bearpants Posted November 16, 2016 Report Share Posted November 16, 2016 1 hour ago, pigseye said: Westerman did not have a good year compared to last, the entire d-line was very average. According to Doug Brown, we did not run many stunts or twists for some reason, getting pressure with the front 4 didn't seem like a Hall priority. That's not entirely true... he didn't get the sack stats like he did last year... but he was equally as disruptive in the backfield and had many QB hits (probably too many penalties though)... JCon, MOBomberFan and Noeller 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noeller Posted November 16, 2016 Report Share Posted November 16, 2016 1 hour ago, bearpants said: That's not entirely true... he didn't get the sack stats like he did last year... but he was equally as disruptive in the backfield and had many QB hits (probably too many penalties though)... I've been wanting to make this exact point for awhile now. People keep talking about how so-and-so "wasn't as good as last year" but what they really mean is "he didn't have the same stats as last year". We don't know if they didn't play as well, or if they just didn't get the stats because their schemes changed or their role within the defense changed.....could be any number of things. Bigblue204 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest J5V Posted November 16, 2016 Report Share Posted November 16, 2016 16 minutes ago, Noeller said: I've been wanting to make this exact point for awhile now. People keep talking about how so-and-so "wasn't as good as last year" but what they really mean is "he didn't have the same stats as last year". We don't know if they didn't play as well, or if they just didn't get the stats because their schemes changed or their role within the defense changed.....could be any number of things. Do you think this was true of Ian Wild? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noeller Posted November 16, 2016 Report Share Posted November 16, 2016 I think Ian Wild played most of this season injured.... SPuDS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigseye Posted November 16, 2016 Report Share Posted November 16, 2016 3 hours ago, bearpants said: That's not entirely true... he didn't get the sack stats like he did last year... but he was equally as disruptive in the backfield and had many QB hits (probably too many penalties though)... 2015 CFL & Division All-Star; Named the Bombers Most Outstanding Player, Most Outstanding Defensive Player and Most Outstanding Canadian in 2015. Ranked second in the league in sacks with a club-leading 17 in 18 starts. Had at least one sack in 13 of 18 games and four with two each. Ranked first among all CFL defensive linemen with 61 tackles and led the team with eight tackles for loss. There is no argument to be made for what you say. Blueandgold 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbrg Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 Cause 30 interceptions normally happen without disrupting the quarterback. Fatty Liver and SPuDS 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOBomberFan Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 No kidding. We've heard of coverage sacks. There is such a thing as pressure interceptions. SPuDS and Bigblue204 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GCn20 Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 5 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said: Trestman isn't in the NFL. He was fired. He never would have become the Bears head coach had he not have had the success in Montreal that he had. Okay, stupid was the wrong word. I guess puzzling may have been the better term as the Argos would have opened the vaults to sign him. I believe he was fired with term remaining though. Unless he accepted a buy out already he cannot take a CFL job until after the Super Bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedFlex27 Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 (edited) 40 minutes ago, gcn11 said: I believe he was fired with term remaining though. Unless he accepted a buy out already he cannot take a CFL job until after the Super Bowl. I really like Marc Trestman. It may have sounded like I didn't but I really do. The CFL needs more guys like him & less of Jason Maas & Chris jones & their shenanigans. I was hoping he'd be back in some capacity with a CFL team like the Argos or the Als. The man is just a class act all around. Edited November 17, 2016 by SpeedFlex27 Spelling WBBFanWest, Rich, Tracker and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearpants Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 15 hours ago, pigseye said: 2015 CFL & Division All-Star; Named the Bombers Most Outstanding Player, Most Outstanding Defensive Player and Most Outstanding Canadian in 2015. Ranked second in the league in sacks with a club-leading 17 in 18 starts. Had at least one sack in 13 of 18 games and four with two each. Ranked first among all CFL defensive linemen with 61 tackles and led the team with eight tackles for loss. There is no argument to be made for what you say. None of this disproves my argument... I agreed his stats were not as good and admitted he took too many penalties... you're not going to get all-star nods based on QB hurries and O-line holding penalties (which he should have got WAY more called in his favour, some games he was held every play)... my