A message to Miller and Walters

[Goalie]

41 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

So when it's collaros it's everything else, but when it's streveler he just sucks right?

Well Zach has shown he can actually be a winning starting qb in the league. He took strevelers job even. I mean what has Streveler actually done besides have 1 good game in 5 years now. Streveler isn’t and never will be a starting QB in this league without injury. He’s proven he’s not good enough. Honestly take away the fur coat 5 6 years ago. What’s he done. Throw for 150 yards a game. With more picks than tds also.  Streveler has always been how he currently is but he used to be able to run ppl over, he can’t. Dude was never the pocket passer and at 31 32 he’s not going to be. A fully healthy Streveler who can still run has value, an injured one who can’t does not. 

Edited 3 hours ago by Goalie

[rebusrankin]

On the offense, OB mentioned that if you look at it by quarters, we really struggle in the third quarter. To me that shows an inability to make adjustments which is a huge mark against Hogan.

[17to85]

Just now, Goalie said:

Well Zach has shown he can actually be a winning starting qb in the league. He took strevelers job even. I mean what has Streveler actually done besides have 1 good game in 5 years now. Streveler isn’t and never will be a starting QB in this league without injury. He’s proven he’s not good enough. Honestly take away the fur coat 5 6 years ago. What’s he done. Throw for 150 yards a game. With more picks than tds also. 

Streveler 2-0... Zach below. 500... and did Zach actually take strevelers job in 2019? Streveler had the bum ankle and both guys split time in the playoffs run. 

Just funny how the guy making top dollar gets all kinds of excuses but the backup just sucks. 

[bryan35]

1 minute ago, 17to85 said:

Streveler 2-0... Zach below. 500... and did Zach actually take strevelers job in 2019? Streveler had the bum ankle and both guys split time in the playoffs run. 

Just funny how the guy making top dollar gets all kinds of excuses but the backup just sucks. 

2nd win by Strev was accomplished with 2 return td's and a D touchdown. Think Wilson would have won that game easily also..

[Tracker]

5 hours ago, Bigblue204 said:

Does "They're an OK team who has lost 3 of 4 to one of the best teams" now equal - "They're an elite team who will be a GC contender"?

Goalie didn't say they were Elite at all. They're ok. They have yet to play their best ball. The hair pulling and Blow everything up arm chair GMs are getting tiresome. They need changes, but they aren't as far off as some are making it seem. The next few weeks will really tell the tale of how this season will go. 

I'm afraid that they have already played the best they are capable of. What you see is what we have- a .500 team.

[Goalie]

5 minutes ago, Tracker said:

I'm afraid that they have already played the best they are capable of. What you see is what we have- a .500 team.

I don’t think so. The D is showing improvement already by adding a guy like Allen and person for that matter. The d is a woods away from prob being optimized. 
 

the o is a problem for sure but they are about 4th or 5th in points scored ahead of everyone in the west except Sask after their game. 3 east teams lead the way in points scored then it’s bombers by 14 over Sask (Sask has yet to play game 9) I mean we all know the O has been crap but its average right now in reality and really can only get better, it can’t get worse. The D has also struggled leading the league in giving up explosion plays, you’d think they get that under control soon because generally the D ain’t the problem here. 

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[Deiter Fan]

4 hours ago, bigg jay said:

Yeah, the trend is if your offensive gameplan is s**t, GTFO.

I may be out to lunch here but it seems to me, apart from some ridiculous decisions the last couple of games, our co-ordinators have come out with a decent enough game plan to get us a good lead by the half. Then the opposing co-ordinators, after having a 1/2 to size things up, make adjustments and come out in the second 1/2 and start chopping away at us...but our co-ordinators aren't able to keep up and make counter changes on the fly.

Granted it must be harder to make changes on the fly rather than having a half to notice tendencies...but it's something you have to be able to do if you want to be a pro co-ordinator. 

So...do they just need more time to grow into their rolls? Are they just not adjusting fast enough/at all? Are the players not able to implement the adjustments they make? 

Any of this making any sense?

[Bomber_fanaddict]

I think the decision to kick the FG at the end is based on percentages. Castillo is like 89% on FGs and almost 100% outside the 50. You take the high chance of scoring vs the 4% chance that gets returned. Normally a missed FG is stopped and ends up being the same as a punt anyways. Lots of factors go into that decision. Maybe we punt and it’s shanked out of bounds, we kick into the end zone for a point going up by 8 (still only a one score game) and they get the ball or it gets blocked. If we lost yesterday because of that missed FG that wouldn’t have been the only reason. We had chances earlier to kick a FG and didn’t losing out on points. 

[Bigblue204]

57 minutes ago, Tracker said:

I'm afraid that they have already played the best they are capable of. What you see is what we have- a .500 team.

Until they put together 4 qtrs of football I disagree.3

[bigg jay]

3 hours ago, bryan35 said:

Holes on the oline, horribly weak at receiver, hobbled back up qb for half the season. Whats the game plan? Fire the OC!

