Fatty Liver Posted October 25, 2014 Report Share Posted October 25, 2014 TSN had a stat. that in 61 out of 66 games this year the team with the most yards rushing has won the game. Seems contrary to Etch's theory that the pass is the primary determinant of wins in the CFL. Doublezero 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted October 25, 2014 Report Share Posted October 25, 2014 But, but...we have been told repeatedly that the run game is just not important any more. What's a girl to think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraser Posted October 25, 2014 Report Share Posted October 25, 2014 Correlation does not imply causation. Teams that are winning and likely to win run the ball heavily. Captain Blue and gbill2004 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Dee Posted October 25, 2014 Report Share Posted October 25, 2014 TSN had a stat. that in 61 out of 66 games this year the team with the most yards rushing yards has won the game. Seems contrary to Etch's theory that the pass is the primary determinant of wins in the CFL. That statement is not proof. It simply isn't supported by that statistic you provided. That's taken out of context. Too many factors haven't been included, including passing yards and turnovers. blitzmore 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigseye Posted October 25, 2014 Report Share Posted October 25, 2014 TSN had a stat. that in 61 out of 66 games this year the team with the most yards rushing yards has won the game. Seems contrary to Etch's theory that the pass is the primary determinant of wins in the CFL. Control the line of scrimmage and 92.424242 times, you win the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatty Liver Posted October 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2014 TSN had a stat. that in 61 out of 66 games this year the team with the most yards rushing yards has won the game. Seems contrary to Etch's theory that the pass is the primary determinant of wins in the CFL. That statement is not proof. It simply isn't supported by that statistic you provided. That's taken out of context. Too many factors haven't been included, including passing yards and turnovers. Never said it was a proof, just an interesting stat. Interpret it as you like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmillerywg Posted October 25, 2014 Report Share Posted October 25, 2014 TSN had a stat. that in 61 out of 66 games this year the team with the most yards rushing yards has won the game. Seems contrary to Etch's theory that the pass is the primary determinant of wins in the CFL. MOS has been telling us the same thing he isn't worried about the number of yards the other teams gets...seems contrary to everything we have be told over the years by the broadcasters... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iso_55 Posted October 25, 2014 Report Share Posted October 25, 2014 TSN had a stat. that in 61 out of 66 games this year the team with the most yards rushing yards has won the game. Seems contrary to Etch's theory that the pass is the primary determinant of wins in the CFL. MOS has been telling us the same thing he isn't worried about the number of yards the other teams gets...seems contrary to everything we have be told over the years by the broadcasters... We have a seven game losing streak happening. Maybe MOS should worry. HardCoreBlue 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Dee Posted October 25, 2014 Report Share Posted October 25, 2014 TSN had a stat. that in 61 out of 66 games this year the team with the most yards rushing yards has won the game. Seems contrary to Etch's theory that the pass is the primary determinant of wins in the CFL. MOS has been telling us the same thing he isn't worried about the number of yards the other teams gets...seems contrary to everything we have be told over the years by the broadcasters... He's been asked specifically about yardage in certain games..referring to run yards. That is when he has said he was wasn't worried…in those situations. Not a blanket statement as you're implying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onyenegecha Posted October 25, 2014 Report Share Posted October 25, 2014 That's like the "The Bombers are 36-0 whenever Charles Roberts runs for 100 yards" stat. Teams go into clock kill mode late in games. Not that it isn't important, this is just misleading is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatty Liver Posted October 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2014 That's like the "The Bombers are 36-0 whenever Charles Roberts runs for 100 yards" stat. Teams go into clock kill mode late in games. Not that it isn't important, this is just misleading is all. Except that this stat. refers to every game played this year so it can't be dismissed out of hand when it accounts for 92% of all wins. I'm sure if the team with the most passing yards had won with that frequency TSN would have brought that stat. up as well. I wonder how much of the remaining 8% accounts for Bomber victories, I think they out rushed the Argos the RB's and BC early in the season but can't recall them doing it since. (Sorry, too lazy to look through the game stats.