rebusrankin Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 Rich, great post, any way to give more than one like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbill2004 Posted August 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 Marve was about a 65% completion percentage in college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noeller Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 I'm not disagreeing with Rich's post at all, but fwiw, apparently MOS just said in his presser: "We run the exact same protection schemes as every team in the league"..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bustamente Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 Who knows, with Marve starting, we may discover that we have the next Collaros/Cato. It's possible lets give the kid a chance and i mean a real chance, not yank him out if he makes a couple of bonehead plays. Lets see with a full week of practice if he can step up his game. We know what with have with Brohm so lets get behind Marve with full coaching support and just maybe he surprises us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyWinnipeg Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 See if the Chipmans are interested in owning the team. They wouldn't put up with this kind of thing. They have shown they know how to operate a major sports franchise. They'd have it turned around pretty quick. Some how I don't think he wants to tackle a 90m debt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatty Liver Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 Good post Rich, I was going to mention this at some point. MB almost doesn't have the correct skill set to work with a straight pocket passer like Willy. He may lack some skill regarding pass protection also. The teams he has had that were set up to run the ball for the most part have been successful. You guys have had success running the ball this year when you have tried. I just haven't seen the bombers commit to it, almost like MB feels guilty for not using Willy more. With Willy out IMO I see MB committing to the run now. Older lineman like Picard are still mean and like to go downfield and hammer somebody. You'll see that Picard influenced Oline play once you guys start running the ball more. At this point, where u guys are at, its a plan I think I'd be going with. For example, Picard and Labatte were down right scary out there that year Sheets was running wild, 2013. Good point, Marcel had strict instructions to build the offence around Willy's skill set and so he set out to re-create Calvillo style pocket protection without the horses or brains to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigg jay Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 I'm not disagreeing with Rich's post at all, but fwiw, apparently MOS just said in his presser: "We run the exact same protection schemes as every team in the league"..... Never thought MOS was the type to throw his players under a bus but if it's not the scheme then it must be... Mark F 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 Who knows, with Marve starting, we may discover that we have the next Collaros/Cato.It's possible lets give the kid a chance and i mean a real chance, not yank him out if he makes a couple of bonehead plays. Lets see with a full week of practice if he can step up his game. We know what with have with Brohm so lets get behind Marve with full coaching support and just maybe he surprises us. Just saying but isn't full week this week 1 day of practice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 I'm not disagreeing with Rich's post at all, but fwiw, apparently MOS just said in his presser: "We run the exact same protection schemes as every team in the league"..... Well, that's total bs if thete ever was. First time I'm gonna say it but if O'shea don't recognize MB as a problem then he might need to be fired too. Along with MB cuz biggest fear is O'shea is fired and MB is named coach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 I'm not disagreeing with Rich's post at all, but fwiw, apparently MOS just said in his presser: "We run the exact same protection schemes as every team in the league"..... If it isn't schemes ... then either we have poor talent, the players aren't executing, or the coaches aren't communicating what they should be doing in certain situations because so far this year we are again worse in the league in sacks allowed at 16. Now we haven't had our bye week yet and Edmonton and Calgary are only 1 and 2 less sacks better than us respectively, but we are for sure right now in the bottom third. We sit at 16. BC is tops at 3. Montreal 5, and everyone is somewhere in between 11 and 16. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 16 through 7 games? So prior to giving up 7 vs Hamilton we only had given up 9 sacks in 6 games? That's actually pretty good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomic Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 16 through 7 games? So prior to giving up 7 vs Hamilton we only had given up 9 sacks in 6 games? That's actually pretty good No I think it's 23 now. 16 was prior to the Hamilton game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 16 through 7 games? So prior to giving up 7 vs Hamilton we only had given up 9 sacks in 6 games? That's actually pretty goodNo I think it's 23 now. 16 was prior to the Hamilton game. Makes more sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 16 through 7 games? So prior to giving up 7 vs Hamilton we only had given up 9 sacks in 6 games? That's actually pretty good No I think it's 23 now. 16 was prior to the Hamilton game. Double checked the stats I pulled from and you are correct that was up to Week 6. It didn't include last week. http://cfl.uploads.mrx.ca/league/pdf/en/stats/2015/2015_CFL_Statistics_Wk__6_Final082319.