do or die Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 When the White House postponed Putin's trip to Washington......there was a breeze of relief, on the Hill. So naturally Vlad starts stirring that particular pot: http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/399152-putin-i-invited-trump-to-meet-in-moscow Amazing how Putin - thanks to Trump's arrogance and idiocy, is completely controlling the narrative about their meeting - you know, the one that the Secretary of State, Secretary of Defense, the intelligence agencies, the House, and the Senate know absolutely nothing about. They actually have to wait, until Bad Vlad provides some "information" - like putting out the word.......about "promises" and "agreements" supposedly arrived at there, or for that matter, anything Vlad can make up. Putin can spend the next year riding the White House like a pony. until he gets the "useful idiot" in a room again. The incompetence is simply breathtaking. The Unknown Poster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 11 hours ago, do or die said: http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/399129-giuliani-attacks-cohen-after-trump-tower-report-hes-a-pathological As far as Rudy Giuliani calling ANYONE a pathological liar..... 😄 Hey being a pathological liar is a pre-requisite in order to work for Trump. blue_gold_84 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 1 hour ago, do or die said: The incompetence is simply breathtaking. The thing that gets me is that there hasn't been a revolt within the Republican party yet... like are they OK being made a laughing stock on the world stage? Are they afraid that Trump is too big to fail? Cause I tell you the longer they let this go on the more they hurt their long term chances of maintaining power. The non ignorant are rapidly getting sick of Trumps ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 2 hours ago, 17to85 said: The thing that gets me is that there hasn't been a revolt within the Republican party yet... like are they OK being made a laughing stock on the world stage? Are they afraid that Trump is too big to fail? Cause I tell you the longer they let this go on the more they hurt their long term chances of maintaining power. The non ignorant are rapidly getting sick of Trumps ****. I think the party thinks if they turn on Trump, the base turns on them and they are done. Its not like Dems and Liberals will embrace Republicans just because they turn on Trump. Their only hope of winning is to go with Trump. They had a chance before to turn against him and make the Republican party a Moderate Right party, but they didnt. It will likely take a complete disaster, such as Trump being impeached and possible jailed, an implosion of the Party for it to re-build without the alt-right White Nationalist garbage propping it up. There is so much ground between the center and the current GOP. If the Dems can hold off their own crazies and move towards the centre, they can gain a ton of traction. Its there for the taking. If the GOP gets clobbered in November, you'll start seeing the party turn on Trump because they will think he's poison and they wont want to lose in 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
do or die Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 3 hours ago, 17to85 said: Hey being a pathological liar is a pre-requisite in order to work for Trump. I find that particular statement to be inaccurate and outrageous as well as insulting. Sincerely, Sarah Huckabee Sanders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 4 hours ago, 17to85 said: Hey being a pathological liar is a pre-requisite in order to work for Trump. 56 minutes ago, do or die said: "Yeah, that's fair. One can totally ..." *handed paper from off screen* *Reading from paper* "I find that particular statement to be inaccurate and outrageous as well as insulting." Sincerely, Sarah Huckabee Sanders FIFY blue_gold_84 and Mark F 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 4 hours ago, 17to85 said: Hey being a pathological liar is a pre-requisite in order to work for Trump. The thing with Rudy is, he's serving his current master. Even though everything he says flies in the face of things he's previously said. He's a great example of partisan hypocrisy. If Obama was alleged to have done a fraction of what Trump has, Rudy and the boys would be demanding his head on a silver platter. But saying that, even though Rudy is simply serving his master, he's doing a really poor job. And he comes across as old and out of touch and non-credible. Trump should have stuck with other lawyers or find ones now. But as I recall, many lawyers declined to take him on. Plus, he didnt like the advice others gave him. Rudy is there for one reason - to fight Trump's fight. He will never go to Trump with a settlement or plea deal. Its all about fighting to the death. And for that reason, they will lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacquie Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 15 hours ago, do or die said: http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/399129-giuliani-attacks-cohen-after-trump-tower-report-hes-a-pathological As far as Rudy Giuliani calling ANYONE a pathological liar..... 