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2 minutes ago, 17to85 said:
We routinely played more Canadians than required so does it matter if we don't use the advantage?
And Osh refuses to use the designated import on the roster for reasons I cannot understand.
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On 2025-11-15 at 6:08 PM, voodoochylde said:
I love Brady and the fact that he’s a Winnipegger but his salary is a luxury at the leagues most replaceable position.
I said it in 24 when he earned the contract, I’ll say it again now: if I was building a roster RB is not the position I’d blow my wad on.
There are guys out there who can do what he does .. who don’t HAVE to do what he does .. and could (more than adequately) fill the role while allowing us to address other areas of the roster.
Depending on the source, RB's are 7th - 9th in terms of the average salary in the NFL by position group. Reasons - overall impact and availability of replacement players. You pay QB's, impact DL's, WR's, all star OL. I get CFL has differences ... Canadians are paid a premium ... we all love Brady ... But still, football is football. It's just bad salary cap management to pay an RB one of the highest salaries on any team.
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1 minute ago, Booch said:
but if the HC at end of yr and in FA tells his G.M this is who he wants....yadda yadda yadda....the G.M should trust in him....not create rifts....Walter's and Osh are both to blame....100%....Walter's more so in not being more the "boss"....but then that also falls on Miller too
End of the day Osh picks the roster, and cant be argued he picks some bad choices....so it's his team...he also makes the dumb decisions and poor judgement....in charge of the unprepared team more times than we can count, and rarely able to answer with adjustments....Walter's biggest blinder was not dumping him last yr...lesson learned I guess
I'm 90% in agreement with everything you said. Disagree that any GM should "trust" any HC about who he wants in free agency, etc. Not his job, not their skill sets. You know well that all coaches have biases, friendships with players, loyalties. And some of that is necessary. Sometimes it gets dysfunctional, like Osh. A pro sports GM is about talent acquistion, retention, cap management, projecting 1 year and 5 years down the road. Not happy, clappy feelings bonding with players like Osh seems to have as his main focus. It's about winning championships. Again, a GM should say thanks for your input HC, now let me do my job and try to build a championship roster and coaching staff, which may or may not include you.
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15 minutes ago, GCn20 said:
I'm not defending MOS here, I am simply stating that KW facilitated and allowed all of this to go on. He is every bit as guilty as MOS for Jake Thomas still playing. Every bit. All coaches have players they tend to live in the past with, most competent GMs make that player go away to save the coach from himself. The coach can only play the players the GM provides. Don't want JT playing, don't sign JT. That was always KW's choice to make.
You make a valid point - if JT wasn't signed by Walters, problem solved. I think most here agree Walters has failed in talent acquistion and retention. To me his biggest failure was allowing Osh too much input into this area. In your scenario, given how Osh touts "his guys" to the media it wouldn't surprise me if he lobbied Walters hard to resign JT and other vets who should have been gone. I have heard Walters say in the media that he and Osh have had some heated player debates before, and at times Osh "pounded the table" for certain players. I think he was referencing the CFL draft, but if that's the dynamic, it's not limited to the draft.
Simple solution, and the right solution, would be to say no. To do your job as a GM, thank the head coach for their input, and remind them that you are the boss. Generally speaking that's how successful pro teams in all sports work. Collaborative, but a head coach should stick to coaching. I don't think it's happening here. Walters and maybe Miller too have failed in that regard.
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1 hour ago, TBURGESS said:
Brady is already overpaid for his position. When we rested him at the end of the season, his backup looked pretty damn good at less than half the bucks. Good for him if he wants to chase the money. RB's careers are short, and they should make the most while they can, but we shouldn't be players at anything more than he's being paid right now.
Re: Eli... Some folks seem to think that Eli has to be better than our starting centre, likely because he's suboptimal, but the coaches who see him every day disagree. Blame it on MOS they say. The facts are Eli's been here 5 years. He's started a few games, and he's the extra OL. MOS says he lets his coaches do their jobs, so I'd say that means the OL coach is the one who isn't starting Eli, not MOS.
Why is the debate between who is the better option between Eli and Kolo? Probably Eli, but the real issue is our Oline needs a serious upgrade. Center, one tackle and one guard at least. Whether it's through free agency, draft, trade or scouting, we're going nowhere with the current state of the Oline.