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 So a third of the season... 16 sacks... x 3 = on pace for 48 sacks against. That's not good enough. God knows it will probably be more now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 Chipman and True North would be a Godsend to the Bombers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 So a third of the season... 16 sacks... x 3 = on pace for 48 sacks against. That's not good enough. God knows it will probably be more now That would be way better then the 71 we gave up last year. SPuDS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 So a third of the season... 16 sacks... x 3 = on pace for 48 sacks against. That's not good enough. God knows it will probably be more now That would be way better then the 71 we gave up last year. For sure but... still way too many. Gotta think it will be well over 50 again tho. Talent? Or scheme? I don't buy it's the same protection as everyone else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 Chipman and True North would be a Godsend to the Bombers. It really depends on who'd they hire to run the bombers wouldn't it? Just them buying the bombers wouldn't change a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebusrankin Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 On pace for 59 sacks now. That's down from 71. But 3 new pieces on the OL nets you 2/3 of a sack less a game? If our protections are the same as other teams, why are we so bad? Is the talent that bad? The coaching? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 Chipman and True North would be a Godsend to the Bombers. It really depends on who'd they hire to run the bombers wouldn't it? Just them buying the bombers wouldn't change a thing. You're really splitting hairs. Whether the Jets are successful or not, True North has been a very positive addition to Manitoba and spent a ton of money and operate a sports franchise in a very professional way. Wade is doing a good job. But especially before he came along, the idea of TN owning the Bombers and running IGF would have been a magnificent development. The Bombers seem on the way to straightening things out in the front office. So thats good. A private owner might force hands more often (Asper would probably have fired someone by now lol) but Chipman would hire someone like Wade. Chipman didnt fire Noel. He doesnt interfere. So we're really in the same position we'd be in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbill2004 Posted August 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 Treatment for Tibial Plateau FracturesIn cases where there is solely a bone bruise or a very mild nondisplaced fracture, the treatment can vary dramatically compared to those where there is a complete fracture or any step-off deformity or comminution of the fracture. In those cases where there is a bone bruise or a nondisplaced fracture which does not cause significant pain, such as in high-level athletes, a rehabilitation program to allow the swelling to resolve followed quickly by, a low-impact exercise program, to include low resistance cycling and working in a pool, can help to maintain ones cardiovascular endurance and allow for a quicker return to activities. In circumstances where there is bone bruise with a small fracture which is not displaced surgery is not required, if the athlete is able to participate in low-impact activities without having any problems with pain or swelling, they can often maintain their cardiovascular reserves to the point where they do not need an extended period of time after the fracture heals to return to sporting activities. In certain cases, a minimum of 6 weeks is usually necessary to allow the fracture to completely heal so that there is no risk of a reinjury. In those fractures in which there is a larger disruption of the bone, the athlete may need to be nonweightbearing for 6 weeks and then will need time to recover from the atrophy of not walking on that extremity prior to returning to activities. In those circumstances, it can 12 weeks or longer to return to activities. In those athletes we do require surgery to stabilize the fracture or restore the step-off deformity; the downtime is usually much extended with at least 6 weeks of no weightbearing and up to several months of rehabilitation to restore their overall strength. In addition, if there is any significant traumatic arthritis because of damage to the cartilage, some patients may continue to have problems with pain or swelling with activities that can affect the ability to return back to high-level activities and can affect the length of their athletic career. We know that Willy does not need surgery, so we are really looking at 6-12 weeks (the PCL injury is a 2-8 week recovery period). With Willy's amazing ability to heal fast, and the upcoming bye week, let's say best case scenario is he misses 4-5 games. If we can get 2 wins during that period, we're still in it. Miller and Rod Black 