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5 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said:
Also says the Bombers didn't play Rourke. And never mentions they beat Rourke with their backup QB streveler.
The guy is one of the biggest homers in the "professional" media. I get being a bit of a homer....but at least be correct in your articles.riders have played basically a list of nobodies...and as usual....will hit their skid and swoon and lose 4..5..6 in a row again when they play legit teams after the 1st 3rd of season when everyone is dialed in....you can bank on that
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40 minutes ago, GCn20 said:
Tony Jones is currently the better MIKE than J.Jones whether some poster here want to hear it or not. J.Jones has the brighter future, but he isn't there yet. The only way some people are going to be happy with roster decisions is if everyone gets to dress on game day like preseason.
YOU OF all people who diss people on their views as saying its their personal opinion...and then you go say that statement??....wow....And J.Jones has already been successful in the league for several yrs....Earned his chops in 2022...had great season in 2023...got hurt part way in season in 2024...and was a ratio victim when Judge was signed...nice special teams tackles...7 sacks one yr...2 time grey cup champ...3 yrs younger...better measurables....better tackler....just better
36 minutes ago, wbbfan said:He isn't, though. tony jones is a pure liability in coverage. He's worse than biggie was. really, watch him in isolation on coverage plays. He never gets to the right depth or spot.
Also, JJones isn't some rookie. This is his 4th season, he's played 36 games in the cfl and started 18. Tony jones is 2 years older, been in the league 1 year longer, played 34 games and started 17.
yeah.....As soon as T.Jones was signed to a 2 yr deal...he was a lock...we couldhave had James West and Ty Jones clones in camp....and both would have took a back seat in Oshland
9 minutes ago, Goalie said:So both are just average really. Ppl talking about D changes when the D isn’t the problem will never end will it? I feel some of you think you can dress unlimited Americans on the roster when you know you can’t. Would I do jones for Jones? Prob not. I’d do j jones for Wilson tho. Get him off. Tony is around the ball atleast most plays. Kyrie is not. I’ll bet Jon jones is ok sitting and getting paid tho.
T.Jones is average....J.Jones is not....and not **** you can have only so many Americans...tell us something we dont know...Wilson offers more than T.Jones if he can stay healthy...Prob more than J.Jones too but there's that big if...If one could be removed to give us our best 3 outta Wilson..Ayer..T.Jones and J.Jones it's T .Jones
And he was invisible last game, and yeah at times he may seem to "be around the ball" in what context tho.?..its after yards are gained...in help clean up mode...or when teams went after him....he is lost in space...and doesnt range well lateral to attack and shut down a play for a loss or minimal yards...
All the grief Wilson gets in the first 2 games he has been the best linebacker....and offensive schemes against us have been away from him...T.Jones got a buttload of tackles the one game....but there was a reason he did too.....
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9 hours ago, Fatty Liver said:
Jon Jones is getting full pay to sit on the 1 game IR since June 11th, extended June 20th. He's not the only one, it appears they intend to abuse the hell out of it this season with that extra cash they did not spend.
Guys wanna play tho...also an opp to perform and up their dollars...careers are short and you can't do that without playing
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41 minutes ago, bigg jay said:
Yeah no rush but given his age, injury history and level of play prior to injury - I think there's a good chance he doesn't make the AR, bye week or not.
The injury he got...his age...when it happened last yr and the requirements of his position with stop...go...burst...cuts....I have a hard time seeing him being worth it now...if he even ready yet.....and if he has to be wearing a brace to compensate for it for first while....good luck with that....tough choice to make the hang em up decision....but he should have signed a one day deal...retired here and slid into the organization in some capacity
Wish him well in the attempt and grabbing some last dollars....but it prob gonna tarnish peoples last memories of his ability on field
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Just now, wbbfan said:
You can, but he has to agree to go on the IR. If hes not injured you cant make him go on the IR. Which is where he is, but he has to be updated roster wise this week.
yup....He may say no to that...as he knows he can play and then it's up to Osh as to what and who in "his opinion" is the better asset..now...and moving forward....and we all know how that will go
As soon as T.Jones was signed to a 2 yr deal it was basically cemented that he was then strting MLB this yr regardless of what transpired in camp...That's his way of doing things and how we got ourselves into the depth issues and the near non-existent back-up plan or guys capable or trusted to step in when needed...and this yr....nothings changed
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21 minutes ago, Fatty Liver said:
Ayers or Griffin are the logical choices.
