Game Day notes - Saskatchewan at Montreal 

Only four clubs - BC, Calgary, Edmonton and Toronto - appear to be starting the same QB in Week #1 in 2017 as they did in 2016 (Jennings, Mitchell, Reilly & Ray)

The average CFL player enters 2017 at 27.4 years of age and carries 2.9 years, and 38 career games with 23 starts

The average CFL veteran Quarterback carries much more experience at 29 years of age, 71 games played and 5.0 seasons

Calgary has by far the most veterans returning with 51 on their roster and just nine first-year players.

- Ottawa has the roster with the fewest first-year players with just seven out of their 51 in total.

- Saskatchewan's roster has only 29 players returning from 2016 with 14 free agent from other clubs and 12 first-year players.

- The Argonauts are in the same 'boat' with only 28 of their own back alongside 31 new players (free agents and rookies).

• Winnipeg's growth is starting to show as they have 35 of their own vets back and just 16 new players (7 F/A's, 9 first-year).

Among the 18 players selected in the first two rounds in 2017, 14 of those players (78%) made it onto CFL rosters.

The West returned to dominate the inter-divisional play winning 28 of 39 games (one was tied), the most by one Division over the other in a 9-team CFL since 1993 (29 wins out of 40 games that year)

Game Stats

have added the following new "stats" and/or reports (with some definition):

1) QB Pressure

Defined: "Credited to a defender who either forces the QB to move off his initial drop back point to avoid contact, contacts the QB in the act of throwing, or has the QB in his grasp at the time an Intentional Grounding penalty is called"

Reporting: Compiled by defensive player and for QBs in terms of the number of times pressured.

2) Dropped passes

Treatment: Entered as a note into each play-by-play and for those plays where the drop is clear and uncontested. Reporting: Compiled for QBs in terms of the number of passes dropped; Receiver reporting to be primarily internal

3) Individual 2nd Down Conversion Defence

Defined: Defensive plays made that result in a failed opponent 2nd down conversion via: Tackles, QB Sacks, Pass knockdowns, Forced fumbles, Interception or fumble recovery.

Reporting: Compiled for all defensive players and league leaders reported the same as other defensive statistics.

4) Play-by-play entries and other reporting

Reporting: Printed play-by-plays will be much more explicit showing for example split yardage (Total, YAC portion) along with receiver depth for all pass attempts including incompletions. Play-by-plays will also include more "tags", notations for special plays such as Fake kicks, Challenges, Two-point converts and more. We have created an immediate post-game summary of key data that has in the past been unavailable until the following week. This will include much more in-depth breakdowns of many key pieces of game data.

CFL Player Performance Evaluation - QUAR: for a comprehensive look at these explanations, see

https://d3ham790trbkqy.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2017/06/2017-CFL-Gm-Notes-10-Ssk-at-Mtl.pdf

 

Edited June 21, 20178 yr by Mr Dee

Nice little shot from Derek Taylor to Carter last night after his 2 targets, 2 drops performance. Guess Carter got on DT on Twitter a little while back, when DT didn't call him the best receiver in the league. Gave it to him pretty good, and DT last night had a good little shot at him for it. Fun times, all around...

7 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Watching Duron Carter have more drops than catches always makes me smile too. 

Easily the most unlikable guy in the CFL.

Just now, sweep the leg said:

Easily the most unlikable guy in the CFL.

... well, I mean ... Chris Jones?

Let's just say easily the most unlikable player.

 

Just now, Mike said:

... well, I mean ... Chris Jones?

Let's just say easily the most unlikable player.

 

I actually dislike Maas more than Jones. I'd love to slap the ears off that jackass. Jones is terrible too though.

But really though, that game was what it was - the two worst teams in the league battling to see who wasn't going to blow it. Coaching stood out as incredibly poor all around last night, whether it be the offensive game plans, the lack of adjustments or the overall game management (on one side)

Part of me hopes Chris Jones wises up and starts bringing a four man rush against us, one less guy for our receivers to deal with in the secondary and our OL will shut them down anyways. Their ends are athletic and a challenge, but their interior is not viewed as a threat by any means. Their secondary didn't play as bad as I was expecting last night, but at the same time, Durant didn't really challenge them much and the one time he did, it was an exceptionally poor showing by Gainey (who is supposed to be the leader) who let Cunningham waltz into the end zone.

I'm not as high on the Riders OL as most were after last night either, Glenn did a good job of getting the ball out but he was facing pressure from that right side all night and had the pocket collapse numerous times. Our interior defensive line is also going to be way more disruptive than Montreal's was.

The only thing I'm concerned about is the health of our defensive backs right now - doesn't sound like Bruce Johnson is going to go, but I sure hope Leggett can get in there and play. That would be a difference maker for us.

