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55 minutes ago, JohnnyAbonny said:
Of course out of camp. We were specifically talking about replacing established vets in season
I can think of a few in that regard as well. Evan Holm, Redha Kramdi just off the top of my head got their jobs this way.
9 minutes ago, Goalie said:Perhaps Wade is thinking cash cow. I’d hope changes would be coming soon but how do I say this, I feel O’Shea was given a long long long rope, and Kyle and Wade are ok with O’Shea hanging himself with that rope this season. And you won’t really see any changes. Vets won’t be replaced, Streveler will get the reps, Wilson will dive into piles. Jake plays. Kolo plays. Bryant plays. Kyrie plays. All the vets will continue to play. Jake will play all 18. You know he will. unless injuries happen, there will be no changes. Shay and smith will get zero reps cuz those are Kyle’s guys. After the season is finally over at 7 and 11, and we sneak in the playoffs and lose, O’Shea will be fired, vets will be let go or not retained and or retire and 26 will be the retool. Walters as gm still but new head coach. Perhaps it’s Younger or Lapolice as coach next season. But I’d look at some outside the box candidates also. Perhaps former cfl QBs, gotta be a few around coaching somewhere not the nfl.
Kyle Walters will be gone before O'Shea.
55 minutes ago, JohnnyAbonny said:Of course out of camp. We were specifically talking about replacing established vets in season
If you are replacing vets in season for poor play, it is because you are losing. Other than this year, when has that been the case. When you are winning you make the hard choices in the offseason. That's football management 101. Unless a vet has been terrible and the next man up is clearly better you won't see this happening on winning teams. That has not been the case around here in all but a few times. We've had vets lose their jobs to injury though.
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10 hours ago, Arnold_Palmer said:
Listening to the post game, O’Shea said Strevelers play was gritty and made some great throws, and that not once did he think about making a change at quarterback. Absolutely delusional.
You guys think a HC should crap on his players publicly?
10 hours ago, JuranBoldenRules said:It's sad watching Streveler play now. His game was built on athleticism, not being a great passer. And he's probably never going to be more than about 80% of what he was.
He's not enough of a threat to do anything with his legs so there's so little attention paid to him by the D and way less space for the receivers to operate. And he's not accurate enough to manage a game to the point of being a winning QB in those conditions against a good team.
Yea. 2019 Strev had a chance of developing into a starter. 2025 Strev does not.
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15 hours ago, JohnnyAbonny said:
Closest thing to that happening was Jeff Hecht getting replaced by BA, but even then BA was in his 3rd year and had been playing a different position and Hecht wasn’t cut, just benched.
I can’t think of another time in season.I can think of many times rookies won jobs out of camp. Try harder.
17 hours ago, Booch said:Based on top 2 guys in league...and our best
Lawler has 3 games under 30....3 games over 100....and 4 games between 80 and 100...10 tds
Demski has 3 games under 30.....2 games over 100....and 3 games between 80 and 100 ...7 tds
Hatcher has 0 games under 30....5 games over 100...and 1 game between 80 and 100....4tds
for curiosity Schoen had games of in yards 46....29...75...47...58....2 tds....longest play was 27 yards
Mitchell had games of in yards 22...7..22..28..6...0 tds...longest of 21
Case had games of in yards 10...0...1 td...and last yr 0...5...0...no td's....he was kept around why??
Sterns had games of in yards 13...36...26...49..14..72..53..27..50...40,,,4 yds....great for the 4th or 5th option behind 3 legit guys
pretty sad and lame...I think 285k for Lawler....whatever we payed Schoen and easing him the yr...like 1 to 2 six game stints to start if need would have been the wiser choice
Signing Lawler over Sterns/Mitchell is a no brainer
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7 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:
Yeah, right. Go have another tequila.
You should while getting more educated on these injuries.
15 hours ago, Booch said:Yeah...that's pretty scummy
He did lotsa promo stuff for Bombers as was...so killing his camp cause it wasn't associated with them is pretty low
Yep. Not a good look.
15 hours ago, Tracker said:He is good but not %300,000 good.
He is over 1000 yards already and is a strong contender for MOP
16 hours ago, Booch said:when have we seen with this current management/coaching group a vet guy cut for a young guy/new guy that was shocking?? I cannot think of 1. Happens elsewhere...or a guy gets pushed into a backup role
thats how we got T.jones for example...cause Edm saw the potential and upside in a rookie....so cut him...how that work out...R.O.Y or something?
We have done that, results were not good.