Logical works just fine yup.....not so much when we have an illogical HC tho....
If I was coaching I'd swap out T. Jones for J.Jones this game and use a lot of Ayers and Wilson...for all Wilson's bad points (age/abilty to stay healthy) he still is a great sideline to sideline LB and posses pursuit....I can see Ford making T.Jones look silly in space and him not being able to track him down with angles or just plain sprint to the sideline
Healthy and available Wilson is still good, and I think he has played better over all than Jones too....he can do more anyway
4 minutes ago, wbbfan said:Ayers would be a great fit, but Griffin, I like, would be wasted. He's too good at coverage.
Broken record, I know, but I would try in practice using Shay/Smith in a rotating spy role. Not only can you use them as a spy, but you can put them in an intermediate zone, or cover hook/curl/flat stuff. That would also allow you to go with a full imp DL.
He should be a SAM or HB....He's so good....Bonds too was gonna mention in other thread...guy is legit good as well...and is super smart/aware out there...
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2 hours ago, wbbfan said:
I think some of this is caused by his reduced mobility. He doesn't have that escapability gear anymore. Combine that with being one of the most physically battered QBs of his generation, and you get panic in the backfield.
He's not late stages matt nichols, but mentally I don't think he has been able to adjust to the fact he cant frequently out run ends any more.
He plays more self preservation style now...so they need to customize a lot of stuff for a cerebral style now...he definitely doesn't get the ball out as fast as Strev either...its out of his hands lightning quick...once he gets more reps and a comfort level with the system and his receivers hes gonna be very effective...
1 hour ago, Goalie said:3 stars.
1. Griffin. Guy was seriously all over on D. Versatility is great.
2. Parker. Had a great game after being just ok last week. His fumble return was huge. Play of the game.
3. Wheatfall. I don’t think he missed a pass. Caught every ball thrown his way. Dudes becoming lawler.  
HH. Eli for sure. I popped for the TD.
HHH. Since it’s all about the game and how you play it here, I’m gonna give this one to Holm who had 8 tackles.
crunch of the game. Bridges on the BC receiver. That was nice. Awe on Peterson was big also. I love players who celebrate when losing lol.
and gotta mention cooley who had a 6.1 yard average on 7 carries. Was better than Peterson actually
all in all. 2 and 0. And season series. And 2 and 0 vs west. And let’s be real. Edmonton isn’t great, Sask is barely beating bad teams and Calgary? I dunno what to think. In my opinion. Winnipeg and AND AND the Als are the top 2 and then it’s a bunch of just average.
Cooley runs with speed and violence in traffic...and can still side step guys...he is definitely gonna pop some long runs out of the scrum if he gets more opportunities
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1 hour ago, Goalie said:
Man. Got Neufeld confused with lofton. I did a Saskatchewan roughriders preseason 2 announcer thing where I confused a white man with a black man. Good lord.
after watching again, oline seemed ok actually, BC aren’t exactly slouches defensively. And back to back makes it tougher. Zach started on fire but ended in flames. I’d get Mitchell on tho for sure because I think he’d want to prove something to Edmonton but Sterns seems to be a guy Zach likes. and prob Bailey instead of Weitz and leave it as is unless Brady good to go. Then you can take off Cooley and add your extra DE Like person who seems to be a hybrid type of guy who can rush the qb and drop into lb coverage. Versatility would seem to be a good thing. Dude should get a chance.
it’s funny tho. Thought Zach would light it up cuz seems like he’s got the chip on the shoulder from the suspension but, he didn’t. And he’s still making dumb throws into double coverage and under throwing guys. Zach making rookie mistakes. The mistakes we half expected Streveler to make. If comparing Zach and Strev after 2 games, Streveler looked much better.
