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2 minutes ago, GCn20 said:
If the league doesn't fold mid year, or cheques start bouncing and you can motivate yourself to play well in a big stadium with 140 fans playing in a league that literally no one cares about.
1 minute ago, wbbfan said:It's a hard call for him, to be fair.
He's 23, about to turn 24, and easily 2 years away from playing here or in the UFL. By the time he has the base amount of film and experience to get back to the NFL window, he is turning 28, and at the end of his window.
UFL pay will be close to what he would get here, and each will be about equal to a couple of weeks on an NFL PR.
He's still getting workouts, and he played well enough in PS to be on an NFL PR.
If I was him, I would play in the UFL this year, and try to make an NFL PR out of camp. I'm sure he would get a camp invite from someone. If an NFL PR offer doesn't come at that point, sign up here. With the coaching down south, and playing against that level of competition in 2 camps plus the UFL, he would likely be at the same level as a 2nd year imp qb out of camp. If not higher. Still plenty young enough to get good money and win a spot here. And still have a bit of long term NFL hope.
I also think that is the best-case scenario for us. The seasoning he'd get in NFL camp and pre-season is far greater than he would get doing the same here. He grew up playing Canadian ball; the nuances are not so far removed for him.
The worst case, for us, him and the NFL dream, is he doesn't get an NFL camp invite or ends up on a team that only lets him hold a clipboard, then sits and waits for an NFL pr offer that isn't coming and burns another year, while also not getting reps in the UFL. But even in that event, it isn't terrible for us if he comes up then. You sign him to a long-term deal and lock in cheap.
I would sign UFL as well. Players can opt out of their contracts for any other league anyway,
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5 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said:
He's been drafted by a league that will pay him more than the CFL for a bit anyway.
If the league doesn't fold mid year, or cheques start bouncing and you can motivate yourself to play well in a big stadium with 140 fans playing in a league that literally no one cares about. Trust me, the XFL left a sour taste in a lot of mouths a few years back when it left players high and dry when it folded. Guys literally were hitch hiking home.
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4 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:
Yup that’s what I meant.
1 minute ago, Booch said:based on his pedigree....where and what he came from...his BC as QB....His options were exhausted when Green Bay let him go and nobody picked him up by mid point of the season when all teams had a good grasp on their QB situ's and who what was available that was better
Reality is a bitter pill sometimes...But he has the trifecta of "no legit chance in hell" attached to him...Canadian....Canadian trained...Undrafted.....no chance in hell...Plus he has an additional one...he's a QB who plyed his trade in the CIS.....Never...ever gonna happen for him...ever
A lot of people do not realize that NFL rosters are as much political as they are skill based. There is a massive bias against skill players coming out of the CIS. Trenches are trenches, the big men are big men in any league but receivers/QB/RBs coming out of the CIS are rarely anything more than TCF.
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19 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:
Yea I was thinking more understanding the game better at the CFL level.
And while I'm at it I really hope we utilize our 2nd string QB this coming season more than short yardage snaps. I just can't get over the absolute relunctance in doing so. I'm not suggesting pulling the trigger everytime ZC struggles, I'm suggesting being way more strategic with the back up QB other than hat on backwards signaling in plays trotting out onto the field for 3 and inches fall forward and being ready to go if ZC gets blown up.
He will understand the CFL game more than almost all the Amerk QBs. The timing and speed of the game will be the issue.
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1 hour ago, Booch said:
lol....chase it....maybe you will find a coach like Osh who has a chub for your technique or lack there of hahahaha
Elgersma, and probably other NATs as well, would already be here if the CFL didn't have the ridiculous 3 year contract for crap money on NATs.
57 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:What does the UFL pay qbs? I think it's less than the CFL. probably does. Problem is, Elgersma's a rookie so he'll get $85000 Canadian to play up here which is much, much too low to get quality rookies to even consider coming to the CFL.
UFL pays QBs up to 100k USD iirc.
EDIT: 64k minimum contract with some making 200-400k. I would think Elgersma would be on the lower end. However, we just saw the UFL MVP sign with us to be at best 2nd string. I can't imagine that Elgersma has more earning potential that he does in that league.