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57 minutes ago, Booch said:
yeah...i sense that what he saying...and some clamor lets try the guys not on...but he says they no good...yet we havnt seen them for a multi game stretch so we cant really say they not better...but I sure cant be worse...but we will likely never know
thomas inefectiveness makes the rest of line suffer....its a tandem unit..Woods played damn good last yr and our defense faltered after he got hurt
Adams played just fine this yr...better than KORN..Schmeck and Thomas...but he tales a seay on pine when there is ways to have him and Woods on roster...but we dont
J.Jones too...u say he is a ham and egger...hardly true....our best game of yr on defence was a game he played reg reps on defence in rotation
You dont know until you know...But Osh refuses to try and find out....just continues trotting out poor choices where it abundantly clear what he is using..and how he using them isnt optimal
...or maybe it is optimal and this whole thing is completely on Walters and recruitment. I would like to find out as well. don't get me wrong, I do not like his roster game in and game out either. My opinion after seeing numerous guys in spot duty that everyone is clamoring for such as J. Jones etc is that they really would not have any impact at all if played. However, I really do hope I'm wrong. So far this past couple years our depth has looked terrible when they get their chance. However I do agree that doing nothing isn't going to help either. Play the young guys and let's give our depth an extended look, this season was lost last week anyway.
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2 minutes ago, Mike said:
GCn20 for President of the Bomber Apologists Club
Just not going to buy this conspiracy theory being floated. If it does turn out to be true then I will absolutely demand better. Not gonna buy this I heard it from a source that cannot be named though. I am absolutely disappointed in Bombers management and coaching for the fiasco that is happening in a Grey Cup hosting season. Just garbage that better cost jobs. Just not going to engage in piling on with rumors and innuendo. There are enough legit things to criticize without throwing here say into the mix.
Apologist nope. Just think that we are not looking at the big picture here and that is the fact our player retention/attraction has been dismal, and our recruitment very average to below average. Coaching has compounded these problems, but overall roster talent is our biggest issue.
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2 hours ago, rebusrankin said:
If Walters didn't talk to Kenny until the day before free agency, that's a mistake on his part. If the Bombers shut down his ability to do the football camps he was doing with his work permit, that's awful on their part. That said, key word is if.
Poor management.
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8 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:
So 300k for Kenny, Schoen was 175 plus bonuses which I believe were around 200k+Mitchell's money would cover Kenny and a guy on a rookie deal like Wheatfall. So again, we could have afforded him.
We could have easily afforded him in a bunch of different ways. Last year we had both Schoen and Lawler at 500+ and we made it work with a far better team than we have now.
3 minutes ago, ShyGuy said:I don't think the Bombers were hoping to replace Lawler with TWO receivers.
Schoen was already on the books, hope he is 2022 Schoen and that replaces Kenny (whoops)
Sign Mitchell, hope he gives you 2023 Schoen like production (whoops)
Sign a position of need... Needed to replace Bighill so come on down Jonathon Jones (whoops)
Mitchell and Jones salary slips nicely into the hole created by Lawler's departure... But neither of them could crack the roster for... Reasons
Mitchell is for all intents and purposes a bust and a complete waste of money. J.Jones appears to be the same.
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8 minutes ago, 17to85 said:
so then what the **** are you arguing about all the damn time?
I'm arguing about the impact roster usage has in our over all ability to win. You guys seem to think it makes a big impact and I don't think it would. I don't think that replacing Thomas for Woods or dressing another DL for Ayers would make a lick of difference. It is head scratching for sure, our roster usage, until I look at how poor our depth is. My biggest beef with the last 3 years on this forum is how myopic it has become. We have spent 20000 posts talking about roster slots 51 thru 53 and about 100 posts talking about the massive talent drain that's been going on. The lack of talent retention is 95% of what our biggest problem is right now and all you guys want to key in on is how we are not putting in scrubs to replace scrubs. Lets talk about how a Joey Corcoran makes our team and plays actual games because our receiving corps is hot garbage, let's talk about how our OL went from dominant to the worst in the CFL. let's talk about Chris Streveler now being our starting QB and the guy is not a CFL calibre starter. These are the reasons we will not win going forward. MOS has flaws but he has clearly demonstrated an ability to win if you give him players. Walters has not done that.
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9 minutes ago, 17to85 said:
Just so we are clear here.... you're saying they're not playing the strongest lineup they can?
I've never stated otherwise. I have always said that MOS's roster use is not up to snuff and the fact we don't use the naturalized import is a head scratcher. Where we differ is how much of a difference it would make. I don't believe for one second we have the overall talent to do any better than what we've done so far. With Collaros out I don't expect to win more than a couple more games this year.
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Just now, bryan35 said:
Wish he was still here but he does disappear for stretches.
Shows up when it matters in a big way.
