Yourface Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 I'm really really really starting to HATE this coaching staff. Considering how horrendous Willy has been the second half of this season, and how he's gotten progressively worse, I'm 100% convinced that Marve would give us a better chance to win. Do we not want to end the season on a positive note? And if Marve fails miserably? Then I'll be the first to admit that he'll need to be A LOT better to unseat Willy as the starting quarterback. Willy has been awful for many games in a row now, and he deserves to sit. Simple as that. Oh and I remember when Joey Elliott was a star in the making too. Remember those player of the week honours? Drew Willy has a ton to prove yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 I'm really really really starting to HATE this coaching staff. Considering how horrendous Willy has been the second half of this season, and how he's gotten progressively worse, I'm 100% convinced that Marve would give us a better chance to win. Do we not want to end the season on a positive note? And if Marve fails miserably? Then I'll be the first to admit that he'll need to be A LOT better to unseat Willy as the starting quarterback. Willy has been awful for many games in a row now, and he deserves to sit. Simple as that. Oh and I remember when Joey Elliott was a star in the making too. Remember those player of the week honours? Drew Willy has a ton to prove yet. You just don't get it. SPuDS and northof60 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 Willy in his worst game this year is still better than Joey Elliott was 99% of the time. Or Brink, Hall, Goltz, etc etc. Maybe even Jyles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 I'm really really really starting to HATE this coaching staff. Considering how horrendous Willy has been the second half of this season, and how he's gotten progressively worse, I'm 100% convinced that Marve would give us a better chance to win. Do we not want to end the season on a positive note? Serious question: Is this your first year following the Bombers? Because the things you are suggesting are the exact things that have doomed the Bombers to failure at the QB and Coaching spots for years. Honestly, this city might be suffering from it's worst and most irrational case of "backup QB envy" we've ever seen. We finally have a star in the making and we have multiple people clamoring to sit him for the the greenest backup we've trotted out there yet. It's like Bomber fans are addicted to throwing unproven quarterbacks into the fire and hoping for a miracle. Except this time we already have a good one! We don't have to ruin anymore young QBs people!!!! Just once we can let a young guy develop and JUST MAYBE he'll actually be ready when it's time to give him meaningful playing time. You know, like what Saskatchewan did with Drew Willy for us. Unless the plan is to keep on trying new quarterbacks until we find one who is perfect every single game. In that case, sit Willy and let's try out Marve. You're absolutely dead on. It can't have been that long that people have forgotten how this works. The backup QB envy around here, quite frankly, is disgusting and as a fan, I'm pretty embarrassed by our fanbase when they talk about this. Robert Marve, as much as I like him and think he's got the right tools in his toolbox, came into a game in garbage time and completed half his passes but ran around enough to make people stumble over themselves to hop on his bandwagon. It wasn't even that he played well, he just played DIFFERENT and people equated different to better because what Willy was doing wasn't working. It's like people have forgotten that young quarterbacks, especially those saddled with a poor supporting cast, are going to go through ups and downs. Especially when that supporting cast is allowing said young quarterback to get demolished on a weekly basis. The comparison to Joey Elliott? Embarrassing. Joey Elliott, as much as I liked him, put two quality games on his resume. Drew Willy, on the other hand, was probably the favorite to win the MOP award through the first third of the season. Two very different situations. The reality is this - Drew Willy is QB1 now and he will be QB1 next year. The point of this Saturday's game is to gain as much value from it as we can and the reps and experience for Willy are of more value to us than the reps and experience for Marve right now. If Willy was a 5 year veteran, everyone here would be right in their demands to see Marve start. But for all intents and purposes, Willy is a rookie. At least a rookie starter. He needs the reps, just like he needs to be able to be given the leash that Mike O'Shea has afforded him. Do I wish Willy had been pulled mid-game sometimes? Yeah. I get that concept, because sometimes taking a seat to collect yourself is what is needed. But with the starting job comes the first team reps in practice. The reps with your receivers, guys like Justin Wilson who need that chemistry to develop with their QB1 for next year. Going into next year on a positive note is important, but it's important to make sure it's positive all around, not just in the win column (which is basically one of the last things that matters at this point) If anyone thinks that by having Marve start this week, it means anything for next year, they're sorely mistaken. Marve could throw for 400 yards and 5 touchdowns and all it means is that the media will have some ammunition for when they conjure up their articles this offseason about a QB controversy. Willy is still QB1 going