Blue Bombers -- 2025/26 Offseason -- Discussion Thread

[HardCoreBlue]

1 hour ago, GCn20 said:

Name one time a team kicked a guy inside at age 40. You can't I guarantee that. As it is Stan has exceeded the normal parameters of career longevity. Relearning a new position at age 40 is moronic. I can't believe anyone would think otherwise. We have younger guys on our roster that are OGs that would be better than Stan trying to do it. Idiotic? Is that a better word? Because that's what it would be. If Stan isn't our best LT in camp then he should hang them up and we should be encouraging him to do that. If moving a 40 year old import LT to OG is our best move then management has failed badly. As I've stated, this isn't about Stan's ability to move inside it's about whether this move is good for both the short AND long term. It isn't good for either from a ratio standpoint and from a developmental standpoint. He is 40, we need to quit with the idea of wringing out extra time out of him. He can either play the position we are going to sign him for or he can't. Keeping him and putting him elsewhere is desparation. He is not entering the twilight of his career here where we can get a few more good years out of him with a position change. That was 4 years ago. My god. The move would be high risk/low reward. Stan is the best OL that I have ever seen play in a Bomber uniform and I understand everyone not wanting to let him go, but the proposal is absurd.

You write with conviction, I'll give you that.

I'm assuming MOS is giving SB the same card he gave JT, i.e., you go out on your own terms.

[sweep the leg]

1 hour ago, GCn20 said:

Name one time a team kicked a guy inside at age 40. You can't I guarantee that. 

Jason Peters. Switched to guard before having to move back to T due to starting tackles getting hurt.

 

[johnzo]

40-year-old OL are pretty rare to begin with so we're already in a weird space.  Maybe it gets weirder?  I dunno.  

[GCn20]

29 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:

You write with conviction, I'll give you that.

I'm assuming MOS is giving SB the same card he gave JT, i.e., you go out on your own terms.

Possibly.,,,and if so well deserved. I would just hate for us to tarnish SB's legacy with any moves born out of desperation.

[17to85]

Thinking that if Big Stan became a liability he would just call it a career.

[GCn20]

24 minutes ago, johnzo said:

40-year-old OL are pretty rare to begin with so we're already in a weird space.  Maybe it gets weirder?  I dunno.  

That's my point entirely. At this point in his career does it do anyone any good to keep squeezing for extra time? I don't think so.

6 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Thinking that if Big Stan became a liability he would just call it a career.

I would think so too. I don't view him as one at all at LT. He's still very good at what he does.

26 minutes ago, sweep the leg said:

Jason Peters. Switched to guard before having to move back to T due to starting tackles getting hurt.

 

Thanks, didn't know he had moved inside. NFL is a completely different game tho and different contracts as well. NFL contracts are guaranteed which make a bit of a difference. Also, it was not really a planned transition he moved to OG when Brandon Brooks was injured. As I stated earlier if we HAD to move Stan to OG out of necessity so be it, but to plan it would be detrimental to everyone.

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[wbbfan]

1 hour ago, GCn20 said:

Name one time a team kicked a guy inside at age 40. You can't I guarantee that. As it is Stan has exceeded the normal parameters of career longevity. Relearning a new position at age 40 is moronic. I can't believe anyone would think otherwise. We have younger guys on our roster that are OGs that would be better than Stan trying to do it. Idiotic? Is that a better word? Because that's what it would be. If Stan isn't our best LT in camp then he should hang them up and we should be encouraging him to do that. If moving a 40 year old import LT to OG is our best move then management has failed badly. As I've stated, this isn't about Stan's ability to move inside it's about whether this move is good for both the short AND long term. It isn't good for either from a ratio standpoint and from a developmental standpoint. He is 40, we need to quit with the idea of wringing out extra time out of him. He can either play the position we are going to sign him for or he can't. Keeping him and putting him elsewhere is desparation. He is not entering the twilight of his career here where we can get a few more good years out of him with a position change. That was 4 years ago. My god. The move would be high risk/low reward. Stan is the best OL that I have ever seen play in a Bomber uniform and I understand everyone not wanting to let him go, but the proposal is absurd.

Name one good starting tackle at age 40. That is the issue lol. Basically, all Ts are gone long before that. 

He doesn't face any learning curve. We've seen DL play ol. We've seen guys switch sides. When you have the experience Bryant does, when you've set the line for that long and developed half the elite linemen in the league, you don't have to learn. You especially don't have to learn to move inside. Some guys have weird issues with switching left to right, more so than outside to in, but if you can play T, you can play inside mental blocks aside. 

