2-0 is the goal, Jake and that Dline should feast, 15th straight sellout, rain or not.........LETS ******* GO!!!!!!!

15 hours ago, Nolby said:

The offense was far from "sputtering" The defense absolutely blew a fantastic Collaros performance. Watched the post game from O'Shea last, you know we all knew the same issue, which was the defense.

No one can say Collaros played badly. He played great. Our passing game was humming. Nield & Tim White are going to a thousand yard receiver for us. So will Demski if he stays healthy. Wilson is our deep threat. If we can improve our boundary receiver & bench Cobb we'll be tough to stop. Zach made one mistake all night trying to get a touchdown in FG range. He could probably throw that pass a dozen times & Kasatonis has no play on it. He was in the right spot at the right time. It looks like Collaros is having fun again. Just shows you what a stupid decision it was to promote Hogan then keep him as an OC last season.

1 hour ago, Booch said:

Thing is...Griffin is way better SAM than Kramdi and thru 2 games has been one our more consistent defenders. We tied to Kramdi tho somewhere as would look kinda bad paying your 3rd highest paid defender on the bench..he is best in a situation role but we pay him like some elite guy..and he just isnt..who cares how smart he is.

When woodbey is back we be better served pulling one of Jones or Kyrie and putting Allen at safety..we dont need 2 canadians to meet ratio on defence. And if we give will over to Smith we definitely dont need to go with a canadian safety.

When Eli is 100 percent as well it makes better sense to go back Canadian there and use that extra import elsewhere too..hopefully reciever with Singer and then we could be covered using Vaval more on defence..Guy is a playmaker and could be that on defence too

100%, griffin is a beast. I think if you go with two db types at wil/sam, it doesn’t much matter which side each guy plays you can chase the 3rd slot or play field boundary or just roles.

Kramdi at wil though and griffin on the slot wr is ideal for sure.

I’ve really been impressed with nield, he’s gonna be a stalwart for us for a long time. We still have no business starting 3 ni wrs. Eli at c and singer in would be great.

Lber is a black hole in our roster. but aside from biggies prime and when kyrie was healthy, it’s always been that way with mos and I suspect it always will.

9 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

No one can say Collaros played badly. He played great. Our passing game was humming. Nield & Tim White are going to a thousand yard receiver for us. So will Demski if he stays healthy. Wilson is our deep threat. If we can improve our boundary receiver & bench Cobb we'll be tough to stop. Zach made one mistake all night trying to get a touchdown in FG range. He could probably throw that pass a dozen times & Kasatonis has no play on it. He was in the right spot at the right time. It looks like Collaros is having fun again. Just shows you what a stupid decision it was to promote Hogan then keep him as an OC last season.

Yeah I was skeptical of ZC going into season but he has shown he still can be elite...and his experience will be key. That game in CGY I was willing to give benefit of doubt with some his weak looking tosses with the weather factor

But last night he showed he can still hit intermediate shots with ease, and looks to be a way different in like you mentioned pleasure and doesn't have that frustration on his face like so often last yr.

Definitely another receiver target would be beneficial and sure only so many balls to go around, but you want/need a guy also to actually be a threat out there and take attemtion away from others....our 5th guy doesn't do that

Look when ZC was really humming...We would have Lawler, Adams, Bailey, Demski and Woli...and they all made impact plays....same with when we had Schoen in lieu of Lawler...5 legit receivers make you better, and all can make huge impacts on games...we've seem it

This notion the 5th guy guy can be insignificant and never targeted, and wouldnt effect a game is a load of crap

52 minutes ago, JohnnyAbonny said:

If Eli’s body can handle every down then yeah. His knee has given him a lot of trouble over the years no?

Honestly I like Elsbury there for pass pro though. Line hasn’t looked this good pass blocking since Gossen and Couture were around.

I’d love the roster benefits like you said for sure, and I like Eli too. I just don’t know if you make any oline moves when the throwing game looks like it’s clicking pretty good.

yeah he was retired when we drafted him due to knee injuries out of football for a year and a half i think.

My biggest concern with eli is his efficacy in pass protection, cus it’s sucked when he’s been at guard. I’m not worried much about his body holding up i think it’ll be fine health wise.

I get it with elsbury on paper. He is insanely athletic. He isn’t a road grader at C though. He might actually be better off at G. Some guys are just much better with a guy across from them 90% of snaps.

His pass pro is excellent. If his run game comes along he is 100% worth the time to develop.

That said, he will be nfl bound in a heart beat if he starts to put it all together.

4 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

100%, griffin is a beast. I think if you go with two db types at wil/sam, it doesn’t much matter which side each guy plays you can chase the 3rd slot or play field boundary or just roles.

Kramdi at wil though and griffin on the slot wr is ideal for sure.

I’ve really been impressed with nield, he’s gonna be a stalwart for us for a long time. We still have no business starting 3 ni wrs. Eli at c and singer in would be great.

Lber is a black hole in our roster. but aside from biggies prime and when kyrie was healthy, it’s always been that way with mos and I suspect it always will.

I think with Smith at Wil and keep Griffin put...Use Kramdi like we used Griffin...essentially in all the time anyway like he was...dime..on the edge off line...quasi free safety mode and put Allen back at safety we would be way better served. Especially when Woodbey is back and we can sit one of Wilson/Jones as Ayers and Woodbey...I bet if given chance even Shay could handle the middle...and be way more mobile and not as lost in coverage....like Jones specifically...Wilson isnt as bad

2 minutes ago, Booch said:

Yeah I was skeptical of ZC going into season but he has shown he still can be elite...and his experience will be key. That game in CGY I was willing to give benefit of doubt with some his weak looking tosses with the weather factor

But last night he showed he can still hit intermediate shots with ease, and looks to be a way different in like you mentioned pleasure and doesn't have that frustration on his face like so often last yr.

Definitely another receiver target would be beneficial and sure only so many balls to go around, but you want/need a guy also to actually be a threat out there and take attemtion away from others....our 5th guy doesn't do that

Look when ZC was really humming...We would have Lawler, Adams, Bailey, Demski and Woli...and they all made impact plays....same with when we had Schoen in lieu of Lawler...5 legit receivers make you better, and all can make huge impacts on games...we've seem it

This notion the 5th guy guy can be insignificant and never targeted, and wouldnt effect a game is a load of crap

despite the crappy loss, I see significant reason for optimism. If jy can adjust the secondary and get them where they need to be, we will be very very good.

I worry a bit about TC in the red zone, that’s been a weakness for him in the past. Generally, zach is excellent at converting tds. But I think that will be one of the keys to the season for O. Along with how tc manages to get brady involved when the run game struggles.

2 minutes ago, Booch said:

Yeah I was skeptical of ZC going into season but he has shown he still can be elite...and his experience will be key. That game in CGY I was willing to give benefit of doubt with some his weak looking tosses with the weather factor

But last night he showed he can still hit intermediate shots with ease, and looks to be a way different in like you mentioned pleasure and doesn't have that frustration on his face like so often last yr.

Definitely another receiver target would be beneficial and sure only so many balls to go around, but you want/need a guy also to actually be a threat out there and take attemtion away from others....our 5th guy doesn't do that

Look when ZC was really humming...We would have Lawler, