Simple question. Would make us 1-4, and, the fact that it would be a home game would add some fuel to a fire.

This isn't meant to be a debate on SHOULD he be fired, simply the question would it get him fired. To give some context to the question, let's say the score was... 44-10 Calgary. Just as a random score.

7 minutes ago, Adrenaline_x said:

Firing Coaches isn't the answer?

We Changed Gms, Coaches, Players, qb, Presidents and even a ******* stadium.

We brought back the lucky royal blue uni's too. That did not ****** work either.

5 minutes ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

We brought back the lucky royal blue uni's too. That did not ****** work either.

Right? I mean that should have worked. They are sweet though. 

29 minutes ago, SteMar_67 said:

Right? I mean that should have worked. They are sweet though. 

Only thing the club has not changed is method of ownership from what ever u want to call it now to private but who wants to take on a 90m debt?

Change works when u have people qualified, experienced and knowledgeable to make them. 

I think this thread would have been more fun if it wasn't an anonymous poll.

We wouldn't be talking about any of this if we had a mobile QB who is accurate and makes good decisions....but we don't so we lose. Good QB's find a way to win just ask Mike Reilly.

I'm sick of hearing MOS say you can't pin it all on Willy. Of course you can't pin EVERYTHING on him but the majority you can...he gets paid to perform well and he's not. He was the same in training camp this year.

Not enthralled with the Defensive schemes either, but if we had a good performing QB we would still win quite a few games. The personnel generally on this team are getting stronger...

 

Does anyone get inspired with confidence, at all, listening to MOS speak? He sounds like a high school football coach who's been asked to come in and coach the Dallas Cowboys, and at half time its 40-0 against and he can't possibly understand why.

5 hours ago, blitzmore said:

We wouldn't be talking about any of this if we had a mobile QB who is accurate and makes good decisions....but we don't so we lose. Good QB's find a way to win just ask Mike Reilly.

I'm sick of hearing MOS say you can't pin it all on Willy. Of course you can't pin EVERYTHING on him but the majority you can...he gets paid to perform well and he's not. He was the same in training camp this year.

Not enthralled with the Defensive schemes either, but if we had a good performing QB we would still win quite a few games. The personnel generally on this team are getting stronger...

 

there are enough workable parts that the remainder of the team has what it takes to win. It's that DW and MOS are tied at the hip. Who knows if behind the scene this is happening, but if OShea is reluctant, due to the huge qb salary, to tell his bosses that DW needs to sit, then he's not doing the team any good. Should mos wait for his bosses to tell him to play another qb, he's not being an accountable coach.

I'm not sure willy is the biggest problem. Being at the game... receivers rarely run routes longer than 10 yards  

At this point, I fire MOS already while the season is still early. 

Firing Mos and naming lapo Or hall coach is probably the worst thing they could do. It changes nothing 

13 minutes ago, Goalie said:

Firing Mos and naming lapo Or hall coach is probably the worst thing they could do. It changes nothing 

 i think the worst thing they can do is to re-sign them both to long extensions

22 minutes ago, White Out said:

 i think the worst thing they can do is to re-sign them both to long extensions

They won't. Both will be gone at the end of the season if it stays the same. I don't think an in season firing is gonna happen 

Interesting...

 

http://3downnation.com/2016/07/22/end-mike-oshea-14-thoughts/

 

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3. Since I know I’ll be bombarded with questions about O’Shea’s job security if I don’t address it, I’ll add this: if O’Shea survives this week, I believe there is a high chance he will be fired if the Bombers lose next week in Edmonton.

 

The vultures are gathering as the smell of impending death grows stronger...

 

5 hours ago, blueandgoldguy said:

Interesting...

 

http://3downnation.com/2016/07/22/end-mike-oshea-14-thoughts/

 

 

I mean, it doesn't take a CFL insider to figure this out. 1-5 going into his 3rd year stinks. Period. But I think the real test will be Hamilton. I don't think anyone gives us a huge chance against the Eskimos in Edmonton, that place is a real grindhouse for us. You lose to Hamilton too, though, and 1-6 means you should lose your job. 

8 hours ago, Goalie said:

I'm not sure willy is the biggest problem. Being at the game... receivers rarely run routes longer than 10 yards  

The offense looked exactly the same when Nichols went in. Receivers dropping passes, OL missing blocks and getting the qb cranked. needing 3 downs to get first downs, needing a big kick return to set up field position to be close enough to the endzone to score. 

Why is everyone always on the qb and the coach when clearly this team isn't talented enough? We have some good pieces on this team, but not enough of them and not enough depth behind them. 

2 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

The offense looked exactly the same when Nichols went in. Receivers dropping passes, OL missing blocks and getting the qb cranked. needing 3 downs to get first downs, needing a big kick return to set up field position to be close enough to the endzone to score. 

