an extension.
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2 hours ago, Arnold_Palmer said:
I’m not surprised though. You lose your three best receivers, you can’t continue to run Joey Corcoran and your back up quarterback, they need some vets who you can plug in incase they’re needed for Sunday.
No doubt about it. Totally had to add receivers, just sad it got this far.
40 minutes ago, Goalie said:I like Pokey but I wouldn’t go crazy overpaying for 1 year of production. I’d offer him a fair contract with an nfl out but if you ain’t making the NY jets then I’m not sure you getting another shot. I mean I work at a job that makes nepotism hires. I don’t mind but all the new office people are sons or daughters of bosses. In the nfl would a guy who was drafted and cut maybe get a shot over a guy who was undrafted and out the cfl. ?? I’m not sure there but I’d imagine NY was his chance.
Where does everyone get the idea we need to offer him a contract? He is already under contract should he choose to come back. He may ask for a new contract in order to come back but his only option is Winnipeg in the CFL. Not really a great bargaining position if he wants to play.
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45 minutes ago, wbbfan said:
Very likely, but the talent level overall would've dipped and made the game much harder to watch, especially for casual fans. Like the late 90s when the gap between imps and nis was gigantic.
We would've been hit hard league-wide at OL. I think most teams would've had to start 3-4 imports. We had a lot of good ni ol in that time who likely would've been the prime targets.
No doubt. I think we would have had to cut our NAT starter numbers in half and probably trim overall roster numbers to keep our game from scrubs being played.
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1 hour ago, wbbfan said:
Unless it was just changed, the IPP does not apply to Canadians. It only applies to kids born outside of North America. If it was included, we would be seeing a lot more first through 4th round pick types sitting in the NFL for a year. Seriously, it would completely decimate our draft.
I beleive players have to be signed to the IPP in the first place as well, I don't think they can be recerftified to IPP after signing.
Canadians don't count, this was one of the good things that Randy Ambrosie got the NFL to do to help the CFL. They originally were looking at including us. I knew this because there was a short blurp on TSN about it at the time. I don't think anyone in the media realized just how big a win that was for our league because it was a buried story and it deserved much more headlines.
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1 hour ago, ShyGuy said:
Interesting.
My source is a couple of Packers blogs saying that he does qualify
https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2025/5/19/24433214/green-bay-packers-news-taylor-elgersma-international-exemption-2025
https://thepackerspost.com/packers-made-a-smart-move-by-signing-qb-taylor-elgersma/
Weirdly enough in the Wiki entry to the IPP it states that "Some of these criteria have either changed over time or there is some discretion applied during the selection process, as not all the athletes that have come through the program in the intervening years meet all of the following criteria." so maybe there have been some changes or maybe those blogs are just misinformed.By rule no players of American or Canadian citizenship qualify. Your blogger is incorrect.
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18 hours ago, JuranBoldenRules said:
Yeah he showed up his teammate but that guy was moving to help block the nose while Hardrick was passing a guy off to block air.
Dumb and lazy play then with the show of waving his hands around at a teammate when he was the one who ****** up.
All the games I've watch Yoshi this year he has looked cooked. I don't know if he's lazy now or just entirely lost his mobility but he isn't the same guy we had that's for sure.
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3 minutes ago, Booch said:
IF we have a Wheatfall...Wilson..."healthy"Schoen...Demsji and Clercius then yeah thats a good group....Is Sterns relegated to PR/IR or do we DA him over Logan and let Vval do double duty, or does Dandy and Houston take the corner spots and Vaval is the extra db abd returner?
I wanna see Logan get a few more games in and get his sea legs back as he could be a real nice extra piece for us
Well, all those choices now become tough ones, and that's much better than the choices we've had lately. Good lord, we've had a choice of Corcoran or Cobb....yikes...choosing between Schoen/Wilson/Sterns is like night and day difference. Getting Mitchell and his 2 catches for 6 yards a game off the field is a no brainer so I'm not including him.
