Argos at Bombers early chat

[Atomic]

22 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said:

Forecast still has air quality at 10 for game time....not looking good

I don't find the AQ forecasts to be very reliable. There is a decent wind blowing in from the south and it's already cleared up a bit compared to earlier this morning. I'm not too worried about it.

[Bigblue204]

10 minutes ago, Atomic said:

I don't find the AQ forecasts to be very reliable. There is a decent wind blowing in from the south and it's already cleared up a bit compared to earlier this morning. I'm not too worried about it.

I hope you're right. The forecast is often wrong when it gets past 6 hrs or it seems. I'm just being pessimistic. 

[wbbfan]

12 hours ago, Mark H. said:

I will admit that I thought the focus on O had shifted more to the passing game. I remember guys like Darvin Adams, Rasheed Bailey and Drew Wolitarski, doing tons of effective blocking downfield as receivers. I feel we are seeing less of that, but the numbers show that RB touches have not changed much. I actually find that to be quite odd.

I would say ZC goes deep more, while MN would throw more check downs - good thing he had a reliable RB and receivers willing to block.

As for Hogan being watered down Lapo, I think you're right and I find it confusing. Why would an experienced HC and veteran QB settle for mediocrity?

The level of effectiveness in our WRs' blocking has dropped drastically; that is an absolute fact. Adams and Bailey, Drew, even healthier Demski and Schoen did it at a level you seldom see from WRs. 

 I think you're really getting the crux of the issue with our offence, and imo offence in the cfl in general. I believe we made the decision to aim for familiarity, while being willing to settle for mediocrity. We didn't want to try and re invent the offence based around what zach can do now or what our wr room is good at now. We wanted to keep doing the same thing because its familiar. 

I think Zach is a huge part of that, too. I don't see in him the willingness to reinvent him self in order to extend his career or perform better as an offence. 

 

14 hours ago, Mark H. said:

Whoa, I would never have guessed that ZC8 is completing almost 70%. If he  could avoid other jerseys more often, he might get something going. 

The catch is, at a 7-yard average. In the CFL, it is hard to succeed with less than 9 yards per completion. Less than 8 is doomed territory. But when you aim shorter, you complete more. But then you get stuck in that phase of pass completion on 2nd down, short of the needed distance, then punting it away. Our production on first down has been so bad that even getting 8-9 would be tough. 

 

7 hours ago, Colin Unger said:

I would like to have seen Allen at safety. Now we back to starting 9 Canadians again.

I think the Ni approach is worth a look, I'd like to see kelly and the rooks get a little chance, then flip another spot for imp. But I would also like to see allen in game, I think that guy has tremendous potential. Woodbey was all over the field and very physical as well. 

[17to85]

5 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

I think Zach is a huge part of that, too. I don't see in him the willingness to reinvent him self in order to extend his career or perform better as an offence

Given his comments about his time in Saskatchewan and how much he hated the offense there I'd agree. He knows how to play one way and that's all he wants to do.

[Bigblue204]

https://map.purpleair.com/air-quality-standards-aqhi-plus?opt=%2F1%2Flp%2Fa10%2Fp604800%2FcC0#14.72/49.80577/-97.14515

[Mark H.]

30 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Given his comments about his time in Saskatchewan and how much he hated the offense there I'd agree. He knows how to play one way and that's all he wants to do.

Given his existing skill set at the time, his OC should have 100% tailored the game plan for him. We have seen results of that here.

[bryan35]

1 hour ago, Bigblue204 said:

https://map.purpleair.com/air-quality-standards-aqhi-plus?opt=%2F1%2Flp%2Fa10%2Fp604800%2FcC0#14.72/49.80577/-97.14515

12 and 13 yikes.

[blue85gold]

1 hour ago, Atomic said:

I don't find the AQ forecasts to be very reliable. There is a decent wind blowing in from the south and it's already cleared up a bit compared to earlier this morning. I'm not too worried about it.

Hope that wind keeps up and blows it out. 

Been a terrible week for air quality here.

[Bomberguy]

54 minutes ago, blue85gold said:

Hope that wind keeps up and blows it out. 

Been a terrible Summer for air quality here.

Fixed it for you.

[Booch]

3 hours ago, wbbfan said:

The level of effectiveness in our WRs' blocking has dropped drastically; that is an absolute fact. Adams and Bailey, Drew, even healthier Demski and Schoen did it at a level you seldom see from WRs. 

 I think you're really getting the crux of the issue with our offence, and imo offence in the cfl in general. I believe we made the decision to aim for familiarity, while being willing to settle for mediocrity. We didn't want to try and re invent the offence based around what zach can do now or what our wr room is good at now. We wanted to keep doing the same thing because its familiar. 

I think Zach is a huge part of that, too. I don't see in him the willingness to reinvent him self in order to extend his career or perform better as an offence. 

 

The catch is, at a 7-yard average. In the CFL, it is hard to succeed with less than 9 yards per completion. Less than 8 is doomed territory. But when you aim shorter, you complete more. But then you get stuck in that phase of pass completion on 2nd down, short of the needed distance, then punting it away. Our production on first down has been so bad that even getting 8-9 would be tough. 

 

I think the Ni approach is worth a look, I'd like to see kelly and the rooks get a little chance, then flip another spot for imp. But I would also like to see allen in game, I think that guy has tremendous potential. Woodbey was all over the field and very physical as well. 