Why is everyone always on the qb and the coach when clearly this team isn't talented enough? We have some good pieces on this team, but not enough of them and not enough depth behind them. 

People are on the QB because he isn't good enough and is being paid 400k a year to be bad. But I think you probably know that already, don't you? Your point about other facets of the offense not being good either aren't wrong. But those positions are easily replaced and make a fraction of the salary.

You know, common sense stuff.

The QB is only as good as the talent he has around him. Yup. We got a couple good pieces but we got quite a few who aren't good enough. 

Just now, Goalie said:

The QB is only as good as the talent he has around him. Yup. We got a couple good pieces but we got quite a few who aren't good enough. 

Then why are we paying someone 400k a year? To plunge to the lowest common denominator on our offense? Don't you go out  and get a star QB with that money to raise your team up and have people play up to his level?

6 minutes ago, White Out said:

People are on the QB because he isn't good enough and is being paid 400k a year to be bad. But I think you probably know that already, don't you? Your point about other facets of the offense not being good either aren't wrong. But those positions are easily replaced and make a fraction of the salary.

You know, common sense stuff.

If they were easily replaced then why hasn't Walters replaced them in the 3 years he's been here? If they're easily replaced why is there no depth anywhere on this team? A team that gets as crippled by injuries as this one does isn't going to win no matter who you have at qb. Khari Jones had the same thing happen to him, when the depth sucked and injuries hit the team looked useless all of a sudden. Same with Kevin Glenn. You need good pieces around a qb to be successful. It's simplistic and incompletely analysis to just say "oh the qb is the big problem" or "the coach is the big problem" We have a GM that can't build depth, can't add to talent and is at best treading water with his moves. It doesn't matter what Willy makes, it flat out doesn't. This roster isn't good enough to win and pretending that it is with a coaching change or a qb change is just playing silly buggers. 

I'm done with going to Bomber games.

I'm not done watching the team. I'm done making the 40 minute drive and 20 minute walk to the stadium to subject myself to the product that we're being given. I'm still going to watch religiously every single game, but I want the ability to turn this garbage off with the push of a button instead of having to travel another hour back home.

We absolutely ****ing suck. I'm sure it's a combination of things and I'm sure the blame isn't on any singular person, but this team just lacks any entertainment value whatsoever. I'm 26 years old now, I've had season tickets since 1999, when I was 9 years old and I used to have so much team spirit that I would save up birthday and Christmas money to buy my own so I could go with my dad. I didn't want my parents to buy my tickets, because I wanted to support the team myself. Sure, it was all their money anyways but that was the pride I had in being a Bomber fan, I thought at 9 years old that I could proudly support them MYSELF.

I never used to miss a game for anything. I've missed birthdays. Weddings. Parties. I've gotten in fights with girlfriends because I wanted to watch a Bomber game on TV instead of going out to a BBQ or some kind of other social function. I missed half of my high school graduation to listen to preseason football on the radio. I've driven to Calgary, Edmonton and Regina to watch games, despite it taking all the way until last year to ever see a road win. Two years ago, I went to Los Angeles during Bomber season and they were playing Hamilton (the game where McDuffie returned a TD on us) and I missed watching half of a Dodger game because I stayed in their team store until the end of the Bomber game because that was the only place in the stadium I could get consistent wifi. There are literally no ends to what I've done to expose myself to as much Bomber football as I possibly can and I really just don't give a **** anymore.

I'm tired of Mike O'Shea and his "I don't know what's going on" attitude. His post game interview last night was depressing and apparently his halftime interview with Sara Orlesky was even worse. I'm tired of no answers for anything. I'm tired of trying the same **** over and over again and expecting it to worth the 17th time when it didn't work the first 16. I'm tired of watching teams run the same plays we do for 15, 20, 30 yards when we can barely run them for 2. We've seen 7 wins in 30 tries at Investors Group Field and it's ****ing pathetic. If it's not the QB, it's the defense. If it's not the defense, it's the playcalling. If it's not the playcalling, the kicker misses. If the kicker doesn't miss, it's the QB. Whatever it is, we never put it together and I'm just so defeated watching this unentertaining product. Even 5-6 years ago, we weren't very good but we could see progress. Now? Nothing. I was talking with my dad at the last game and we were trying to recall all the good memories we've had of watching the team play at IGF. My fondest ****ing memory is the game where Jason Boltus somehow managed to throw a pass backwards and I laughed at how pathetic we were. That's the only positive memory I have of IGF. Some "so bad it's funny" bull**** that only the Bombers could pull off. That's not how I want to remember Bomber football. At Canad Inns? I remember the TD record. I remember Khari Jones instilling confidence in a fanbase that knew even if we were down going into the fourth quarter, we sure as **** had a chance to win - a good chance. I remember the Stegall 4 catch, 4 TD game. I remember the Thanksgiving comeback. I remember Swaggerville coming up into Section S to celebrate with the fans after a Eastern Final win against Hamilton when Chris Garrett ran over, around and by everything near him in the snow. Remember watching football in the snow? Not at IGF, because our lockers are cleaned out by then.

