I'm almost always against such a thing happening and prefer that people in high places stay in those places while not getting involved on the field.  But when certain assistant coaches are sucking at their jobs and the HC won't fire them, someone up there has to do something.  I thought it would be a foregone conclusion that Richie Hall would be fired last year after two utterly disgraceful showings in playoff games by his defense, yet MOS somehow thought his rope should be lengthened.  He had no problem letting Bellefeuille go 3 years ago, why the hell won't he put Hall on the firing squad?  Ridiculous!!

I got the feeling we'll be stuck with this incompetent defensive coordinator unless Wade Miller and the Board of Directors order his firing.  I hope they do it.

I don't think it needs to come from upper management. 

Hall should have been replaced in the off season, but now isn't the time to change DC's. Sadly, we need to wait until the next off season now.

Nah you can replace a coordinator any time you want, it's not like the head coach. 

I'd like to see O'Shea take over the DC duties.  I'm sure with the other defensive coaches pitching in.  It could be something that he could pull off until he can hire a replacement in the off season. 

Just now, B-F-F-C said:

I'd like to see O'Shea take over the DC duties.  I'm sure with the other defensive coaches pitching in.  It could be something that he could pull off until he can hire a replacement in the off season. 

O'Shea's already stated that he's taking a bigger role in the defense and I haven't seen any difference. Have you?

58 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Nah you can replace a coordinator any time you want, it's not like the head coach. 

You can change the head coach half way through the season, and have good results.  

Hamilton just did that last season. It worked.

and how do you take a player like Adam Bighill, and make him look ordinary? That's not easy.

 

 

 

Edited June 30, 20187 yr by Mark F

The defense has been a glaring issue for years. What makes anyone think management has suddenly changed their opinion? There's a built in excuse for them with Nichols out. Hall isn't going anywhere until the off season and it may take MOS' job being on the line to make him pull the trigger then.

Edited June 30, 20187 yr by White Out

If O'Shea has to be ordered to can an obviously incompetent assistant coach, then that says that O'Shea does not have what it takes to be a head coach. so, this will be a measure of the man.

Edited June 30, 20187 yr by Tracker

It just sickens me that it has come to this as a discussion about Ritchie Hall. That it appears loyalty by the head coach usurps winning by  the organization.  Nothing is going to change keeping Hall. 

11 minutes ago, Tracker said:

If O'Shea has to be ordered to can an obviously incompetent assistant coach, then that says that O'Shea does not have what it takes to be a head coach. so, this will be a measure of the man.

Maybe, but I still think the pressure should be amped up to get rid of Hall.  Maybe O'Shea does have to go, but I think he might turn around if he feels the pressure to fire Hall.

You have an inept offence that had no time of possession, had one sustained drive in the first quarter. How many 2 and outs? The end offensive stats are again grossly misleading against a defence that was content to give up yards and chew up the clock. People complaining about what they call the ineffective use of Bighill....10 tackles. They have a safety that has demonstrated he has no real understanding of how the position is played. As someone here suggested the D might be better served playing him at Will and Leggett at safety.  MOS retained a Hall, said he as going to be more actively involved in the D and is hailed as a defensive guru ? Clearly there is more to the equation and perhaps Hall is not the entire problem. A team game coached by a team of coaches and the solution is perhaps not as simple as it seems.

3 minutes ago, DR. CFL said:

You have an inept offence that had no time of possession, had one sustained drive in the first quarter. How many 2 and outs? The end offensive stats are again grossly misleading against a defence that was content to give up yards and chew up the clock. People complaining about what they call the ineffective use of Bighill....10 tackles. They have a safety that has demonstrated he has no real understanding of how the position is played. As someone here suggested the D might be better served playing him at Will and Leggett at safety.  MOS retained a Hall, said he as going to be more actively involved in the D and is hailed as a defensive guru ? Clearly there is more to the equation and perhaps Hall is not the entire problem. A team game coached by a team of coaches and the solution is perhaps not as simple as it seems.

You sir are wrong on all counts

5 minutes ago, DR. CFL said:

You have an inept offence that had no time of possession, had one sustained drive in the first quarter. How many 2 and outs? The end offensive stats are again grossly misleading against a defence that was content to give up yards and chew up the clock. People complaining about what they call the ineffective use of Bighill....10 tackles. They have a safety that has demonstrated he has no real understanding of how the position is played. As someone here suggested the D might be better served playing him at Will and Leggett at safety.  MOS retained a Hall, said he as going to be more actively involved in the D and is hailed as a defensive guru ? Clearly there is more to the equation and perhaps Hall is not the entire problem. A team game coached by a team of coaches and the solution is perhaps not as simple as it seems.