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1 hour ago, SpeedFlex27 said:
Schoen is damaged goods. Why even weaste a penny on him? there are better free agents out there younger & have twwo healthy knees. And even if he signs elsewhere & has a great season, his body is a ticking time bomb for something to go off. Walters needs to spend money wisely & not foolishly. Move the eff on, already.
I'm not against moving on either. Like I said depends on contract. IF Schoen gets clearance, wants no upfront money, and is willing to play on a prove it contract with a low base salary the risk/reward is in our favor. That being said it is highly improbable he is ready to go anyway so the whole premise is really moot.
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6 minutes ago, Booch said:
Vaval has good representation and a in tune Agent who agreed with him to make the smart decision for this yr and just commit....and add to his tape...More guys need to find that type of governance in their career...Hello Elgersma
Yea...if the best offer you get is a futures deal it isn't worth it 99% of the time. Futures guys rarely make the PR. QB might be a bit higher than other positions but still rare.
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1 hour ago, wbbfan said:
sounds like they are moving on from grant
Not necessarily, but probably. There is a remote chance they signed Logan to compete at RB.
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42 minutes ago, 17to85 said:
I don't see how schoen plays next year. He's a following year option if he is an option at all.
More than likely he is out this whole year....or at least he should be. Players do stupid things with their long term health, let's hope Dalton isn't one of them.
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19 hours ago, Stickem said:
Schoen will be 30 in October.....2 acl's ...I'd be very tentative about re-upping the guy .....He was a warrior for us BUT the injuries he suffered will most likely have affected his game.....Will he totally recover and be the same player....Big question mark and there's a few good receivers available in fa....I think it's time to move on
Depends on the price. IF he is healthy, and IF he takes a low base salary incentive laden contract then I would roll the dice on Schoen. I would not give him a premium receiver contract this go round tho.
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On 2026-01-18 at 10:25 AM, wbbfan said:
If he was a direct cover db, I would agree more. He's also played a ton of D snaps off the bench down south. But at S, I don't think he needs more experience from down south. He's got the football IQ and instincts for S, tremendous size and athleticism. His success at S would be based on his adjustment to the cfl game.
He's certainly not TCF. He's actually played something like 1000, snaps at S in the Big 10. That's worth many times more snaps at low levels. That is likely why we signed him for 2 years. He might be a developmental guy at worst in our view.
Outside of Corner (unless we kick Allen out to Corner, as Booch said), this secondary will be extremely hard to make. I do love the idea of kicking Allen out to corner early and seeing how he does. Then if Kramdi goes back to S, Start Griffin at Sam.
Holm, Nichols, and Woodbey should also be locked in (if healthy out of camp) to similar roles as last year.
I'd be fine with having Houston and or Bonds back in camp to try and reclaim the other corner spot. I wouldn't have them leading the pack but if they step up either could lock down that spot.
If Vaval is back as KR, it becomes harder to use a 2nd DI at DB. With Woodbey already to play wil, we don't need one nearly as much either. Makonzo, Shay, and Smith also greatly reduce any need to carry another DB.
With all of that, we would have 1 corner spot open, before cfl free agency even begins. With possibly one or both of Bonds/Houston to compete at that spot. While Mcghee also came to us last year and has league experience, plus Williams and Texada returning who spent time on the pr last year. PLUS all the other rookies. And Lawson, who was brutal here last year but has also played in the league previously. A guy like that can always turn things around.
Short of an injury bug, this is the hardest secondary to make that we've gone into camp with in a very long time. But, bringing in impressive size, versatility, and a strong skill set is as good as it gets.
I think he will be among our first cuts. Two reasons, the first is that I really don't think S will be in play. The second is that our recruitment at DB and current roster are really good already.
Working in his favor tho is a rookie salary after the hideous contracts KW has handed out. If he does stick he will have to be a ST demon.
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16 hours ago, wbbfan said:
He’d be a very good fit at either, also at wil/nickel.
Hes a down hill type more than a side to side guy. The sam needs to be a good bit of both, especially in our system. His so so agility would be the big obstacle, plus the nuance of the position.
