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59 minutes ago, bigg jay said:
Also when they play at home, PAS has a sunken bowl design which (theoretically) should help mitigate wind conditions. I've often noticed the flags over the concourse blowing in the wind but the flags on the goal posts are hanging limp so it seems to work, at least to a certain extent.
Yea, we really do have a pretty nicely designed stadium for sure.
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On 2025-10-15 at 2:31 PM, Stickem said:
Bud Grant who was a very successful coach, said about the wind...'you take it from the get go if you have that option....His theory was that the wind is very unpredictable, and you take it when it's blowing at the beginning of a game...He thought the wind could switch around or quit altogether thus losing your advantage....Knowing the unpredictability of mother nature I could see his take and it worked for him
Bud Grant certainly had a strong point back in the day of weather balloons and getting your weather information based on 24 hour old information through the CBC. Nowadays we have up to the minute forecasting available on the internet. Not the same thing. If the wind is likely to die off during the game, our coaches know it before the coin flip.
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1 hour ago, sweep the leg said:
I’ve also coached for a long time and agree with this take. The competitive players want to win. They’d prefer the other starters not be lazy assholes, but in the end they mostly just want the best team on the field.
The players want the best players on the field so long as they put the team first. If you are not doing that you will be a locker room pariah. I am going to say this as gently as I can, anyone thinking differently has not coached any level of serious ball. Pop Warner players might accept lazy and me first guys, but truly competitive ball calls for TEAM and players will not appreciate guys who do not put the team first. Maybe shitty teams and shitty coaches will out of desperation but that is truly why that happens. Players want the best players on the field despite attitude only when the losses start mounting, until then they want to protect the culture in their room.
2 hours ago, M.Silverback said:I coached youth football for years, so I am definitely not an expert, or close, on anything related to football. But, the best teams I coached had the most talented players. Full stop. It was a bonus if those players also were "character, good in the room" guys, but often were not. And often the "character" players were great as back ups or positive energy bench guys. I posted before, a pro team can't be full of only narcissistic a-holes. But it needs elite talent, and if some of them are, that's why you're a pro coach! To manage egos, conflict, talent. This Bombers team is really lacking in elite talent. How many will make the all CFL team, or even West division all star team? The blame is shared between Walters, who has fallen asleep at the wheel, and Osh who seems to think character trumps talent. This is the least fun Bombers team to watch I've seen in 20 years.
Youth are quite different from adults. They don't know any better. Teenagers want the most popular guys on the field and it doesn't matter what their attitude is. You learn differently as you mature.
2 hours ago, wbbfan said:A great example of a glue guy, imo, is Sheed. He wasn't a top 3 WR, and he didn't need to be. He was the last imp wr on the roster, but after some early career struggles, was as reliable as can be, blocked his ass off, ran the sweep, and did all the little things extremely well. He was also a tremendous character guy, a leader, and a culture setter.
Early on when he was fighting his hands he was on the verge of getting cut. And when we got to a point where we needed to save money and develop more young wrs he was gone. Imo, he was gone a bit too soon. But he brought a lot while he was here. You don't need that guy, but you sure are glad to have him when hes here.
Exactly right. Sheed is a perfect example of a lesser talent having a much bigger impact than his stats. He left a big hole in the dressing room when he left.
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16 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:
Of course it's with the Knights.
I know I'm some rando guy on the world wide web so this is only important to me and my family but my daughter had a run-in with this individual in his draft year and let's just say she wasn't impressed, well it was the complete opposite of impressed.
Here's to the Knights and said player failing miserably.
I've heard similar stories about Jonathan Toews. I like to give players the benefit of the doubt when I hear about bad fan interactions. Sometimes guys, young guys especially, don't realize how important it is to hide their bad days when dealing with fans.