Whats the excuse for the other 3 years of this D being garbage water? I mean, seriously. 

Offensive lack of production :

1st quarter 76 yds

2nd quarter 55 yds

3rd quarter 10 yds

4th quarter 200 yds when the score was 31-10

Does the lack of offensive time of possession and production impact the defence?

Placing sole blame on the defence is an over simplification.

Just now, DR. CFL said:

Offensive lack of production :

1st quarter 76 yds

2nd quarter 55 yds

3rd quarter 10 yds

4th quarter 200 yds when the score was 31-10

Does the lack of offensive time of possession and production impact the defence?

Placing sole blame on the defence is an over simplification.

No it isn't.  They didn't do their job and Hall sucks.  What a dumb analysis.

Dumb analysis? The lack of offence had nothing to do with the end result?

How can anyone say the offense is the reason we lost last night?? It was a factor, sure. But not the reason.  It was our garbage fire dumpster defense & the arsonist DC who coaches it. 

38 minutes ago, DR. CFL said:

Dumb analysis? The lack of offence had nothing to do with the end result?

How can there be an efficient offence when they are hardly on the field because the defence

is allowing time consuming long drives, with no one s within five yards of each hamilton

receiver? Offence can't get into any kind of rhythm. Dropped passes don't help.

Give us a break...it was a poor defensive plan from start to finish, and no adjustments were

made at half time. The offence did not lose us the game, the defence did as soon as it

stepped on the field.

 

3 hours ago, TBURGESS said:

O'Shea's already stated that he's taking a bigger role in the defense and I haven't seen any difference. Have you?

Yes he did but it’s still hall who’s calling the defence.  We need to exorcise the demon. 

 

 

58 minutes ago, DR. CFL said:

Offensive lack of production :

1st quarter 76 yds

2nd quarter 55 yds

3rd quarter 10 yds

4th quarter 200 yds when the score was 31-10

Does the lack of offensive time of possession and production impact the defence?

Placing sole blame on the defence is an over simplification.

Most of us know it's not all the D but how many 2 and out did our D force? The O did sputter but hard to get in a groove when there are long stretches of time in between when we have the ball.

24 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:

Most of us know it's not all the D but how many 2 and out did our D force? The O did sputter but hard to get in a groove when there are long stretches of time in between when we have the ball.

Agree! The D was on the field a ton, but they did absolutely nothing to get themselves off the field.

Did the Bomber D make a single play last night?

28 minutes ago, blitzmore said:

How can there be an efficient offence when they are hardly on the field because the defence

is allowing time consuming long drives, with no one s within five yards of each hamilton

receiver? Offence can't get into any kind of rhythm. Dropped passes don't help.

Give us a break...it was a poor defensive plan from start to finish, and no adjustments were

made at half time. The offence did not lose us the game, the defence did as soon as it

stepped on the field.

 

Bit of a chicken/egg scenario your're creating.  If the Offence wants more time on the field they need to produce first downs consecutively, not look to the D to give them the ball back just so they can go right back out and squander another opportunity with a 2 and out.  Obviously they lost as a team but considering the temp. at field level last night was extreme with added high humidity these conditions exacerbate the T.O.P. difference and once the front 7 were bagged, the DB's were basically left on their own at the hands of Masoli.

6 minutes ago, Dr. Blue said:

Agree! The D was on the field a ton, but they did absolutely nothing to get themselves off the field.

Did the Bomber D make a single play last night?

Other than Sayles's interception, No.

Also, even though the offense did have two and outs last night, there were plenty of games last year where our offense was working fine and the defense did nothing to help them.

That is why our friend Dr CFL made a dumb analysis.

Edited June 30, 20187 yr by USABomberfan

22 minutes ago, USABomberfan said:

Other than Sayles's interception, No.

Also, even though the offense did have two and outs last night, there were plenty of games last year where our offense was working fine and the defense did nothing to help them.

That is why our friend Dr CFL made a dumb analysis.

Didn't the receiver fall on the Sayles interception? Don't think he really made an outstanding play...

1 minute ago, Dr. Blue said:

Didn't the receiver fall on the Sayles interception? Don't think he really made an outstanding play...

Yeah, I was just saying that was about all the defense did of note.  Although I think Sayles does have some pretty good potential or at least better than TJ Heath did.

 

Problem is keeping Richie here is going to waste his talents as it will many other players.