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45 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

 But that's not a roster management issue, that's a starting lineup issue. We had our best possible replacements available and on the roster to replace them.

It's both. 

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9 hours ago, Jesse said:

Who didn’t we have depth for?

Plenty of guys could have/should have been on the field for Bighill.

We had Rose inactive.

We had McCrae and Ambles ready to go at receiver (although we had too many injuries at receiver to reasonably cover).

The roster choices for those people were garbage, but I don’t we had choices to go to if we wanted to. MOS didn’t, unfortunately.

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I guess if folks can't just leave it alone...

 

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1 hour ago, GCn20 said:

For sure. A couple years ago we had like 35 FA's after the season and by February we were down to 6.

Each team can only slice the pie so many ways

The vast majority of these guys will not make much more money signing elsewhere

And going to a non-contender = lost playoff $$

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37 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

At the same time he had the greatest skill group surrounding him this last year that a bomber QB has maybe ever had. Lawler schoen Brady Demski bailey woli is insane. If he had a 2021 ol and half the threats would he improve? 

That's a big maybe.

93/94 with Dunigan healthy

And for sure 2001

 

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11 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

See my take is that Collaros is too focused on going downfield he doesn't use the shorter throws as effectively as he could. There's a balance to be had and I think collaros has fallen into the "huck it! Chuck it! Football!" Mentality

That is the mentality he has always had. 

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7 hours ago, CodyT said:

You don't think Chris Strevler wanted to play injury or not?

-- that goes against all we've learned about him

Sure he does. Just saying the play book could have been better suited to his injury 

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48 minutes ago, JCon said:

Christ, Strev could barely walk and they were stilk sending him out. 

With a package consisting of 100% running plays - I'm honestly surprised he wants to come back.

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5 hours ago, Doublezero said:

I would not want Zach's 2024 season to look like Calvillo's final year in Montreal. Even before his career-ending concussion 7 games in, Calvillo's production dropped off considerably in that final year. It was hard to watch such a great QB in decline. My argument in favour of going with Brown over Collaros is simply this: Collaros has always been a high risk - high reward quarterback. He makes throws other QBs would not/could not make. When he's on - it's great. When it's not, well, ask Hammy, Toronto and Sask why they parted ways with him. As QBs get older, and Collaros will be 36 next year, that style of play gives way to a far more a conservative approach. That is the trajectory. I saw the movie Napoleon last night. Same deal; high risk - high reward. Until the strategy exhausts itself and you end up defeated, injured, disgraced and in exile.

His last season...sure.

I'm referring more to a few years earlier.  Calvillo did not have a great season in 2007 - you might recall our DL feasting on him

Trestman arrived in Montreal in 2008: they implemented max protect, which worked very well with Calvillo's precise passing

The results speak for themselves: back to back Grey Cups

 

 

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19 minutes ago, blue85gold said:

All true but we also saw in Calgary that moving on to the hot hand young guy doesn't always work out. 

I'd argue Collaros was never steady. He's a gunner, wants to attack. That will lead to INTs and TDs.

Exactly. He's going to throw downfield more than most. 

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5 minutes ago, Doublezero said:

Could just as easily argue that you don't know what you're going to get with Collaros anymore, who is looking more and more like BLM or Calvillo at the end of their careers. 

I would take that. Calvillo was solid with an appropriate game plan for his age/skill set

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2 hours ago, GCn20 said:

Don't get me wrong, Walters had no in-season CIS scouting ability and we were very hamstrung because of that but he was the guy whispering in Mack's ear regarding the 2011, 2012 drafts. Getting Goveia was massive for us, and Walters being able to scout in-season. That's when our drafts started turning around. Prior to that it was just anyone's best guess really and Walters, although he held a lot of influence over our drafting was really doing so with one hand tied behind his back.

So then, the best answer is: no one was really doing it.

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10 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

Yea, but like I said Mack wasn’t doing jack with the draft it was all walters. 

I clearly remember video footage of drafts from that era - Mack was clearly in charge

I will agree that he didn't 'know jack' about the draft

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On 2023-11-21 at 12:17 PM, Nolby said:

I'll get the pitch forks and torches, you get the kerosene....he leaves the village today.

Search the castle - there may be more!

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BC and Edmonton are on the rise. I wouldn't expect Calgary to stand pat either.  The Bombers will not finish first without making changes. 

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23 hours ago, blue85gold said:

Agree if the throw was a jump ball, Lawler would win it. No chance to leap backward through the DB to high point that ball.  Also agree that play should be a TD 9 times out of 10. Just not with that throw.

It was mostly a very good play by the DB.  

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4 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

No it's not, he's the same quarterback he has always been.  Make him think he will beat himself. Unfortunately Ritchie Halls default is very easy to read blitzes. If we had simply gone with the same defense that we used in the West final we could have seen the same result. Massive fail by the coaches of the Bombers. 

You make it sound like Montreal didn't make adjustments. They had a week to do it, and they did.

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Faj played a good game yesterday - that is not fake news. In other news - if ifs and buts are candy and nuts, we'll all have a Merry Christmas.

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27 minutes ago, blue85gold said:

Are we talking about the same play? I was talking the INT in the endzone. He couldn't even get back to the ball because the throw was short of where it needed to be.

Not a perfect throw by any means, but the DB leaped for it and he didn't. The throw itself was easily in Lawler's catch radius. 9 times out of 10 - 8 & 89 make that a TD.

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Just now, Wanna-B-Fanboy said:

I bet moderating Politics threads is a walk in the park compared to moderating... well every thread post Grey Cup loss.

A GC loss has far fewer personal attacks.

I will say this - it wouldn't hurt to realize that we are eating crow about Fajardo right now

Perhaps that should inspire a little more moderation, when it comes to commenting.

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9 hours ago, blue85gold said:

Can't put that on Lawler. If Zach had thrown it out to the corner, the DB couldn't have made a play on it. 

It looked like a catchable ball to me - Lawler has come down with those before, that's for sure. Pretty similar catch to the one where he got his elbow down, against BC. 

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IMO - Montreal's primary game plan was stacking the box to stop Brady & generate pressure on passing downs.  This worked - because ZC kept trying to throw downfield & was having trouble with the extra pressure.  It's been the story of his season.

On offense, max protect worked because the Bombers kept on trying to blitz.  As the Als must have been hoping they would.

But the game was there in spite of all that. If Lawler high points that throw in the end zone - we most likely win.

 

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3 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

I have no issues with the throws themselves either. The play call...well...I may have run the ball.

They were stuffing Brady on a good number of his runs. That's a really good front 7 over there.  In those weather conditions, it did make sense pass the ball.  IMO, ZC has struggled due to the additional hits he's been taking - he got at least one good smack last night.