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1 hour ago, SpeedFlex27 said:
That's crazy. Brady's the heart & soul of this team. Someone is going to pay him $$$ to leave if we don't as he's in his prime. If he was 30 or 31, I'd agree but he's not. You want a 3-15 season? Then that's the way to do it.
I like Brady. And I like the Winnipeg connection. But good teams, NFL and CFL, don't tend to overpay RB's any longer. Supply and demand. Decent RB's are plentiful. There were 5 other 1000 yard rushers in the CFL last year. I think all, or at least 4, made less $ than Brady. Plus there's Scott in Montreal who ran over our D in the semi final who looks like a 1000 yd rusher. Someone will pay him, I just wouldn't if I were a GM. I'd rely on my scouting department (if I had a decent one, not sure Bombers do now) to find me a new crop of American RB's every year to pick from and pay them accordingly.
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4 minutes ago, Tracker said:
That's why we need the GM and/or BOD to step forward and wield an axe. Mille has shown himself to be pretty astute but he has to show that O'Shea's and Hogan's performances are worthy of dismissal.
Has Walters gone MIA? I'm waiting for his presser. If he comes across as towing the line, maintaining the status quo for next year, we're sunk. If we bring back the same core I honestly think we'll be last in the CFL. I'm not expecting full transparency if Walters is planning big changes, but I'm hoping for some hints as a glimmer of hope.
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23 minutes ago, bustamente said:
WTF are we dressing 10 linebackers this team lacks a pass rush especially when they decide to field 3 d linemen
Every other team playing this week is dressing 8 d linemen. But hey, when you're last in the CFL regular season in sacks (23), you dress 6, a bunch of special teamer LB's, and hope JT has his once in a lifetime Aaron Donald game.
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19 hours ago, GCn20 said:
That's what these guys here who profess to have played the game don't have a hot clue about when it comes to coaching. I suppose selfish, me first players might see it differently but they generally have very short careers. Guys who are truly professional and put the team first have no issues whatsoever with coaches that reward hard work and effort and it absolutely is key to building a winning culture. If you want to reward talent over character all the time you will have the Craig Dickenson RIders. A team full of me first guys that cannot win. Easy for us armchair coaches to sit back and say Player X is marginally more talented than Player Z and therefore that should be the only consideration, and that's why we are not professional coaches, because if that's your only consideration when making the lineup you will be the worst coach in CFL history.
I coached for many years and had an open door policy with my players. Had hundreds of discussions with players about lineups and who was starting who wasn't. The overwhelming majority of concerns that players had if I was making a lineup wasn't about me dressing/starting a lesser talent. Quite the opposite, players would come to me and tell me so and so isn't working hard and his backup is busting his nuts, you should dress that guy instead. Players value other players putting in the work, and for the most part, their talent level is less important. That is as true a locker room statement as there is. Anyone saying different is either lying about being in a dressing room, or is oblivious and the guy that other players were saying should sit.
Over the years I've had the opportunity to speak to a lot of JT's team mates. To a man they view him as their Rudy Reuttiger because he gives 100% all the time. That being said, he probably gets more reps than he should at this point in his career, but playing him is not as big an issue as some here make it out to be. He's a glue guy.
I coached youth football for years, so I am definitely not an expert, or close, on anything related to football. But, the best teams I coached had the most talented players. Full stop. It was a bonus if those players also were "character, good in the room" guys, but often were not. And often the "character" players were great as back ups or positive energy bench guys. I posted before, a pro team can't be full of only narcissistic a-holes. But it needs elite talent, and if some of them are, that's why you're a pro coach! To manage egos, conflict, talent. This Bombers team is really lacking in elite talent. How many will make the all CFL team, or even West division all star team? The blame is shared between Walters, who has fallen asleep at the wheel, and Osh who seems to think character trumps talent. This is the least fun Bombers team to watch I've seen in 20 years.
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2 hours ago, Tracker said:
I'm a big believer in second chances, but Kelly's personality and track record indicates that this is his core personality and unlikely to change. He might suppress it for a while under duress, but leopards and spots...
I agree that Kelly (Chad) is likely too big of a risk due to the off field stuff. But, I also hope the Bombers move away from "good in the room" and "character" as the top criteria for retaining or obtaining players. That's how we end up with former Marines and endless years of Jake Thomas. Talent first if you want to win. Don't want a room full of headcases, but I'll take a few super talented ones. Especially on a team that really lacks high end talent like the Bombers.