😄 Just like there being a Trump tweet for everything, there is a Guiliani video for everything: The Unknown Poster and Mark F 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bustamente Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 Giuliani is spinning so much his eyes have bugged out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark F Posted July 29, 2018 Report Share Posted July 29, 2018 (edited) Trump's trade wars are being quietly folded and put away. Congress passed an exemption for many chinese products the other day. Then there was a "truce" with the EU. which he ignores, or just lies about of course. meanwhile existing markets for their ag products are slipping away. Once gone, hard to get them back. probably impossible while Trump is around. It's not easy getting countries like China to buy your stuff. lol the other day someone smashed trump's star hollywood walk of fame. now there are two "russian soldiers" standing guard over it. you can see the pic here https://digbysblog.blogspot.com/ Edited July 29, 2018 by Mark F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted July 30, 2018 Report Share Posted July 30, 2018 He sent out a bunch of tweets today. Attacking mueller. Very clear he is desperate and has a very guilty conscience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bustamente Posted July 30, 2018 Report Share Posted July 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said: He sent out a bunch of tweets today. Attacking mueller. Very clear he is desperate and has a very guilty conscience. Saw that, you think he's just about ready to do something real stupid, he just needs to get a push from the good folks at Fox and we could have a hell of a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
do or die Posted July 30, 2018 Report Share Posted July 30, 2018 ...or more tweets from Michael Avenatti. This guy is seriously trolling Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted July 30, 2018 Report Share Posted July 30, 2018 Are they hoping trump eventually gets a new trial based on lousy legal representation? Rudy is really bad at this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted July 30, 2018 Report Share Posted July 30, 2018 (edited) This is important. It basically confirms other reports that trump may have been in that meeting via speakerphone. And also that they expect trump to be indicted (or at least to referred for charges) for conspiring with the Russians and obstruction. Their defence is collusion is not a crime. This is word play. The law isn’t collusion, it’s conspiracy. Rudy is just trying to get the public consciousness to accept trump colluded but it’s not a crime. Which ofcourse it is, but it’s called conspiracy. Edited July 30, 2018 by The Unknown Poster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlue4ever Posted July 30, 2018 Report Share Posted July 30, 2018 15 hours ago, The Unknown Poster said: He sent out a bunch of tweets today. Attacking mueller. Very clear he is desperate and has a very guilty conscience. Desperate, yes. Guilty conscience, I'd say not so much. He has high levels of arrogance combined with ignorance, but he lives in an alternate reality of wealth where he does what he wants (remember the whole Billy Bush "grab em by the [you know what], I forced myself on her like a b*tch, you get to kiss them, do whatever - when you're a big star you get away with whatever" and his "I could shoot somebody in Times Square and my approval would go up 5 points" mentality). He is now feeling heat he can't buy his way out of like his past lawsuits, and it upsets his sense of superiority. He has now flat out denied knowing about the Trump Tower meeting in advance. If Cohen taped the one meeting, got to think he taped many others, so if there is a tape of that session proving Trump DID know, then we finally have a direct contradiction that Mueller can act on and that COULD lead to impeachment for lying (still, it won't happen as long as Republicans hold the balance of power). Trump has always said "no collusion" as his go to, which isn't a 100% denial of his knowledge of meetings, just his spin that nothing of what happened ever benefitted him and his rise to the Presidency, so this flat out denial could sting worse. And we saw his backtracking on his intelligence community flip-flop after the Helsinki disaster. He reads from a prepared script saying "I 100% percent believe the intelligence that the Russians meddled" then looks up and adds "among many others, who can say, quite possible, and none of it affected the race". His ego is so large and so fragile he cannot bring himself to even allow the possibility that his election win is tainted buy outside influence, and he is sinking himself because of it. He has no conscience in my mind. He is a full blown egomaniac if not a borderline sociopath. blue_gold_84 and The Unknown Poster 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted July 30, 2018 Report Share Posted July 30, 2018 17 minutes ago, TrueBlue4ever said: Desperate, yes. Guilty conscience, I'd say not so much. He has high levels of arrogance combined with ignorance, but he lives in an alternate reality of wealth where he does what he wants (remember the whole Billy Bush "grab em by the [you know what], I forced myself on her like a b*tch, you get to kiss them, do whatever - when you're a big star you get away with whatever" and his "I could shoot somebody in Times Square and my approval would go up 5 points" mentality). He is now feeling heat he can't buy his way out of like his past lawsuits, and it upsets his sense of superiority. He has now flat out denied knowing about the Trump Tower meeting in advance. If Cohen taped the one meeting, got to think he taped many others, so if there is a tape of that session proving Trump DID know, then we finally have a direct contradiction that Mueller can act on and that COULD lead to impeachment for lying (still, it won't happen as long as Republicans hold the balance of power). Trump has always said "no collusion" as his go to, which isn't a 100% denial of his knowledge of meetings, just his spin that nothing of what happened ever benefitted him and his rise to the Presidency, so this flat out denial could sting worse. And we saw his backtracking on his intelligence community flip-flop after the Helsinki disaster. He reads from a prepared script saying "I 100% percent believe the intelligence that the Russians meddled" then looks up and adds "among many others, who can say, quite possible, and none of it affected the race". His ego is so large and so fragile he cannot bring himself to even allow the possibility that his election win is tainted buy outside influence, and he is sinking himself because of it. He has no conscience in my mind. He is a full blown egomaniac if not a borderline sociopath. I