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20 minutes ago, Booch said:
prove yours.....wheres your money?....and I said here i wont reveal names....sorry
Think horses mouth if that helps you....also...team itself said it?...are you just arguing for arguing sake?....like cmon...do a simple read of recent tweets even
and who said over hearing stuff at gym...I've never said that
hard to find the truth eh?...even without talking to the actual player in question...amazing haha
Where does it say full tear. Nowhere. You are making assumptions and trying to back it up with anonymous confidential cannot be named sources. I am going off the history of ACL injuries and how they are handled.
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14 minutes ago, ShyGuy said:
Walters and Kenny seems like the Hervey and Eugene situation only Walters remembered not to say the quiet part out loud.
Of all the questionable roster decisions and signings (and not signings) Walters has made, I'm not sure not signing a 31 year old WR who hadn't played more than 2/3rds of a season the previous 3 seasons to $300K/yr would crack the top 5
He got paid 275k to go to Hamilton. How much do you think we paid him last year. Clue...it was right around that mark. I get that his injury history and legal problems kept him out of the lineup, but a lot of that time he missed was not against he SMS.
5 minutes ago, bigg jay said:Yeah why pay for the best WR in the league when you can get a beat up Schoen for 5 games at half the price? That's money well spent right there!
How many games did Lawler play each year of his contract. The reason to sign Lawler wasnt dependability, it is because he is a cheat code when he is in the lineup.
14 minutes ago, Goalie said:300k for a receiver is wild. I’d pay prime milt more. Same with prime Arland Bruce probably Geroy Simon but I’m not sure Kenny is In that group. Like you said, his health and other off field issues are red flags.
Kenny Lawler is a cheat code. I dont care about his health or off field issues so long as they dont happen in the playoffs.
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15 hours ago, wbbfan said:
we are starting 9 canadians. we could go down plus use the naturalized rule.
We also have ayers who doesn’t play D and isn’t a DL, and we have 3 back up imp dbs. wouldn’t be hard to rebalance the line to stick in a couple more imps even into the starting line up.
!00% agree on the bolded. It wont make much of a difference because Streveler is a below average QB and the guys we would play instead are ham and eggers, but your point is 100% valid. Play the strongest lineup you can. This would at least expose Walters awful GMing.
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Ted Goveia was the glue that held our front office together for so many years. He was not only a bird dog for us, but was instrumental in many of our player re-signings and signings. I was very concerned when we lost him, and am saddened by this news. The Hamilton TiCats lost a very good GM, and the CFL lost one of it`s best bird dogs for talent.
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1 hour ago, Booch said:
Simple test on sideline would almost confirm it.
The club and Tait had said he tore it
I know for a fact he tore it...but won't say names here
That's all I need to know it was mishandled and incompetence basically cause we were desperate with where our roster was at
Desperation....par for course...how many guys over last 3 yrs did we dress and play who clearly couldn't perform?
That's what happens when you have a stubborn coach who only knows how to lean on his vets and favs until they have nothing left..and have minimal to contribute...and even then takes a serious injury to take em out of lineup
Not sure why u keep this partial tear thing going? U are not correct
You don't graft in a whole new ligament for a "partial tear"
Prove it. Put your money where your mouth is. Until you have proof of a full tear I will not entertain here say and I overheard it at the gym or other garbage like that. You saying it is a full tear is not supported by anything that any person would consider concrete proof. I do not believe that one of the most respected athletic therapists in the history of the CFL let a player walk onto the field with a fully torn ACL. Unless you have proof of that it is purely and 100% speculation on your part.
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21 minutes ago, 17to85 said:
Yeah typical football player stuff. "I'm insulted because they didn't pay me everything I wanted"
Lawler is a hell of a football player, but he's always been looking out for #1
As he should. Kenny may be talking the talk but he is also walking the walk. The Ticats are getting full value for a contract we felt was too much. It was a mistake by Walters to let him go and there is no sugar coating it. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a player knowing his worth and not being happy when his former team would not recognize it. Why should he take a slap in the face offer to stay. This is Walters missing the mark on a players valuation as he so often does.
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16 hours ago, rebusrankin said:
This just in. Cj Reavis confirms that he is an ******* who doesn't take responsibility for his actions.
CJ Marino needs to be out of this league. This is two QB now he has targeted with dirty hits and injured. We didn't the original Marino more rope than that. There is no place in pro football for players who behave like this.
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16 minutes ago, bigg jay said:
Even if he fully tore it after he came back, they still let him finish the game knowing it was re-injured. By their own admission, he got hurt again early in the LDC so why was he out still there?
16 minutes ago, bigg jay said:Even if he fully tore it after he came back, they still let him finish the game knowing it was re-injured. By their own admission, he got hurt again early in the LDC so why was he out still there?
