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BC at Edmonton

3 Areas To Watch

Number 2 Pivot: Who Steps Up?

BC - Ricky Lloyd and first-year Leos Austin Apodaca and Cole Sears will handle the quarterback reps in hopes of getting a leg up on sticking behind Reilly on the depth chart. 

Edmonton- Danny O’Brian, Logan Kilgore, Briscoe.

- One big observation in the first week of camp is the depth at receiver. Standouts at the position have included Joey Augustin, Marquis Bundy and Mexican additions Fernando Richarte and Gerardo Alvarez. All CFL clubs are required to keep one global player on their roster beyond training camp.

- Defensive Line: Calling On Another Bookend

With Odell Willis having another strong showing in camp, the big question remains who will line up as the other bookend.

- Linebacker Adam Konar gets to battle some of his own teammates after he was cut loose and quickly picked up by the Lions on day one of camp. He’ll start at MLB

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Harris, Burnham, and Begelton would probably be my top three.

1 minute ago, wbbfan said:

I wouldnt want to either, I hope its not us. But im sure some one will. Imo If ott doesnt clean house I could see them doing some thing like going for masoli and trading for franklin/MBT or signing one of the vets like collaros. 

It really is a shame, he was having a career year before that injury, guess you could say the same for Nichols though. Sadly, the football gods are often cruel and unforgiving.

3 minutes ago, Eternal optimist said:

It really is a shame, he was having a career year before that injury, guess you could say the same for Nichols though. Sadly, the football gods are often cruel and unforgiving.

been an unreal year for qbs. its nice to have soo many young guys flourishing but its tough to see soo many brutal injuries to vets.  

1 hour ago, sweep the leg said:

Harris, Burnham, and Begelton would probably be my top three.

Not big on harris, though we could do worse. I would love to get an elite wr though. 

7 hours ago, wbbfan said:

Not big on harris, though we could do worse. I would love to get an elite wr though. 

I meant Andrew Harris. I was referring to the West MOP conversation.

Yeah Harris is obviously the MOP, but people decided when he was suspended they wouldn't vote for him so we will see an undeserving representative. 

1 hour ago, 17to85 said:

Yeah Harris is obviously the MOP, but people decided when he was suspended they wouldn't vote for him so we will see an undeserving representative. 

Sure, but I highly doubt it's Fajardo. He's exceeded expectations like Nichols in 2017, but he's not even an upper echelon QB let alone MOP.

Edited October 22, 20196 yr by gcn11

6 minutes ago, gcn11 said:

Sure, but I highly doubt it's Fajardo. He's exceeded expectations like Nichols in 2017, but he's not even an upper echelon QB let alone MOP.

But he does plays for Canada's team.  That's worth more than a few votes ain it. 

16 minutes ago, gcn11 said:

Sure, but I highly doubt it's Fajardo. He's exceeded expectations like Nichols in 2017, but he's not even an upper echelon QB let alone MOP.

oh yeah he is totally ****, but Trevor Harris got hurt and missed too much time, BLM got hurt and missed too much time, Arbuckle didn't get enough time with BLM coming back. The media loves to hang off the nuts of the riders so yeah I can see them giving the west MOP to Fajardo, but it'll be the most undeserved recognition ever. 

Fatardo and the riders have two more games to **** the bed.

I'd vote for Burhnam for MOP. He's been absolutely amazing this year. 

11 hours ago, Eternal optimist said:

It really is a shame, he was having a career year before that injury, guess you could say the same for Nichols though. Sadly, the football gods are often cruel and unforgiving.

Exhibit A) The rider's standing due to a soft schedule and lucky breaks.

1 hour ago, 17to85 said:

oh yeah he is totally ****, but Trevor Harris got hurt and missed too much time, BLM got hurt and missed too much time, Arbuckle didn't get enough time with BLM coming back. The media loves to hang off the nuts of the riders so yeah I can see them giving the west MOP to Fajardo, but it'll be the most undeserved recognition ever. 

I just don't see how a West QB will win this year with such outstanding performances by Burnham, Harris, and Begelton. No QB should win by default.

27 minutes ago, gcn11 said:

I just don't see how a West QB will win this year with such outstanding performances by Burnham, Harris, and Begelton. No QB should win by default.

Burnham plays on a crappy team, that hurts him, and further to that neither Begelton or Burnham have tremendously eye popping stats. Yes good and been good all year, but milt only won MOP as a receiver for setting records. 

Andrew Harris is the obvious answer to west MOP, but like i said, the people on their high horses decided he was out of the running because of the suspension. 

37 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Burnham plays on a crappy team, that hurts him, and further to that neither Begelton or Burnham have tremendously eye popping stats. Yes good and been good all year, but milt only won MOP as a receiver for setting records. 

Andrew Harris is the obvious answer to west MOP, but like i said, the people on their high horses decided he was out of the running because of the suspension. 

I wonder how his "proof" that he took tainted supplements is coming along. I'd sure like to see that. I hate to be the one to say it but am I the only one that has noticed that Bomber fortunes took a huge nosedive after Harris' failed drug test and subsequent suspension?

41 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Burnham plays on a crappy team, that hurts him, and further to that neither Begelton or Burnham have tremendously eye popping stats. Yes good and been good all year, but milt only won MOP as a receiver for setting records. 

Andrew Harris is the obvious answer to west MOP, but like i said, the people on their high horses decided he was out of the running because of the suspension. 

Wonder if that "disqualify Harris for his suspension" attitude would carry over to Vernon Adams Jr. in Montreal?

