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3 minutes ago, bluto said:
I'm not dismissing it. Really. Just presenting the other side of the coin while people gather up their torches and pitchforks.
I have no trouble at all believing that a pro athlete hit on a coworker and crossed a boundary. Especially in this day and age where boundaries for that are basically set at zero-tolerance by default (which I have no beef with).
And yeah, we know that he's a loon. But he's now been painted as a sexual harasser in national media. That's a different sort of reputational hit. And if it was because he asked a girl out at work, that's pretty harsh.
Him even asking the girl out is at best highly inappropriate. If any of what she says is true as to what took place afterwards than Kelly is most definitely a harrasser.
1 minute ago, Mike said:I wonder how we’d be reacting to this news if it were about Dalton Schoen
We likely wouldn't be too pleased with Dalton for being such a bonehead.
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16 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:
Leo turned into a very good OLB. Too bad we had to trade him to Hamilton along with SB Gord Patterson. Patterson & Jauch couldn't stand one another. He benched Patterson in 1979 even though we were the first team in the CFL to get rid of the TE (Ezerins) in favour of an extra SB.. That should have been Patterson but Jauch said nope.
Yea...Leo was a really good player. I remember him being traded. Tough day for me, I was a big fan.
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7 minutes ago, 17to85 said:
Kelly didn't have much of a reputation to start with.
Yea...unfortunately his baggage comes into play whether it is relevant or not to this particular situation.
56 minutes ago, bluto said:Too late for that now, my dude.
And if the "investigation" yields no basis for the allegation, how does Kelly and the Argos get their reputation restored? Do they get to sue the Accuser? will they face civil or criminal charges? We know that they won't. It's a free hit as part of a civil wrongful dismissal case designed to produce a nice, easy settlement.
Maybe it is a hit piece from a disgruntled ex-employee, but it very well might be that this employee was earnestly wronged. You seem to be dismissing that possibility. Kelly has a long history of troubled behavior, and this unfortunately lends some credence to the need for an investigation of these allegations. If it found to be much ado about nothing, then I am sure the CFL will move on and the Argos will still have their star QB. Restoring his reputation? You may not realize this because you are a died in the wool Argos fan, but most of the fans around the league regarded Kelly as a wingnut even prior to this.
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21 hours ago, wbbfan said:
What year range? That’s super cool.
I'm thinking like 81 or 82. I was about 11 or 12 so it's a bit murky exactly what year. It was at a BBQ at his house. My brother took us there as he was our babysitter and he was invited by Leo's sister. There were other Bomber players there but I wasn't a fanatic until I was about 15 or 16 so I don't really recall who exactly.
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7 minutes ago, Noeller said:
If he did what she says he did, then I 100% hope he's gone and never comes back. **** any ******* that tries that greasy **** on women.... and that goes double for Murphy, if he did what she says he did. He's even worse for trying to sweep it under the rug. *IF* what she says is true, they should both be long, gone and forgotten.
I agree. Just hope that's not the case.
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1 hour ago, Tracker said:CFL opens investigation into allegations made against Toronto Argos, Chad KellyThe Canadian Football League has started its inquest into the lawsuit filed against the Toronto Argonauts and franchise quarterback Chad Kelly.CFL commissioner Randy Ambrosie issued the following statement on Wednesday afternoon:“The CFL is committed to creating healthy and positive working and playing environments for all those associated with the league and its member clubs.
We take the allegations against the Toronto Argonauts and Mr. Kelly very seriously and we have opened an investigation in accordance with the league’s Gender-based Violence Policy.
Out of respect for this process and all the parties involved, we will not be able to provide further comment until our investigation has been completed.”I guess where this is much ado about something after all. As much as I like giving Bluto the gears, I hope this doesn't result in Kelly having his contract/CFL career terminated. We need all our star QBs.
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6 minutes ago, kelownabomberfan said:
Stefan LeFors?
yeah don't they realize that the male Rider fans enjoy bringing their cousin-wives to games? Why mess with that grand tradition with this stupid message. Oh well. Looks bad on the Riders as everything else seems to.