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1 hour ago, HardCoreBlue said:
The other observation I had watching the dynamics on the sidelines was MOS's (and other coaches/players) animated displeasure (with good cause probably) towards Mitchell's lack of execution/preparation/engagement but completely 180 degree approach to other players like JT who is probably very likeable, hustles, is a team player, engaged but bottom line his 'production' generally matches what players like Mitchell 'produce' considering JT gets more reps that DM. I get why but at the EOD one has to produce on the field and being a body filler of gaps frequently being manhandled on pass plays to me sends what kind of message to players who, like JT, bust their ass but produce unlike JT? This whole dynamic is a much bigger issue than the approach JT is our 39th best player it's not a big deal. IMO playing and supporting players like JT influences team culture that influences production on the field more than some think.
That's what these guys here who profess to have played the game don't have a hot clue about when it comes to coaching. I suppose selfish, me first players might see it differently but they generally have very short careers. Guys who are truly professional and put the team first have no issues whatsoever with coaches that reward hard work and effort and it absolutely is key to building a winning culture. If you want to reward talent over character all the time you will have the Craig Dickenson RIders. A team full of me first guys that cannot win. Easy for us armchair coaches to sit back and say Player X is marginally more talented than Player Z and therefore that should be the only consideration, and that's why we are not professional coaches, because if that's your only consideration when making the lineup you will be the worst coach in CFL history.
I coached for many years and had an open door policy with my players. Had hundreds of discussions with players about lineups and who was starting who wasn't. The overwhelming majority of concerns that players had if I was making a lineup wasn't about me dressing/starting a lesser talent. Quite the opposite, players would come to me and tell me so and so isn't working hard and his backup is busting his nuts, you should dress that guy instead. Players value other players putting in the work, and for the most part, their talent level is less important. That is as true a locker room statement as there is. Anyone saying different is either lying about being in a dressing room, or is oblivious and the guy that other players were saying should sit.
Over the years I've had the opportunity to speak to a lot of JT's team mates. To a man they view him as their Rudy Reuttiger because he gives 100% all the time. That being said, he probably gets more reps than he should at this point in his career, but playing him is not as big an issue as some here make it out to be. He's a glue guy.
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4 minutes ago, bearpants said:
this past offseason was fairly disappointed at the time... and is a complete disaster in hindsight... consider the "big" moves we made:
- Mitchell - couldn't crack the line up and when he has played, he's been useless outside of one play
- Logan - lost his job to Vaval (though never really given much opportunity)
- Jonathon Jones - released
- Vaughters - been OK but nothing spectacular
- Schoen - resigned at a discount only to basically ruin his career
- Let Lawler walk and he's been an all-star in HammyFaj > Kelly was more of a hypothetical... I don't expect either to be available
Let's not forget Dobson as well, and that's just one of a plethora of good young OL we have simply let go to market, while simultaneously over the past several years not drafting OL in the first round. This offseason we went scrap heaping with a fist full of dollars available. Makes no sense in a Grey Cup year. Before we even played one snap this year I was ready to take my pitch fork and try find Kyle Walters. Now I am just too sad to do so. Logan didn't really lose his job to Vaval so much as Vaval just took it from him when Logan was injured. Can't really blame the GM for that mistake, but at the end of the day a mistake is a mistake whether intentions were good or not.
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32 minutes ago, wbbfan said:
They did bring in 3 guys essentially for one spot, in white, sterns and mitchell. But they could’ve brought in some one who was less of a hail mary.
White was the best of them in camp imo.
Glad lawson is off for houston too. It’s wild though how thin we are at soo many positions.
Yea, all 3 were kind of duds. You lose Lawler you better bring in someone a heck of a lot better than Sterns/White/Mitchell. It's this kind of GMing that has cost us dearly this year. Over the past several years we have lost enormous amounts of top tier talent with B rate replacements signed to replace them. That has led us to this. Our complete lack of quality depth is also a big time issue. We haven't seen much in that regard since RIgmaiden left town.
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22 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:
MOS showing his displeasure with him, JJ very animated in trying to coach him up while showing him plays on his playcard, Wilson trying to get Mitchell more engaged on the sidelines as Mitchell would drift off and stand alone while the D was on.
