3 stars plus HH every one but the O

[voodoochylde]

8 hours ago, johnzo said:

Concoran really struggled blocking tonight.  His man totally blew up a promising looking sweep play in the 1st half and then he got caught blocking towards his endzone and aborted a drive. 

Sheed is out of football, right? 

One reason why they brought him onto the roster in favour of Mitchell was because “he did the dirty stuff” and blocks on run plays.
 

My immediate reaction watching that and a number of other plays unfold was: Would help if he did that **** well.

[Goalie]

Everyone making Dillon Mitchell out to be some stud receiver is I think fooling themselves. His best season he had just over 700 yards. I mean. It’s not like he’s some stud. Honestly. Him and sterns have similar numbers in their career. 

[rebusrankin]

MOS on the pre game was talking about how Corcoran does all the dirty work well, how he's a hard worker etc and I kept thinking that's the MOS MO, Hard working, does the little things guy, talent doesn't always factor in see The Marine.

They also say they don't want to move Wheatfall, so can he only play 1 spot. Wheatfall has about 115 yards in the past 4 games so its not like he's lighting it up.

[Eternal optimist]

Wheatfall's struggles are married to ZC struggles... if you're a burner who runs deep, dont have much thrown to you when your QB can reliably throw 20 yards or under.

Also fun fact: We have not lost when Streveler is our starting QB this year 🤣

[bigg jay]

1 hour ago, Goalie said:

Everyone making Dillon Mitchell out to be some stud receiver is I think fooling themselves. His best season he had just over 700 yards. I mean. It’s not like he’s some stud. Honestly. Him and sterns have similar numbers in their career. 

He put up near that amount in only 9 games as a rookie.  The potential is (or at least was) there, he's just never gotten back to that level. Don't know if he'll ever get back to that but we certainly won't know if he doesn't get a chance.

[Mike]

1 hour ago, Goalie said:

Everyone making Dillon Mitchell out to be some stud receiver is I think fooling themselves. His best season he had just over 700 yards. I mean. It’s not like he’s some stud. Honestly. Him and sterns have similar numbers in their career. 

Then why did we pay him like a stud receiver? You keep missing that part of this equation.

I don’t think anyone here is clamouring for the use of Dillon Mitchell because we’re all long term members of his fan club. I think most of us are confused as to why we paid 150k annually to a guy who is turning out to be the 9th (at best) receiver on our depth chart.

[17to85]

1 hour ago, Goalie said:

Everyone making Dillon Mitchell out to be some stud receiver is I think fooling themselves. His best season he had just over 700 yards. I mean. It’s not like he’s some stud. Honestly. Him and sterns have similar numbers in their career. 

It's not that people think he’s a stud, it's that he's shown some potential and we signed him early in the offseason and our receivers blow. So we want to see what a guy like that can do.

[do or die]

Like:

Vaval...coaches patience well rewarded,  2TD returns probably the difference, tonight 

DL......the most disruptive game,  we have seen from this group

Streveler.......2 and 0 as the starting QB

No like:

Hogan........guy should be shipped off to a POW camp.  Stupid play call after stupid play call.

Bonds......useless, inept....... one man wrecking crew, for opposing teams... GET RID OF HIM!!

Receivers........bottom tier of this group, just not good enough.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[JuranBoldenRules]

1 hour ago, Goalie said:

Everyone making Dillon Mitchell out to be some stud receiver is I think fooling themselves. His best season he had just over 700 yards. I mean. It’s not like he’s some stud. Honestly. Him and sterns have similar numbers in their career. 

We're basically not dressing a full compliment of receivers right now but dressing Cooley to show the world he has no ability to catch kicks and nothing else....while we have a backup Canadian who can do that and more in street clothes on the sideline.

[Super Duper Negatron]

That one Bonds play still blows my mind. Bites hard and gets burnt, actually recovers because of a badly thrown ball but instead of looking for the ball decides Coxey needs to wear him as a necklace instead. Just awful football.

