BC SUCKS at Bombers GDT

[Mike]

44 minutes ago, Noeller said:

The thing is ... Virtually everyone in here is in agreement about how the roster is being deployed. If you're the only person saying "this is fine..." then maybe it's you...?

It’s really not even that bad, so I don’t get why people are whining about the criticism. 
 

Sterns/Mitchell/White is likely just preference. Corcoran being the backup receiver, who cares? That’s the nature of the CFL. Nobody would care about that if he was American. 
 

The defensive choices are what confuse me and always will. I don’t see a world where Jordan Younger loves the defensive lineup and wouldn’t change anything about it - he stresses versatility and we hardly have any on the DL. 

[Goalie]

4 minutes ago, Mike said:

It’s really not even that bad, so I don’t get why people are whining about the criticism. 
 

Sterns/Mitchell/White is likely just preference. Corcoran being the backup receiver, who cares? That’s the nature of the CFL. Nobody would care about that if he was American. 
 

The defensive choices are what confuse me and always will. I don’t see a world where Jordan Younger loves the defensive lineup and wouldn’t change anything about it - he stresses versatility and we hardly have any on the DL. 

I actually agree with this. I also think we all are smart enough bomber fans to realize O’Shea has his favourites and unfortunately some are still here, they even signed guys to new deals. They didn’t have to but they did. Wilson Jake etc were always gonna be game 1 players on an O’Shea coached team. 9 linebackers it’s actually 10 with Ayers dressed is wild stuff. No backup ends or anything. Willy and vaughters gonna play all game. It’s probably gonna be an issue. I don’t get the defensive choices myself unless the plan is like 3 DL or 2 DL or whatever at times and just make rourke have  to read a D I guess. I dunno. It’s odd. 

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[JuranBoldenRules]

2 hours ago, Mike said:

Maybe it’s because we’ve seen the same stubborn loyalty to veterans for a few seasons and some people would like to see the team adopt a slight shift in philosophy so that it could potentially lead to winning the Grey Cup, not just being in it.

8 rookies by my count.  Plus guys like Wheatfall, Bridges, Vanterpool and Randolph stepping in as starters.

I think in some ways people's biases toward what they think the biases of O'Shea are is colouring their view.

But for sure there's some guys on there vet for the sake of a vet because the DC trusts them.  Bryant and Neufeld scare the hell out of me.  They've been have trouble putting together more than 8-10 solid games a season the past couple years.  But they are building a team.  Not just slapping together the most impressive looking athletes and sending them onto the field.

This team has had a lot of changeover in the past couple seasons.  I'd argue they probably could have kept Lawler and Wolitarsky, and maybe that's what you're alluding to with the discussion about $$$. 

[johnzo]

The CFL as a whole really de-emphasized the pass rush in 2024.  Bombers rushed three on a ton of downs last year.  Maybe a reason why the DL looks thin?

 

 

[wbbfan]

50 minutes ago, blue85gold said:

I don't love the roster either but that is pretty much the reality of rosters in the CFL. They aren't big and you need to pick where you will have depth while also having the guys to play teams. 

To an extent that is a problem yes. I'd love to see AR expansion. But not to the degree we have it. 

 

46 minutes ago, Booch said:

I'm just waiting for us to win...and all the bootlickers say "see...Osh knows what he doing" when in actuality many of the roster decisions will have no impact whatsoever on the outcome, and we won in spite of not having our best roster...and will just allow the roster to continue on as such...much like a lot of the past 2..3 seasons....and seasons where we failed in the end.....Gonna say it again now....if we chole again...will be for much of the same reasons...havmt been wrong yet as have claimed it will bite us 4 yrs running now

And like Walby said the other day....if you lose when it counts in the bug dance...who cares about the stats and record of the yr....you failed

and dress best players available...regardless of nationality (when u can) or tenure in league or on team....we neglect that part a lot under osh....A lot of other teams ST guys tho can step in and play defence and offence....many of ours cant....well they can...but you dont want them to...as per the past 2 yrs playing hurt guys

Yeah probably. I think it's gonna be a tough close game. 

2 minutes ago, johnzo said:

The CFL as a whole really de-emphasized the pass rush in 2024.  Bombers rushed three on a ton of downs last year.  Maybe a reason why the DL looks thin?

 

 

They have, but even by those standards, our pass rush was bad last year. 

[rebusrankin]

To be positive, looking forward to seeing if Wheatfall takes another step this season, how Vanterpool and Randolph look on the oline, if Wallace can get some run on the oline and how Smith and Shay progress.

[JohnnyAbonny]

2 hours ago, ShyGuy said:

This is a big improvement on WR depth from last year where WR injuries meant that Streveler was out there playing WR

A kick in the ass is better than a kick in the junk I suppose 

[Doublezero]

Lots of unknowns. Bet you a Buck we win. Go Blue!

[BomberBall.]

17 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

To be positive, looking forward to seeing if Wheatfall takes another step this season, how Vanterpool and Randolph look on the oline, if Wallace can get some run on the oline and how Smith and Shay progress.