Yea, there were two plays in a row that Mitchell, just half arsed his routes at a light jog, Frustrated? Doesn't matter. Unprofessional, and MOS and JJ let him have it. I would be shocked if we see him again, and this probably solves the 'mystery" of why he never saw the field much this year. It wasn't some bias by MOS as previously reported.
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12 hours ago, wbbfan said:
it’s too bad, a us league could do really well with a faster play clock, 3 downs, motion/wagle and a wider field.
Don't forget a longer field, goal posts on the goal line, and a 25 yard end zone. All key elements to exciting football.
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17 hours ago, Brandon said:
I was talking about Mike Kelly.... bring back the wild cat and get rid of the highschool shotgun formation baloney!!
Don't forget the jet sweeps.
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11 minutes ago, bigg jay said:
But he's still under contract through 2027 (and the amount goes up in each of the next 2 seasons) so that may hamstring them a bit, in terms of what they can afford to pay Faj unless they can get him to redo his deal or pawn it off on another team.
....or they could cut him. I can't see a universe where any team pays him 425k next year. None of his 3 year contract is guaranteed. He'll be gone before his bonus comes due imo. The guy outright sucked this year. If they try run it back with him and let Faj go they are complete idiots and deserve the 2 win season they will have. Cody has proven that Ford was completely inadequate by having a winning record with the same squad that Ford could only win one game with.
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2 hours ago, DTonOB said:
Doug doesn't like kicking off in both halves and said so during the Edmonton game and in the post-game show. O'Shea very clearly believes that kicking off twice is okay if he gets the wind in the long quarters. So, I was curious to find how many times each team had kicked off twice (as a proxy for 'taking the wind in the 4th').
Yea....you looked it up and proved that MOS is onto something. Sitting back without context it appears to be a bad decision in theory. In actual practice you can't argue the results. Not just from the MOS led Bombers but overall.
3 hours ago, 17to85 said:For a team that relied on grinding out wins, especially late in the game ensuring you have the wind in the long quarter isn't always a bad thing.
Yep. There are a lot of things we can question MOS about but this isn't one of them imo. I'll take wind in the 4th over first possession of the half 9/10 times. It's the smart play imo.
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5 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:
He's too big of a risk because of physical limitations from his injury before you even factor in the BS.
The guy hasn't played since last year. We are screaming up and down about what a goof it was to sign Dalton Schoen. Same thing really. I wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole right now when you factor in he is a wing nut. If we decide to move on from Zac, and I really don't see many better options, I would hope it isn't to sign him.
2 minutes ago, bearpants said:Faj > Kelly... 100% of the time for me... Faj may be a bit of a dink but at least he's a decent human being...
Fajardo has led the Esks to the precipice of a playoff spot. Edmonton will lock him down. Ford is not the future there and they know it.
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4 minutes ago, bigg jay said:
Talk is about Chad Kelly, not Mike Kelly.
My bad. PTSD I guess. Thank goodness, I thought this place had gone off the deep end once and for all.
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1 hour ago, 17to85 said:
You sure about that? Lapo has his system and it's been the same for ever. Not all that different from what Hogan is trying to do, just lapo is better at it. For my money collaros would struggle in a lapo system because it relies on a lot of short passing which is absolutely the weakest part of collaros game.
Yea...I'm sure. Lapo would have control of his QB. Collaros can easily play a ball control style. He doesn't like it, but he could.
1 hour ago, Tracker said:I'm a big believer in second chances, but Kelly's personality and track record indicates that this is his core personality and unlikely to change. He might suppress it for a while under duress, but leopards and spots...
I can't even believe that anyone would even entertain the notion of bringing back Mike Kelly. This is just insanity. I couldn't care less about his perviness, the guy was an absolute disaster as a coach, an even worse GM, and single handedly destroyed our reputation and made us the laughing stock of the league. I would rather hire the Saskatchewan guy who likes to poop in Winnipeg planters than Kelly.
