M.Silverback
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2 hours ago, Booch said:
have u ever played football?...and realize u can't stop on a dime, or make an abrupt 90 degree turn?...you play the play....and shouldnt be penalized for it on a bang bang play...U can also see BA actually didn't fully follow through on that hit....used a perfect shoulder tackle, kept head and helmet out of it and didnt target the head...was a crap cheap call.
If the ball was jarred loose with the same hit, and a turnover resulted would the player be flagged for being too mean and tough??..gimme a break...thats football man...hard nosed football...these players know what they signed up for...
I played safety, coach defense, and can 100% say when that type of play happened, vulnerable WR, there was some "intent" on my part to rock the WR. And it was a choice. Split second, but still a choice. Wrap up, proper tackle - or try to take someone's head off with my shoulder.
And I know it's not popular to agree with TBurg on this forum, but he's right about D-linemen learning to let up because of rule changes, particularly in the NFL. Watch old NFL QB clips. Split second they let go of the ball they are f'ing rocked every time. Every NFL lineman now knows how to let up a bit when the ball is released. Wrap up, take them to the ground. Versus take their head off with your shoulder. So why can't a DB make a choice? Still hard contact, but he could have chosen a proper technique tackle, versus just a hockey shoulder pop to the head.
And a hockey body check is not a "perfect shoulder tackle". That's terrible tackling technique overall. Where's the wrap up? Where's the getting low, between thighs and ribs and driving through the ball carrier? And if Alexander used proper tackling technique he may still have hurt Daniels - because football is, and should be a physical game - but probably wouldn't have given him a concussion.
At the end of the day, not sure what we're debating. Penalty or not? No debate. As number one Keith Urban fan Suits said about the Loffler hit, "in today's game, that's going to be called".
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37 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:
A play like that last maybe 5 seconds tops from the snap of the ball. Defense doesn't know where the ball is going & you call it premeditated? What is Alexander, a serial killer as well? A hit man for the Mafia? Give your head a shake. All you do is ***** & complain.
I keep quibbling over “intentional”. This wasn’t Sean Payton bounty gate I’ll pay players to put someone out intentional or premeditated. It was a split second decision like said, from a player who plays the right way.
But it was also a “dangerous” decision. If you’ve played, you know he could have let up. He’s was going for the big pop, and unfortunately caught a WR in the head. Scheifele did in the Jets playoffs. Different sport, but same “bad” decision in a split second.
Like it or not, dangerous head shot equals penalty minimum, possible fine.
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1 hour ago, Stickem said:
..Do you start throwing fines at every player who made a tackle and the recipient had to leave the field.....That's just nonsense and not the game of football I want to watch...
No. Just for dangerous head shots that put a player out. Like this one was. And I too love the contact and physicality of football. And players get injured all the time in the course of the game. If Derrick Henry runs over a DB trying to make a legit tackle and that DB gets a concussion, that’s football.
But I’m glad the Jack Tatum head hunting type plays have decreased. Watching old NFL footage of dangerous mostly intentional head shots makes me cringe now.
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28 minutes ago, Stickem said:
Bull$hit......I don't expect any fine BUT if that happens there better be fines issued in every game played for playing the game the way players are taught....to hit and hit hard...
I'm not 100% convinced it was premeditated, but I'm 100% convinced it was dangerous, enough to knock a player out of a game. That's a penalty, and maybe a fine.
I coach youth, high school. Son plays USports football. Players are taught to be aggressive, strong tacklers. Not to take head shots. First, because it's dangerous to the player being hit, and often the hitter. Second, no coach wants a bunch of 15 yard penalties, or worse a player being suspended. Teams that get a lot of those type of penalties are poorly coached.
Actually, you try to teach players the technique in the Seahawks video - strong, aggressive, wrap up tackles. Not this dive at the knees, or lining up a player with some kind of big shoulder hockey-body-check bull$hit tackles. Those are ineffective. And if you try it on Derrick Henry, he's running right over you. Wrap up, take the player to the ground. Watch some high end rugby.