point was simply that his play has not dropped as much as his stats suggest... Also, if Westerman put up the same stats this year, everything else being equal... do you still think he gets nominated for 3 team awards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 20 hours ago, Noeller said: I think Ian Wild played most of this season injured.... certainly the last part of the season. He was on a hell of a tear to start the year but then he got hurt and that's when people started to question him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpan85 Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 Sacks were down across the league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rex Posted November 18, 2016 Report Share Posted November 18, 2016 Bryant and medlock are both free agents come February...put those two at the top of the list to resign! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted November 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2016 8 minutes ago, rex said: Bryant and medlock are both free agents come February...put those two at the top of the list to resign! No they are not. EDIT: I stand corrected, my apologies good sir rex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigg jay Posted November 18, 2016 Report Share Posted November 18, 2016 1 minute ago, Mike said: No they are not. wbbfan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wbbfan Posted November 18, 2016 Report Share Posted November 18, 2016 1 minute ago, Mike said: No they are not. yes they are. as per kyle walters end season presser. They both renegotiated contracts mid season and do not have contracts for next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted November 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2016 Whaaaaaaaaaaaat Well then - I stand corrected. But that is not good for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wbbfan Posted November 18, 2016 Report Share Posted November 18, 2016 1 minute ago, Mike said: Whaaaaaaaaaaaat Well then - I stand corrected. But that is not good for us. he also says he is very very confident they will both be resigned before FA starts. they renegotiated contracts to save money. Sounds like we are gonna be tight next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpan85 Posted November 18, 2016 Report Share Posted November 18, 2016 Medlock did not look anywhere else last year I am sure it's just a formality he puts his name to a new deal. rex and wbbfan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wbbfan Posted November 18, 2016 Report Share Posted November 18, 2016 10 minutes ago, Jpan85 said: Medlock did not look anywhere else last year I am sure it's just a formality he puts his name to a new deal. yeah im sure he and bryant will be back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCon Posted November 18, 2016 Report Share Posted November 18, 2016 40 minutes ago, wbbfan said: yes they are. as per kyle walters end season presser. They both renegotiated contracts mid season and do not have contracts for next year. I'm curious why this was done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wbbfan Posted November 18, 2016 Report Share Posted November 18, 2016 Just now, JCon said: I'm curious why this was done? he said due to un expected expenses from injuries and players brought in along with running closer to the cap then any previous year they had to re work those 2 deals to save some cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCon Posted November 18, 2016 Report Share Posted November 18, 2016 Just now, wbbfan said: he said due to un expected expenses from injuries and players brought in along with running closer to the cap then any previous year they had to re work those 2 deals to save some cap space. That's interesting. I'm glad both sides agreed to it. I would like to be a fly on the wall of those talks. Well, any talks, actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted November 18, 2016 Report Share Posted November 18, 2016 4 minutes ago, JCon said: I'm curious why this was done? because this is what Kyle Walters did in free agency: and when guys started to get hurt they needed to bring in replacements and it probably got them too close to the cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wbbfan Posted November 18, 2016 Report Share Posted November 18, 2016 Just now, JCon said: That's interesting. I'm glad both sides agreed to it. I would like to be a fly on the wall of those talks. Well, any talks, actually. Yeah he said both bryant and medlock happily obliged. It certainly would be interesting. The cfl contracts are pretty mysterious. We see through out the year and pre season that chung is a pending FA turns out he isnt. These guys re work their deals and they end this year and no one hears a peep about it. Just now, 17to85 said: because this is what Kyle Walters did in free agency: and when guys started to get hurt they needed to bring in replacements and it probably got them too close to the cap. 2 years in a row no less. Can you imagine how F%^#&ED we would be if the 6 game wasnt revocable/salary cap immune? Doesnt seem to expect any thing nearly as flashy this year. but anticipates being able to bring back our guys and maybe look at a key fa or 2. Which at this point with our core is more then fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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