17to85 Posted November 1, 2019 Report Share Posted November 1, 2019 16 minutes ago, Zontar said: My mindset is socalists and progressives destroy everything they touch and make society and the world worse. They cannot be trusted. Plot , scheme, steal to get power. See Mueller and impeachment. The longer they are kept from the reins of power the better. Since socialists are plotting for more power in the US, the most influential country on earth, I have an interest. Even if I was an American Id have no attachment to Republicans as they are , by and large, a party of globalist, open borders job killers and war mongers. No attachment to Trump other than he promised to address the above, with modest success. So my defense of Trump, if you want to call it that, is through the "lens" of what I listed. so you think Trump isn't destroying everything he touches? You seen how reliant US farmers are on socialism now that Trumps trade wars have destroyed their economy? So why don't you explain to me the things you think Trump has done that are good and beneficial to the United States. Try and avoid attacks on democrats or socialists or other things of that nature too, and conspiracy theories please. I really want to know what Trump supports think he is doing such a good job of in the face of some absolute travesties that he has been at the helm for, Wideleft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wideleft Posted November 1, 2019 Report Share Posted November 1, 2019 18 minutes ago, Zontar said: My mindset is socalists and progressives destroy everything they touch and make society and the world worse. They cannot be trusted. Plot , scheme, steal to get power. See Mueller and impeachment. The longer they are kept from the reins of power the better. Since socialists are plotting for more power in the US, the most influential country on earth, I have an interest. Soooo......you're a nut, then? bb.king, bustamente, The Unknown Poster and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted November 1, 2019 Report Share Posted November 1, 2019 19 minutes ago, tacklewasher said: But, that is what the vote was about. To have a transparent plan in place to deal with the impeachment investigation. The bi-partisan question is a red-herring. That the Repubs voted against it is a stain on them, not the process. So much this. I can't like this post enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark F Posted November 1, 2019 Report Share Posted November 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, Wideleft said: Soooo......you're a nut, then? This is the definitely most reasonable conclusion. Wideleft and The Unknown Poster 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zontar Posted November 1, 2019 Report Share Posted November 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said: So much this. I can't like this post enough. How was "it has to be bipartisan and it will be" which Pelosi repeatedly maintained and echoed by a sympathetic media a red herring ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zontar Posted November 1, 2019 Report Share Posted November 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, Wideleft said: Soooo......you're a nut, then? Scorn by a socialist doesn't make the point you think you're making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wideleft Posted November 1, 2019 Report Share Posted November 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, Zontar said: Scorn by a socialist doesn't make the point you think you're making. I'm pretty comfortable with my mental stability and grasp of reality, thanks. Sorry for getting personal. Mark F 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wideleft Posted November 1, 2019 Report Share Posted November 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, Zontar said: How was "it has to be bipartisan and it will be" which Pelosi repeatedly maintained and echoed by a sympathetic media a red herring ? That the Republicans refuse to make it bi-partisan is not on Pelosi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted November 1, 2019 Report Share Posted November 1, 2019 9 minutes ago, Zontar said: How was "it has to be bipartisan and it will be" which Pelosi repeatedly maintained and echoed by a sympathetic media a red herring ? Cause members of both parties sit on the committees. That’s bipartisan. And it’s only the beginning, not the end. Who knows if any GOP will vote against trump. You want to bury it before that even has a chance to happen just like you dismiss the mueller report which showed collusion between trump and Russia, crimes and put many in jail. Nothing to see right? why discuss an issue when absolutely nothing will ever be enough to convince you? When the facts don’t matter why bother ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zontar Posted November 1, 2019 Report Share Posted November 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, Wideleft said: That the Republicans refuse to make it bi-partisan is not on Pelosi. It is when going forward is predicated on the need for bipartisan ship, like she said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zontar Posted November 1, 2019 Report Share Posted November 1, 2019 8 minutes ago, Wideleft said: I'm pretty comfortable with my mental stability and grasp of reality, thanks. Sorry for getting personal. Ok, if you're sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted November 1, 2019 Report Share Posted November 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, Zontar said: It is when going forward is predicated on the need for bipartisan ship, like she said. You're essentially arguing: 1) if the jury wont convict today, no point in having a trial (and actually they're just at the investigation stage so a better argument is, if the jury wont convict today, no reason to call the cops at all) 2) the investigation is not credible because the GOP doesnt support it, ignoring the majority of the House who did (satisfying the constitutional requirement). Why does the GOP position matter but the Dem position doesnt? 