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17 hours ago, Booch said:
I see a bc and mtl final as well...
Hamilton would be nice tho to break their drought. Be funny too with all our cast offs being deemed not good enough...not worth the price...or alienated by this staff...be nice kick to the onions for the tall foreheads here
We have supplied Hamilton with serious upgrades in talent. Not a single bit of that has been from our cast offs though. Unless, you wanna call Lawler and Dobson castoffs which they most certainly are not. The rest of the players that have gone there have made little to no impact. Roster fillers and/or injured most of the season. Still banging the Garbutt/Fox drum and that is sad. They suck.....1 sack combined. Yep....that will win the cup for Hamilton. Really...honestly...you think Fox/Garbutt/Hubert/Wolitarsk (injured almost all year)/BOLO represent any kind of missed opportunity by the Bombers? That just shows your overwhelming bias against our coaches. Those guys aren't why we are losing. Lawler/Dobson....yep,,,they are big factors in our **** season. They ain't castoffs tho. They are gone due to poor GMing. Man, what could have been if Walters had done his job.
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15 hours ago, Brandon said:
It's called being a realist. If I were to have to put money down on who wins the Grey Cup... I most certainly would lean towards putting that money on the Riders over the Bombers this season. It's not being a "bad fan" , it's called being a realist.
Everyone on here "hopes" the Blue can pull off a miracle and win it this season. It's just that based on what they have shown it's highly unlikely. So people are saying what the 2nd best option would be. For myself I say Hamilton because I'd rather that fan base gets to enjoy a Grey Cup win over listening to Rider fans celebrate and be ultra annoying about winning the cup.
Agreed, IF the Bombers aren't the team to win it all then I hope it is the TiCats. Personally, I will cheer for the Bombers though and think that they could still get to the Cup. Got to be consistent though.
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19 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:
Can Zach change his style? We have not seen evidence of this yet..
Will the coaching staff push him to change? See above.
Yep...hence what we have seen this year. Not saying it's going to happen, just saying it's what needs to happen. I think we may have been a lot better off hiring Lapo over Hogan. Lapo love him or hate him, would not have continually tried to put a square peg in a round hole.
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14 hours ago, Noeller said:
I need context for this....
Context goes against the hate agenda here. Here is the ultimate context, we went 17-4 in that span. Poor coaching indeed. Obviously, MOS would rather have the choice of field in the 2nd half vs getting the ball for one possession but that runs against the narrative here where criticism rarely comes with context. Everything MOS bad....that's all we need to know. The teams who have made the choice to kickoff twice have won by an almost 3-1 margin. Yep that Oshea is dumb alright. Now we will hear the drivel of we won in spite of the bad decision, but the fact shows that coaches who have done so have been enormously successful when making this choice, not just OSH. Yet here we go, after Derek Taylor gives us the ONLY way to judge whether this decision is sound or not, and people are still beaking off calling it poor coaching? This forum has taken a leave of it's senses this year. Pitchforks are out and not a lot is making sense anymore. Just blind hate for everything. Sad really.
Guys who know football around here and should know the decision to kickoff twice gives us the choice of wind are just completely disregarding that because it doesn't jive with their agenda and it has completely dumbed down the conversation around here. There is no balance whatsoever, just cherry picking out of context. Get used to it. It's not going to get any better. We have an almost cult of personality developing here.
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Zach ain't what he used to be for sure, but his arm is not cooked. He needs help around him, play calling that makes sense, a coach that will reign him in, and a little more self awareness. He isn't MOP calibre anymore, but he is still capable of being a lot better than what he has shown this year. Gone are the days of Zach taking control of a game on a consistent basis, but he can certainly manage our games a lot better if we can create the right conditions. That being said, his salary needs to reflect that if we are going to bring him back. There is no reason in the world he can't re-invent himself like Harris and BLM have done if everyone comes to terms with the fact he has to do so, including himself.