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52 minutes ago, TrueBlue4ever said:
The slow mo certainly highlights the head contact, inadvertent as it may have been. Not a dirty hit, but dangerous in that the receiver was engaged with another defender and Alexander had a free shot at him with the ball out of play. Whether that SHOULD be considered just a tough hit or a penalty in the fan’s eyes is up for debate (as we have seen) but the league certainly is skewing that way with their rules’ alterations in the last few years.
That's the key point - it was penalized because it was a dangerous hit. Not necessarily dirty. Dirty implies that it was pre-meditated, which it certainly didn't look like. It was a split second decision, with a vulnerable player coming across the middle. Dirty is also harder to assess, as it's based on trying to guess what was going through a player's mind, and their reputation (Jets fans, remember the Scheifele hit debate? To me dangerous, not dirty - still worthy of suspension). Dangerous is easy to assess - you hit someone in the head hard enough to knock them unconscious and remove their helmet, it's a dangerous hit. And, like it or not, those are not allowed. Period. Player safety, which overall is a good thing. No debate. Penalty. Maybe a fine.
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10 hours ago, Brandon said:
1 - D line... can't single out any of them all were fantastic.
I think by mid season a lot of CFL watchers are going to be talking about Sayles and Kongbo, in addition to the Jeffs. Kongbo was disruptive, quick. Sayles looks like a player with experience in pro camps, which he is.
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30 minutes ago, TBURGESS said:
Collaros was great last night. Best trade we've made since we traded Brock for Clements way back in '84.
He does remind me a bit of Clements. Before his multiple concussions, Collaros was excellent. People forget. The cancelled season may have helped him recover more and come back healthy. Made some plays last night that I haven't seen a Bombers QB make since Jones or Clements.
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33 minutes ago, Geebrr said:
"Not a culture fit" is a a comment on someone's character that is a pretty shitty thing to do.
Mike Kelly vibes.
Exactly. Rookie head coach mistakes by Elizondo. Hold players accountable in practice, meetings, games. You don't do it in the media. Especially for a rookie head coach. He's not Belichick or Popovich. Even then, they rarely crap on players publicly. You're earned nothing yet. Earn some respect from your players first.
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3 hours ago, M.Silverback said:
Coach O'Shea injury update guide:
"Should be okay" - possible shoulder strain
"He'll take some time and doesn't need to practice" - possible separated shoulder
"We'll have Al and the doctors look at him and let us know" - possible arm amputation at shoulder
"Short period of time" ... hmmmm, pretty close to my prediction of "should be okay". That's a good thing!
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15 hours ago, bigg jay said:
Coach O'Shea injury update guide:
"Should be okay" - possible shoulder strain
"He'll take some time and doesn't need to practice" - possible separated shoulder
"We'll have Al and the doctors look at him and let us know" - possible arm amputation at shoulder
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Interesting. Finally happening. Over/under on number of games before O’Shea gets fined for reporting body part as “he should be good to go”?
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Good clip from Darrin Bauming about the impact of single game gambling on injury reporting in the CFL. Basically that it has to change to be more in line with what the NFL does if you're going to expect people to bet (lose?) money on CFL games. Hope so. Really tired of O'Shea's old school "he should be okay", "he'll be fine", "he had an appointment (!?)". Ridiculous to think somehow other teams' primary game plan is " hey, let's go after one specific player's ankle, knee, shoulder ..."
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Hope he's okay.
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1 hour ago, Mark F said:
here are he of the odd names stats
"Balthazar is traditionally referred to as the King of Macedonia and gave the gift of myrrh to Jesus. In the Roman Catholic Church, he is regarded as a saint "
https://www.statscrew.com/football/stats/p-bethemcl001
he didnt play a down in the NFL
He was in nine different NFL training camps, with five different teams. Several teams asked him back more than once. Never said he racked up NFL stats. Did say he bounced around NFL camps a lot. Nine times. Much more than most journeyman or prospect QB's get. More opportunities than Matt Nichols got. Obviously didn't make an NFL roster like every QB in the CFL. But, like I said, had enough talent to be asked to attend camps nine times.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McLeod_Bethel-Thompson
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BethMc00.htm
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1 hour ago, Noeller said:
MBT isn't better than Arbuckle or Nichols. Period.