[Goalie]

Oh I don’t disagree. There’s obviously something going on there with Mitchell tho. Perhaps personality clashes. Why not release? I feel he will be without ever playing a snap. But prob cuz don’t want to admit they made a mistake. Are the receivers that bad or is it the play calling cuz Wheatfall and Demski have put up numbers. (In individual games) Sterns seems to be a consistent player. Streveler threw 1 pass over 20 yards and it was to Demski so the receivers numbers not gonna be great obviously. While I don’t think Streveler is the answer or Zach for that matter, it’s pretty obvious the OC has no clue.  And if you take emotions out of it, outside of 1 game vs Edmonton and 1 half vs BC, our QBs have sucked  

 

1. Willie -  best game in years but I think I’ll give Assists to Person Vaughters Adams Lawson also. 
 

2  Vaval- last time a bomber returned 2 kicks in a game was probably Janerion Grants debut probably 

3  Demski  our only threat on O really  

 

HH  Sheehan with another good game  

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Goalie

[CrazyCanuck89]

10 hours ago, 17to85 said:

Need a change on the interior of the OL. I dunno which one first but someone.... need some receivers other than Demski who can make a play. Stearns is OK but not a top 2 type guy. Need some play calls that work with what they have... so yeah there's problems on O. Mitchell sits for this? aye yi yi. 

Eli in at centre.

[Piggy 1]

1. Willy ,just a monster when hes utilized correctly.

2. D Line ,made Arbuckles life miserable.

3. Vaval. Kids legit.

HH. Demski. 

 

[17to85]

1 hour ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

We're basically not dressing a full compliment of receivers right now but dressing Cooley to show the world he has no ability to catch kicks and nothing else....while we have a backup Canadian who can do that and more in street clothes on the sideline.

Yeah i just don't understand why they would dress Cooley and never use him on offense and then go ahead and dress 3 Canadian receivers because reasons... if Mitchell is a guy they feel they can't play then drop him.and bring in some guys who might be able to do something useful on a roster that needs help offensively.  

Christ apologize to white and bring him back.

[Noeller]

Ya... Reggie White, Dillon Mitchell, Demski, Sterns.... At least on paper, that seems a hell of a lot better than what we're fielding. Tho I still think the OL needs to be fixed before we can properly judge the rest of it. 

[Stickem]

Vaval.................where was all of this return talent 5 games ago...Credit to the kid....looks like he's figuring it out

Jefferson...........could be the no 1 choice as well.....one heckuva game for Willie....nightmare for Arbuckle

Demski......just keeps on tickin' ....and ever ready

honourable mention to Jones who made a nice pic and lifted the D with his play

[wbbfan]

23 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Yeah i just don't understand why they would dress Cooley and never use him on offense and then go ahead and dress 3 Canadian receivers because reasons... if Mitchell is a guy they feel they can't play then drop him.and bring in some guys who might be able to do something useful on a roster that needs help offensively.  

Christ apologize to white and bring him back.

We also dressed Cobb not only to not use him on O, but chose to use Cooley as the 2nd kr instead of him. Just the best roster management possible. 

[Slimy Sculpin]

My 3 Stars (Champs):

1) Special Teams: the difference in the game, IMO. They're playing with more discipline now although that illegal formation penalty on Castillo's last FG could have been costly. Vaval is improving but has got to be reminded about protecting the ball (shift from one arm to the other as required). And, I like his smooth stride and sneaky good acceleration and speed. Although he shanked one, Sheehan is punting better. That's a couple of illegal kick-offs by Castillo this season. Still like his leg though. Although the difference last night, there is still room for improvement with STs. Oh yeah, what the heck was Cooley even doing on the roster?

2) The D-Line: They have dramatically improved since there have been more rotations. Jefferson looked like he was in his prime last night. And, where has Person been all this time. I watched Thomas closely when the cameras made it possible and I still don't get the coach's infatuation with him.