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On 2025-10-08 at 12:02 PM, Bubba Zanetti said:
So Tim Horton's has stopped selling all of their soups and chili as of October 1. Just beyond f**king stupid. Those were pretty much the only edible things still on their menu. Right before soup and chili season no less. Just braindead s**t from the moronic out of touch tall foreheads at corporate.
Totally 100% agree. Not to mention that soups are probably one of the best mark ups in all of the restaurant business and is still an actual drawing card for many because very few people offer it anymore..
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58 minutes ago, Bubba Zanetti said:
I still cant wrap my head around the fact that anyone actually even watches this show, let alone be upset enough to take out an ad about new cast members. I mean a dog and a cop crime fighting show?? Sounds like Turner and Hooch.
Well until you guys have owned a crime fighting Private investigator dog I wouldn't expect you to understand.
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9 minutes ago, bryan35 said:
But hey come on......its just easier to blame Oshea for poor roster management.
He is guilty of poor roster management for sure but the logic people are extending here to the effect of that is mind boggling. Instead of just looking at the real cause for our losses, that being talent and depth drain in the trenches, they would rather fantasize that we had the talent here all along but it was on the bench. The second biggest reason is that our best players made some big time mistakes in each of those games....but nah....if we had dressed Miles Fox that would have overcome that. SMH.
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51 minutes ago, Tracker said:
For most Blue Bomber fans, the frustration comes from losing games (including Grey Cup games) when a few obvious changes would have won those games but our head coach was too damned stubborn to make those changes.
What obvious changes would have won any of those games. Show your work. To say add this guy and subtract that guy would have won is not provable in any way. We could have made those "obvious" changes and lost even worse. None of us can say otherwise. To say we definitely win if this guys starts and this guy sits is not fact, it's opinion, and one that couldn't be proven one way or another. In all of those Grey Cups I watched players that were indisputable to be in our lineup make mistakes that gave the other team points and momentum. Maybe we should have sat them too? That's an inconvenient truth in all of this. Last year we lost mainly because our 1st and 2nd string QBs were injured. We had nothing but ham n' eggers left to play or a QB trying to gut it out. Those were our options. Anyone thinking Dolegala comes off the bench to lead us to the Grey Cup against that defence is dreaming in technicolor. We had one shot and one shot only at victory, Zach Collaros being able to gut it out. He couldn't but that doesn't change the fact he was our only option at victory.
33 minutes ago, JohnnyAbonny said:Our DL besides Willie didn’t have the chops in that game at all. OL didn’t play well either. Agree there was bad roster management but Toronto was still the more talented team in the trenches imo.
It showed in the game we lost to themhere late last season too.As was Montreal the year before.....and it doesn't matter who we had rostered, it was always going to be that way. We didn't have the horses. The Montreal game it was a calamity of errors by some of our best players that cost us victory not roster usage. Last year we simply could not compete with them in the trenches no matter who we dressed. 2022, again, our strength was our secondary. ELITE secondary all year that gets completely run over by Chad Kelly. Not roster usage there either. Big time players make big time plays. IF those plays are positive we win.....our best players were the ones that cost us in all 3 of those years. Plays that should have been made were not. For 3 years I have been talking about our talent erosion overall, and guys around here are beaking about how Jake Dolegala or Miles Fox would have won us the Grey Cup? The myopia is strong with this roster usage thing, probably because the drum has been banged so hard on it. Wanna know why we lost the last 3 Grey Cups? Their talent made plays and our didn't....and yea we got whupped in the trenches all 3 years because our talent has eroded on both sides of the ball in the trenches. Those are the REAL facts. Self inflicted wounds? Sure...by the players themselves not manning up when it was time to do so.
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They are usually well known. It's just you don't cancel a game on spec and always hope the storm will miss. I was a season ticket holder for a long time and when the forecast said T-storms, there were almost always T-Storms, but games are not cancelled until the storm actually hits.
I agree, plus he has never played a playoff game. I'll take a newb QB to the playoffs over anyone with experience. It's a different animal in the playoffs.