That franchise just can't get out of it's own damn way....and I LOVE that about them.
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20 hours ago, Brandon said:
No thanks, I'd rather not drive out of my way to a Wendys only to find out that the prices are hiked up because they are busier. I'm pretty sure during the quiet periods that Wendys won't be knocking down the prices of the food items by a large %.
Plus it's Wendy's and not very good.
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40 minutes ago, Geebrr said:
They just do everything wrong.
Joke on and off the field in every way.
It's almost comical at this point. Just no accountability or professionalism from top to bottom in that organization. Hate to say it but Craig Reynolds has really been a god awful president over there....ok...I don't hate to say it.
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25 minutes ago, Geebrr said:
Today's different tweets concerning women just go to demonstrate the stark differences between our organization and the gappers in terms of professionalism and proper management. Just night and day. Awesome to see Paddy and Schoen coming out to hang out with a strong contingent of passionate female fans of the team. The RIders....well not so much....and I have to wonder who the hell are they to make fun of anyone's math skills anyway? 13
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My oldest is my Ezerins jersey. Given to me by Leo himself when my brother was dating his sister.
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2 hours ago, JCon said:
Who will you be most disappointed about when they are among the first cuts this spring?
I know you didn't ask, but we don't get many out to lunch TC reports anymore, Used to be that a couple posters in the past would bang the drum hard for some guy, get our hopes up, and then that dude would be released a couple days later. Nowadays, there's no real hyping up of guys in camp enough to know who to be disappointed about. lol
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15 minutes ago, bearpants said:
Sounds like they tried jump on (what is apparently) a social media trend... kind of funny but at the same time probably not a great idea to piss off a large group of the fanbase.
Yea...kind of tone deaf for sure.
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1 hour ago, Goalie said:
lol. Much ado about nothing. People just lack humour these days. Comedy is over. This is comedy.
It's a little cringy...but yea...a joke. Pretty hairbrained of a professional organization to mass email though. If my buddy quipped this over a few beers, I'd laugh but not if it was said to a woman. If my wife heard him she would probably have some choice words and he wouldn't get my protection.
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59 minutes ago, Arnold_Palmer said:
This is incredibly sad. He was my age. Good player, and represented the Winnipeg Blue Bombers extremely well, glad he got to win a ring with us in 2019
Wasn't a world beater talent wise but he played hard every down he was in. Those are the type of players I can respect.
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41 minutes ago, bearpants said:
He's one of those guys (like Drew Willy) where I always wonder what he would've looked like if he played on this version of the Bombers
He wouldn't have lasted 5 minutes on this version of the Bombers. Elliot had immense natural passing talent but a QB that won't execute the play that is called will never last long.
2 minutes ago, 17to85 said:Tee Martin was done in by inept team management and coaching and Kamau Incompleterson.
Tee Martin deserved a better fate to be sure, but at the end of the day the guy didn't exactly seize his chance either.
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1 hour ago, Rich said:
Slay is the ultimate hyped up prospect of the past 30 years, Tee Martin...a close second in my book.
10 minutes ago, JCon said:Drink!
He also went to BC and Ottawa and couldn't do it, so it's not all on Lapolice.
Wasn't on Lapo at all. Elliot just enjoyed ignoring the play call.
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42 minutes ago, bluto said:
Kelly has been conspicuous for his hard work and charitable hours and for the record, I don't recall ever scoffing... but then I don't ever recall attesting to any particular player's sainthood either.
I don't think I'm likely to taste any crow here based on a $50k add-on to a wrongful dismissal suit. But you never know.
Like I said earlier, ask Shawn Oakman about this stuff.
Or, as I trust that most people around here are men of middle age or more, I find it difficult to believe that nobody here has an acquaintance who went through an acrimonious divorce where allegations were made. These things happen in lawsuits. They are common leveraging tools. And the tell is that usually the civil suit is filed and no criminal one is. Because if there's a criminal suit, it always makes the civil one a tap-in.