3) Nick Demski: The guy attempts to do it all and for the most part does. He's a gamer. He's even protecting the ball better this season. (He should have a little chat with Vaval.) However, being the go to guy, he's taking a pounding out there. Can he last the season?

My 3 No-Stars (Chumps):

Jason Hogan, Jason Hogan and Jason Hogan: If they haven't already, the offensive assistants should ask for a meeting with O'Shea. The TV took a verbal assault from me last night at some (most?) of his play calling. Aside from that stupid pass that was INT'd in the end zone, can anyone explain to me why on those plays where Streveler handed to Oliveira off-tackle, he stayed parallel to him instead of going wide. (One of the pxp guys commented that Streveler was throwing blocks for Oliveira on those plays. Really? Right, get another QB injured.) There was literally no option for Streveler to pull it and attempt to scoot around the end.

My Honourable Mentions: Sterns (good), Streveler (bad).

 

 

 

[wbbfan]

3 minutes ago, Stickem said:

Vaval.................where was all of this return talent 5 games ago...Credit to the kid....looks like he's figuring it out

Jefferson...........could be the no 1 choice as well.....one heckuva game for Willie....nightmare for Arbuckle

Demski......just keeps on tickin' ....and ever ready

honourable mention to Jones who made a nice pic and lifted the D with his play

Vaval has been among the league leaders in kr and pr average actually. Productivity hasn’t really been the issue. 

[Booch]

5 hours ago, blue85gold said:

Totally agree. Someone needs to tell Hogan his O sucks and he needs to use Mitchell

Funny part...well maybe not funny but Osh has said that "they feel" like he wouldn't be a good option there.. well a lot of his other feelings too have been poor judgement...maybe give him a shot...some guys just don't wow in practice

4 hours ago, voodoochylde said:

One reason why they brought him onto the roster in favour of Mitchell was because “he did the dirty stuff” and blocks on run plays.
 

My immediate reaction watching that and a number of other plays unfold was: Would help if he did that **** well.

Yeah just an Osh justification for his poor decisions...Corcoran is nice depth...and for teams...Mitchell offers way more...has proven it...and teams would have to respect him out there...Corcoran doesn't get that...heck prob Demski is only one currently who garners any...Sterns is a decent piece...if he was your 3rd import...even the extra guy...we in a bad spot offensively 

[Booch]

4 hours ago, Goalie said:

Everyone making Dillon Mitchell out to be some stud receiver is I think fooling themselves. His best season he had just over 700 yards. I mean. It’s not like he’s some stud. Honestly. Him and sterns have similar numbers in their career. 

On crap teams...he also put up over 600 in 9 games too...sterns has never broke 500...and was dropped off sask roster for suspect hands...

Regardless...right now they would both be on...so nobody besides Demski...and a bit by wheatfall and clercius has really established much of anything...let alone had success...pro coaches should be able to make any prospect work and fit into any system...and if they can't...or player can't...neither should be here 

1 hour ago, 17to85 said:

Yeah i just don't understand why they would dress Cooley and never use him on offense and then go ahead and dress 3 Canadian receivers because reasons... if Mitchell is a guy they feel they can't play then drop him.and bring in some guys who might be able to do something useful on a roster that needs help offensively.  

Christ apologize to white and bring him back.

Osh oshin...plain and simple...I've always said too he has a Canadian player bias even if not best option...and have seen that in spades in his time here...

 

45 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

We also dressed Cobb not only to not use him on O, but chose to use Cooley as the 2nd kr instead of him. Just the best roster management possible. 