15 hours ago, Jimmy Pop said:

I've got a running theory that Derek Taylor's existence at TSN is to troll. (If it is, I'm not complaining!) Can't think of another plausible explanation.

i just got told SSK's o-line was "drastically" better than ours. 

Now im no expert, but does that make sense in any way, shape or form?!

only in Bizarro world my friend

13 hours ago, Gotmilt said:

never understood Shultz's hate for the Bombers. 

rider green runs strong even after retirement?

12 hours ago, Booch said:

Nobody deserved to win that...but Montreal eeked it out mainly due to poor reffing and total lack of creativity on both sides of call.

Grant td was totally a fumble..Lewis was down by contact..u can see from the straight on camera angle that when back of his hand then elbow hit turf his hand was still around that ball..like etc video review looked at on both those is baffling

And 1 game in Carter was causing riffs on sidelines and in house squabbling.. like really?

U could see in his face on field he was pouting about game..his lack of throws..and this is exactly what u get from him.

And also not sure if it's just me bout Jones just comes off as a tool..

 

you, me, every fan in the cfl,  rest of the league besides everyone in saskabush..

24 minutes ago, SPuDS said:

rider green runs strong even after retirement?

I'm pretty sure hes only played for the Argos

27 minutes ago, Mike said:

...

The only thing I'm concerned about is the health of our defensive backs right now - doesn't sound like Bruce Johnson is going to go, but I sure hope Leggett can get in there and play. That would be a difference maker for us.

I thought Glenn played well and he always seems to have success against us. Let's hope we can apply some pressure, maybe get a few licks in and maybe force a few turnovers.

It seemed to me that we got into a habit of starting slowly last year and would turn it on in the second half. I'm hoping to see us improve on our starts and play hard for 60 minutes. Not to sound like BLM but we need to show the Riders who they really are and get them down early and not take our foot off their throats.

Just now, J5V said:

I thought Glenn played well and he always seems to have success against us. Let's hope we can apply some pressure, maybe get a few licks in and maybe force a few turnovers.

It seemed to me that we got into a habit of starting slowly last year and would turn it on in the second half. I'm hoping to see us improve on our starts and play hard for 60 minutes. Not to sound like BLM but we need to show the Riders who they really are and get them down early and not take our foot off their throats.

Not recently.

14 minutes ago, Gotmilt said:

I'm pretty sure hes only played for the Argos

This is correct.

21 minutes ago, Gotmilt said:

I'm pretty sure hes only played for the Argos

he has some saskabushian connection.. from there originally maybe? 

 

or maybe hes just crazy,

Maybe it's just me, but I really don't care what people in the media or the fans of other teams think about the Bombers.  Doesn't bother me in the slightest if everyone else thinks that we're going to be a bottom feeder.   The only thing that concerns me is what we actually do.  So if the media thinks that it needs to pump the tires of the flatbillies for whatever reason, pump away.  I have a feeling that shortly, there are going to be some pretty flat tires in Regina that are going to need pumping!

Just now, SPuDS said:

he has some saskabushian connection.. from there originally maybe? 

 

or maybe hes just crazy,

From ontario, played for the Argos

Too many jolts to the head probably.

Just now, Gotmilt said:

From ontario, played for the Argos

Too many jolts to the head probably.

huh.  weird, must be post concussion syndrome then ya lol.  I totally thought he played for the riders or was from saskatchewan with how much love hes always showing them.

1 minute ago, WBBFanWest said:

Maybe it's just me, but I really don't care what people in the media or the fans of other teams think about the Bombers.  Doesn't bother me in the slightest if everyone else thinks that we're going to be a bottom feeder.   The only thing that concerns me is what we actually do.  So if the media thinks that it needs to pump the tires of the flatbillies for whatever reason, pump away.  I have a feeling that shortly, there are going to be some pretty flat tires in Regina that are going to need pumping!

I don't really care, at this point i'm pretty sure it's just trolling.

4 minutes ago, Gotmilt said:

From ontario, played for the Argos

Too many jolts to the head probably.

Schultz likely hates the Bombers because of all the seasons against the Bombers. Especially from 90-94 when we would routinely stomp them.....  

Just now, Bomber_fanaddict said:

Schultz likely hates the Bombers because of all the seasons against the Bombers. Especially from 90-94 when we would routinely stomp them.....  

I'm sure he tries to be objective. 

Just now, J5V said:

I'm sure he tries to be objective. 

Yup......lol

 

I remember my high school football days. And to this day there is one school I still cant stand!!! They were just that one team we could never beat! No matter our record or theirs we just couldn't find away to beat them. Call it bad luck, call it a curse call it whatever you want. But They gave me nightmares lol. I think that's what Schultz feels.

