iso_55 Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 Unfuckingbelievable..... Brandon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueandgold Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 Wow. I'm all for rehabilitation over jail time, but NOT when the guy freaking beheads somebody. Absolutely ridiculous. iso_55 and Brandon 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iso_55 Posted February 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 Will the doctors or the board that is releasing him into the public going to be criminally responsible if he kills someone again? No, that never happens. Brandon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark H. Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 Do you guys having any training in psychiatric evaluation? I don't either Floyd, HardCoreBlue and RagingIce 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iso_55 Posted February 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 All the more reason if he kills again they should be criminally responsible as they made this choice based on their training. Brandon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark H. Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 Proving you know absolutely nothing about their training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iso_55 Posted February 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 That has nothing to do with anything, Mark. Like it hasn't happened before? An offender reoffends even when the expert think they won't? This is about public safety. What he did was horrific. I think people that make decisions like this need to be held accountable if something bad happens. I mean, they have the training, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacquie Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 As long as he's taking his meds and following his treatment there shouldn't be any problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 Have to delete this.... to angry about the situation... But an FYI did you know I paid a larger fine for my parking ticket then what this man did by killing an innocent human being! No justice in Canada at all.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 Wow. I'm all for rehabilitation over jail time, but NOT when the guy freaking beheads somebody. Absolutely ridiculous. Don't forget he was eating the guys eyeballs when the police rolled up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark H. Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 Have to delete this.... to angry about the situation... But an FYI did you know I paid a larger fine for my parking ticket then what this man did by killing an innocent human being! No justice in Canada at all.... You can't find someone guilty if you can't prove intent - that's not unique to Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 Once again I have to delete my post.... I can't reason with hippies. For the record my parking ticket was 25 dollars.... I await to see if Killing an innocent man will be higher or lower monetary fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 To completely derail this thread... my inside source processed a few court cases today and found it hilarious that a young adult with a huge rap sheet of violent crimes was only fined $50 and giving probation for assaulting a senior (beating an old lady up) and robbing her of all her money which totaled more then $300 dollars in cash. Because she couldn't prove that she had that much cash on her, he was not ordered to repay the stolen funds. So this guy made a cool $250 profit for putting a lady in the hospital and stealing her purse. Our justice system is absolutely ha-larious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iso_55 Posted February 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 As long as he's taking his meds and following his treatment there shouldn't be any problems. As long... Can you guarantee he'll stay on his meds? In 1988, I was a Unit Assistant at the Health Sciences Centre. I came on duty at 0600. I was assigned to the Emergency Dept for my shift. There was a guy in restraints tied to a bed down the hallway from the nursing station. He had come in a few hours earlier that night. He was schizophrenic. Apparently his dumb ass girlfriend convinced him he didn't need to take his meds anymore & now he was supposedly hearing voices & seeing things. He created a ruckus in Emergency & injured 2 security guards before he was overpowered & put into restraints. My job was to stay with him that room all by myself & make sure he wasn't able to do any more harm. I wanted the guy to sleep through my whole shift. Pretty scary scenario if he ever got out of his restraints. They were in the midst of transferring him to the Psych Ward at St Boniface Hospital when I came on duty. I watched him for about 4 hours before he was taken away. That was a schizophrenic who was off his meds & injured 2 security guards, one pretty severely who needed to be hospitalized. What if Li does the same thing & goes off his meds? Brandon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 As long as he's taking his meds and following his treatment there shouldn't be any problems. As long... Can you guarantee he'll stay on his meds? In 1988, I was a Unit Assistant at the Health Sciences Centre. I came on duty at 0600. I was assigned to the Emergency Dept for my shift. There was a guy in restraints tied to a bed down the hallway from the nursing station. He had come in a few hours earlier that night. He was schizophrenic. Apparently his dumb ass girlfriend convinced him he didn't need to take his meds anymore & now he was supposedly hearing voices & seeing things. He created a ruckus in Emergency & injured 2 security guards before he was overpowered & put into restraints. My job was to stay with him that room all by myself & make sure he wasn't able to do any more harm. I wanted the guy to sleep through my whole shift. Pretty scary scenario if he ever got out of his restraints. They were in the midst of transferring him to the Psych Ward at St Boniface Hospital when I came on duty. I watched him for about 4 hours before he was taken away. That was a schizophrenic who was off his meds & injured 2 security guards, one pretty severely who needed to be hospitalized. What if Li does the same thing & goes off his meds? At first I had a reaction similar to yours. But now I don't agree. He committed a horrible crime, but he was found not responsible. If he's found not responsible and by all accounts, he's been a model patient within the hospital and someone with a ton of remorse for what has happened ... I say as long as he's in care, he's welcome to certain freedoms. TrueBlue 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraser Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 obviously a very polarizing issue. I feel for the family, I