Blue Bombers - 2025 Regular Season - Discussion Thread

[Blue In BC]

18 hours ago, Booch said:

Looking at our PR....there is probably 6 guys on it who are better and would offer more than what we rostered last game,,,,and we wonder why oir depth seems so shitty and our main guys at times appear to be gassed

If some those main guys were now back-ups, or in rotation and some the dead weight was not rostered...we'd be a helluva lot better

We sat Woods, Adams, J.Jones, Houston, Peterson, Echols 

I'm sure dumping some of or all of Logan, Cobb, Thomas, Lawson Jr. Ayers, Ball, Weitz for those guys would have not hurt us...likely made us immensely better, deeper....

I'd keep Lawson but would get rid of the others you mentioned. Getting rid of Thomas is an issue now due to ratio, so that's a different question or thought.

Before last week I would have kept J. Jones before Ayers. Now Woodbey is added into the mix. He looked good in his 1st game.

In case you missed it we re-signed global LB Oyelola after a few years in the NFL. Does he immediately replace Weitz who I wondered why we kept in the 1s place. 

[bigg jay]

2 minutes ago, bearpants said:

 

Calgary completely bottomed out... to suggest they weren't forced to make wholesale changes is revisionist.... Hopefully the Bombers can and do make major changes before the bottom falls out, like it did in Calgary

Other teams have bottomed out and haven't done a mass overhaul like what was done in Calgary (when is the last time another team went with 12 new starters on D?) so yeah it was a choice on their end to a certain extent.  Forced to make changes - yes.  Forced to completely revamp their team - no, they chose to go that extreme and (so far) it's working for them. It flies in the face of MOS & Walters saying you can only make so many changes at one time.

I honestly have not seen anything from MOS that gives me confidence that he'll make necessary changes unless he's forced to.  

[Booch]

1 hour ago, Blue In BC said:

I'd keep Lawson but would get rid of the others you mentioned. Getting rid of Thomas is an issue now due to ratio, so that's a different question or thought.

Before last week I would have kept J. Jones before Ayers. Now Woodbey is added into the mix. He looked good in his 1st game.

In case you missed it we re-signed global LB Oyelola after a few years in the NFL. Does he immediately replace Weitz who I wondered why we kept in the 1s place. 

We don't need Thomas for ratio

1 hour ago, bigg jay said:

Other teams have bottomed out and haven't done a mass overhaul like what was done in Calgary (when is the last time another team went with 12 new starters on D?) so yeah it was a choice on their end to a certain extent.  Forced to make changes - yes.  Forced to completely revamp their team - no, they chose to go that extreme and (so far) it's working for them. It flies in the face of MOS & Walters saying you can only make so many changes at one time.

I honestly have not seen anything from MOS that gives me confidence that he'll make necessary changes unless he's forced to.  

Yeah Walter's and osh full of **** trying to justify their plan

And your right...zero faith...and even if he wanted to...doubt he even knows how or where to start with

Can't rid ourselves of this set up soon enough...12 yrs...long time and they've ran their course

[Blue In BC]

9 minutes ago, Booch said:

We don't need Thomas for ratio

Yeah Walter's and osh full of **** trying to justify their plan

And your right...zero faith...and even if he wanted to...doubt he even knows how or where to start with

Can't rid ourselves of this set up soon enough...12 yrs...long time and they've ran their course

I suppose that is true but after losing Schmekel we'd be down to just Lawson and Woods or Adams if Thomas is removed now.  I don't think we'd add 2 import DT's but anything is possible. I noticed that Kornelson was added to the AR not the PR. That could change but I'm not expecting an import DT this week.

 

Kramdi was practising so that's good news and allows other possible changes.

 

 

Edited 9 hours ago by Blue In BC

[GCn20]

3 hours ago, Booch said:

Well really...whats in ontario? Draft prospects...not legit free agents with pro experience or NFL looks kicking around...I agree on that tho...he looks at cis guys there

And stand pat on the notion that osh for some of his good qualities is a shitty evaluator of actual talent or upside...and or values the wrong things over true talent at times

What true talent has he let go that you are aware of? And don't bring me ham and eggers like Fox or Garbutt. They are low end rotational guys at best and keeping Woods and Adams over them is actually probably a proper talent evaluation. You say he is releasing all this talent. I say that's your opinion based on nothing really. Prove me wrong. Give me the list of all stars that MOS released. I'll wait.

Look, I'm not going to sit here and defend MOS roster use. It's problematic. However, anyone trying to suggest that our lack of talent and failure to retain talent is on MOS is letting Walters off the hook way too easy. There is literally no one we have released that has done anything of note elsewhere. We have lost a ton of impact guys in FA, that is 100% on the GM. Kenny Lawler could easily have been signed and we would still be under the cap. I won't count Dobson because I believe he is grossly over rated, but he was still a loss because he wasn't adequately replaced. Again that's on the GM. Yoshi gone and replaced with a player not remotely as good. That's on the GM. The list goes on and on of guys we could have kept but our GM felt like lowballing them. At the end of the day he let Lawler walk and signed scrap heap to replace him, he let Dobson and Ford walk...that's two all star NATs out of 7 starters. These are things the GM just can't let happen. And don't give me this MOS might have said we good baloney. That's complete garbage. MOS like any other HC in the history of football has never advised his GM to let proven talent walk out the door. When guys like that leave it's for the benjamins and we've heard how many stories of our proven talent not even getting a phone call from Walters until it's too late. Janarion Grant waited all offseason for a phone call that never came before going to Toronto and he was asking for peanuts.

Edited 8 hours ago by GCn20

[17to85]

Your argument is bad and you should feel bad. 

[Booch]

when yu never keep a new guy over an older one who has in been in decline for yrs...you will never know

And dont use argument that nobody else picked up a TC cut, as they invested time and money in their own players and cuts...thats a good way to lose scouting staff...Cyril Penn being a good example...

Over the last bunch of TC's we have had guys out perform vets of varying tenure...an vets who didnt even participate in camp only to let em go and use the guys we keep clinging too

Even this yr...we actually kept a few....but they never got on roster, but were clearly better and showed upside...many "non-football" background people on the site could even see it....and when they did get on...low and behld they were better

And sitting on the PR for 4 to 6 games didnt develop them and all of a sudden make them better, if anything...slowed their progress

We see this here every yr, and if not for injury giys dont lose a job here if theybeen with osh more than 2 yr

[rebusrankin]

Pearson sat the first 3 games, then got in and looked good. Allen sat for what 8 games and then gets in a looks good. Woodby 10 games and then the same thing. That's three young guys who sat to start the year and when they got in contributed and played well enough to make you say, "Why was he sitting out?" That's on MOS.

Letting talent walk, thats on KW.

Its not one or the other, it is both.

[Booch]

48 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

Pearson sat the first 3 games, then got in and looked good. Allen sat for what 8 games and then gets in a looks good. Woodby 10 games and then the same thing. That's three young guys who sat to start the year and when they got in contributed and played well enough to make you say, "Why was he sitting out?" That's on MOS.

Letting talent walk, thats on KW.

Its not one or the other, it is both.

same with game J Jones was in and got a ton of work on defence...was one our best defensive games...Coincided as well with the Griffin bumping Kramdi out off SAM....J.Jones presence made T.Jones game improve too....and he has been more lost in space and over pursuing things again since J.Jones was taken out, and our defence hasnt been as good since....coincidence....??

Osh is not good at talent evaluation and use of talent to full effectiveness....pretty apparent

Edited 6 hours ago by Booch