into next year, he's earned the reps, he deserves the reps and even if he's dinged up, beaten down and it ends up in a big loss for us, it's still all part of the process we need to be prepared to go through as fans. Because the end result will be a properly developed star QB. Period. bb.king, bearpants, Rich and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokinBlue Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 Nobody is allowing him to get demolished but himself and your out of your mind if you think otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 Nobody is allowing him to get demolished but himself and your out of your mind if you think otherwise. Have another beer. Goalie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokinBlue Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 Get some glasses, and sorry you don't know half as much as you give yourself credit for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Perfect Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 The idiocy of this fan base sometimes... Goalie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokinBlue Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 I know what you mean... can't stand people like you. Try to talk football and all people want to do is twist words and read into things that were never even said to begin with. It's beyond aggravating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 Get some glasses, and sorry you don't know half as much as you give yourself credit for. Noeller, bearpants and MOBomberFan 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 I know what you mean... can't stand people like you. Try to talk football and all people want to do is twist words and read into things that were never even said to begin with. It's beyond aggravating. You could always share your drunken rants on another Bomber forum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokinBlue Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 Hey I'm more of an O'shea and Willy fan than you ever will be but I'm still going to admit when they screw up, too bad you are unwilling to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokinBlue Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 You can always learn to act your age and show some respect... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yourface Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 Well I hope Willy plays another stinker this week, just to prevent all you Willy lovers from going into the off-season with a heightened sense of Drew being a sure-fire star in the making. By the way, I still think he can be a good QB, but his season overall has been underwhelming to say the least. I'd rather see what Marve can do than to see Willy get killed in the backfield again this week. In my opinion, at this point in the season, Marve gives us a better chance to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbrg Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 Some have the belief that Marve will supplant Willy as the starter. I'm not in that camp, but I do want to see him play. And Portis…I want to see him for a quarter…he intrigues me. Well I wouldn't expect to learn too much giving both of these guys time - there won't be enough reps to do that. They will have charted everything Portis has done in practise this year. They'll already have an idea if he's worth keeping around as a number 3 next year. Maybe give him the last series. Brohm is going to be a free agent in February. If I have 15 minutes of football to assess a QB, I'm finding out if Marve can be our number 2 next season, or if we need to pony up and keep Brohm. I suspect they'll want to get him back for camp next year, but if another team shows up with more cash in hand, what should our response be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 You can always learn to act your age and show some respect... There is very little about you worth respecting, whether I agree with your opinions or not. It's something that is earned, not given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBURGESS Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 Mike, you're smarter than that. Of course Willy's our #1 QB and he will be going forward. Neither are good reasons to start him this week. Willy's been beat up and is no where near where he was in the first third of the season. He's injured his shoulder and hand on his throwing arm. His accuracy, which was great in the first third of the season is gone. He reminds me of a punch drunk boxer these days. He's in there punching, but he's not making the right decisions fast enough to make any difference. The offence actually looked better being run by Brohm / Marve and neither of them are as good as Willy at this point in their careers. I see no advantage to starting Willy this week. I don't buy into the he needs experience argument. He's had more experience this year than he's ever had before. One more game of being beaten up won't do anything positive. I want to see Marve this week, not because I think he will be in the running to be a starter next year, but because the experience can help him and it protects our biggest asset... Willy. Yourface 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokinBlue Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 No that's not exactly how it works in the civilized world, you treat one another they way you expect to be treated back. You on the other hand are condescending to every single person you talk to, impossible to have a realistic conversation with somebody who is that