Permission to talk: Is O'Shea leaving?

[Captain Blue]

Osh is 7th among all time winning head coaches. Seventh. 

To bet that the Bombers could find a better head coach then him would require an all time stroke of luck. 

There is definitely an argument to say his time has or will need to come to an end. I personally thought he was going to Toronto. 

I am mostly just pointing out that he is not nearly as stupid as some here would have you believe. 

[17to85]

2 hours ago, HardCoreBlue said:

If he trots out JT in 2026 I will make a special trip to the Peg with torches and pitchforks in hand. Oh and glad you’re staying MOS!

[Captain Blue]

18 minutes ago, Goalie said:

This would work if we haven’t made the playoffs 9 straight seasons. How awful. Turns out the 10 of you on here are the minority. 

This is something that I think is overlooked overall. The best way to win Grey Cups is to be good consistently. That means consistent playoff appearances and good or great spots in them. 

The Bombers during the Cup drought had the occasional really good or great time. They just never had a sustained run of success, so all it took was bad kicks or bad luck and we were screwed. Then back to the CFL basement eventually. Rinse and repeat. 

If we are continually really good under Osh (which we have), we will be competing for Cups. That's a pretty darn good deal. 

 

[17to85]

Just now, Captain Blue said:

This is something that I think is overlooked overall. The best way to win Grey Cups is to be good consistently. That means consistent playoff appearances and good or great spots in them. 

The Bombers during the Cup drought had the occasional really good or great time. They just never had a sustained run of success, so all it took was bad kicks or bad luck and we were screwed. Then back to the CFL basement eventually. Rinse and repeat. 

If we are continually really good under Osh (which we have), we will be competing for Cups. That's a pretty darn good deal. 

 

Problem for oshea is they peaked 5 seasons ago and it's been a slow slide since then.

[SpeedFlex27]

11 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Problem for oshea is they peaked 5 seasons ago and it's been a slow slide since then.

So, so right, 

[Piggy 1]

And FYI ,I dont see BO or Demski back,cuz of this. 

[rebusrankin]

11 minutes ago, Piggy 1 said:

And FYI ,I dont see BO or Demski back,cuz of this. 

All right, Brady, not sure he comes back or chases more $ but Demski?

[wbbfan]

41 minutes ago, Captain Blue said:

Osh is 7th among all time winning head coaches. Seventh. 

To bet that the Bombers could find a better head coach then him would require an all time stroke of luck. 

There is definitely an argument to say his time has or will need to come to an end. I personally thought he was going to Toronto. 

I am mostly just pointing out that he is not nearly as stupid as some here would have you believe. 

Except the past doesn’t dictate the future, and none of the rosters/staffs he got to above .500 with are walking in the door for next year. 

Would hiring buono instantly make us significantly better because his record is better all time? 

23 minutes ago, Piggy 1 said:

And FYI ,I dont see BO or Demski back,cuz of this. 

I dont know that we lose both, but I am sure we will lose some people we don’t want to. Maybe in more than one area as well. 

[SpeedFlex27]

5 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

Except the past doesn’t dictate the future, and none of the rosters/staffs he got to above .500 with are walking in the door for next year. 

Would hiring buono instantly make us significantly better because his record is better all time? 

I dont know that we lose both, but I am sure we will lose some people we don’t want to. Maybe in more than one area as well. 

If Walters sits on his hands under his fat ass & does nothing again in free agency, we're cooked. 

[Captain Blue]

10 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

Except the past doesn’t dictate the future, and none of the rosters/staffs he got to above .500 with are walking in the door for next year. 

Would hiring buono instantly make us significantly better because his record is better all time? 

I know it's fun to think a new coach behind door number two may turn out to be a new superstar coach, but in this case you're hoping that that guy could someday wind up as good as Osh. 

Good coaches with a proven track record would generally seem a better bet than a new hire. 

Also to sit here in November and speak so confidently in the roster or staff is something neither of us could possibly know. 

[HardCoreBlue]

20 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

If Walters sits on his hands under his fat ass & does nothing again in free agency, we're cooked. 

Translation: good luck coach, we believe in you.

[wbbfan]

19 minutes ago, Captain Blue said:

I know it's fun to think a new coach behind door number two may turn out to be a new superstar coach, but in this case you're hoping that that guy could someday wind up as good as Osh. 

Good coaches with a proven track record would generally seem a better bet than a new hire. 

Also to sit here in November and speak so confidently in the roster or staff is something neither of us could possibly know. 

We don’t need a superstar coach, we need one who can competently manage the clock, roster, challenges and coaching staff. 

Mos, is proven with a historically dominant roster. We are seeing what he can do with a roster that isn’t one of the best ever. And it’s an awful lot like what we saw before the run. 

You’re right that proven coaches are a rare valuable commodity in the cfl. Especially ones you can win with currently. I didn’t have much hope for that for next year. Next to none when dinwiddie went to ott. The hope was we could atleast start to build back to being a good team. That has mostly evaporated. 