Remember when we fired Doug Berry because making the playoffs 3 years in a row but not winning a Grey Cup was unacceptable? Can you imagine making the playoffs 3 years in a row now? I'd kill for it. I can't remember the last time I actually had to pay for my playoff ticket because it's been carried over from the previous year for what? I dunno, 5 years now? Another 5 before that? Who even knows at this point. All I know is I can't subject myself to this garbage anymore. I just laugh. What else am I supposed to do? Getting mad doesn't do anything. It's not worth investing the effort. The team sure doesn't. All I know is I've gone from a fan who would've missed my mom's birthday to listen to a Bomber radio broadcast through a broken walkie talkie to a fan who literally would rather stay at home so he can go pull weeds after we get run outta the building in the first quarter. We ****ing stink. And I can't be bothered to care anymore.

9 hours ago, Goalie said:

I'm not sure willy is the biggest problem. Being at the game... receivers rarely run routes longer than 10 yards  

Darvin Adams exemplified that big time. It's what I've been saying. WATCH the other teams, I watch the Eskimo's all the time. Anyone here think Reilly is perfect? Not even close. He usually just throws the ball to an 'area' when he goes deep, it's his 'receivers' that make a play on it. You all saw Bowman do it last week. Not to mention his 8 yard route when he needed 10 yards (and that was the game btw - that's where the bombers lost it). 

That being said, Willy is NOT a 400k QB- bombers hitched their wagon to the wrong guy - AGAIN!

I'm a broken record, but I'll say it again. Until the bombers find their OWN QB - they are not doing anything. They might have some limited success here and there, but if they can't find a QB (and there's more out there than people think btw) the Bombers will never be significant in the CFL. The bombers are the new 'Riders, like it or not. Perennial doormats. The free space on the bingo card. 

And now its what - 37 games since we scored 30 points in a game. 17to85 thinks that's no big deal. Really. So if the Winnipeg Jets failed to score 4 goals or more in hockey for two seasons - that would be 'no big deal'??? 17 - that's a HUGE deal. It's a scoring league. 30 points - teams get that by accident - Calgary got over 30 yesterday and they only played half a game (well 2 and 1/2 quarters). That stat by itself tells you how effective Willy (though he probably only started about 22 or 23 of those games - but still even that's not acceptable for a 400k a year guy) and MOS are as a team. 

 

Just now, 17to85 said:

If they were easily replaced then why hasn't Walters replaced them in the 3 years he's been here? If they're easily replaced why is there no depth anywhere on this team? A team that gets as crippled by injuries as this one does isn't going to win no matter who you have at qb. Khari Jones had the same thing happen to him, when the depth sucked and injuries hit the team looked useless all of a sudden. Same with Kevin Glenn. You need good pieces around a qb to be successful. It's simplistic and incompletely analysis to just say "oh the qb is the big problem" or "the coach is the big problem" We have a GM that can't build depth, can't add to talent and is at best treading water with his moves. It doesn't matter what Willy makes, it flat out doesn't. This roster isn't good enough to win and pretending that it is with a coaching change or a qb change is just playing silly buggers. 

Because Walters isn't a good GM. That's why. Do you see me defending this guy? He's clearly incompetent. He hired MOS, a terrible mistake. He didn't rectify that mistake by looking to get anyone else in the off season, when it's apparent to anyone with any foresight that MOS isn't the guy. He didn't fill the roster with enough talent, and has failed to do so within his time as GM. But how bad is our team really? Who knows. I think we have such bad coaching from the head guy down to coordinators that they could make the BC Lions or Redblacks 1-3. That debate could be had for days and days.

What we do know is that there's a real stench from this club, from our offense to our defense. But there seems to be a group on here who want to deflect blame away from players they like or perceive as being better than they actually are and re-assign that blame to anyone else. "Willy doesnt' stinks its' the GM's fault for not giving him the right talent around him. Or, "Willy doesn't stink but I blame the O line because they're a train wreck".  And so on and so on. No, Willy does stink. Does the offensive line force him to have the worst long ball in the CFL? Lock in on his primary target and stare him down? Does the O line force Willy to hang on the ball too long? No. Is our O line great? Probably not even average. Is our GM good? No he clearly doesn't get the job done. But that doesn't give a free pass to our 400,000 dollar quarterback who's getting boo'd off the field game in and game out.