Tracker Posted November 10, 2019 Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 I know this is not the main event, but its a pretty entertaining game. Mark F, J5V, NorthernSkunk and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zontar Posted November 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, Tracker said: I know this is not the main event, but its a pretty entertaining game. Jones, Adams, Harris, Gable...Rod Blacks brain is imploding. GOLD MEMBER 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedFlex27 Posted November 10, 2019 Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 Harris is on fire but that Ti Cat defense will extinguish him & his passing attack next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eternal optimist Posted November 10, 2019 Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 7 minutes ago, J5V said: I think it's been shown that the success rate justifies going for two points. Depends how good your offense can execute I suppose. Absolutely, conventional game theory would dictate that provided your 2-point conversion success rate is above 50%, you should always go for 2. However, mathematical game theory relies upon some principals that simply don't apply in the game of football. For example, law of large numbers, which would state that provided you have sufficient iterations, you'd want to go for 2 all the time (because your expected value is greater than going for 1), doesn't really work, because even in a high-scoring game, you'll get 7, maybe 8 touchdowns? In order for the overall gain from going for two all the time to be realized, you'd need way more iterations than that. Game theory fails to account for in-game scenarios. At the end of the day, it really depends on the coach's appetite for risk - a coach with a larger appetite for risk (such as Dickenson) is more willing to go for 2, whereas O'Shea (risk-adverse) won't go for 2 unless he absolutely has to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBRT Posted November 10, 2019 Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 11 minutes ago, Tracker said: I know this is not the main event, but its a pretty entertaining game. I agree - watched the first half but now have to head out to McMahon to hopefully witness a Bomber victory! I taped the 2nd half and will watch when I get back hopefully enjoying a Bomber Win! Dang it is cold out! Fred C Dobbs, SpeedFlex27 and GOLD MEMBER 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zontar Posted November 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said: Harris is on fire but that Ti Cat defense will extinguish him & his passing attack next week. Give any QB lots of time and open recs and theyll put up points. MTL defense is gawd awful today. J5V 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J5V Posted November 10, 2019 Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 Just now, Eternal optimist said: Absolutely, conventional game theory would dictate that provided your 2-point conversion success rate is above 50%, you should always go for 2. However, mathematical game theory relies upon some principals that simply don't apply in the game of football. For example, law of large numbers, which would state that provided you have sufficient iterations, you'd want to go for 2 all the time (because your expected value is greater than going for 1), doesn't really work, because even in a high-scoring game, you'll get 7, maybe 8 touchdowns? In order for the overall gain from going for two all the time to be realized, you'd need way more iterations than that. Game theory fails to account for in-game scenarios. At the end of the day, it really depends on the coach's appetite for risk - a coach with a larger appetite for risk (such as Dickenson) is more willing to go for 2, whereas O'Shea (risk-adverse) won't go for 2 unless he absolutely has to. Very well said. A larger number of iterations for the rule to apply strongly makes sense as well as factors like the weather (kicking conditions) and the consistency of said kicker. In this case, I stand by my suggestion that Khari should maybe be going for two more often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eternal optimist Posted November 10, 2019 Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, J5V said: Very well said. A larger number of iterations for the rule to apply strongly makes sense as well as factors like the weather (kicking conditions) and the consistency of said kicker. In this case, I stand by my suggestion that Khari should maybe be going for two more often. Alright, well then agree to disagree. No point in pointlessly bantering. J5V 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted November 10, 2019 Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 Its probably going to come down to who makes the best half-time adjustments, but the Als gotta put some pressure on Harris. He has enough time back there to look like an all-star. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedFlex27 Posted November 10, 2019 Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 7 minutes ago, Zontar said: Give any QB lots of time and open recs and theyll put up points. MTL defense is gawd awful today. Harris can autograph his footballs before he throws them. Eternal optimist, BigBlueFanatic, JCon and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zontar Posted November 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 Muamba was invisible until that interview. SpeedFlex27 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedFlex27 Posted November 10, 2019 Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 Those swing passes are killing the Als. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCon Posted November 10, 2019 Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 Montreal is getting chippy. Flags are going to start to fly if they're not careful. They can't really afford that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zipp Posted November 10, 2019 Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 Edmonton o coordinator calling a great game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardCoreBlue Posted November 10, 2019 Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 (edited) Edm oline dominating the line of scrimmage. Edited November 10, 2019 by HardCoreBlue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOLD MEMBER Posted November 10, 2019 Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, JCon said: Montreal is getting chippy. Flags are going to start to fly if they're not careful. They can't really afford that. Lots of chippiness pre whistle according to Rod the pin head. Yeah!🙄 Edited November 10, 2019 by GOLD MEMBER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark F Posted November 10, 2019 Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 The ped expert John Bowman is doing nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
66 Chevelle Posted November 10, 2019 Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 11 minutes ago, Eternal optimist said: Alright, well then agree to disagree. No point in pointlessly bantering. I'm confused... I though the two of you were in agreement.... it sounded like he agreed with you... maybe I'm missing something... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark F Posted November 10, 2019 Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 got the sound off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eternal optimist Posted November 10, 2019 Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, 66 Chevelle said: I'm confused... I though the two of you were in agreement.... it sounded like he agreed with you... maybe I'm missing something... No, my stance was that teams shouldn't go for two on the basis that they are riskier. His stance (I think?) was that teams should go for two, on the basis that in poor-weather games, a one-point conversions have lower success, and thus why not gamble for two. As a rebuttal, I would add that in poor-weather games, points are at an even higher premium, so throwing them away on a two-point conversion attempt is less advisable, unless absolutely necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
66 Chevelle Posted November 10, 2019 Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, Eternal optimist said: No, my stance was that teams shouldn't go for two on the basis that they are riskier. His stance (I think?) was that teams should go for two, on the basis that in poor-weather games, a one-point conversions have lower success, and thus why not gamble for two. As a rebuttal, I would add that in poor-weather games, points are at an even higher premium, so throwing them away on a two-point conversion attempt is less advisable, unless absolutely necessary. ok, now I'm following the conversation... he threw me off when he started out complimenting your explanation... never mind me, lol... I'm caught up now, thx! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted November 10, 2019 Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, Eternal optimist said: No, my stance was that teams shouldn't go for two on the basis that they are riskier. His stance (I think?) was that teams should go for two, on the basis that in poor-weather games, a one-point conversions have lower success, and thus why not gamble for two. As a rebuttal, I would add that in poor-weather games, points are at an even higher premium, so throwing them away on a two-point conversion attempt is less advisable, unless absolutely necessary. From my point of view, one of the biggest pluses about two point conversions is that they demonstrate the confidence of their coaches in their offences. But its all about context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J5V Posted November 10, 2019 Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 7 minutes ago, 66 Chevelle said: I'm confused... I though the two of you were in agreement.... it sounded like he agreed with you... maybe I'm missing something... We have an understanding. LOL! It's all good. Eternal optimist 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eternal optimist Posted November 10, 2019 Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Tracker said: From my point of view, one of the biggest pluses about two point conversions is that they demonstrate the confidence of their coaches in their offences. But its all about context. There is a time and a place for them for sure, but I think going for them 100% of the time is just playing with fire. JCon and Tracker 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zontar Posted November 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 Are there Super stores in Western canada? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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