You have all your teeth and didn't marry your cousin so don't be hard on yourself lol
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J.Jones would be the active linebacker to us in a quasi spy scheme...Thinking of T.Jones chasing around after Ford already has given me nightmares
I dont believe last yr we really did a spy per say did we?
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10 hours ago, wbbfan said:
Considering bc has a good talented dl, I think the pass pro was far better than adequate. You just don’t get games with no hits no pressures on a regular basis.
Also, some of his worst throws came with time and a clean pocket. I don’t think a better performance by the ok would’ve changed any thing. He chucked ducks with lots of time and open guys.
No one’s throwing the ball down field on the regular when the wr is already 40 yards out. You’d need to be throwing 70yards down field to hit a guy in stride with the ball out of your hand at a target 40 yards down field.
3-4 seconds is what you aim for, but’s that’s ball out at 20 ish yards and including stepping up and getting it out.
If you watch the advanced feed from tsn, they show the pocket time on the snaps. Zach had lots of 3-4 second pockets, and wasn’t seeing pressure in less than 2.5.ZC has picked up a bad habit of when getting panicked or pressure starts to get a lil chaotic of just chucking it.....and not away but into trouble....and or for picks
And seeing as he is reluctant to run....and reams know it they put the pressure on. He used to able to navigate the pocket more and buy time without running, but last 2 yrs he has seemed to have lost that knack..
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3 hours ago, Brandon said:
I didn't say he played well, I said he looked healthy. Some folks on here made it out that he was playing like a crippled person with a cane in week 1. He was mobile and he had no issues throwing the ball quickly. Physically he looked decent to me.
yeah Masoli looked capable and not like he needed a walker....
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53 minutes ago, Goalie said:
I’d consider making some changes this week with the only dangerous when mobile and improvising ford at QB. Jon Jones would get in. I’d get Mitchell on this week also (something about playing old teams theory) Kyrie can come out. I’d get vanterpool in for Randolph. Wallace was fine. Randolph and Bryant struggled and it had nothing to do with the center. That’s just hilarious honestly. Bryant getting beat isn’t cuz of Kolo.
Randolph tho gives me takes plays off vibes where vanterpool does not. Cooley looked good. He can stay on. Not sure how you make it all work ratio wise but on would be J Jones, Vanterpool Mitchell. Off would be Kyrie Randolph and prob Sterns. Then you get Bailey on for Weitz cuz backup end is needed desperately with the aging ends we start. I’d consider benching Jefferson honestly for 1 game and inserting person. Thomas shouldn’t be getting 70 percent of the starters reps either. I’d also, Tony Jones leaves a lot to be desired honestly. I dunno. Yeah tackles but most are after yards gained it seems. I just think he’s average. Why not Ayers at Wil J Jones in the middle. Kramdi for ratio purposes. Griffin and the cdn kids backing up.Bryant got beat bad...maybe once...and yeah that's a maybe...and obviously you don't understand how an oline works...starting from center...he fucks up...it makes issues for the guys outside of him...whether u belive that or not
As for WJ...that bc olineman is a turd...When WJ went up for a pass knockdown on the td the olineman tried to lift him higher to toss him...and couldn't and WJ threw him to the ground...that's from some players mouths btw...not my "opinion " and when I went to the rewatch you can see the oline guy attempt it...and it cut away...but u see WJ toss him down...and he didnt like it and started the scrum
I hopefully will get a peak at the all 24 but I doubt WJ gets any discipline for that
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55 minutes ago, Goalie said:
Everything you guys say Osh does, you appear to do the same thing. It’s pretty wild the narrative you constantly push when it appears you and Osh are similar actually. You have your guys who you think are all stars in the making and Osh has his guys who he thinks are. It’s actually just so repetitive at times it’s insane. Not talking you specifically here but making up **** now is just another level. @Tracker wtf dude seriously. ******* Fox News junkie much?