Yes, #Roughriders lose because the field-goal kicker misses, but why did #ChrisJones remove his starting QB in the red zone. Dumb call. #CFL

?‍?Ah, can we say it was a bad game for Duron Carter?

Didn't see much difference between Durant and Glenn…Glenn would have got the edge ‘cept for the int. and should-have-been-int. 

Glenn did just enough to not win. Steady. 

Would Durant have won that game for the Riders?  Can't see the difference it would have made.

Jovon Johnson played the best I've seen him play in quite a while..

That Mincy guy had a good game.

I've never seen Demski have a better game…save for that one rookieish catch and lose yards play…

What the hell was that clock management at the end of the game?

Ah, about that flag rule, where you wick the flag, and it's a dead ball? Didn't know that.

Rust leads to frustration. Some frustration from some players out there. But if you take the word rust out of it, that leaves fration, and that in itself, is crazy…

Bede's eyes and FG kicking…just don't go together.

The East is 1 up over the West  - Last in the East over last in the West?

In the "I feel bad for the guy department". Travis Hawkin’s tremendous effort to strip the ball off Bakari Grant at the goal line was negated by an iffy call by the c’mon centre.

Is Father Time finally catching up with a Chip Cox. Seemed always a step behind to me.

?‍? Duron Carter had more yards on a punt return than he did all game as a receiver. He was targeted 9 times and had 2 catches for 12 yards…

Cameron Marshall looked strong, running for 84 yards on 11 carries. Look for Cameron to have fewer plays called in their next game…due to Coaching

For me the Play of the game - Durant finding BJ Cunningham for a 65 TD..

Nic Lewis - still doing it for the Alouettes.

Alex Pierzchalski, the much un-sought-after National receiver did a credible job of filling in for Sam Giguere

401-332 total yards in favour of Sask.

103-99 rushing for Sask.

Efficiency Sask - 83.42% Mont. - 108.67%

Sask. 12 penalties to 7 for the Alouettes. That's what both TSN and CFL.ca are reporting. I don't know where Jones gets 21 penalties from. Of course, I don't get where he gets most of his thoughts from...

1 QB sack on Glenn

21 to 8  No, not a score, but rather, what the clock started at and finished at, before a time out was called. Go figure. Seems nobody else figured..

It was the Riders 36th loss in the last 46 meaningful games (Rob Vanstone)

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Mike said:

But really though, that game was what it was - the two worst teams in the league battling to see who wasn't going to blow it. Coaching stood out as incredibly poor all around last night, whether it be the offensive game plans, the lack of adjustments or the overall game management (on one side)

Part of me hopes Chris Jones wises up and starts bringing a four man rush against us, one less guy for our receivers to deal with in the secondary and our OL will shut them down anyways. Their ends are athletic and a challenge, but their interior is not viewed as a threat by any means. Their secondary didn't play as bad as I was expecting last night, but at the same time, Durant didn't really challenge them much and the one time he did, it was an exceptionally poor showing by Gainey (who is supposed to be the leader) who let Cunningham waltz into the end zone.

I'm not as high on the Riders OL as most were after last night either, Glenn did a good job of getting the ball out but he was facing pressure from that right side all night and had the pocket collapse numerous times. Our interior defensive line is also going to be way more disruptive than Montreal's was.

The only thing I'm concerned about is the health of our defensive backs right now - doesn't sound like Bruce Johnson is going to go, but I sure hope Leggett can get in there and play. That would be a difference maker for us.

Both teams really had trouble pressuring the QB, made both quarterbacks look a lot better than they are. Did anybody even get close to the QB all game?

Put one hit on either of these guys and watch the picks come.

Has Carter been diagnosed with A.D.D.?  I suspect that may be the root cause of his mental problems.

9 minutes ago, Mr Dee said:

Rust leads to frustration. Some frustration from some players out there. But if you take the word rust out of it, that leaves fration, and that in itself, is crazy…

"Fration" is a new Rider word. It is a combination of the words "Afraid" (as in "I'm afraid we are just as bad as last year, maybe worse") and "Nation" (as in ""Rider Nation" is a term describing the CFL's overreaction to the Rider inferiority complex"). Fration can easily be combined with other Rider words to produce terms like "Rider Fration" which describes Rider Nation since Chris Jones took over.

Sorry, I'll see myself out ...

47 minutes ago, Mr Dee said:

Would Durant have won that game for the Riders?  Can't see the difference it would have made.

 

 

 

 

Actually i think it would have. Neither QB had great success but Durant had 2 TD's and no turn overs. Kevin Glenn with 1 TD and an INT. When the games so close this is the difference between winning 17-16 and losing 17-16