He...Osh is a major part of the issue...he corrected some last game..but more needs to be corrected

Person is good example...I been saying since last yr he was prob one our best all around dl guys...Uber athletic..fast...also powerful...and his previous coaching/training has been top notch as his handskills and bend to get under guys is elite...2 games and hes immediately made WJ..Vaughters  and Adams seem better

Jones too...he played a lot of coverage in the flats and was always in the right drops...notice no free wheeling guys free gouging us through middle..reason for that...save for that bit in 3rd we were tight...coincidentally he wasn't used that drive

Griffin as well...huge upgrade in both coverage and tackling...Kramdi was such a weak spot there...and him and T.Jones together...doubly as bad...not sure if watching J.Jones helped T.Jones but that pick...his position on how he dropped was best thing he done here in 2 yrs...was perfect

If makonzo is back...with the jones' ...Griffin...Wilson...our 2 canadian rookies who need to be integrated..Kelly now as well, I hope when woods is ready he bumps Ayers off...as we basically have relegated him to ST only now...that would improve our front 7 rotation even more

[rebusrankin]

Ok, here's what I got: The Rand Corporation, in conjunction with the saucer people, under the supervision of the reverse vampires, are forcing the Bomber coaching staff to not roster Dillon Mitchell in a fiendish plot to sabotage the Blue Bombers offense. 

[Booch]

55 minutes ago, Slimy Sculpin said:

My 3 Stars (Champs):

1) Special Teams: the difference in the game, IMO. They're playing with more discipline now although that illegal formation penalty on Castillo's last FG could have been costly. Vaval is improving but has got to be reminded about protecting the ball (shift from one arm to the other as required). And, I like his smooth stride and sneaky good acceleration and speed. Although he shanked one, Sheehan is punting better. That's a couple of illegal kick-offs by Castillo this season. Still like his leg though. Although the difference last night, there is still room for improvement with STs. Oh yeah, what the heck was Cooley even doing on the roster?

2) The D-Line: They have dramatically improved since there have been more rotations. Jefferson looked like he was in his prime last night. And, where has Person been all this time. I watched Thomas closely when the cameras made it possible and I still don't get the coach's infatuation with him.

3) Nick Demski: The guy attempts to do it all and for the most part does. He's a gamer. He's even protecting the ball better this season. (He should have a little chat with Vaval.) However, being the go to guy, he's taking a pounding out there. Can he last the season?

My 3 No-Stars (Chumps):

Jason Hogan, Jason Hogan and Jason Hogan: If they haven't already, the offensive assistants should ask for a meeting with O'Shea. The TV took a verbal assault from me last night at some (most?) of his play calling. Aside from that stupid pass that was INT'd in the end zone, can anyone explain to me why on those plays where Streveler handed to Oliveira off-tackle, he stayed parallel to him instead of going wide. (One of the pxp guys commented that Streveler was throwing blocks for Oliveira on those plays. Really? Right, get another QB injured.) There was literally no option for Streveler to pull it and attempt to scoot around the end.

My Honourable Mentions: Sterns (good), Streveler (bad).

 

 

 

Been calling for Person to be added the minute we signed him...was shocked we actually got him to come up....with more play time hes gonna really start to impress more than he has...he allows WJ and Vaugters to now ball out...and those fronts with all 3 and Adams...caused havoc all night 

56 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

Vaval has been among the league leaders in kr and pr average actually. Productivity hasn’t really been the issue. 

He just had a 3 game spell of brain cramps...maybe he has worked through it...still raw but huge potential...

[Mark H.]

9 minutes ago, Booch said:

Been calling for Person to be added the minute we signed him...was shocked we actually got him to come up....with more play time hes gonna really start to impress more than he has...he allows WJ and Vaugters to now ball out...and those fronts with all 3 and Adams...caused havoc all night 

Great speed too. You've been going on about Person, and you were right.

[voodoochylde]

Look, I don’t care about Mitchell one way or another but when your starting receivers (even with injuries) are:  Demski, Clecius, Wheatfall, Sterns and Corcoran you’ve screwed up in how you’ve managed that position group.

Demski, by default, is your number one guy and as versatile as he is, he’s not THAT guy.  Excellent secondary receiver who can be exciting at times but that’s it and with nobody on the field capable of stepping up and forcing defenses to respect them, they take him away for the most part. Sure, he’ll bust the odd run or find a seam (and hopefully) the QB will take advantage of it but teams will gladly give up that if it means they can take away take away our bread and butter (Brady).