He certainly has that upside and versatility that we should challenge him in camp with many positions and see where he settles.
Those big fringy guys who can cover are extremely valuable in Ds.
For me, i’d build a D around as many of those outlier match up nightmares as possible.I would like his chances a lot more if he had more experience. Nice athlete but very raw. I see him as either TCF, or practice roster at best. That being said if he brings his lunch pail and works hard who knows. We did keep the marine for those reasons.
15 hours ago, Booch said:Intruiging for sure..I could see him doing well in a role like woodbey did..off the edge..in the box covering the intermediate zone and flats
But watching his tape...he could be a real good downhill safety too, with ability for some real good over the top coverage..hopefully he pans out and gets a DA role to experiment with him
Him at safety if he is real deal and Allen at corner...versatile scenario..especially with woodbey amd hopefully Griffin
He will have to show some serious smarts because his lack of experience at his position will make coaches wary
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1 hour ago, SpeedFlex27 said:
Bryant was never a problem last season & I believe that he graded out as our best OL as well. The problem was our Center Koala. He's gone now to Hamilton & they're welcome to him.
Bryant did show signs of aging last year, although he still played very well. The Bombers would be remiss not to have a backup plan in place should his play drop off a cliff, as it does with so many players around his age, but if he can come back and play as well as last year LT will not be an issue.
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16 hours ago, Booch said:
hopefully we have a real camp...real battles and the cream rises...whoever that may be....but hopefully we are past the old way of certain positions are pre-decided and to heck what TC showed.
If for anything at the very least we know Eli is as solid a 6th you can have...can play multiple spots and is just a machine in jumbo...
I have zero doubt that Eli contributes effectively to our team. I am just not 100% sold that he is the heir apparent as a starter.
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20 minutes ago, Booch said:
seems like it....i like his approach this yr for sure, tho some the money seems a bit out there, but maybe he knows that he was X amount more to use this yr so it's just the new norm...Tho I sure all the signings pre 2026 have money on the 2025 books, so the actual 2026 hit wont be what it seems....
I just want him this yr to have 1..2 targets in FA that will be no doubt about it upgrades and do what it takes..we def have the resources to do so, and playing nice the last 3 yrs...well that didnt pan out...time to be greasy lol
I agree. The interview with him sounds like he will be active in FA, so let's hope it's for stud players not scraps like last year.
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10 minutes ago, Tracker said:
The O-line has been a shambles for the past 2-3 years and until there is both ability and continuity, assessing Eli is likely pointless.
It may have been in shambles due to lack of better options on the depth chart. I'm not trying to hate on Eli, I just want there to be some no doubt about it upgrades vs. maybes this year.
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12 minutes ago, Booch said:
I think his injury was still an issue and was hurried back before really ready...where have we seen that before and it was affecting his explosiveness, and to me looked like it was still in his head and was self preserving
Dude wouldnt have lost it all over one off-season. He was also misused/basically neglected on the offence as he could have added a nice lil element if integrated into the system...but the OC and the in no rush to hire a a legit OC last yr was reason for that and we settld for a guy who isnt qualified to run a Prep School offence....and not sure what spots we still need to fill, but Osh's "in no rush" to hire anyone is just more par for the course...hopefully that attitude is the last hold over with him for 2026 and he truly seen the errors as he claimed and is gonna be more hands on and fix things...Thankfully Walter's smartened up and took 2 dead weight anchors away from the equation for TC
Yes, KW seems like he might show up this offseason. Fingers crossed.
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52 minutes ago, Tracker said:
Because O'Shea
Maybe...but maybe not. Maybe Eli just wasn't good enough. I know for sure he was terrible in pass pro whenever given reps as a starter. That does not inspire me to make him a FT starter.
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2 hours ago, 17to85 said:
Logan looked like ass when he got into the lineup, whatever his injury was surely impacted him cause prior he was a pretty explosive guy.
In fairness to Logan, he never really got many return chances. I don't know if he is crap or not but I wouldn't base it on the dozen chances he had to return last year. Vaval stole his job and Logan was never really in the mix afterwards.
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1 hour ago, Piggy 1 said:
Actually ,you lie. I said inside........NEVER once said Guard.
