All in all...another disappointment, and there are several reasons for it again...constants if you may call them that and really easily solved...and many won't like hearing this and will blindly disagree, but it's easily fixed if Osh would pull his head partly out his arse. The onus this off-season is on Walters and his team to sign and bring in the talent...and also part ways with some guys...even if the coach disagrees. I cannot see Miller being happy, nor he wanting a major bedshitting at home next yr in the Cup...let alone not even getting to the Cup... 

Thru necessity and not choice we have had to get younger and thats a plus...there are some solid pieces here now to go with keeping the right vets...and thats they key part of it...right vets. And by vet i mean a guy who's been here this yr and before

Lawler and Schoen..Strev...Wilson...Clercius...BO...Demski...Woli ..MCI...Wallace....Bryant...Randolph...Eli......WJ...Nichols...Bonds...Ford...Holm...Griffin...Kramdi...Kelly...Cole...Garbutt....Woods....Adams...Lawson...was on fence with Haba but he stepped up so deserves another shot......Ayers...Hubert..,,Samson...Chris Smith deserves another shot....Person....Qb Wilson....Hubert deserves another camp....I'd love to see Notree back....thats the core we need to focus on retaining....fill in around that...everyone not mentioned who wasn't primarily a ST guy should not be back...and saves up some serious SMS bucks...and makes us younger...hungrier....better

On the fence with ZC and his hefty contract....he will be another yr older and do we want another season of stats only to stumble in play-offs? It seems to be the trend and not a one off....

We have the guys to maintain a core like we seem to like to do...but a younger core....and we need to go that route...and this is totally up to our HC now to do the right thing(s) 

We are set up for continued sustained success....but we need to bring the right players along for it...We need a stud interior dlineman to augment what we have...we need a legit difference maker linebacker...we need a real returner....we need another proven Canadian offensive lineman...we need a real punter....I see 5 dire needs...which isn't a lot in the grand scheme....and the biggest thing we need to do is construct the roster and the PR aa an entity that compliments and covers it....no more carrying wasted spots....or guys all yr that will never bump anyone off...we seem to do that a lot too

And the biggest key...we need to dress and play the best players we have...regardless of birth certificate and or position...and if that means moving pieces around and switching ratio spots...so be it

Edited November 18, 20241 yr by Booch

20 minutes ago, Noeller said:

It absolutely was not a false flag. We dominated the west last year. It was just Toronto and Montreal we had a ton of trouble with. 

Making us the 3rd best team in the league. 

1 hour ago, TBURGESS said:

Making us the 3rd best team in the league. 

Whatever it takes to spin it negative...

On 2024-12-16 at 4:41 AM, SpeedFlex27 said:

i really don't care about other teams. I care about the Bombers. Am I supposed to be impressed by this? That Dinwiddie followed O'Shea's roster decisions by playing more Canadians than he could have? Not really. I didn't see a Canadian starter on the Argos even remotely close to the ineffectiveness of Jake Thomas. The Argos roster of Canadians were better than ours. It gave them flexibility. Our starting Canadians (in certain positions) hurt us. 

“I really don’t care about other teams, I just talk about them and then when someone corrects my false statement I get an attitude about it” lol 

1 hour ago, Noeller said:

It absolutely was not a false flag. We dominated the west last year. It was just Toronto and Montreal we had a ton of trouble with. 

Last season the West looked more like the East Division than the East Division.

 

Definitely some prospects for 25' in that bunch....I hope we're bringing a few of them in to kick their tires....orrrr something else...Instead of a cup of coffee, they'll probably require a glass of bubbly on their quick exit....Walters has to be on it.....or something

4 hours ago, Mike said:

“I really don’t care about other teams, I just talk about them and then when someone corrects my false statement I get an attitude about it” lol 

Now look what you've done. You got Noeller to crawl out of the weeds.

 

Edited December 30, 20241 yr by SpeedFlex27

10 hours ago, TBURGESS said:

We were the 3rd best team in the league last year. We were only in the cup because the top 2 were in the same division. 

Nailed it. And honestly we wouldn’t have done any better vs the ALs. 

Bombers 7 and 3 vs the west. 8 if you include the west final. 
 

Als 6 and 2 vs division 

Argos like everyone else except Sask who was 5 and 5 vs the division under 500 vs division. 
 

bombers D best in the league  # 1 in points against by 40 points really. #2 Montreal gave up 40 more points  than Winnipeg  

Bombers O sucked tho .we all should know that by now  but scored 1 less point than Montreal’s O did in the regular season  

 

the 2 best teams were Montreal and Winnipeg tho in most categories  

 

Pretty surprising to see how the East fared against the West in 2024: Tor 7-3-0, Mtl 6-3-1, Ott 6-3-1, Ham 3-7-0. Overall East was 22-16-2 against West. Head to head, Tor was 2-0 vs. Wpg, 2-0 vs. B.C., 1-1 vs the other three (including meaningless loss to Edm in wk 21). 

Toronto had trouble with the non-playoff teams (0-3 vs Ham, 1-1 vs both Cal and Edm) but was 8-3 against playoff teams.

 

Edited December 31, 20241 yr by pw13

11 hours ago, Goalie said:

Bombers 7 and 3 vs the west. 8 if you include the west final. 
 