How does any of that excuse his play calling?  And it's not like other people haven't been getting s**t on for those things.

Walters has taken heat for the roster make-up, MOS has taken heat for our roster management and coaching decisions and Hogan is taking heat for play calling.  The blame is going to the proper people IMO- Buck got it last year because he is responsible for our backup QB being hobbled but yeah lets create a false narrative that it's all on the OC.

[rebusrankin]

1 hour ago, 17to85 said:

Streveler 2-0... Zach below. 500... and did Zach actually take strevelers job in 2019? Streveler had the bum ankle and both guys split time in the playoffs run. 

Just funny how the guy making top dollar gets all kinds of excuses but the backup just sucks. 

Zach started the final game and all three playoff games. Streveler rotated in but they really didn't split time. IMO, you're revising history.

[17to85]

27 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

Zach started the final game and all three playoff games. Streveler rotated in but they really didn't split time. IMO, you're revising history.

Not revising anything,  both guys got lots of playing tome6in 2019, and IMO we don't get past calgary if it's just Zach out there.

[rebusrankin]

21 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Not revising anything,  both guys got lots of playing tome6in 2019, and IMO we don't get past calgary if it's just Zach out there.

Yeah, you are. You're making it sound like it was a 1A, 1B situation or that Streveler was a co starter. In that run, Collaros was the QB and took the majority of reps with Streveler taking a change of pace, support role. He contributed and made some big plays, 39 yard run to make it 35-14 in the WSF and that TD to Harris in the Grey Cup. 

That said, the D and Andrew Harris were both more important factors.

[17to85]

19 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

That said, the D and Andrew Harris were both more important factors.

Absolutely they were. Which is why I always push back on the idea that collaros did anything special in that run. 

[ShyGuy]

2 hours ago, 17to85 said:

Streveler 2-0... Zach below. 500... and did Zach actually take strevelers job in 2019? Streveler had the bum ankle and both guys split time in the playoffs run. 

Just funny how the guy making top dollar gets all kinds of excuses but the backup just sucks. 

To be fair Streveler threw 3 picks in his second victory. I'm not sure how many games you are gonna win when your starter throws 3 picks and no TDs, so I really wouldn't chock that up to him too much.

People have been making all kinds of excuses for Streveler as well.  Throwing more INTs than TDs and having a 7.6 YPA isn't going to win you many football games. The only qualified starter that his YPA is better than is MBT and... yeah

[Booch]

18 minutes ago, ShyGuy said:

To be fair Streveler threw 3 picks in his second victory. I'm not sure how many games you are gonna win when your starter throws 3 picks and no TDs, so I really wouldn't chock that up to him too much.

People have been making all kinds of excuses for Streveler as well.  Throwing more INTs than TDs and having a 7.6 YPA isn't going to win you many football games. The only qualified starter that his YPA is better than is MBT and... yeah

last I looked ZC has thrown more picks than TD's as well....and if not for that one big game last yr would have in 2024....he ended up at 17-15

Streveler isnt at 100 percent so hard to judge him based on that as well as the mess the whole offence is right now....Sort of can say same with ZC but he has also been trending don since 2023 too, and really in all our playoff games since 2019....he really hasn't been the key cog as to why we won...has been average at very best right thru the 5 yrs, and can easily be said he was a significant reason for the losses tho

But I do chalk a lot of that up to piss poor rostering....coaching....and in-game decisions more than anything....so it's not all on ZC but his decline is real and thinking otherwise (hello Osh and some fans) is just sticking head in the sand

Is Strev the answer?...who knows....is ZC...who knows....but he isnt the future thats for sure....if anything we need to design a system to fit what we have, and in some ways what we dont have and also give Strev lots of use...try and develop some things suited to him and actually do some coaching, cause we gonna need him in some capacity this yr for sure, and looking at the QB landscape next yr is slim pickens for a savior...nobody is gonna trade us their starter...no rookie is gonna come in and be a bonafide starter, and salivating about some rando backup elsewhere who cant start where he is, isn't the best avenue either. So we likely need him next too....so start the actual process of putting in the work with him now

We know it's gonna be ZC here as we tied our wagon to him already, Strev deserves to be back totally healed from surgery to fight it out and hopefully both have actual legit weapons to work with, and a mind leading them to create something

  

[17to85]

42 minutes ago, ShyGuy said:

To be fair Streveler threw 3 picks in his second victory. I'm not sure how many games you are gonna win when your starter throws 3 picks and no TDs, so I really wouldn't chock that up to him too much.

People have been making all kinds of excuses for Streveler as well.  Throwing more INTs than TDs and having a 7.6 YPA isn't going to win you many football games. The only qualified starter that his YPA is better than is MBT and... yeah

Yeah and I've said both qbs have to deal with a pile of **** around them... all I'm doing is pointing out the hypocrisy of some people who simply write off streveler as sucking meanwhile do all sorts of excuse making for collaros when he is throwing too many picks (2 more last night let's not forget), getting sacked when he holds the ball too long, having long periods of offensive ineptitude etc etc etc.