full of them self. Mike, you're smarter than that. ... I used to think he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 Mike, you're smarter than that. Of course Willy's our #1 QB and he will be going forward. Neither are good reasons to start him this week. Willy's been beat up and is no where near where he was in the first third of the season. He's injured his shoulder and hand on his throwing arm. His accuracy, which was great in the first third of the season is gone. He reminds me of a punch drunk boxer these days. He's in there punching, but he's not making the right decisions fast enough to make any difference. The offence actually looked better being run by Brohm / Marve and neither of them are as good as Willy at this point in their careers. I see no advantage to starting Willy this week. I don't buy into the he needs experience argument. He's had more experience this year than he's ever had before. One more game of being beaten up won't do anything positive. I want to see Marve this week, not because I think he will be in the running to be a starter next year, but because the experience can help him and it protects our biggest asset... Willy. If you want to argue in favor of sitting him out as a form of protecting him, I can at least get on board with that suggestion. It wouldn't be my first choice, but I understand the idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbrg Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 Well I hope Willy plays another stinker this week The idiocy of this fan base sometimes... Well I hope Willy plays another stinker this week The idiocy of this fan base sometimes... Well I hope Willy plays another stinker this week The idiocy of this fan base sometimes... Well I hope Willy plays another stinker this week The idiocy of this fan base sometimes... Look ma, I'm a message board DJ!!! bearpants, AtlanticRiderFan and Yourface 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 No that's not exactly how it works in the civilized world, you treat one another they way you expect to be treated back. You on the other hand are condescending to every single person you talk to, impossible to have a realistic conversation with somebody who is that full of them self. Every single person. Spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yourface Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 Mike, you're smarter than that. Of course Willy's our #1 QB and he will be going forward. Neither are good reasons to start him this week. Willy's been beat up and is no where near where he was in the first third of the season. He's injured his shoulder and hand on his throwing arm. His accuracy, which was great in the first third of the season is gone. He reminds me of a punch drunk boxer these days. He's in there punching, but he's not making the right decisions fast enough to make any difference. The offence actually looked better being run by Brohm / Marve and neither of them are as good as Willy at this point in their careers. I see no advantage to starting Willy this week. I don't buy into the he needs experience argument. He's had more experience this year than he's ever had before. One more game of being beaten up won't do anything positive. I want to see Marve this week, not because I think he will be in the running to be a starter next year, but because the experience can help him and it protects our biggest asset... Willy. Very well said. There's absolutely no reason to start Willy this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokinBlue Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 I will make a nice long post tonight to explain things just can't talk on these phones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Perfect Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 I see no advantage to starting Willy this week. I don't buy into the he needs experience argument. He's had more experience this year than he's ever had before. One more game of being beaten up won't do anything positive. I want to see Marve this week, not because I think he will be in the running to be a starter next year, but because the experience can help him and it protects our biggest asset... Willy. Aside from the fact that Willy is in his first year as a starter and needs all the reps he can get, and has just shy of seven months to completely recover from whatever ailments he may currently be dealing with after Saturday....agreed completely... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmillerywg Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 I'm really really really starting to HATE this coaching staff. Considering how horrendous Willy has been the second half of this season, and how he's gotten progressively worse, I'm 100% convinced that Marve would give us a better chance to win. Do we not want to end the season on a positive note? If anyone thinks that by having Marve start this week, it means anything for next year, they're sorely mistaken. Marve could throw for 400 yards and 5 touchdowns and all it means is that the media will have some ammunition for when they conjure up their articles this offseason about a QB controversy. Willy is still QB1 going into next year, he's earned the reps, he deserves the reps and even if he's dinged up, beaten down and it ends up in a big loss for us, it's still all part of the process we need to be prepared to go through as fans. Because the end result will be a properly developed star QB. Period. You have to be Kidding ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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