Maybe if we hadn’t seen the same thing for two off seasons in a row. Like I said, i’d be thrilled if i’m wrong and walters/mos really turn over a new leaf. But I sure wouldn’t bet on it. If they do, I’ll happily eat some crow. 

35 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

If Walters sits on his hands under his fat ass & does nothing again in free agency, we're cooked. 

Probably be very busy resigning the guys who no one else wants to sign lol. I’m glad walters will be back running our draft. The canadian depth will likely be a bright spot for us next year. 

[Pete]

42 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

Except the past doesn’t dictate the future, and none of the rosters/staffs he got to above .500 with are walking in the door for next year. 

Would hiring buono instantly make us significantly better because his record is better all time? 

I dont know that we lose both, but I am sure we will lose some people we don’t want to. Maybe in more than one area as well. 

Im not sure about losing Demski or Olivera, after all how many were convinced that OShea and Walters would be back. I think its more about what happens with the OC position that effects Brady and what we are willing to pay.

[3rdand1.5]

Brady IMO is already an overpay.....he is a NI  star and a very very good RB, a hometown guy, a really likable guy that fricken saves dogs....but....

If someone else wants to outbid us for him, and build a roster around a NI RB, then honestly let them.....We can't afford to hurt the betterment of the overall roster...same way I felt about Ford last year minus the intangibles....but this year we need help along both lines and that doesn't come cheap....

 

[sportmentary2012]

2 hours ago, Noeller said:

He is absolutely not from Toronto... Winnipeg is actually more like his actual home town than Toronto is...

Semantics.  He played most of his pro career there and grew up 300 km away. I think you get my point that he chose to stay here over the team he played over 8 seasons for and coached.

[Jets]

Glass half full view is that maybe O'Shea having one foot halfway out the door this offseason is very positive for the next few season(s).  
If we had just quietly re-signed him and Walters to extensions, they probably just happily carry on with the status quo and continue the decline.  

I'm hoping that O'Shea going out and interviewing and getting some input from other teams lit a fire under his ass to come back here and do a serious re-load with a fresh outlook and new ideas.  

[Tracker]

2 hours ago, BBlink said:

I was at the point where I was fine either way. But now that Osh is back I hope he takes his own advice and learns from this past season. You can't just roll with the same guys forever. Vets are good, but they can't be the washed up, banged up, career is up kind. This offseason will be very telling.

O'Shea's track record offers much proof that he is unwilling or incapable of learning from his mistakes.

[Brandon]

39 minutes ago, 3rdand1.5 said:

Brady IMO is already an overpay.....he is a NI  star and a very very good RB, a hometown guy, a really likable guy that fricken saves dogs....but....

If someone else wants to outbid us for him, and build a roster around a NI RB, then honestly let them.....We can't afford to hurt the betterment of the overall roster...same way I felt about Ford last year minus the intangibles....but this year we need help along both lines and that doesn't come cheap....

 

MOP a year ago...  the whole offense falls completely when he isn't given the touches.   NI and local guy and in his prime.   You pay him top dollars no questions asked.   

If you need money maybe save on overspending on import guys who are injury prone (i.e. Schoen/Strev).  

[wbbfan]

1 hour ago, Pete said:

Im not sure about losing Demski or Olivera, after all how many were convinced that OShea and Walters would be back. I think its more about what happens with the OC position that effects Brady and what we are willing to pay.

Between the two I have a tough time seeing demski leaving. Brady I could see, i could see some one giving him an even crazier deal. I mean ford got a mint and he isn’t half the player or marketable asset brady is. 

 Oc is gonna be a key to our team, but im not expecting news any time soon. I think it’ll be late late when they say this is the staff and hogan is back 

43 minutes ago, 3rdand1.5 said:

Brady IMO is already an overpay.....he is a NI  star and a very very good RB, a hometown guy, a really likable guy that fricken saves dogs....but....

If someone else wants to outbid us for him, and build a roster around a NI RB, then honestly let them.....We can't afford to hurt the betterment of the overall roster...same way I felt about Ford last year minus the intangibles....but this year we need help along both lines and that doesn't come cheap....

 

He is. And so is demski. That’s the problem with giving a guy that young a crazy 1-2 year deal. how do you follow that up? 

The thing is, if we lose either guy we gotta do some thing big with that money. not split it up into 3 base deals on flyers like we did with lawler. 

16 minutes ago, Tracker said:

O'Shea's track record offers much proof that he is unwilling or incapable of learning from his mistakes.

facts 

[Pete]

9 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

Between the two I have a tough time seeing demski leaving. Brady I could see, i could see some one giving him an even crazier deal. I mean ford got a mint and he isn’t half the player or marketable asset brady is. 

 Oc is gonna be a key to our team, but im not expecting news any time soon. I think it’ll be late late when they say this is the staff and hogan is back 

He is. And so is demski. That’s the problem with giving a guy that young a crazy 1-2 year deal. how do you follow that up? 

