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[Mark H.]

1 minute ago, Goalie said:

With healthy QBs yeah. But without. I’m not sure they are. Montreal sucks without Alexander. 

As would every other team. In fact, we might have the best siruation when it comes to that. The Strevy/BO combo can grind out some wins.

[Goalie]

Streveler hasn’t done anything in the cfl in 5 years. He can’t even convert 1 yard plunges anymore. 

[bearpants]

17 minutes ago, Goalie said:

Beat Montreal. Beat Sask b2b. 
 

8 and 4. Likely tied for 1st. 
 

they aren’t elite. Nobody is. Sask isn’t even. They have had the healthy QB tho. Bombers need some upgrades also. They aren’t elite but they appear to be better than some of you think. 

this is an optimistic outlook... maybe we can go in a beat Mtl's second team... winning LD is going to be nearly impossible... just hope we can get the split in the BB.... coming out of this next 3 game stretch at 7-5 is probably the best case scenario 

[Bigblue204]

1 minute ago, bearpants said:

this is an optimistic outlook... maybe we can go in a beat Mtl's second team... winning LD is going to be nearly impossible... just hope we can get the split in the BB.... coming out of this next 3 game stretch at 7-5 is probably the best case scenario 

I'm hoping they can keep labour day close. That would be ok. It's hard to win that game when you're an elite team, nevermind one that struggles to find it's identity. 

[Noeller]

Labour Day is always a **** show. Expect a loss every year and anything else is a bonus. 

[bryan35]

Fire Lapo. Get rid of Buck! Hogan needs to go. I see a trend on this forum.

[Pete]

Lost in this, this was a huge win, lose and we are tied with bc, also Ottawa pulls to within 1 game Putting the crossover in jeopardy (the forest for the trees)

Also some correctable mistakes which would have had us winning  by double digits,

The interception end of 1st half 3-7 points, the stuff on Streveler, the much discussed  2 and three sneak, the Randolph object Conduct.The two phantom pi calls The 57 yd fg attempt cost us 7 points as well

 

Edited 5 hours ago by Pete

[17to85]

21 minutes ago, Goalie said:

Streveler hasn’t done anything in the cfl in 5 years. He can’t even convert 1 yard plunges anymore. 

He is however 2-0 on the season

[bryan35]

25 minutes ago, Goalie said:

Streveler hasn’t done anything in the cfl in 5 years. He can’t even convert 1 yard plunges anymore. 

At this point I think Wilson is the better option on short yardage.

Edited 5 hours ago by bryan35

[Booch]

4 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

He is however 2-0 on the season

and up to last game was 13 outta 13 on them

Just now, bryan35 said:

At this point I think Wilson is the better option on short yardage.

yeah....I agree on that...takes away risk of injury to Strev....They still havnt learned how to properly use him....Even at not 100 percent yet there is so much more they could be doing with/for him

[rebusrankin]

21 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

He is however 2-0 on the season

True and he was good in the BC game and bad in the Toronto game.

[3rdand1.5]

I may be in the minority here, but from what I see...once Schmekle and Person were added for rotation on teh D-line, the overall play of the unit improved...optimistic Woods can add even another notch up.

Since we re-jigged our LB's I feel that they have been playing well, T Johns has surprised the heck outta me

Benching bridges and moving Parker away from safety also seemed to improve the secondary, Parker is hurt, Bonds is done, but I will say although a small sample size Allen and Vaval show great promise, and Lawson jr, from my eye test has been an improvement from Bridges.

In saying this, yes we still gave up an explosion play, and had a few slopy tackles, but.....I just have a feeling that this defence once a few guys settle in could become a really good unit

 

Or specials are great...finally

 

On offence though, I am not optimistic about, is it Hogan, is it the O-line, lack of receiver talent...is Brady more hurt then we know.....maybe, but many "questionable" calls...Some real work needs to be done with this unit

[bearpants]

1 minute ago, 3rdand1.5 said:

I may be in the minority here, but from what I see...once Schmekle and Person were added for rotation on teh D-line, the overall play of the unit improved...optimistic Woods can add even another notch up.

Since we re-jigged our LB's I feel that they have been playing well, T Johns has surprised the heck outta me

Benching bridges and moving Parker away from safety also seemed to improve the secondary, Parker is hurt, Bonds is done, but I will say although a small sample size Allen and Vaval show great promise, and Lawson jr, from my eye test has been an improvement from Bridges.

In saying this, yes we still gave up an explosion play, and had a few slopy tackles, but.....I just have a feeling that this defence once a few guys settle in could become a really good unit

 

Or specials are great...finally

 

On offence though, I am not optimistic about, is it Hogan, is it the O-line, lack of receiver talent...is Brady more hurt then we know.....maybe, but many "questionable" calls...Some real work needs to be done with this unit

Schmekel > Thomas... having them both out there is the biggest problem...

[bigg jay]

49 minutes ago, bryan35 said:

Fire Lapo. Get rid of Buck! Hogan needs to go. I see a trend on this forum.

Yeah, the trend is if your offensive gameplan is s**t, GTFO.

[wpgallday1960]

1 hour ago, Bigblue204 said:

Does "They're an OK team who has lost 3 of 4 to one of the best teams" now equal - "They're an elite team who will be a GC contender"?

Goalie didn't say they were Elite at all. They're ok. They have yet to play their best ball. The hair pulling and Blow everything up arm chair GMs are getting tiresome. They need changes, but they aren't as far off as some are making it seem. The next few weeks will really tell the tale of how this season will go. 

I agree Goalie didn’t say they were elite, that was just my editorial on the issue. They have a lot of improvement to make in order to play their best ball.  I’m not advocating for firings but the coaches need to improve their play selection and decisions in order to get the team to a contending level.