I’ll add Streveler to that list.  It’s kind of funny no one is really talking much about how Strev will look tonight.  He’s our backup QB, coming off a major injury.  I feel good about him and it seems most do, but it’s odd nonetheless.

[rebusrankin]

7 minutes ago, BomberBall. said:

I’ll add Streveler to that list.  It’s kind of funny no one is really talking much about how Strev will look tonight.  He’s our backup QB, coming off a major injury.  I feel good about him and it seems most do, but it’s odd nonetheless.

I am cautiously optomistic.

[Fatty Liver]

1 hour ago, wbbfan said:

We used all our roster flexibility to put every backup possible at LBer and DB. And to start 3 American ol. 

Maybe its a decent chance this doesn't end up biting us in the butt. But boy is it risky, especially for the game 1 roster.  Just 1 or 2 injuries for the game at positions other than DB/Lber would have us cooked. 

It's an O'Shea team so ST count big, those extra LB's are on the roster to help Mike Miller win his running street brawl.

[Brandon]

11 minutes ago, BomberBall. said:

I’ll add Streveler to that list.  It’s kind of funny no one is really talking much about how Strev will look tonight.  He’s our backup QB, coming off a major injury.  I feel good about him and it seems most do, but it’s odd nonetheless.

I just hope he plays QB and doesn't end up bull rushing much at all.      

[17to85]

37 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

To be positive, looking forward to seeing if Wheatfall takes another step this season, how Vanterpool and Randolph look on the oline, if Wallace can get some run on the oline and how Smith and Shay progress.

Wheatfall absolutely won a spot in the starting lineup in preseason. If he can take a step that's huge for the offense. 

[Booch]

1 hour ago, blue85gold said:

Hopefully big improvement there this year with Shay and Smith. 

Kelly and Makonzo once they are healthy too

yeah I agree....Those guys should be getting some defensive reps...and both should show well....Kelly missing hurts....and Makonzo would be huge....hopefully by mid summer both are back and we have some better options with our DA's

Hopefully tho we forego the 3 import oline as thats hurting us...especially if Neuf cant go as we could conceivably be playing a a rookie and 2 2nd yr guys...with a center that strugges at the best of times surrounded by vets....thats my concern...Strev could be running for his life tonight

[Arnold_Palmer]

9 minutes ago, BomberBall. said:

I’ll add Streveler to that list.  It’s kind of funny no one is really talking much about how Strev will look tonight.  He’s our backup QB, coming off a major injury.  I feel good about him and it seems most do, but it’s odd nonetheless.

From the interviews I’ve heard from our OC and O’Shea they believe Strev can run our regular offense. No gimmick plays, or deployed as a glorified running back. 

[Booch]

1 hour ago, Mike said:

It’s really not even that bad, so I don’t get why people are whining about the criticism. 
 

Sterns/Mitchell/White is likely just preference. Corcoran being the backup receiver, who cares? That’s the nature of the CFL. Nobody would care about that if he was American. 
 

The defensive choices are what confuse me and always will. I don’t see a world where Jordan Younger loves the defensive lineup and wouldn’t change anything about it - he stresses versatility and we hardly have any on the DL. 

I'm sure if he had sole decision making he'd go a different route in a few spots....

[Fatty Liver]

14 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Wheatfall absolutely won a spot in the starting lineup in preseason. If he can take a step that's huge for the offense. 

Not necessarily, notice how a lot of receivers shine in pre-season playing against bewildered DB's new to the CFL, having success against experienced DB's is a whole different matter, that takes grit.  We'll see if he continues to shine or fades to invisible, he has an advantage tonight as unlikely Strev ignores him as Zach might choose to do.

[Booch]

1 hour ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

8 rookies by my count.  Plus guys like Wheatfall, Bridges, Vanterpool and Randolph stepping in as starters.

I think in some ways people's biases toward what they think the biases of O'Shea are is colouring their view.

But for sure there's some guys on there vet for the sake of a vet because the DC trusts them.  Bryant and Neufeld scare the hell out of me.  They've been have trouble putting together more than 8-10 solid games a season the past couple years.  But they are building a team.  Not just slapping together the most impressive looking athletes and sending them onto the field.

This team has had a lot of changeover in the past couple seasons.  I'd argue they probably could have kept Lawler and Wolitarsky, and maybe that's what you're alluding to with the discussion about $$$. 

8 rookies...sure...every team has that yr in and yr out on bottom end of roster.....but as for starters...or rotational depth....different story all together

We do have some rookies tho on defence who can actually prob contribute on the defensive side....but will they get the chance?

1 hour ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

8 rookies by my count.  Plus guys like Wheatfall, Bridges, Vanterpool and Randolph stepping in as starters.

I think in some ways people's biases toward what they think the biases of O'Shea are is colouring their view.

But for sure there's some guys on there vet for the sake of a vet because the DC trusts them.  Bryant and Neufeld scare the hell out of me.  They've been have trouble putting together more than 8-10 solid games a season the past couple years.  But they are building a team.  Not just slapping together the most impressive looking athletes and sending them onto the field.