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11 minutes ago, wbbfan said:
bob tweeted paraphrasing from mos, I guess coaches show was last night? And apparently mos hates all the rule changes.
Not surprised. Dude still can't comprehend the designated nationalized American rule, and is reviewing Streveler game film from 2019.
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1 hour ago, GCn20 said:
Players play better we win the last 3 Grey Cups. Who we rostered in those games, with the exception of 2023 GC, to some extent, was not the reason we lost those games. In each and everyone of our last 3 Grey Cups we are 3-4 bad plays and a QB injury away from winning all of them. I guess my point is that if anyone thinks that the decision to keep Fatboi on the roster makes much of a difference in the grand scheme than they are letting the players off the hook if we lose.
In limited reps he does not hurt us at all. Last year he got thrown into the fray due to injuries to others and it is unfair to paint that as a coaching error. It's like saying MOS is stupid for starting Strev this week over Zac because Zac is better. The better players is not available. If Lawson is healthy last year we aren't even talking about JT right now.
Yup. I'm a critic of Osh's roster decisions, and I think Jake should have retired/been released two seasons ago. But, if anyone thinks that JT is the reason we lost 3 Grey Cups, or that a DT's impact on the game is so great it determines championships (Aaron Donald maybe), you're off base. We lost those games primarily because our star players - marquee star QB primarily - came up short. And, because we made some dumb coaching decisions in game vs only in setting the roster (let's let our star QB, who has been playing poorly, continue in the game when a finger on his throwing hand has almost been amputated). Baffling.
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41 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said:
Murphy was an odd pick imo. Didn't play special teams at all, didn't really have any tangibles that set him apart as far as I'm aware. Always thought it was an odd pick, especially in the 3rd round. oh well, good luck to him in his future endeavors.
I watched him play a lot in RSEQ. 3rd round was a bit high, but he was also very productive in the RSEQ. Real clutch WR with great hands and could catch in traffic. But, he wasn't a big play game breaker like Kevin Mital was. Still, I'm surprised he wasn't a rotational WR in the CFL. Maybe he could have been on the Redblacks, but he's moved on. Good for him.
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15 hours ago, JuranBoldenRules said:
I'd expect to get 3-4 guys who can play this year. The OL group is probably the deepest since 2019. Talking about guys who will end up in the CFL. There's a **** load of good edge/3 technique guys for DL. Including the BYU guy who has potential to drop into a spot where he'd be a real steal based on how he's turned off the personnel guys in both leagues. There's a ton of very good DB's. There's a solid receiver group, although some guys in both receiver/DB group might get a good look in the NFL.
I kind of wonder what other teams are prioritizing. There's a chance for the Bombers in the first round, remembering BC's pick is off the board and added back to the end of the 1st round to Calgary, to grab a real impactful DL, a OL who could play this year, or a starting receiver IMO. Like if I'm Walters and our pick comes around, Ethan Jordan still on the board, don't think I could pass on him. That guy is a star.
I watched a lot of RSEQ football again this past season. Not as many high end prospects coming out of there this year as previously. However, I'd be shocked if Jeremiah Ojo doesn't turn into at least a solid rotational DL in the CFL. Tested really well at the combine, and was really dominant in RSEQ. He reminds me of Josh Archibald, who is now with the Alouettes, but I'd say he's quicker. If Kyle Walters is reading this, pick him, and you're welcome.
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It's baffling to me not just because it reeks of being a "one of Osh's guys" type of signing. It also says that Walters and Osh evaluated the talent they currently have, what's out there as FA's, draft, and think Jake is a better option, starter or rotational. Based on talent he was barely a rotational option compared to who we had on the roster last year. This is really disappointing.
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20 minutes ago, Booch said:
For a coach who gives off the old school, hard a$$ vibe to the media, he sure caves when it comes to confronting veterans about playing. ZC should have never went back into the game, whether he wanted to or not. Osh made the decision that a QB who could not grip a ball was a better choice than a healthy, able to scramble, back up QB. A pro also, who was part of the "everyone is a starter" gang. 2023 GC - did the same with Biggie and Schoen. It's baffling and infuriating. He'll survive this, but you have to wonder when it ends for Osh.
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21 minutes ago, Super Duper Negatron said:
Oh my god I just realized, the finger injury is Osh's alibi this year isn't it. No changes will be made and we will have learned nothing.