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5 minutes ago, Booch said:
got his bell rung...hurt his ankle...we need to bring the heat, and he will be done like dinner
That has always been key against Harris. He gets rattled easily when hit.
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20 minutes ago, Booch said:
Agree....and do we catch lightening in bottle again and take all 3?....possible...I like how ZC played and what they did with him.....the lack of a legit WR who he would continually risk poor throws to has made him be more cerebral and surgical....may be to our benefit now BO seems healthy
To me we have talent inhouse here already...tho a small few lil tweeks/adds would do us wonders, it's in my opinion a matter in how we are coached and prepared and utilize what we have to the best ability....thats where I have some doubts as we suffer badly in that regard...but there been some signs of adaptation...so....
I am thinking that if we do get a fully healthy Schoen and O. Wilson back that could be real game changers too.
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19 minutes ago, wbbfan said:
Hamilton might not be better than .500 when we play them. Their splits at home and vs the west are bad as well. Bc was above .500 when we beat them as well.
I actually think Hamilton is the most likely to win for us. They are 2-2 at home and 2-4 vs the West. While we are 2-3 on the road, we are also just 3-3 vs the West.
With all that said, though, since the schedule is so poorly balanced, it is really hard to place value on the strength of schedule and record vs X situation. So damn many home and away series, season series wrapped up in 1/3 of the year, 2 away games in 5 days, type of situations.
I think the road to us winning 2 of 3 would likely start with a blowout in the LDC. If we get slapped and SSK hangs a big number, they might have a considerable hangover in the BJB and struggle on O, giving us a chance to finally answer back for being punched in the mouth. Then, if we roll that into some momentum in Hamilton, we could thread the needle and turn lemons into lemonade. I think that would likely require some tough changes after the LDC, though.
I think the likely case is that we get swept, and that's the wake-up call to bring some urgency to Hamilton. Our "one week at a time" thing went from playing each game like the play offs to preping for each game like its week 1. And the previous games review went from not getting too big a head from winning most weeks to writting off loses cus hey it's a new week and we just go 1-0!
I think 2-1 in the next 3 is very realistic. I don't think that either Saskatchewan or Hamilton are teams we cannot beat. We will have to bring our A game though.
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57 minutes ago, ShyGuy said:
I think Elgersma also gets helped a bit by the International Player Pathway... because he is a Canadian out of USports I think that the Packers can get an exemption to keep him on the PR where he doesn't take up a Practice Roster slot.
He is not eligible for the NFL International Player Pathway. Must be outside US/Canada passport. Doesn't matter where you played college, just passport designation.
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1 minute ago, Bubba Zanetti said:
I wouldnt be surprised to see Elgersma stick over Clifford as QB3. He outplayed him by a large margin in preseason. Four years younger and has higher upside.
At this point I could see Elgersma easily getting but on the Packers PR.
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11 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:
Thing is, we don't know what Wilson can do. I'd like to see him get some playing time. I have a feeling this team will at some point go full speed rebuild so why keep an older injured qb on the roster?
Why keep any veteran? Because the goal is to win now. You can't just throw every veteran out the door because a new kid arrives. We don't know what Wilson can do, but the coaches do. They have deemed him to be behind that veteran and therefore the most replaceable QB on our AR.
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12 hours ago, Goalie said:
Why. He’s got more potential than both Wilson and Streveler. Why cut a guy who showed more in pre season than Wilson has in 2 years. Streveler can’t even make a QB sneak anymore.
Why not. He’s already a better passer than Wilson and Streveler. I’d imagine if he signs he’s on the AR or 1 game. He’s not gonna come up to sit on our PR.
No way we PR him imo. He comes to AR as our number 3 and Wilson goes to the PR. As a NAT QB he would be claimed off our PR in a heartbeat.
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4 hours ago, Booch said:
Yeah true...but he also has to be realistic with himself...can't knock him from trying/hoping tho
He needs current game film that may entice another team next year. He's a UDFA early cut with no value to STs..he's not in demand.
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Baloney to blaming coaching for poor drafting. That's a reach and you know it.