sweep the leg Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 I definitely prefer an agressive D over what Stubler does, but he's had success with it so you really can't complain about it too much. I'd be happy if he does come here. His D in Toronto was one of the best I've seen since I started watching the CFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iso_55 Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 I like this move but we're going to have to get some solid DBs if we want to run Stubler's system. It is not defence for dummies. Well, we now have a GM & President who are going to be very active in free agency . Halleujah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.O.A.B. Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 if we are going to be a 3-4 defense, it's the question of if we got the right personnel out there i'm assuming the front 3 will be Turner / a big NT? / Anderson and the LB will be Parker / Wild / Muamba / Dunn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iso_55 Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 With a 3-4 we'll need active linebackers. Muamba would be a natural in one of the ILB positions.... Juwan Simpson is a FA & story in Calgary today is that his former DC Rick Campbell will try to sign him.... He'd look good here with Muamba as the 2 interior linebackers in a 3-4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.O.A.B. Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 With a 3-4 we'll need active linebackers. Muamba would be a natural in one of the ILB positions.... Juwan Simpson is a FA & story in Calgary today is that his former DC Rick Campbell will try to sign him.... He'd look good here with Muamba as the 2 interior linebackers in a 3-4. this guys will look good too here: Kyries Hebert (MTL), Damaso Munoz (EDM), Simone Lawrence (HAM)... I'm also interested in Marc-Olivier and/or Brouillette Marc Calixte, we can do a 3 NI rotation in the ILB if we get one of those guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebusrankin Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 Really like the hire, proven success and adds a vet coach which I feel we need. 4 Grey Cups. And frankly, I'd blame the O and Chapdeline more for BC's issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noeller Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 Well, that's something else. Good experience for O'Shea to lean on. So, if they're looking in that direction for DC, do they try and find someone equally experienced on O, or are they okay with the relative rookie that is Khari? Things are trending upward... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 I was tending a bit towards nelson but, for the current market, stubler is a very nice choice. Cortez would be great now but I won't complain if its jones. Any word on dickenson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 I'll miss the aggressive d we've become accustomed to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Blue Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 Are we sure he will switch our base formation? I don't think that is a guarantee. I love 34 defenses though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 Are we sure he will switch our base formation? I don't think that is a guarantee. I love 34 defenses though. BC has maintained the 4-3 right? I don't see a switch to 3-4 any time soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBURGESS Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 Something I found interesting on a Google search: Phillips and a few other defensive mates were livid after the loss Sunday, and while there were no names mentioned it was impossible not to recognize the target of their collective angst was defensive coordinator Rich Stubler. It’s the players who are asked to perform, but it’s the work of the coordinators to put them in the right positions, and several Lions veterans seemed to be suggesting they weren’t responding to the way the Roughriders played the fourth quarter. That was after the playoff loss (link). Regardless after giving it some thought this is a pretty solid hire for O'Shea. Stubler has a proven track record (one that has more success than failure) and one that has a lot of experience in this league (valuable considering how young this whole staff is). While O'Shea is a huge wild card, I would argue he can't possibly be any worse than Burke and so this makes it 2/2 in upgrades at the coaching staff spots right now in my opinion. The vets on that BC defence really like their scapegoats. Last year it was all Cauchy Muamba's fault. Apparently this year they're picking Stubler to blame their early exit on. After watching Cauchy play last year, it's hard to disagree with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 I think we have decent personnel for a 3-4. would be a great way to get Parker and Wild on the field at the same time... Plus I think Anderson and Turner are perfect DE's for that system. Just need to get Bilukidi here for the NT position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueandgold Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 While not thrilled with his recent work, I do think adding someone with his experience will be a very big help. Definitely an upgrade from Creehan Look at how Edmonton performed in 2011 compared to 2012/13. I'm quite a bit happier with Stubler rather than Baron Miles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweep the leg Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 Stubler was released by the Lions