Did they let him? Or did he not come clean to training staff until after the game? You don't know, and neither do I. Sometimes a player will hide the extent of their injury in order to keep playing. You are making the massive assumption that Schoen went immediately to the trainers and that they pulled out their portable MRI and were able to conclude it was fully torn but they put him out there anyway. Nope, not how it works. He was coming into the game with a partial tear so you expect some discomfort etc. The training staff were likely all over him after every series asking him how it felt etc. If Schoen doesn't come clean there isn't much any team can do. Players do it all the time, and a lot of guys end up in a lot of medical trouble after because they hid injuries from staff. It is football culture to do so to some extent.
12 minutes ago, wbbfan said:That needs to be investigated by the league and PA.
You are assuming that it hasn't. We are all working off of 3rd and 4th hand information that someone overheard someone mention that is a cousin of someone in the dressing room and people are eating this crap up because we are unhappy with how this season is unfolding. Wild speculation is not fact, and I have not seen a shred of reputable information suggesting that the Bombers knowingly rolled out Schoen onto the field with a fully torn ACL. None, zero, zip. If you have any links to his medical report, and comments from our training staff supporting this wild speculation I will listen. Until then this is gross rumor mongering and quite frankly nothing but a witch hunt., The pitchforks are out, and I get it they should be, but let's pull them out for the facts not conspiracy theories.
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8 minutes ago, Booch said:
key word....Partial...and yeah agreed but with minimal success and production....but more often than not they a lineman....maybe a QB....Not a RB or Wr who has to rely in cuts...stop...go....jumpinmg and landing.....and if they were to try, they are basically a shell of their actual production....and more apt to sustain further damage.....both which we witnessed in real time...hence the stupidity and incompetence of it all
Schoen retore his completely...big difference....huge
He tore it fully when he came back, it was not fully torn prior, and I agree that it isn't probably the wisest move to play a guy on a partially torn ACL but that wasn't the discussion I was having with SpeedFlex. He accused the Bombers of disregarding player safety, I took issue with that assertion. He was given the option to rehab the tear by medical staff, that is how we know it was a partial tear. Fully torn ACL is automatic surgery and quickly before the two sides of the ligament contract. No medical staff in the world would let a player go out on a full tear.
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10 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:
Who was the last player in the CFL to suit up & play two games on a torn ACL after he was dignosed?
There have been many. Count how many players around the league suddenly turn up with knee braces on and you will find your answer. You are suggesting that a partially torn ligament is an automatic shut down and it isn't in many cases. A lot of guys have partial tears play out the season with a brace then have surgery to repair.
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3 minutes ago, Booch said:
I am...cause he literally means and thinks it///we dont know his mental acumen....in his warped mind maybe he thinks that...who knows....
He can say we have total confidence in our backups without saying they are #1 's.....and if injury, we have no hesitation putting them in....and he doesnt...so he's spewwing bullshit
But also if you gonna claim and say it....prove it and play them...not the walking wounded
I agree on your last point, playing guys who are not near 100% is a recipe for losses. However, I think you are holding on a little too hard to a turn of phrase by a HC just trying to instill confidence in the next man up.
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2 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:
They won't either. Milt just lost a son so I won't say anything about him.
However, I think Osh is a freaking hypocrite saying tht he cares about player safety. Sure... Yeah, like what he did to Schoen this year. The Collaros finger injury in last year's Grey Cup. The injured he started & played in the 2023 Grey Cup. Some, like Biggie, Collaros, Alexander & Demski couldn't run. Osh needs to shut his pie hole when saying that injuries are no one's business but the team & that he cares about player safety because to me he doesn't show it. If the team announced injuries like they used to I believe this kind of bullshit wouldn't happen as questions would be asked as to why an injured player who is supposed to be 6 gamed are still playing.
You are making a lot of assumptions about players health without having a shred of real information to back it up. You are suggesting that you know more about the Winnipeg Blue Bombers players health than MOS and his team of medical professionals? Look, you make a valid point about rolling out players that aren't 100%. No arguing that. However, player safety is an entirely different thing. Tons of players around this league and every pro football league play through injuries. This isn't something new. If you want to debate whether they should or not that's completely valid. If you want to debate whether the team rolling them out is violating their player safety...prove it. Show me the medical reports.
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On 2025-09-09 at 2:39 PM, 17to85 said:
It's hyperbole for sure, but it's not out of context misquote at all.
No one is advocating full scale, but if you have these glaring issues at certain positions standing pat is not an answer. Like centre, or DT.
I agree let's try something. I also don't feel we will be very pleased by the results.
On 2025-09-09 at 2:02 PM, Booch said:Go back and listen to.soundbites or read...they are all number 1's...that's why they are here....
You are going to take that literally? A coach giving his backups some confidence? Obviously there is no such thing as all number 1s.
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Can't remember which one, Darby I think. A move that was heavily criticized by some beating the drum for changes now too.