The thing is, if we lose either guy we gotta do some thing big with that money. not split it up into 3 base deals on flyers like we did with lawler. 

facts 

Neither are overpays as thats what the market is for starting top cdns, just like Dobson,Ford, Mcinnis.robbie Smith etc.

For the most part we have been unwilling to go go there so we ended up losing both Dobson and Ford and unable to replace them adequately. We tried to get  "deals" which never happened

  

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Pete

[Booch]

risky move....and too much weight given to what he accomp0lished 5 yrs ago now...and since...we been regressing

Making playoffs is great....losing for inexcusable and easily preventable reasons is an issue....Osh wont change hu=is ways ....hasnt in 12 yrs.

People say he and Walters have earned the right to fix things....well why did they break it in first place?....and since 2021 have had 4 yrs now to "fix" it and if anything we got worse

Guess we have to wait and see and give benefit of doubt...Maybe Miller re-upped with the caveat you show a change...or you will be canned

The month of January will pretty much dictate the 2026 season with who some the first re-signings are....and if Walter's doesnt get on the podium and state that we are moving on from a whack of guys from the "glory days" half a decade ago now and we moving in a new direction...with that the announcement sooner than later that OC Guy is not coming back

but failing to do that....status quo with coaching and how we run camp/practices and award spots with nary a competition.....the early signing of Thomas types...can see a ZC extension as well....among other dumb moves....well 2026 gonna be more the same

I have little faith in Osh until he show's different...and if he does he will get my praise for it...I never dumped on him pre 2019...but since 2023 and the continuous blunders that lead to where we are....he has done nothing to get much praise as it got worse yr over yr...so not holding my breath

I do expect some guys we dont wanna see leave ....leave tho

9 minutes ago, Pete said:

Neither are overpays as thats what the market is for starting top cdns, just like Dobson,Ford, Mcinnis.robbie Smith etc.

For the most part we have been unwilling to go go there so we ended up losing both Dobson and Ford and unable to replace them adequately. We tried to get  "deals" which never happened

  

 

thing is....RB is a real poor place to have your marque salary in a Canadian where you can get the same or even better production from an import at 1/3 the cost....and who in the CFL pays anything close to what BO gets here?

We coulda payed Dobson...easily...but we tied whacks of money into guys Osh valued more....who were not worth it....it's how you allocate money...and where....not so much to who....RB....DB.....LB....Boundary receiver.

we have excessive money tied into RB...DB....LB....and it kills us elsewhere...

[17to85]

52 minutes ago, Brandon said:

If you need money maybe save on overspending on import guys who are injury prone (i.e. Schoen/Strev).  

Neither schoen nor streveler had that big of deals last season... whatever cap crunch the Bombers are in is coming from over paying middling Canadians or over the hill veterans.

[Mark H.]

1 hour ago, Booch said:

risky move....and too much weight given to what he accomp0lished 5 yrs ago now...and since...we been regressing

Making playoffs is great....losing for inexcusable and easily preventable reasons is an issue....Osh wont change hu=is ways ....hasnt in 12 yrs.

People say he and Walters have earned the right to fix things....well why did they break it in first place?....and since 2021 have had 4 yrs now to "fix" it and if anything we got worse

Guess we have to wait and see and give benefit of doubt...Maybe Miller re-upped with the caveat you show a change...or you will be canned

The month of January will pretty much dictate the 2026 season with who some the first re-signings are....and if Walter's doesnt get on the podium and state that we are moving on from a whack of guys from the "glory days" half a decade ago now and we moving in a new direction...with that the announcement sooner than later that OC Guy is not coming back

but failing to do that....status quo with coaching and how we run camp/practices and award spots with nary a competition.....the early signing of Thomas types...can see a ZC extension as well....among other dumb moves....well 2026 gonna be more the same

I have little faith in Osh until he show's different...and if he does he will get my praise for it...I never dumped on him pre 2019...but since 2023 and the continuous blunders that lead to where we are....he has done nothing to get much praise as it got worse yr over yr...so not holding my breath

I do expect some guys we dont wanna see leave ....leave tho

thing is....RB is a real poor place to have your marque salary in a Canadian where you can get the same or even better production from an import at 1/3 the cost....and who in the CFL pays anything close to what BO gets here?

We coulda payed Dobson...easily...but we tied whacks of money into guys Osh valued more....who were not worth it....it's how you allocate money...and where....not so much to who....RB....DB.....LB....Boundary receiver.

we have excessive money tied into RB...DB....LB....and it kills us elsewhere...

Beside the point. The BO contract is not the huge issue it gets made out to be. Other players are not earning their $$, but he certainly is.

[coach17]

MOS and Walters have their warts for sure. Neither is perfect and as others have said have not performed up to the standards the last couple of years which most of us expect. We probably lost 2 of the last 3 Grey Cups because of poor decisions they made. However having been around when we got rid of Murphy and Ritchie because their teams regressed after some excellent years, but were unable to replace them with competence for many years. I for one am glad we had the foresight to resign both and give them another term at the helm.