today. http://blogs.theprovince.com/2013/12/07/lions-dump-rich-stubler/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR. CFL Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 Let the recycling program begin. Let's help Stubler complete his circuit of the CFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Blue Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 Stubler was released by the Lions today. http://blogs.theprovince.com/2013/12/07/lions-dump-rich-stubler/ You know, you gotta wonder about Benevides in BC. Getting rid of or mutually parting with two very proven and successful coordinators. Not saying he was wrong to do it, but you have to wonder how he expects to upgrade there. Wonder if Barron Miles will be the top choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuranBoldenRules Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 Personally, I feel that Stubler has been done for awhile, back to his last couple years in Toronto (07-08). I'm not a huge fan of the avoid the deep ball but give up most of the rest of the field (including the run) approach, that's how we ended up killing Stubler's defence on route to the 07 Grey Cup game. CFL offences have evolved (call it the Trestman Revolution), and the deep ball is the lowest percentage throw, the shorter the pass the higher the completion rate. Offences are all about high percentage plays. Top OC's will run the ball when they are getting 8-9 YPC. Defences need to challenge QB's and hold gaps. The best approach for a defence is more of a hybrid and showing a million different looks so the offence can't safely decide where the ball is going before the snap. Nobody is having success because of this style of defence in recent CFL history, basically since Stubler and Marshall were the top DC's in the mid-00's. The only way this defence works is if you have an offence that is going to stay on the field for long stretches. You could see it's downfall when BC lost Lulay. It isn't going to create turnovers or 2 and outs. Toss in Stubler's rumoured health concerns and I'm not that enthused about this rumoured hire, unless Stubler is going to be a consultant or something. JohnnyOnTheSpot, Atomic, saskbluefan and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.O.A.B. Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 if we can only keep Dickenson or bring Dyce as ST Coordinator that would be a good supporting cast for Coach O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluto Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 once you change your mindset to what Stubes tries to do on defence (ie: force an offence to consistently create drives of 10+ plays in order to score) you'll appreciate his D and its underlying philosophy. been expecting this announcement for a few weeks. this will be a very solid add. (as for comments about poaching our players, while it is certainly within the realm of the possible... i see them as being much more likely to got to the Esks since Jones does this every time he moves... look for guys like McCune and (gawd i hope not) Ball to be in Green and Yellow) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebusrankin Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 Bluto, Edmonton can have McCune, I'll take Pat Watkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluto Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 Bluto, Edmonton can have McCune, I'll take Pat Watkins. i doubt that you will. so far i agree with literally everything the WBB have done this off season and all i can do is hope that you guys screw it all up by taking Khari. DR. CFL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Blue Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 Re: Philosophies. The comparison to Greg Marshall in my opinion has strengths and weaknesses. For one, I think Marshall's been overvalued for quite some time. Maybe it's because I don't remember his work in the early '00s but for as long as I can remember, he hasn't put forth many strong defenses. Like Kavis Reed, I would suggest that he is working off of his reputation more than actual results. Can you make the same argument with Stubler? Probably, but I don't think it's as strong. He's had more recent success, though I realize 'success' is hard to define here and will vary by each person's definition. Perhaps some of the philosophies are similar to Marshall's, but he just executes better. I can't say I'm a fan of the philosophy (I much prefer an aggressive, blitzing defense for CFL offenses) but I think his ideas have merit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
road griller Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 I will take the 'bend don't break' over 'the bend then break' we have been seeing from Stinkerville over the past two seasons. Bring on the changes, so glad they did not keep timbo around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iso_55 Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 With a 3-4 we'll need active linebackers. Muamba would be a natural in one of the ILB positions.... Juwan Simpson is a FA & story in Calgary today is that his former DC Rick Campbell will try to sign him.... He'd look good here with Muamba as the 2 interior linebackers in a 3-4. this guys will look good too here: Kyries Hebert (MTL), Damaso Munoz (EDM), Simone Lawrence (HAM)... I'm also interested in Marc-Olivier and/or Brouillette Marc Calixte, we can do a 3 NI rotation in the ILB if we get one of those guys Calixte retired after the 2012 season. And he was strictly a ST player. Never played a regular lb spot for the Stamps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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