Nichols - I'm not going to debate you. Admittedly I've never been a Nichols fan. But, his CFL record speaks for itself. Still unknown what he'll be like post surgery and lengthy layoff, but I'll concede. But the gap between them right now, is slim.
Arbuckle - He's been given the starting job in Toronto, but his stats in the last CFL season were worse than MBT, playing for a much better team. Take a look on cfl.ca. Don't be shocked if the Argos stumble a bit, or if Arbuckle misses time, good old MBT comes in and takes the starting job. He's not a scrub. He bounced around the NFL a long time because he has some talent. NFL teams don't keep giving you a shot to be nice guys.
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17 hours ago, Noeller said:
are they really? Why the **** do people think MBT is any good? The guy is a lunatic who threw for a pile of TDs when his team was down by 30 and needed to constantly take deep shots...... **** that guy. I wouldn't want him any more than Jennings or the rest of the castoffs...
MBT isn't the second coming of Warren Moon, but he's a legitimate CFL QB. He's average at best, but might be better than Arbuckle, and he may be better than some CFL starters (Nichols). Back to the point - we have a completely unproven back up QB. Period. Hope he's good, but putting on my amateur CFL GM hat, I'd always want a back up QB on the roster with some CFL experience. Especially if my starting QB has a history of injuries. Maybe I'd stash the experienced QB on injured reserve, or practice rosters, still give McGuire the QB2 spot. But, I'd want someone who knows the playbook and has practiced with the team, rather than trying to parachute some QB in week 6 who's been working out at a Goodlife.
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24 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:
The situation in Toronto with Arbuckle & Bethel-Thompson as well as Hamilton's with Masolli & Evans will be temporary. Two of those guys won't be happy not playing & won't be back with their individual team next year.
You're right about next season. For this year, Hamilton and Toronto are in a much better spot than the Bombers if whoever their QB1's are go down. A bit scary in a shortened season for the Bombers. Can only hope McGuire is a phenom.
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7 minutes ago, TrueBlue4ever said:
Bob Irving will be happy. Naylor, Lalji, and the Argo owners maybe not so much.
Saw one tweet wondering if the passing of the single game betting bill allowed the CFL to walk away from this, knowing they had a new revenue stream coming in? Maybe that was Ambrosie’s plan all along - float a trial balloon to gauge the current level of support for the traditional CFL and put some heat on the Feds to pass the bill.
Maybe Ambrosie goes down as the commish who saved the CFL. Genius!
You could be right! Can't fault Ambrosie and CFL owners for considering all options for growing revenue. That's the thing that drove me nuts with the anti XFL'ers. I'm not pro XFL merger, but the "let's just keep the CFL the way it is" crowd were delusional. Owning a CFL team was, and still is, a money pit. Maybe single game betting is the answer.
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1 hour ago, GCn20 said:
Yea...a Harris decline would suck, but realistically it is a very easily solved problem. I want AH to get 2000 yards from scrimmage but I would also take it by committee if need be or have a third of it go elsewhere in the offence with an American giving us 1200-1400 yards combined. With our OL any RB we put behind them is going for 1000 yards in an 18 game schedule....get one that can catch a few balls out of the backfield as well and we are alright. I feel that Demski would just start seeing a lot more action in the short game and we would not lose a beat.
Good points. The role of RB's in general is changing in football. Many NFL teams are going to the RB by committee approach, not overpaying a feature RB, and making sure the RB is versatile - can catch and pass block. I love Harris, but I also think we could get 80% of his production from our current Canadian RB committee. Especially with our O-line. I think the Canadian mafia might be ahead of the curve - why not have the RB position as a national position, and use the extra import in what is now a more impactful position - DE, DT, CB, WR? Plus, if you cannot find a decent Canadian RB, finding an American one is pretty easy.