Yup. And his quote in the 3downnation article “We put him in a very tough spot,” O’Shea said at the podium. “It was a situation he demanded to be put in.” So, being a head coach means that players get to make playing demands, and you listen? Even when he admittedly can't grip a football and his finger is numb? Then throws two int's? Hey I'm not team Terry Wilson, but in that situation I'd take my chances with a guy who doesn't have a stitched up, bleeding throwing hand, and at least can run!
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6 minutes ago, 17to85 said:
I think they need to consider free agency for some spots as well.
Agreed! Seems like in the past few years we've been reluctant to dip into the impact FA or trade pool because ... keeping the band together, messing with chemistry, only "bad" teams do that, I don't know. It's BS. If you're smart about it, and cut some high priced veteran talent that isn't giving you value at present, you can strategically add some big pieces. Something like Argos did adding Ceresna. Can you imagine how he would have impacted he would have had on our D line? I'm really disappointed with Walters actually.
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Just now, Booch said:
Osh won't change...he will continue to lean on out dated vets...play favs of his over better talent...won't allow new blood to step up unless it's an injury...won't deviate because it worked before...
I hope not. I’m tired of this version of the team. I can’t get excited about the prospect of Biggie, Jake, Alexander, even ZC back for 2025
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Win or lose, there needs to be significant changes on this team next year
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2 hours ago, JuranBoldenRules said:
What do you base this on...when you say coaches should clearly make the opposite decision? Think about it for a second. You haven't even seen Eli play centre in the CFL.
Yeah this an appeal to authority but Eli is nothing special even in the roles he's playing. Watch him try to pass protect the edge when they run the 6 OL max protect sets. He can't move laterally at all. He comes in at guard and he's getting beat with strength and inside rips/swims because his feet don't move with him at all. Yeah he can lock onto a run block or support the play side double teams on wide zone looks. I just don't understand what the thinking is that somehow he's going to be a difference maker. Kolankowski is the 3rd guy they've played at C over him and even had Dobson getting reps in pre-season over him. They clearly don't see him as a viable option as anything but a fill-in to get out of a game at centre, likely any spot.
I'm kind of surprised Wallace didn't get a shot in Toronto at G because he looks a lot more physically capable in an athletic sense in those heavy set reps he gets. His hips were a little concerning in pre-season getting to his assignments in pass pro by turning rather than firing his feet. But he's had 3 months of reps now.
I think we’re basically agreeing. I don’t think Eli has shown much either yet. And, I said if he clearly had in practices, meetings, pretty sure the other coaches would be lobbying harder for him.
I don’t think Kolo is a great center. Below average. So why not try Eli based in part to his pedigree - Remington trophy consideration - over Kolo?
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6 hours ago, Booch said:
Kolo isnt our best option but we stuck with him cause Osh thinks he's all that
some see it....but again is what it is,,,,and this is exactly it....guy was on scrap heap for 2 yrs....nobody wanted....and we never know what we have in this regime as guys never get a true chance....many here can argue it all they want but it's a fact
100% agree that Eli should be starting over Kolo. And no debate that Osh makes many baffling roster decisions. I do wonder though if there's a bit more to him not starting than just Osh. OL coach, OC, even the DC and DL coaches give some input as to who they see as the best options. OL coach and OC give a lot of input on all teams. You have to wonder why they're not seemingly beating the Eli drum as hard as we fans are. Maybe they're seeing something in practices they don't like? Blown assigments, communication, conditioning ... just guesses. I get it, head coach has final say. But you know that in football the assistant coaches and especially coordinators are really vocal about player choices. And one final thing - if Eli was clearly blowing away Kolo in practice, regularly pancaking DL's, he'd be starting. I just think that although he's better than Kolo, the margin isn't massive. At least at present.
Blue Bombers -- 2025/26 Offseason -- Discussion Thread
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I'm a broken record about this but RB's are about 7th to 9th in terms of average salary paid by position in the NFL due to availability of replacement level talent and overall impact. Why are we going against a trend run by much smarter and wealthier football organizations? Don't tell me it's because he's Canadian. Yes Canadians get a premium in terms of salary, but a smart team should still be paying that premium at the impact positions based on the bigger, smarter NFL - Dline; WR's; all star OL; QB's if you have a unicorn Canadian star (hopefully we might). This was a decision to appease the fans who value the local community impact over good cap management.