What did I make up? And yes Osh was "influenced" to sit Willy and go with Nichols...if that's what you referring to
I don't think Osh evaluates everything he should at times with some players...what he values sometimes doesn't make the player better...with the majority of the gripes I have it's all about skill...skillset...upside..and actual ability...there are currently probably 5 spots i can think of on this roster where we could be so much better and it's with guys in house...but we don't get to see it..and prob 2 or 3 holdovers we could have got rid of and been no worse for wear and likely better and have possible upside too....but around here in a lot of instances...membership has it's privileges...so to say
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21 minutes ago, deepsixemtoboyd said:
Disagree that protection was the issue last night. Collaros had adequate time for the most part (was he even sacked?) and was going through his progressions. With the two pics, he threw off his back foot. Rainbow throws. The fact that he doesn’t eat those or throw it out of bounds is not on the oline.
Yup...I rewatched and the line wasn't an issue like some make it out to be...it was more a ZC issue..the ones that were apparent last yr already
14 minutes ago, Noeller said:Was sacked at least once and rushed a few times. I think JBRs point (and forgive me if I'm wrong here) is that maybe Zach needs better than "adequate time" in the pocket to be lethal. I still believe he has the ability... But he needs more around him than he did in 2022 when he lit the world on fire. Now, you can have the debate about "he's making too much money to need that much help" debate all you want, but the point remains... He needs a very specific set of tools to be truly successful.
And that's the indicator in a player...especially at QB that they have or are in regression...
1 minute ago, deepsixemtoboyd said:OK, so we’re agreed that his skills are diminished. And, it would appear he needs quite a bit of help just to be more than meh, let alone “lethal”.
I think that his own diminishment is by far the biggest factor in his struggles and that the o-line was definitely good enough yesterday for a good quarterback to be successful. And he was…on one drive.
After that, not so much.The bombers need a plan, immediate and mid to longer term, that takes their starter’s diminished skills into account. Maybe they have one. But if the best predictor of future behaviour is past behavior, the bombers’ plan is likely to ride this veteran way too long (exhibit a: see one Adam Bighill).
Exactly what I touched on...the fact to we resigned him site unseen for 2026 as well was a bone head move
His scripted first drive was good...after...hit and miss and the hits were not elite qb style hitting
And we are saddled with Osh who will stick with a vet/fav/bias as long as they not in a wheel chair...and that's not good either
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1 hour ago, Mike said:
Honestly I love the Biggie signing because now it means we can’t
That was my biggest fear haha
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4 minutes ago, wbbfan said:
Zach is like an old race horse. He can still give er (we hope) but he’s easily spooked. I wonder if that’s why we stopped the jet motion last year. Zach doesn’t like the pocket to move.
Appears that way...don't like change...old man syndrome hahaha
I hope each game Strev gets some series and or extended reps after short yardage...I think we gonna need him...and need him sharp
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Just now, wbbfan said:
I’d argue Zach has more wear on him than those guys. But he’s also had more career Collapses and come backs than all those guys combined.
I’m certain he has some throwing arm/hand stuff that isn’t healing.
Zach had a great arm at his best. He was really reliant on his zip and ability to drop a rainbow over the defence to compensate for his struggles to run the short passing game.
He hit incredible windows in the past with great frequency. He wasn’t bishop flicking his wrists from his knees and sending it 70 yards down field, but his arm was damn good. Khari was similar, but he lost the touch on the ball, and he could always hit the short game.Either zach is rusty and still adjusting, or he’s gonna need to completely revamp his game to be more of a cerebral field general.
The motion we use with our lineman now also seemed to mess him up...he was seeing ghosts i think...Strev didnt have issue with that
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2 minutes ago, deepsixemtoboyd said:
Well, he’s definitely not getting better! He’s seven years on the wrong side of 30. His arm strength and escapability have both diminished, even considerably.
And Osh will ride him to the bitter end.Strev, 7 yrs younger, was light years better last week.