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Black Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 Lets look at Marcel's historical schemes and see where they ranked in the years he was an OC. Sacks His first 3 years as an OC in Saskatchewan (2003 - 2005) - His offence was the 2nd, 3rd, and 1st best at giving up the least amount of sacks (27,28,23) 2007 Montreal - Ranked last in the league (8th) with 68 sacks 2008 Hamilton - Ranked last in the league (8th) with 67 sacks 2014 Winnipeg - Ranked last in the league (9th) with 71 sacks Passing His first 3 years as an OC in Saskatchewan (2003 - 2005) - He was consistently in the bottom half of the league in passing (7th, 6th, and 8th with 4054, 4619, and 4229 yards) 2007 Montreal - Even with Calvillo he ranked 4th in the league in passing with 5044 yards 2008 Hamilton - Ranked last in the league (8th) with 4474 yards 2014 Winnipeg - Ranked 5th in the league with 4374 yards Rushing His first 3 years as an OC in Saskatchewan (2003 - 2005) - He was tops in the league in rushing each of those 3 years (2605, 2504, and 2436 yards) 2007 Montreal - Ranked 6th in the league with 1791 yards 2008 Hamilton - Ranked 1st in the league with 2532 yards 2014 Winnipeg - Ranked 8th in the league with 1513 yards Points Scored His first 3 years as an OC in Saskatchewan (2003 - 2005) - He was in the bottom half of the league in points scored all 3 years (4th, 4th, and 8th for 470, 444, and 379 points) 2007 Montreal - Ranked 7th in the league with 362 points 2008 Hamilton - Ranked 6th in the league with 408 points 2014 Winnipeg - Ranked 6th in the league with 397 points Summary Other then his first 3 years in the league 10 - 15 years ago, his offence has consistently given up the most sacks in the league. His passing offence has at best ranked in the middle of the league but that was with Calvillo at the helm, every other year has been pretty much bottom 3rd (or bottom half with Willy). He has ranked 1st in rushing every year except with Montreal and Winnipeg In points scored, his best seasons were 15 years ago when he was ranked about middle of the pack. Every other year has been middle of the pack to bottom half of the league So in conclusion, Marcel is at best an average / middle of the pack OC whose offence seems to have more success with the run (except in Winnipeg). His best passing years passing have been with Calvillo (4th best) and Willy (5th best) Can't wait to see what Willy can do with a new offensive coordinator.... Very compelling evidence to sack MB. SPuDS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 I'll say it again, we should have rested him after that first knee injury... this is Buck Pierce all over again - rush him back, swoon over how durable and tough he is, then end up with a worse injury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iso_55 Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 Treatment for Tibial Plateau FracturesIn cases where there is solely a bone bruise or a very mild nondisplaced fracture, the treatment can vary dramatically compared to those where there is a complete fracture or any step-off deformity or comminution of the fracture. In those cases where there is a bone bruise or a nondisplaced fracture which does not cause significant pain, such as in high-level athletes, a rehabilitation program to allow the swelling to resolve followed quickly by, a low-impact exercise program, to include low resistance cycling and working in a pool, can help to maintain ones cardiovascular endurance and allow for a quicker return to activities. In circumstances where there is bone bruise with a small fracture which is not displaced surgery is not required, if the athlete is able to participate in low-impact activities without having any problems with pain or swelling, they can often maintain their cardiovascular reserves to the point where they do not need an extended period of time after the fracture heals to return to sporting activities. In certain cases, a minimum of 6 weeks is usually necessary to allow the fracture to completely heal so that there is no risk of a reinjury. In those fractures in which there is a larger disruption of the bone, the athlete may need to be nonweightbearing for 6 weeks and then will need time to recover from the atrophy of not walking on that extremity prior to returning to activities. In those circumstances, it can 12 weeks or longer to return to activities. In those athletes we do require surgery to stabilize the fracture or restore the step-off deformity; the downtime is usually much extended with at least 6 weeks of no weightbearing and up to several months of rehabilitation to restore their overall strength. In addition, if there is any significant traumatic arthritis because of damage to the cartilage, some patients may continue to have problems with pain or swelling with activities that can affect the ability to return back to high-level activities and can affect the length of their athletic career. We know that Willy does not need surgery, so we are really looking at 6-12 weeks (the PCL injury is a 2-8 week recovery period). With Willy's amazing ability to heal fast, and the upcoming bye week, let's say best case scenario is he misses 4-5 games. If we can get 2 wins during that period, we're still in it. After an injury like that I don't want him back until next year. Be fully healthy & ready to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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