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1 hour ago, wbbfan said:
QFT.
You sum it up pretty well. Im about as comfortable with mcguire as our back up as I can be in any qb with that amount of experience. I would love to have a guy who can step in and win games right away on the bench. Especially behind collaros. But right now those guys are few and far between. And we can use that cap money in better ways.
If streveler becomes a real option Id be happy to have him back, but tbh im not sure if he is that guy either. He can bring a lot, and a worst case scenario of a 2 man show with him and mcguire couold be pretty good. But idk if at this point in his development if he is ready to step in and win games on his arm alone. It takes dual threat qbs longer to come around like that.
You're right. I guess the good news is most CFL teams are in the same spot - unproven back up QB's. The Argos have the best QB depth right now. And Streveler - not sure he's even a quality starter in the CFL, but as a Bombers legend, he is officially welcome back at any time, in any capacity.
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On 2021-06-20 at 4:06 PM, rebusrankin said:
Building on Tait's article but isn't it possible that McGuire has the level of success we saw from the relatively untested Evans, Fajardo, Arbuckle in 2019? Going back further Ricky Ray, Khari Jones, Printers all had success despite limited reps before coming starters. As Kevin Garnett said, "Anything is possible."
I'm so glad we're back debating the back up QB situation rather than talking about covid! Welcome back CFL!
Finding a back up QB in the CFL is challenging. It's not like the NFL where you can overpay a veteran guy to hold a clip board, or basically put all your eggs into the starter basket and don't even have a capable back up (Vikings 2020).
In the CFL because of the limited $, you definitely have to find and develop QB's and hope they turn into starters. But, because the O-lines are worse than the NFL, and because it's a passing league, CFL starting QB's tend to drop like flies. Rare for one to make it through an entire season, as we as Bomber fans have witnessed.
Based on that, the fact is we have an unproven back up - McGuire. He may be good. And I'd have him as QB2. But, as a Grey Cup contender, I'd feel a lot better with some type of cheap vet back up QB on the roster who has played a few CFL games. If Collaros goes down, and McGuire isn't ready, we're in trouble.
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1 hour ago, 17to85 said:
Yeah but why cover the CFL when they can stuff a mic in Jeff ONeils face and let him verbally fellate the Leafs?
Man that made me laugh! Well done. Best description I've seen of TSN in general.
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47 minutes ago, Noeller said:
Yep, I thought it was terrible, personally...
It’s not great news. But his insights and analysis of the situation were excellent. I’d rather have a reality check.
36 minutes ago, JCon said:It makes you wonder why anyone would put money into this league? Why would RedBird put money in?
The CFL has as good of a TV deal as they can get. You're not going to add a US network for any money. The timing doesn't work for the US (late spring start, fall end) - it just conflicts with the NFL and NCAA.
You can't start much earlier in Canada, can you? Maybe an April training camp with a May start? Still takes you into October. Can you do training camp in March with an April start? Who wants to watch a game outdoors in April? Certainly not more than watch now. Yes, October/November is the same conditions but that's the end of the season and playoffs - much more entertaining.
Great questions! I think based on Naylor a big driver of this is gambling. Football gambling is huge, and filling a gap between the NFL season might be the thing. I know people that live in England that bet on the NFL every week!
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I believe that you coach and train at a higher level than I do. And that you understand tackling technique more than I do. So, you know more than I do how hard it is to teach young players to use proper technique, especially when they see pros not doing it. That wasn't a good tackle. Kudos for keeping his head out of it - that would be just stupid, especially from a pro.
Agree, Alexander is not a malicious, dirty player. The play ... let's agree that while he didn't want to injure the WR, but did choose to rock him. And not sure he let up. He put his hands in the air after to act like he let up, try to avoid a penalty.
And my perspective on plays like this, especially from a player who plays the right way like Alexander, is that it happens. But, it also comes with consequences - penalty, fine, etc. And if you keep doing those types of plays you turn into a player that plays the wrong way, and costs your team.