Ok...so you meant centre only then? Even worse. I was giving you the benefit of doubt because moving to OG is about the only position where Stan should ever line up besides Tackle. Planning on moving Stan to Centre would be a massive mistake by management and coaching of epic proportions. I would fire both if that is the best plan at Centre they can execute. Anyone suggesting that Stan would automatically make a good Centre, I would ask them what evidence they have he can execute snaps effectively. Sorry even to a GOAT OT like Stan this may not be an area he excels. I've never seen any evidence he can snap the ball so why would I ever assume he would easily pick it up. Most guys don't.
2 hours ago, Booch said:JT still wanted to play tho...so not really on his terms...so we threw him a bone essentially
As for Stan...he played just fineast yr and if he back he stays where he is...only change i could see is him and Randolph flipping
He's earned the right to.come back and compete and show he still has it..and if he doesn't I can see him doing a Miller on the 6 game all yr or on the PR at full salary just in case and be that veteran presence to guide our young tackles and quasi coach
All that said...ive seen nothing to indicate he is not still in the top tier of tackles...last yr for a good majority of our offence cant be viewed as for what it appeared...we were facked from day1
I completely agree. All this discussion is for nothing. Stan is still rock solid at OT.
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10 minutes ago, WinnipegGordo said:
I can understand it due to the bonus, but I hope this means we are confident that Vaval is coming back
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16 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:
You do aften use the words stupid, moronic, ridiculous etc when offering up your opinion on other people's opinions, goes back to my previous post when I wrote you write with conviction though this conviction can at times ruffle some feathers if that's your intention. It's not necessarily what you're writing, it's how you're writing it. I offer this unsolicited piece of observation free of charge and even better if you read this while working, you got paid to read it, even better. You're welcome.
I exhausted myself just writing this sentence. Time for a nap.
I did so only after the OP told me I didn't know anything about football but I get your point that others may not realize this was directed to him and take offense and that was not my intention. Next time I will directly tell him I think he is an idiot and leave it out of subsequent posts on the matter. Also the use of the word stupid you quoted was a direct answer to SF27 who asked me if I thought discussion was stupid.
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22 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:
It's called a discussion. You know, we come here to talk about the Bombers. Is that okay with you or do you think that's stupid, too?
At what point did i say that discussion is stupid? People have their opinions, and we discuss them. I thought that the idea of moving Stan inside as a plan was not very intelligent and discussed my reasons why. Is that Ok with you or are we only to nod and agree with things we don't agree with. I gave my reasons respectfully and the OP decided to get butt hurt and make rude commentary. That's not on me. I explained many times that my issue isn't with Stan playing inside per se, but with it being the plan which I think would be a very shortsighted one that would carry more risk than reward.
IF we go through FA, draft, and recruiting and roll snake eyes on anything better than that plan, fine, we do what we gotta do. I would think that to be a pretty big fail by KW and staff tho. We need to do better than moving Stan inside out of convenience. He is unlikely to be any better at age 40 and changing positions than a younger, cheaper OL we can get in FA or recruitment at a lower cost and with far more long term upside. Stan is going down the wrong side of the hill to reinvest in him at a new position and I know that hurts some sensibilities around here but it's just fact. Our very best play as an organization is to find our next generation of OL, let Stan compete for his usual job, and let the chips fall where they may as to whether he still has a year or two in him. If he is still deemed to be our best LT so be it. If not, we need to move on not reposition him. KW needs to have stud OGs and C in camp already.
All that has been discussed around here for almost 3 years is how we are holding onto aging players for too long out of loyalty. I am suggesting that doing so with Stan would just be continuing the stupidity and everyone who vehemently argued that MOS and KW are too loyal suddenly get in an uproar. I am legitimately confused by this inconsistency. The guy is 40, its not the time for him to reinvent his career.
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I think a lot of CFL fans don't realize that the CFL is viewed as league with a very high level of play by the NFL. It's a league where guys who have slipped through the cracks can get a legit 2nd chance. The UFL just isn't at that level of play because they are usually a rag tag bunch of whoever will show up so it's just really ugly football.