I think ZC also now is a bit skittish mentally and spooks too easily now...well since 2023 when he got popped in that edm game...his slide started after he got back from that and hes never looked the same..well not consistently or sustainably
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1 hour ago, SpeedFlex27 said:
It would be disappointing if a 350 lb guard like Wallace turned out to be useless.... that would be a killer but so far so good. He's a keeper. Line up the Brinks truck, Walters to pay the guy next season. You can't let this guy walk.
Yup...he also seeks and destroys in second level...Dobson was lost
1 hour ago, Tracker said:If the apocryphal story about Walters having to come down and order O'Shea to bench the obviously struggling Nichols and put Collaros in is true, it says something very concerning about O'Shea's judgement and seems to foreshadow many of the decisions that have concerned most in this forum since then. O'Shea does many things well, but this foible is a deal-breaker in my opinion. In my career, I assessed people and there is a rule: the best predictor of future behaviour is past behaviour. O'Shea is at the age where his personality structure is set, and he is unlikely to change how he operates.
Was Vanterpool not touted as an eventual replacement for Big Stan? And that day seems to be not all that far away, judging from yesterday's game.
Bryant wasn't bad at all..sure he had a couple moments but that will happen...especially when the guard is compensating for a center...it radiates out...if say a guard had cheated over and isn't where the tackle expected him to be and looks to have been beaten inside expecting help from guard...well it looks bad for tackle but not necessarily so
14 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:WTF are you talking about? Nichols was knocked out of that season months before they traded for Collaros. Collaros was here for a week before he started the second game he was here for.
This whole manufacturing of narratives to be over the top negative has to stop. I know our fanbase can't handle winning.
I think he meant Nichols for Willy and that's accurate.
Osh gets too attached to certain guys...like a bad stock trader...don't fall in love with a stock and know when to sell...osh needs to do that with players
And I truly don't think he is the best evaluator of talent sometimes...values some characteristics at times over talent or usefulness
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4 minutes ago, Brandon said:
Butler was super effective as a dump off receiver in the back field back in 2022. It appears Pierce hasn't watched the tape from back then when it worked.
If you have the game on PVR or have the link on YouTube re watch Thomas. I watched for him on every play and he was getting rag dolled and tossed around with ease. I think he pushed back Couture only twice in the whole game, otherwise he was getting flinged around with great ease.
Yeah...that's pretty much it...on the Holm int i believe..Lawson had penetration and vaughters came thru and drilled masoli...Thomas got engaged and thrown to the turf...one of many instances...he serves zero effectiveness out there...1...maybe 2 plays a game is not optimal...that's being generous too..
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32 minutes ago, wbbfan said:
Yup.
Any one saying the ol was bad has lost it. Bcs guys won the battle a couple times, they have a good dl that happens. Edm will do similar next week. But over all they played well. Kola was kola, but the rest played well. Randolph is a nice upgrade over Lofton and only gonna get better. Wallace is gonna be an animal with a good chunk of starts.
Taking vanterpool off sucks, but imp guards are rare and a luxury. We are wasting way to many roster spots to afford that right now.
Having an imp ol on the pr who can step in and be maybe your best ol is extremely fortunate. Keep grooming him as a T and we will have it made in the shade.Finished re-watch.. the oline was fine...B.C has a real good dline and a real good rotation...we lost a few battles but they did fine...and will be better as they get more used to their multiple blocking schemes we use...we are very active on oline this yr
12 minutes ago, Arnold_Palmer said:Yeah that was selfish, also no need to even call a pass on that play. Run some more clock, punt on third down and end the game. That stuff matters to the D, who played a hell of a game.
Or do what Streveler did and throw a ball in dirt and not jeopardize a turnover in our own end
12 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:The end was on a free run through B gap on the side he was reading even with the hold.
That's not time to throw.
Yeah...we got beat a few times...that happens but overall they played fine
Zc should have ate it or threw in stands...that's a rookie error he made
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this is the time of year and games where we "should" be trying some thigs...moving some pieces....seeing best fit and our best roster...not the status quo stand pat becai=use we won....or because a guy has been here years...or what Osh had said earlier "you look at old film and see what he can do" as thats not a good way of evaluation...looking backwards