can't imagine losing a family member in such a violent fashion. He was found not criminally responsible and didn't ask to have his affliction. He chose not to take his meds once and I don't know what other freedoms he might be entitled to in the future but it's scary to wonder what might happen if he does neglect to take them again. I don't know if there are any right answers or who on this site is qualified to render an opinion but I do know an out and out fear and hatred towards the mentally ill 'probably' isn't going to solve anything. MOBomberFan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iso_55 Posted February 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 As long as he's taking his meds and following his treatment there shouldn't be any problems. As long... Can you guarantee he'll stay on his meds? In 1988, I was a Unit Assistant at the Health Sciences Centre. I came on duty at 0600. I was assigned to the Emergency Dept for my shift. There was a guy in restraints tied to a bed down the hallway from the nursing station. He had come in a few hours earlier that night. He was schizophrenic. Apparently his dumb ass girlfriend convinced him he didn't need to take his meds anymore & now he was supposedly hearing voices & seeing things. He created a ruckus in Emergency & injured 2 security guards before he was overpowered & put into restraints. My job was to stay with him that room all by myself & make sure he wasn't able to do any more harm. I wanted the guy to sleep through my whole shift. Pretty scary scenario if he ever got out of his restraints. They were in the midst of transferring him to the Psych Ward at St Boniface Hospital when I came on duty. I watched him for about 4 hours before he was taken away. That was a schizophrenic who was off his meds & injured 2 security guards, one pretty severely who needed to be hospitalized. What if Li does the same thing & goes off his meds? At first I had a reaction similar to yours. But now I don't agree. He committed a horrible crime, but he was found not responsible. If he's found not responsible and by all accounts, he's been a model patient within the hospital and someone with a ton of remorse for what has happened ... I say as long as he's in care, he's welcome to certain freedoms. Comments deleted. Brandon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iso_55 Posted February 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 obviously a very polarizing issue. I feel for the family, I can't imagine losing a family member in such a violent fashion. He was found not criminally responsible and didn't ask to have his affliction. He chose not to take his meds once and I don't know what other freedoms he might be entitled to in the future but it's scary to wonder what might happen if he does neglect to take them again. I don't know if there are any right answers or who on this site is qualified to render an opinion but I do know an out and out fear and hatred towards the mentally ill 'probably' isn't going to solve anything. No one hates the mentally ill. There is a fear this guy will reoffend & kill someone. To me, that's legitimate. Brandon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 but he was found not responsible. Which is a travesty in and of itself. Now maybe I'm showing my conservative colours here but you commit a crime like that there is no such thing as not responsible and you should be removed from society because you are a danger to society. Brandon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 obviously a very polarizing issue. I feel for the family, I can't imagine losing a family member in such a violent fashion. He was found not criminally responsible and didn't ask to have his affliction. He chose not to take his meds once and I don't know what other freedoms he might be entitled to in the future but it's scary to wonder what might happen if he does neglect to take them again. I don't know if there are any right answers or who on this site is qualified to render an opinion but I do know an out and out fear and hatred towards the mentally ill 'probably' isn't going to solve anything. He chose to not take his meds? I didn't know that, I thought he was just undiagnosed prior to the crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBURGESS Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 I have no idea what this has to do with football, but I'll put my 2 cents in.... Anyone who beheads someone and starts to eat them shouldn't be allowed back on the streets.. ever. I don't care if they were mentally ill when they did it. In fact, I'd have to say everyone who beheads someone and starts to eat them is mentally ill. I think the laws needs to change so 'not responsible due to mental defect' means you get treatment until you are declared legally sane, then you move to the general prison population to serve out the rest of your sentence. As it stands, there isn't even any way to guarantee that he will take his meds after he's let go, so the public is at risk. Blueandgold and iso_55 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 ^^ general discussion sub-forum, Terry. I'm not even sure which way I lean on this. I feel like it's ridiculous that someone who beheads a guy and eats parts of them could ever be released. But without fully understanding the finer points of mental health and what kind of effect it can have on people, I think it's impossible for me to say I take a 100% stance on either side of the fence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 Mental illness is just an excuse. Yeah drugs can manage it, but if you stop taking the drugs you can go right back to being a crazy person and a danger to society. I'm all for greater awareness of mental problems and greater methods for spotting mental troubles early and helping people but that being said you show that you're crazy enough to behead someone and eat them sorry but you blew your chance at being part of a functioning society. Brandon and iso_55 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOBomberFan Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 Maybe it's a shitty comparison but I'll throw it out there anyways as I feel there are some legit parallels... if Lisa Gibson were found alive suffering from shock and severe post partem depression, would some of you be advocating that she be locked up indefinitely? Or was her crime not 'grisly' enough to warrant such treatment? Brandon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelownabomberfan Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 easy solution - let all the Victor Li's out into society but then also make it mandatory that all adults carry a weapon to defend themselves from being eaten. It basically then just turns society into an episode of the Walking Dead. Brandon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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