Workplace sexual harrassment isn't in an of itself criminal, just disgusting behavior of the highest order but you are half right....Kelly's behavior has now become very conspicuous. I know you wanna hang onto the shred of hope that this is a nothing to see moment in Kelly's career, or even a one off. History has clearly demonstrated this is not the first, and won't be the last time this guy's true character shows up. It really is too bad that a guy with million dollar talent is limited by a 2 cent brain.
21 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:Rider Store inundated with jersey orders from Winnipeg.
Not sure I would want to wear a Rider jersey with name on it around Winnipeg. Too many mouth breathers would find that double whammy too enticing to provoke an altercation,
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18 hours ago, MOBomberFan said:
Eastern Washington leaps to my mind (I knew there were recently a few big names but had to look them up to be sure):
Greg Peach, JC Sherritt, Bo Levi Mitchell, Matt Nichols, Vernon Adams, TJ Lee, and our latest QB recruit Eric Barriere
An outstanding program for future CFLers to be sure.
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6 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said:
That's a rough one for middle school.
Good thing it's not the 80's or he would get one hell of a rough ride. Can't go there nowadays. Ohhh.....the puns would have wrote themselves.
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15 minutes ago, Mike said:
Really depends on what you need, if you wanna talk scouting.
Bombers and Argos scouting staff both seem to have an incredible handle on finding defensive backs and offensive linemen. Argos seem to find guys to play all over in the box, Bombers have had great success finding interior linemen. Rigmaiden finds more receivers than anyone league-wide (could be wrong but I think I remember being told Schoen was his add to the neg list too) and it seems like the Bombers have figured out a pretty good recipe for finding the CFL style quarterbacks.
Mistaken on Schoen. He was found, almost accidentally, by McManus. Was never on our neg list until after McManus scouted him. However, yes, Rigmaiden does know receivers for sure. Wish he was still one of our scouts.
EDIT: Just found an article that indicates McManus had him on his radar prior to the KC camp, even though he was there scouting someone else, he decided to also have a look at Schoen at the same time. Was intrigued and an ex-team mate of his Tom Terry was a position coach at KC and McManus grilled him about Schoen to confirm what he was thinking. I am not sure if he was ever on a neg list or not, or if Rigmaiden brought him to the Bomber's attention. Just that McManus wasn't there to scout him, but saw something interesting in him when he watched him and sent tape to Goveia to analyze and obviously TG saw it too. Might be Rigmaiden that initially scouted him? Don't know...but I think you gotta give that one to McManus.
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2 hours ago, JohnnyAbonny said:
Argos/Bombers imo are neck and neck for best scouting in the league, and as much as I hate to say it, Toronto’s actually done better than us there over the last 2 years.
Jim Barker isn't there anymore though. He was a big reason for their scouting success. Barker got to pour over Murphy's database. I am glad those two are not in the front office together anymore. Murphy looks under every rock, and Barker has the knack for finding the best of the lot.
1 hour ago, bigg jay said:TBF, some of their players weren't actually scouted by them. Stiggers, for example, was not discovered by their scouts. He happened to play in the Fan Controlled league for an old Argo Assistant (John Jenkins) who told Toronto about him. I'm sure this happens for every team to some extent though - you're not going to be able to see everyone so it pays to have connections.
Yea...Jim Barker's old buddy came through.
2023/2024 CFL (Non Bombers) Off Season News
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Posted · Edited by GCn20
Don't compare this to an acrimonious divorce. You are trying to minimize the situation by reframing it and it shows. This isn't the case of a lover scorned and you putting it into that kind of comparison can only serves to minimize the victim's credibility while garnering sympathy for the accused. This is a workplace sexual harrassment investigation, let's get that straight.
I get it that you really want Kelly and the Argos to be blameless here, a victim of a hatchet job by a crazed ex-employee hell bent on revenge. The investigation will tell us whether there is an inkling of truth to that. Right now all logic points to the victim being credible. She really has nothing to gain in comparison to what she has and will lose.