This team has had a lot of changeover in the past couple seasons.  I'd argue they probably could have kept Lawler and Wolitarsky, and maybe that's what you're alluding to with the discussion about $$$. 

Other than the heat stroke/virus Bryant has been an Iron Man...not sure what you talking about there...and when he came back from that was as solid as ever

 

[JuranBoldenRules]

6 minutes ago, Booch said:

8 rookies...sure...every team has that yr in and yr out on bottom end of roster.....but as for starters...or rotational depth....different story all together

We do have some rookies tho on defence who can actually prob contribute on the defensive side....but will they get the chance?

Other than the heat stroke/virus Bryant has been an Iron Man...not sure what you talking about there...and when he came back from that was as solid as ever

 

Iron man sure.  Level of play is my concern.  And it's been gradually dropping since 2022 IMO.  Which means he's still a good player, but eventually won't be good enough.  We've basically lost the past three Grey Cups because we couldn't pass protect well enough to score more than a couple TD's.  Yeah D could have made the big play in the close ones, but we could also score a hell of a lot more.

We have 11-12 starters who have changed over since the 23 Grey Cup.  22 different players on the game roster.  There has been a lot of turnover, whether it fits the narrative or not. 

And I 100% agree that there could have been more or different guys kept, let walk.

[JuranBoldenRules]

2 hours ago, Mike said:

It’s really not even that bad, so I don’t get why people are whining about the criticism. 
 

Sterns/Mitchell/White is likely just preference. Corcoran being the backup receiver, who cares? That’s the nature of the CFL. Nobody would care about that if he was American. 
 

The defensive choices are what confuse me and always will. I don’t see a world where Jordan Younger loves the defensive lineup and wouldn’t change anything about it - he stresses versatility and we hardly have any on the DL. 

If Younger is complaining I can't imagine Hogan is pumped about having Corcoran, Chris-Ike and Peterson as the only depth players on his chart.  Literally all guys who have never or barely taken any snaps on O in the CFL.  Demski or Schoen have a bad sneeze in the warmup and they are in for the whole game.

Seems to me this roster is really built around Younger's scheme and who Mike Miller wants on for kick cover.

[17to85]

46 minutes ago, Fatty Liver said:

Not necessarily, notice how a lot of receivers shine in pre-season playing against bewildered DB's new to the CFL, having success against experienced DB's is a whole different matter, that takes grit.  We'll see if he continues to shine or fades to invisible, he has an advantage tonight as unlikely Strev ignores him as Zach might choose to do.

Dude made plays when given the chance, what more can you expect? More than a lotnof receivers did this camp so yeah, he earned his starting spot. Keeping it is now up to him in the regular season.

[Stickem]

Could be a close encounter of the worst kind tonight....Leo's coming in with little prep time always scares the hell out of me....We'll see what we're made of in what will be a tight one ...Lots of question marks and hope we're on the right track with some of the changes ???we shall see 

Edited 20 hours ago by Stickem

[Fatty Liver]

6 minutes ago, Stickem said:

Could be a close encounter of the worst kind tonight....Leo's coming in with little prep time always scares the hell out of me....We'll see what we're made of in what will be a tight one ...Lots of question marks and hope we're on the right track with some of the changes ???we shall see 

The Lions shocked the Bombers with an early season win last season and a butt kicking the year before, both games in Wpg.

[3rdand1.5]

Stayed out of the roster discussion as it has been discussed to death........but trying to find a silver lining...our special teams coverage and return was poor last year....looking at the talent and the 100 LB's we have we better have great special teams play especially coverage.  

 

Ayers to DE....hmmmm, dude looks to be able to play...but DE...heck maybe Younger has a formation look that fit's a guy like Ayers to a T and we all look back on it and go....that was awesome....no idea it does seem odd but I am happy Ayers is on the active

 

Don't worry all we are going to hear about is Rourke, Rourke, Rourke, Rourke, Rourke, Rourke, Rourke, Betts, Betts, Rourke, Rourke.........Probably a side note of Buck vs. Osh, a half side note of Zach is suspended....and then back to Rourke, Rourke, Rourke.......

 

Personally, I don't care who we dress or how we do it but for the love of all things Media, please shut Rourke down, and please don't let Strev be sacked by Betts......

 

I would love to see Mr. aggressive Betts bite a few RPO.......Ford made Betts look like a fast fool in the first game...

 

I would love to see use confuse Rourke, and nothing would make me happier than a time count or two on him, due to our crowd.........

[Bigblue204]

14 minutes ago, Stickem said:

Could be a close encounter of the worst kind tonight....Leo's coming in with little prep time always scares the hell out of me....We'll see what we're made of in what will be a tight one ...Lots of question marks and hope we're on the right track with some of the changes ???we shall see 

They don't have much of an idea around the Offense though. Rookie OC with new weapons at his disposal. WPG has been able to watch what BC did last week and know what Buck likes to do better than anyone. Just need to stay away from turnovers.