[TransconaBomberfan]

#8 Collaros is just not playing well and he does not play well in big games (Grey Cup)

Too many times with him at qb we go quarters with no points. Can't move the ball

He seems to target with whom he is comfortable with and no one else.

 

 

[blue85gold]

34 minutes ago, TransconaBomberfan said:

#8 Collaros is just not playing well and he does not play well in big games (Grey Cup)

Too many times with him at qb we go quarters with no points. Can't move the ball

He seems to target with whom he is comfortable with and no one else.

 

 

ZC played fine yesterday and wasn't the reason the O was stalling out. 

Take the series leading up the missed FG. 

First down, nice pass out to Sterns on first down for 7 yards.  Take Zach out and let Strev run into the D line for no gain. 

O line not opening up holes for Brady and Brady looking like he's playing hurt didn't help. 

[bryan35]

1 hour ago, bigg jay said:

Yeah, the trend is if your offensive gameplan is s**t, GTFO.

Holes on the oline, horribly weak at receiver, hobbled back up qb for half the season. Whats the game plan? Fire the OC!

[Booch]

1 hour ago, TransconaBomberfan said:

#8 Collaros is just not playing well and he does not play well in big games (Grey Cup)

Too many times with him at qb we go quarters with no points. Can't move the ball

He seems to target with whom he is comfortable with and no one else.

 

 

all for the bargain price of 600k+

40 minutes ago, blue85gold said:

ZC played fine yesterday and wasn't the reason the O was stalling out. 

Take the series leading up the missed FG. 

First down, nice pass out to Sterns on first down for 7 yards.  Take Zach out and let Strev run into the D line for no gain. 

O line not opening up holes for Brady and Brady looking like he's playing hurt didn't help. 

true....but these nice drives, and games are not the norm anymore.....or consistent even in game....thats the issue...what ZC we gonna get

[blue85gold]

11 minutes ago, Booch said:

all for the bargain price of 600k+

true....but these nice drives, and games are not the norm anymore.....or consistent even in game....thats the issue...what ZC we gonna get

Agree with that. For this year, he's the best chance we got

[rebusrankin]

Zach did have a clutch run to help set up the winning FG.

[Goalie]

Well is it ZC or is it the OC? I mean we all agree the O sucks, incredible that we can all agree on that. We all agreed the O wasn’t great last year either. It appears to me tho that hogan is running the same crap buck did last year. The stuff that didn’t work. When Zach was rolling out more the O flowed better (see first half).  He didn’t do that as much in quarters 3 and 4 if at all, there’s factors to that like what appeared to be constant pressure up the middle (hello kolo) and play calling which none of us really know what hogan called but when you going 2 and out for almost 2 straight quarters, safe to say it’s not just the QB or OL or Receivers or Brady. 

[Booch]

10 minutes ago, Goalie said:

Well is it ZC or is it the OC? I mean we all agree the O sucks, incredible that we can all agree on that. We all agreed the O wasn’t great last year either. It appears to me tho that hogan is running the same crap buck did last year. The stuff that didn’t work. When Zach was rolling out more the O flowed better (see first half).  He didn’t do that as much in quarters 3 and 4 if at all, there’s factors to that like what appeared to be constant pressure up the middle (hello kolo) and play calling which none of us really know what hogan called but when you going 2 and out for almost 2 straight quarters, safe to say it’s not just the QB or OL or Receivers or Brady. 

More OC and couple that with a weak reciever group and no idea how to best use what you have...we gonna be skuffling

I also don't think he knows how to scheme and run stuff to work off of later in a game to suck defences in...he almost does some stuff assbackwards too...and is an inexperienced and poor play caller...we've seen that in spades

And with ZC not what he used to be..but trying to fit an offence geared toward old ZC...without the skillset in his recievers that made that flourish...well there's another issue. 

Hopefully Jackson gets some authority here as he does know how to best use skill sets...and manage play calling better...but we have Osh who just thinks everything is ookie dookie and can't see issues...so we may be in tough with his blinders on

I think we have talent to be successful in the right scheme with ZC...and if we could get a legit game breaker...opens it up more...I just don't think we have the minds to accomplish it tho...at least not in this current configuration...that's my take/observation 

Edited 1 hour ago by Booch

[17to85]

16 minutes ago, Goalie said:

Well is it ZC or is it the OC? I mean we all agree the O sucks, incredible that we can all agree on that. We all agreed the O wasn’t great last year either. It appears to me tho that hogan is running the same crap buck did last year. The stuff that didn’t work. When Zach was rolling out more the O flowed better (see first half).  He didn’t do that as much in quarters 3 and 4 if at all, there’s factors to that like what appeared to be constant pressure up the middle (hello kolo) and play calling which none of us really know what hogan called but when you going 2 and out for almost 2 straight quarters, safe to say it’s not just the QB or OL or Receivers or Brady. 

So when it's collaros it's everything else, but when it's streveler he just sucks right?

[JohnnyAbonny]

35 minutes ago, Goalie said:

Well is it ZC or is it the OC? I mean we all agree the O sucks, incredible that we can all agree on that. We all agreed the O wasn’t great last year either. It appears to me tho that hogan is running the same crap buck did last year. The stuff that didn’t work. When Zach was rolling out more the O flowed better (see first half).  He didn’t do that as much in quarters 3 and 4 if at all, there’s factors to that like what appeared to be constant pressure up the middle (hello kolo) and play calling which none of us really know what hogan called but when you going 2 and out for almost 2 straight quarters, safe to say it’s not just the QB or OL or Receivers or Brady. 

They tried rolling him out in the 3rd and Ottawa just keyed right in on it.