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100k tops. Maybe incentives if he returns to form in production

We're going to find out.

How do you know this is what's happening?

I begrudgingly and angrily agree. 🙂

As crappy as this was, Younger had a pathetic D-line and linebackers, so I think he ought to be given a mulligan for 2025. What self-respecting OC would want to come to the Bombers with O'Shea's favouritism and mule-headedness undercutting the decisions?

How much do you pay Willie for a reduced role? Does he accept a salary cut?

I think the 2026 scheme should be predominant 4 man...Modified 3 man with a Jack....And also believe WJ has a lot of gas in tank and should be used as the rotational 55% rep end and allowed to just cut loose, with the other 3 "best" options at DE....Preferably 2 imports and Bailey the Global or a Canuck we can land via FA's or draft...Allows us to designate another import to DT and have 2 legit ball busters inside alomg with Lawson....Do that with 7 bodies who can play, and the secondary, almost regardless of who we employ get better...significantly...same with LB's As I mentioned in another post while discussing dline with Gavin Walls he even said what he saw...and would have hated to do, was that we used our ends a lot...primarily WJ in a contain role and not as an attack end...and you could see a lot of times it was a take 2..3 steps...jab down and hold back and become a volleyball player at the net...and more often than not it looked like plays were being taking off...as basically we schemed him out of plays ourselves....or was flat footed alot and having to attack/pursue from a dead stop...pointless and stupid...and a waste quarter of a quarter...the 1st quarter

We used lots of 4 man fronts at other times too. When you handicap yourself with the geriatric brigade you can't expect pressure. Willie lacks give a damn, Jake still has give.a man but he's toast after about a quarter.

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Funny how we ran a primarily 4 man front that game too. Coincidence I think not.

....Yeah....time to get aggressive in our search for talent ....We seem to dawdle along until most of the talent is spoken for....Let the player(s) 'KNOW' that we are interested in their services now....All the other clubs are in that game

All of this you mention would be seen as being very 'proactive' ......something foreign to this club it seems

Funny how we had a bunch of pressure the game we dressed the all rookie defensive line eh?

yup....time for us to be greasy too....the nice guy facade is overdone and not benefiting us

They were apparently working diligently last year too but nothing got announced until February. MOS had even claimed that they were ahead of the game last year as they had already been preparing for life after Buck when he got interviewed by other teams to be their HC. That being said, there are rumors that suggest a coach turned down our offer to be the OC and they had to go back to the drawing board and that's how we ended up with Hogan. We also interviewed Makysmic but he took the Elks job instead so we could have missed out on 2 of our top choices which would understandably delay things a bit. Hopefully they don't run into those issue again - could be a red flag if we keep missing out on our preferred choices.

I am not impressed at all with Younger after this year either, Didn't like his zero pressure approach at all. The first year QBs couldn't adjust to everyone dropping out into coverage but now they just carve us up. These 3 man fronts just don't work if they are done excessively. Better to disguise it like Richie used to do.

Mitchell is a good one. It wouldn't be hard to come up with a list of guys who you aren't going to bring back, guys like kody should be on that list, announce the release of guys who are expiring and wont be given an offer. Then re tool the staff a bit. Say Hogan isn't back, maybe promote JY to ast hc, figure out if you/hall want to go another year. If he does, maybe promote him to be a QC to the oc as well. For me, I'd drop a bunch of vet names on that list, but you don't even need to go real deep with that. Even have someone talk to a CFL reporter like Hodge and say we intend to be aggressive in free agency.

I would hope tampering has been started already. I know teams are tampering with guys we want to stay and guys we are targeting already, Pretty small community of agents so not tough to do.

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time to tamper and in the back channels and let a number or 2 accidently slip out....lol

Hopefully....and if true yup a good sign.....I'll wait for the actual announcement that we moved on tho before I applaud anything...lol

As @wbbfan, you could say Hogan will not be back and say a guy like Mitchell.

It is completely pointless to even look at pending FA's right now. The vast majority will be re-signed long before FA. Many before Jan.2 so that their signing bonuses go against this year's left over cap space.

Hey, I'd love for all of this to be settled right now too. However, it is crazy to suggest change isn't coming because it hasn't been announced Dec. 1. I completely get what you are saying, and if media reports are any indication, we are working diligently to make change in our coaching staff. For now that is a good sign. On December 1st, we should be optimistic about these reports. If nothing has happened a month from now then yea...let's assume the worst.

That is irrelevant and doesn't change anything for this year. Why did Condell not accept the offer? When will they announce Miller is the OC? These are questions we don't have the answer to because we don't actually know what is going on and it would be pretty unprofessional to discuss any negotiations that might be happening publicly.