Woodbey for a bigger guy is uber athletic....He's be more than capable repping at safety...SAM...Corner along with Will....need to get these guys like him and Allen into lineup for the litmus test

 

Edited 16 hours ago by Booch

[wbbfan]

30 minutes ago, Booch said:

Woodbey for a bigger guy is uber athletic....He's be more than capable repping at safety...SAN...Corner along with Will....need to get these guys like him and Allen into lineup for the litmus test

 

Yeah. He didn’t get much of a shot down south because he isn’t a freaky run jump tester, but he’s really quick and plays more than fast enough for S in the cfl. 
 He played really good ball at a high level in college but was still just scratching the surface of his potential. You can see a lot of his play is on instinct, hustle and grit. 
 He showed a real quick grasp of the game up here in camp and ps too imo. As much as we have nuance that guys get stuck on, the cfl is more tailored towards defensive guys who are instinctive like him. 
 I think he could also be a great fit at full time wil doing all the cover stuff, and at sam. 
Wil has been evolving and the likes of Chris jones thought it would become more of a second Sam, but really it’s more like a SS down south. Big enough to engage with linemen and toss any one smaller, but also able to run with and cover guys. 
 

We don’t need a lber lol or a rookie at sam, but I would love to see a big physical Safety that makes guy hear footsteps and look both ways before crossing the middle. 

[rebusrankin]

Its 12:20 and purple air has the air quality at a 9 at the stadium (which is down from the morning). Needs to be 7 or lower. Weather network has the city at 10+. Miller was on CJOB this morning with Hal Anderson and was asked. Basically said they have monitoring at the stadium, things were getting better but honestly imo came across as a ****.

[Goalie]

Crazy. My weather app says it is a 7 but I’m not in the south side. 

[wbbfan]

10 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

Its 12:20 and purple air has the air quality at a 9 at the stadium (which is down from the morning). Needs to be 7 or lower. Weather network has the city at 10+. Miller was on CJOB this morning with Hal Anderson and was asked. Basically said they have monitoring at the stadium, things were getting better but honestly imo came across as a ****.

Interesting, how'd he come across like an ass? Was he disregarding the importance of the smoke or something?

[blue85gold]

12 minutes ago, Goalie said:

Crazy. My weather app says it is a 7 but I’m not in the south side. 

My weather app is always lower than the Govt of Canada site for some reason. https://weather.gc.ca/airquality/pages/mbaq-001_e.html

Would think Apple weather would just pull from there but who knows.

[rebusrankin]

20 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

Interesting, how'd he come across like an ass? Was he disregarding the importance of the smoke or something?

Anderson asked him about the possibility of a delay tonight and when a potential announcement would be  or if there was a plan if it needed to be rescheduled, say the game being tomorrow. Miller came across as brusk in his answer about how they had monitoring for the air at the stadium, how things were getting better and how he wasn't going to even talk about a plan for a potential postponment. Anderson seemed taken aback and stated he was asking because they of course were being asked by listeners. To me, Miller came across as arrogant like he and the club were handling it, there was not going to be a delay and why are you asking me about this. As I said, my opinion, I thought his tone could have been less arrogant and why are you questioning me in nature and more positive and understanding considering its a valid concern many fans have and you know Miller is running a business.

[Stretch]

Wade Miller sounding arrogant? The devil you say.

[DTonOB]

In case you're curious the CFL told us they use the site AQmap.ca for their readings. It appears to draw from three different companies.

The Gate 4 and field sensors at the stadium are through PurpleAir (a poster above referenced them). Why the PurpleAir site and the AQmap site (drawing from PurpleAir) are giving drastically different readings...I can't explain.

https://aqmap.ca/aqmap/en/#13/49.7987/-97.1345/B31/L38/L40/L41

[Jets]

40 minutes ago, DTonOB said:

In case you're curious the CFL told us they use the site AQmap.ca for their readings. It appears to draw from three different companies.

The Gate 4 and field sensors at the stadium are through PurpleAir (a poster above referenced them). Why the PurpleAir site and the AQmap site (drawing from PurpleAir) are giving drastically different readings...I can't explain.

https://aqmap.ca/aqmap/en/#13/49.7987/-97.1345/B31/L38/L40/L41

Could just be AQmap doesn't poll PurpleAir API that frequently 

[SectionKBlackout]

Whatever sensor allows for the game I trust. **** this smoke.

[Goalie]

There a pretty good wind pushing the smoke south so who knows. I don’t find it as Smokey here as earlier. 

[JuranBoldenRules]

I err on the side of safety...but if you can't play on a day like today you may not play another game outdoors on the Prairies this summer.

[wbbfan]

4 hours ago, rebusrankin said:

Anderson asked him about the possibility of a delay tonight and when a potential announcement would be  or if there was a plan if it needed to be rescheduled, say the game being tomorrow. Miller came across as brusk in his answer about how they had monitoring for the air at the stadium, how things were getting better and how he wasn't going to even talk about a plan for a potential postponment. Anderson seemed taken aback and stated he was asking because they of course were being asked by listeners. To me, Miller came across as arrogant like he and the club were handling it, there was not going to be a delay and why are you asking me about this. As I said, my opinion, I thought his tone could have been less arrogant and why are you questioning me in nature and more positive and understanding considering its a valid concern many fans have and you know Miller is running a business.

Thanks for sharing 

[BaconNBigBlue]

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