5 minutes ago, J5V said:

I wonder how his "proof" that he took tainted supplements is coming along. I'd sure like to see that. I hate to be the one to say it but am I the only one that has noticed that Bomber fortunes took a huge nosedive after Harris' failed drug test and subsequent suspension?

I'm going to say Nichols injury (which happened around the same time) was a much larger factor. Especially since Harris has basically been himself since coming back, argument could be made that he's been better.

8 minutes ago, J5V said:

I wonder how his "proof" that he took tainted supplements is coming along. I'd sure like to see that. I hate to be the one to say it but am I the only one that has noticed that Bomber fortunes took a huge nosedive after Harris' failed drug test and subsequent suspension?

I notice it's colder outside since he was suspended. So, not only are the Bombers doing worse, his suspension has made it colder.

 

He says he's working to have the sample tested. That takes a while but no recent updates. 

22 minutes ago, TrueBlue4ever said:

Wonder if that "disqualify Harris for his suspension" attitude would carry over to Vernon Adams Jr. in Montreal?

Was Adams Jr. suspended for failing a drug test? If not, I would guess not.

7 minutes ago, Esks1975 said:

Was Adams Jr. suspended for failing a drug test? If not, I would guess not.

He was suspended for taking a weapon and hitting a player. Shocking that he only got one game and didn't get ejected. But, the CFL, is going to CFL. 

29 minutes ago, Esks1975 said:

Was Adams Jr. suspended for failing a drug test? If not, I would guess not.

No, he was suspended for breaking the rules, like Harris. But obviously "it wasn't performance enhancing, so we can trust his numbers and not Harris' !" So, Simoni Lawrence got suspended for his illegal hits, which is part of his performance and his style of play. Will he get knocked for his illegal style of play which could enhance his play-making (receivers fear the big hit?)

Obviously apples and oranges, but if selective morality is going to be a factor in voting and not performance-based, then consider 2 things:

1) Brandon Banks got busted for violating the league's drug policy in 2016 and still got the team and Eastern nominations for Best Special teams player, and was voted as a divisional all-star, and he is a leading candidate for east MOP this year, so how do voters reconcile that if they ignore Harris on principle?

2) Here are Harris' numbers before the positive test, after the test and before the suspension (appeal period when he knew he'd been caught), and after the suspension:

 

BEFORE TEST: (4 games)

rushes 58, yards 378, avg. 6.5, TDs 0, long 52, rush per game 14.5, yds. per game 94.5

receptions 18, yards 101, avg. 5.6, TDs 2, long 20, rec. per game 4.5, yds. per game 25.3

touches 76, yards 479, avg. 6.3, TDs 2, long 52, touch per game 19, yds. per game 119.8

 

AFTER TEST/PRE-SUSPENSION: (6 games)

rushes 83, yards 530, avg. 6.4, TDs 3, long 56, rush per game 13.8, yds. per game 88.3

receptions 28, yards 236, avg. 8.4, TDs 1, long 34, rec. per game 4.7, yds. per game 39.3

touches 111, yards 766, avg. 6.9, TDs 4, long 56, touch per game 18.5, yds. per game 127.7

 

AFTER SUSPENSION: (5 games)

rushes 69, yards 408, avg. 5.9, TDs 1, long 21, rush per game 13.8, yds. per game 81.6

receptions 21, yards 171, avg. 8.1, TDs 1, long 74, rec. per game 4.2, yds. per game 34.2

touches 90, yards 579, avg. 6.4, TDs 2, long 74, touch per game 18, yds. per game 115.8

So has there been a significant enough drop-off to suggest he was getting enhanced play because of the drugs in his system? This of course assumes he isn't still using, which would be quite surprising given he got caught once, is likely being tested more closely now, and given his stance that this was accidental would REALLY be taking a risk of destroying any of what is left of his reputation if he got caught again.

I make no determination personally if he should or should not be left off for his conduct, but if I were a voter these are questions I would ask myself and expect to explain if asked by others.

 

Edited October 22, 20196 yr by TrueBlue4ever

48 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said:

I'm going to say Nichols injury (which happened around the same time) was a much larger factor. Especially since Harris has basically been himself since coming back, argument could be made that he's been better.

Not to mention how much tougher our schedule has been since then.

6 minutes ago, TrueBlue4ever said:

No, he was suspended for breaking the rules, like Harris. But obviously "it wasn't performance enhancing, so we can trust his numbers and not Harris' !" So, Simoni Lawrence got suspended for his illegal hits, which is part of his performance and his style of play. Will he get knocked for his illegal style of play which could enhance his play-making (receivers fear the big hit?)

Obviously apples and oranges, but if selective morality is going to be a factor in voting and not performance-based, then consider 2 things:

1) Brandon Banks got busted for violating the league's drug policy in 2016 and still got the team and Eastern nominations for Best Special teams player, and was voted as a divisional all-star, and he is a leading candidate for east MOP this year, so how do voters reconcile that if they ignore Harris on principle?

The bolded portion is a good point, and something I had forgotten. Everything above it is pretty crazy lol.

31 minutes ago, sweep the leg said:

The bolded portion is a good point, and something I had forgotten. Everything above it is pretty crazy lol.

I could see voters splitting hairs there too, since Banks got busted for MDA (ecstasy - but still a stimulant) and Harris got nabbed for steroids.

1 hour ago, JCon said:

I notice it's colder outside since he was suspended. So, not only are the Bombers doing worse, his suspension has made it colder.

 

He says he's working to have the sample tested. That takes a while but no recent updates. 

Yeah, because it wouldn't bother clean players if their teammate has been caught cheating but I see your point because thats the same as it being colder outside.