Als 6 and 2 vs division 

Argos like everyone else except Sask who was 5 and 5 vs the division under 500 vs division. 
 

bombers D best in the league  # 1 in points against by 40 points really. #2 Montreal gave up 40 more points  than Winnipeg  

Bombers O sucked tho .we all should know that by now  but scored 1 less point than Montreal’s O did in the regular season  

 

the 2 best teams were Montreal and Winnipeg tho in most categories  

 

This is a case that illustrates stats don't tell the whole story, can't convince me the Bomber D was physically better than the Argos D, which could be due entirely to their superior D-line play.

18 minutes ago, Fatty Liver said:

This is a case that illustrates stats don't tell the whole story, can't convince me the Bomber D was physically better than the Argos D, which could be due entirely to their superior D-line play.

Totally. The Argos D completely took over in the playoffs. How many turnovers did they create? How many TDs did they score? It was nuts

The past couple pages of this thread really showcase the revisionist history of a lost Grey Cup (which I understand people are still upset about...) but man... After the West Final, having lost, like, 1 of our last 12 or something (??), there was a real sense that we were dominant and going to crush whoever we played in the GC.

Edited December 31, 20241 yr by Noeller

28 minutes ago, Noeller said:

The past couple pages of this thread really showcase the revisionist history of a lost Grey Cup (which I understand people are still upset about...) but man... After the West Final, having lost, like, 1 of our last 12 or something (??), there was a real sense that we were dominant and going to crush whoever we played in the GC.

I never felt that way....was just more of a glossing over of the issues with some wins....but the issues were still there and ready to bite...and chomp chomp is exactly what happened...we were basically a team getting by with 1/3rd of the units (defence) being dominant...the other 2 were middling at best and severely out coached....but we slithered into the playoffs and grey cup...and the status quo was deemed good enough...and it wasn't....that was my take going into the last 3rd of season and play-offs and was pretty accurate...and to be honest it's a good thing we played a team with a brain dead HC leading them in the WF....

21 hours ago, Stickem said:

Definitely some prospects for 25' in that bunch....I hope we're bringing a few of them in to kick their tires....orrrr something else...Instead of a cup of coffee, they'll probably require a glass of bubbly on their quick exit....Walters has to be on it.....or something

Vivian Smith-Smythe-Smith was in the Guards ... this year's Damian Jackson?

1 hour ago, Booch said:

I never felt that way....was just more of a glossing over of the issues with some wins....but the issues were still there and ready to bite...and chomp chomp is exactly what happened...we were basically a team getting by with 1/3rd of the units (defence) being dominant...the other 2 were middling at best and severely out coached....but we slithered into the playoffs and grey cup...and the status quo was deemed good enough...and it wasn't....that was my take going into the last 3rd of season and play-offs and was pretty accurate...and to be honest it's a good thing we played a team with a brain dead HC leading them in the WF....

Last season I didn't feel like our team was ever dominant.   Even when we were struggling in the previous seasons we still had guys who could create turnovers and where the team could put away others with grinding them down on O.   Last year we didn't have big play makers showing up game in and game out (Brady being the exception).

Edited December 31, 20241 yr by Brandon

1 hour ago, Fatty Liver said:

This is a case that illustrates stats don't tell the whole story, can't convince me the Bomber D was physically better than the Argos D, which could be due entirely to their superior D-line play.

Bombers D was ******* good. Even in the grey cup,  but the reality is that you still need an offense to do their share in the CFL to have a hope. 

Team of Destiny perhaps going into the Grey Cup but dominant, no.

28 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Bombers D was ******* good. Even in the grey cup,  but the reality is that you still need an offense to do their share in the CFL to have a hope. 

The offence looked great against Sask. and Edm., not so good against the Argos though.  During that 8 game winning streak they beat the Riders, Lions, Elks and Ti-Cats twice  each but it was bookended by losses to the Argos.

1 hour ago, 17to85 said:

Bombers D was ******* good. Even in the grey cup,  but the reality is that you still need an offense to do their share in the CFL to have a hope. 

1988 Sean Salisbury says "hold my beer"...

              

 

                                      

2 hours ago, Fatty Liver said:

The offence looked great against Sask. and Edm., not so good against the Argos though.  During that 8 game winning streak they beat the Riders, Lions, Elks and Ti-Cats twice  each but it was bookended by losses to the Argos.

Like I said, you need an offense to do their share. That first argos game, the offense fumbled a bunch in scoring range and had that dodgey third down spot... and the defense was still good enough in that game it took an error the cfl had to admit to for the argos to score enough to win. 

For the amount of money spent on offense last season their performance throughout the season was nowhere near good enough.

Do ppl forget scoring 20 points was pretty common for the o this year. Weren’t they averaging under 20 even at some point. D was the only reason we made it to the cup final. 

I'll fight that Dalton Schoen changes a LOT about our offense in 2024....

10 minutes ago, Noeller said:

I'll fight that Dalton Schoen changes a LOT about our offense in 2024....

is he under contract?

On 2024-12-31 at 9:31 AM, Fatty Liver said:

This is a case that illustrates stats don't tell the whole story, can't convince me the Bomber D was physically better than the Argos D, which could be due entirely to their superior D-line play.

We played with smoke & mirrors defensively all season. How can anyone say that we have a great D without any kind of pass rush from the DL? Gauthier & Bighill as starting linebackers for the majority of the season. Bomber mgmt refusing to upgrade our front 7. Just satisfied with rushing three & dropping nine because we had one helluva secondary that saved our asses time & time again. Imagine what they could have done with an actual front 7 in front of them.... We are pansies on defense. A paddy cake defense. No physicality. Nuthin'.