dont think he'd be subject to impeachment for lying since he has not lied under oath. Which is one of the reasons he's yet to meet with Mueller...once he does, he's far too likely to lie about something and then he's screwed. But I think he does know he's guilty, he just might not agree with it, like you said. He does what he wants and thinks he can do whatever he wants. Like Nixon said, its not illegal when you're the President. Unfortunately, that's not true. Rudy's word games plus speculation that Trump might have been in the meeting via speakerphone are a problem. I would believe fully that Trump believes there was nothing at all wrong with doing that. And this "defense" is pushing that narrative. If Cohen is believed and there were several people at a meeting where Trump gave the go ahead for the Russian meeting, all they need is one other person to corroborate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
do or die Posted July 30, 2018 Report Share Posted July 30, 2018 Why all this "collusion is not a crime" stuff peddled first by Hannity, months ago...and now by Giuliani. ....if, as we are told on an hourly basis.....that there was "no collusion"? Could it be, that what I am seeing and reading is not what’s happening Wanna-B-Fanboy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted July 30, 2018 Report Share Posted July 30, 2018 25 minutes ago, do or die said: Why all this "collusion is not a crime" stuff peddled first by Hannity, months ago...and now by Giuliani. ....if, as we are told on an hourly basis.....that there was "no collusion"? Could it be, that what I am seeing and reading is not what’s happening I think its two-fold. There is no law about collusion. The legal issue is conspiring to commit a crime, not colluding to commit a crime. The word "collusion" is thrown around because it describes the general acts of Trump and his campaign, not a specific crime. If Trump or his people were aware that Russia was offering to hack the election or the DNC to help Trump, its conspiracy to commit a crime. And then there is obstruction to cover that up. I think the "collusion is not a crime" stuff is 1) to create a narrative that working with Russia (or anyone) for dirt on your opponent is simply politics and not criminal. Rudy knows "conspiracy" is absolutely illegal but collusion is not a law so he's sort of saying the correct thing but he knows its just a word game. What he really means is "getting dirt on your opponent isnt a crime". They want the general narrative to be that they might have had meetings, might have accepted dirt, might have suggested to Russia to get that dirt and even timed its release but that's just politics as usual. I think to what end, Rudy's intent is to create a public sense that sure they did that, but so what? If he came out today and said "Trump conspired with Russia to hack the election to beat Hilary", he's screwed. So they play these games to slowly release that as a general sense of reality. They are, in essence, admitting it while at the same time, marketing their narrative that its no big deal. And I think the second part might be to draw a line between collusion and conspiracy. They know Mueller can't charge for collusion. So when the report is released, if it has charges, indictments or allegations against Trump, none of them will be "collusion" and Trump can claim victory..."see, there is no collusion", "See, final reports shows NO COLLUSION". And then their defense becomes "sure, we colluded, but we didnt conspire" while at the same time trading on their months of word games to say "this conspiracy charge is nonsense...as we said, collusion isnt a crime and its just politics" and it gives the base and the GOP something to rally around..."look, this is just politics as usual". They will have made "collusion" so meaningless that by the time it becomes conspiracy, they're controlling the messaging. It tells me that they absolutely expect to be charged or otherwise accused of conspiracy and obstruction. They are mounting their defense already. They will then say, if there is no collusion, there can be no conspiracy and if there is no conspiracy there can be no obstruction. Im not legal eagle, but thats my take. And its desperate. Mark F 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bustamente Posted July 30, 2018 Report Share Posted July 30, 2018 Rudy ramps up the crazy and those bugged out eyes are scary af, he is all over the place and his head is staring to spin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted July 31, 2018 Report Share Posted July 31, 2018 Art of the deal blue_gold_84 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted July 31, 2018 Report Share Posted July 31, 2018 (edited) 'An iPhone would be a more coherent president ..." here is the full segment- it's pretty bang on. Ode to the most deplorable potus. Edited July 31, 2018 by wanna-b-fanboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted July 31, 2018 Report Share Posted July 31, 2018 This is a good example of what I think Rudy is trying to do and why I think it’s a sign of desperation and a guilty conscience. In the meeting between Russia and Don Jr and Jared, Rudy made the distinction that trump was not physically there. That implies he was there via speakerphone which has been speculated. So that’s not good. On Fox News Rudy admits there were other meetings but he trips all over himself. He admits reported have come to him about these meetings but the news isn’t public yet. He made it public. They are trying to get in front of all damaging info. But in a sense they are showing themselves. Wanna-B-Fanboy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
do or die Posted July 31, 2018 Report Share Posted July 31, 2018 Saw Rudy this morning, tripping all over himself. Pretty hard for people who are incapable of telling the truth, to look or sound truthful. Compulsive spinning and lying, on the other hand....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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