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KptKrunch Posted October 25, 2014 Report Share Posted October 25, 2014 Some interesting points are made for sure. Definitely when a team is 'leading', the best way to control the game is to run the ball, and if you are behind, you need to score as quickly as possible, which is through the air. So I do think the stats are skewed to a certain degree. But, all that being said, it's 92% of wins as TLB says. That statistic is too large a number to be dismissed as 'happenstance'. 60%, even 65%, I fully buy into the "running the ball in the lead" argument. 92%... not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted October 25, 2014 Report Share Posted October 25, 2014 100% of the games this season have been won by the team that scored the most points! That's a nice little stat to throw on a graphic but it really just amounts to saying the same thing. The team that plays better and accumulates more stats wins the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigseye Posted October 25, 2014 Report Share Posted October 25, 2014 Well, statsjunkie posted the numbers at the other site: The Bombers have been out-rushed by their opponents in 13 of the 16 games so far, that's 81.25% and only out-passed by those same opponents 7 times, that's 43.75%. There's a reason Casino's make money and it's based on the same probabilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Dee Posted October 25, 2014 Report Share Posted October 25, 2014 …….. Definition of Statistics: The science of producing unreliable facts from reliable figures. Evan Esar Facts are stubborn, but statistics are more pliable. Mark Twain Statistics are no substitute for judgment - Henry Clay “99 percent of all statistics only tell 49 percent of the story.” ― Ron DeLegge II, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark H. Posted October 25, 2014 Report Share Posted October 25, 2014 There's lies, damn lies, and statistics... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBird Posted October 25, 2014 Report Share Posted October 25, 2014 Well, statsjunkie posted the numbers at the other site: The Bombers have been out-rushed by their opponents in 13 of the 16 games so far, that's 81.25% and only out-passed by those same opponents 7 times, that's 43.75%. There's a reason Casino's make money and it's based on the same probabilities. That shows is that teams playing us were having a better game rushing so were doing more of it. The original stats posted show two things: 1 - The teams with better rushing yards do so with a better offensive line. 2 - If you have a better offensive line the passing game will also be better Therefore: you win more games. iso_55 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBird Posted October 25, 2014 Report Share Posted October 25, 2014 …….. Definition of Statistics: The science of producing unreliable facts from reliable figures. Evan Esar Facts are stubborn, but statistics are more pliable. Mark Twain Statistics are no substitute for judgment - Henry Clay “99 percent of all statistics only tell 49 percent of the story.” ― Ron DeLegge II, "Not paying attention to what the stats reveal will give you a 6-12 team." Norman Einstein. Fatty Liver 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Dee Posted October 25, 2014 Report Share Posted October 25, 2014 Not quite having all the pieces in place will likely get you a 6-10 team. - Me. SPuDS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted October 25, 2014 Report Share Posted October 25, 2014 …….. Definition of Statistics: The science of producing unreliable facts from reliable figures. Evan Esar Facts are stubborn, but statistics are more pliable. Mark Twain Statistics are no substitute for judgment - Henry Clay “99 percent of all statistics only tell 49 percent of the story.” ― Ron DeLegge II, Statistics are like a bikini, what they reveal is suggestive but what they conceal is vital Y2C 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigseye Posted October 25, 2014 Report Share Posted October 25, 2014 "While nothing is more uncertain than a single life, nothing is more certain than the average duration of a thousand lives." Elizur Wright "A judicious man looks on statistics not to get knowledge, but to save himself from having ignorance foisted on him." Thomas Carlyle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iso_55 Posted October 25, 2014 Report Share Posted October 25, 2014 "A square peg will only fit into a round hole if it is smaller." Dr. I.C. Spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbill2004 Posted October 25, 2014 Report Share Posted October 25, 2014 Etch needs to go. It's that simple. iso_55 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatty Liver Posted October 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2014 "Statistics are just funny numbers" Gary Etcheverry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigseye Posted October 25, 2014 Report Share Posted October 25, 2014 Etch needs to go. It's that simple. He's going to switch to a 3-4 defence and Oshea will claim problem solved, no need for changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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