Look up "The Tackle Age Wall". The best tackles in the world hit it and disappear around 32. The kick inside happens before that, primarily to guys who are below elite. Because Elite guys have the money and don't want to dimish legacy by playing to 40 and being a turnstile. It happens every single year in the NFL. If you look, you'll see there is a mass exodus from T to G across the board. It isn't a risky scenario. It's literally the safest one. 

There is no long-term. There is no medium term. Maybe not even a short term. It's day by day. And it's been a long time since the last good day. 

No one said we shouldn't move on from him if he can't produce. You've lost the plot and spiralled. Come back to the actual conversation point. 

 

[GCn20]

1 minute ago, wbbfan said:

Name one good starting tackle at age 40. That is the issue lol. Basically, all Ts are gone long before that. 

He doesn't face any learning curve. We've seen DL play ol. We've seen guys switch sides. When you have the experience Bryant does, when you've set the line for that long and developed half the elite linemen in the league, you don't have to learn. You especially don't have to learn to move inside. Some guys have weird issues with switching left to right, more so than outside to in, but if you can play T, you can play inside mental blocks aside. 

Look up "The Tackle Age Wall". The best tackles in the world hit it and disappear around 32. The kick inside happens before that, primarily to guys who are below elite. Because Elite guys have the money and don't want to dimish legacy by playing to 40 and being a turnstile. It happens every single year in the NFL. If you look, you'll see there is a mass exodus from T to G across the board. It isn't a risky scenario. It's literally the safest one. 

There is no long-term. There is no medium term. Maybe not even a short term. It's day by day. And it's been a long time since the last good day. 

No one said we shouldn't move on from him if he can't produce. You've lost the plot and spiralled. Come back to the actual conversation point. 

 

Actually what started all of this was exactly that. Piggy suggested we move Stan to OG to get more years out of him. I thought that idea to be pretty stupid and still do.

[CrazyCanuck89]

10 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

Name one good starting tackle at age 40. That is the issue lol. Basically, all Ts are gone long before that. 

He doesn't face any learning curve. We've seen DL play ol. We've seen guys switch sides. When you have the experience Bryant does, when you've set the line for that long and developed half the elite linemen in the league, you don't have to learn. You especially don't have to learn to move inside. Some guys have weird issues with switching left to right, more so than outside to in, but if you can play T, you can play inside mental blocks aside. 

Look up "The Tackle Age Wall". The best tackles in the world hit it and disappear around 32. The kick inside happens before that, primarily to guys who are below elite. Because Elite guys have the money and don't want to dimish legacy by playing to 40 and being a turnstile. It happens every single year in the NFL. If you look, you'll see there is a mass exodus from T to G across the board. It isn't a risky scenario. It's literally the safest one. 

There is no long-term. There is no medium term. Maybe not even a short term. It's day by day. And it's been a long time since the last good day. 

No one said we shouldn't move on from him if he can't produce. You've lost the plot and spiralled. Come back to the actual conversation point. 

 

Didn't Walby and Gorell start at tackle in their 40s?

[johnzo]

18 hours ago, wbbfan said:

same. Especially sheed. idk if he’d be the best technical coach of the position, but his guys would run through a brick wall for him. He’s one of the best natural leaders we’ve ever had. 

 sheed and yoshi showed more leadership than you’d think would even work in the pros. When ever a new guy would be inserted into the line up or especially start, you’d see them with him in the walk out and warm ups. Those two made me wanna run through a brick wall as a fan lol. 

Darvin Adams was a fiery accountability guy, too, right?  I recall hearing he had a big personality.

[HardCoreBlue]

36 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Thinking that if Big Stan became a liability he would just call it a career.

Jake Thomas says hi.

I know, the exit is that way.

[bearpants]

3 hours ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

Honestly having Streveler here on IR and basically interning as a coach would be a pretty smart move.  Kind of thing an organization with cash to leverage should be doing.

completely agree... was kinda hoping we would do that with Bighill last year...

[GCn20]

10 minutes ago, bearpants said:

completely agree... was kinda hoping we would do that with Bighill last year...

Biggie still thought he could play. That is something a lot of players do and it forces tough decisions like last year. It takes a great deal of confidence in yourself to become elite, and at the beginning of a career it's a great trait, at the end it usually results in some humbling.