3) The process is actually more fair to Trump than in past impeachment inquiries You're not even debating that Trump is guilty, you're arguing he should get off in spite of the evidence against him. Wideleft and Mark F 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wideleft Posted November 1, 2019 Report Share Posted November 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, Zontar said: It is when going forward is predicated on the need for bipartisan ship, like she said. "But here’s the thing: These hearings are being conducted with the full involvement of the Republican members of the three committees doing the inquiring. Not only are Republicans given equivalent time for questioning, but any member of any of the committees — Intelligence, Foreign Affairs and Oversight — is welcome to attend any of these sessions." https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/10/23/protect-trump-republicans-are-staging-display-lawlessness-its-failing/ The Unknown Poster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted November 1, 2019 Report Share Posted November 1, 2019 15 minutes ago, Wideleft said: That the Republicans refuse to make it bi-partisan is not on Pelosi. This is key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted November 1, 2019 Report Share Posted November 1, 2019 1) never let facts get in the way of a good denial 2) you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink Mark F 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bustamente Posted November 1, 2019 Report Share Posted November 1, 2019 Close to 15k lies or misleading statements during his presidency, he wouldn't know the truth if if smacked him upside his head. The Unknown Poster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted November 1, 2019 Report Share Posted November 1, 2019 Fun Article in Vanity Fair: https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/10/wall-street-tries-to-get-its-mind-around-a-warren-presidency Quote “A DECISION BETWEEN SICKNESS AND DEATH”: WALL STREET TRIES TO GET ITS MIND AROUND A WARREN PRESIDENCY At least she’s a capitalist, unlike Bernie. And in a pick-your-poison election, many Wall Streeters see her as much, much better than Trump and his chaos. BY WILLIAM D. COHAN OCTOBER 11, 2019 Wideleft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted November 1, 2019 Report Share Posted November 1, 2019 43 minutes ago, Zontar said: How was "it has to be and it will be" which Pelosi repeatedly maintained and echoed by a sympathetic media a red herring ? Interesting take... How do you define bipartisan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark F Posted November 1, 2019 Report Share Posted November 1, 2019 use of "Globalist" reveals who the poster's sources are, Alex Jones, Steve Bannon for instance. That's where this person gets their ideas. Not worth any more of my time. "As the Anti-Defamation League’s Jonathan Greenblatt put it, “Where the term originates from is a reference to Jewish people who are seen as having allegiances not to their countries of origin like the United States, but to some global conspiracy.” Greenblatt said it’s “disturbing” when public officials “literally parrot this term which is rooted in prejudice.” JCon and Wideleft 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted November 1, 2019 Report Share Posted November 1, 2019 Nothing to see here. Mark F, Wideleft, bustamente and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted November 1, 2019 Report Share Posted November 1, 2019 (edited) Here is a novel new idea on how not to answer a question. Edited November 1, 2019 by wanna-b-fanboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnzo Posted November 1, 2019 Report Share Posted November 1, 2019 6 hours ago, Zontar said: From what I gather the sexual /power dynamic of a superior over a subordinate in the workplace is a big part of it no matter if it was consensual. Pretty much sounds like this case this is one of those things that contain multiple true things. yes, the member of congress did have a sex relationship with a subordinate, and that's a bad look no matter what the circumstances. Her resignation is more punishment than I'd ask for, but she made that call. No laws were broken. yes, the member of congress is a victim of revenge porn and whoever did it tried to extort her with more photos. That breaks several laws -- revenge porn is against the law in California -- and I hope law enforcement fries whoever's responsible for that. JCon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark F Posted November 1, 2019 Report Share Posted November 1, 2019 (edited) Remember this Zontar person posting that the American election was influenced by millions of illegal voters? and he hasn't shown his source. Probably cause it's Alex Jones and he doesn't want to admit that. Not sure why that would be. Quote Report: Three Million Votes in Presidential Election Cast by Illegal Aliens Trump may have won popular vote Paul Joseph Watson | Infowars.com - November 14, 2016 Alex Jones is likely where Zontar gets the stuff that he posts here. and Breitbart. Edited November 1, 2019 by Mark F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark F Posted November 1, 2019 Report Share Posted November 1, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, The Unknown Poster said: Nothing to see here. . risks job, prospects, now they're trying to see if they can prosecute him. You know, that this man is without a doubt, a hero, squeaky clean, above reproach, and telling the truth. And the people attacking him are worthless liars, who have zero to lose when they carry out their mission for the vile Trump. Edited November 1, 2019 by Mark F Wanna-B-Fanboy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iHeart Posted November 1, 2019 Report Share Posted November 1, 2019 well Beto is out https://deadline.com/2019/11/beto-orourke-drops-out-2020-1202775051/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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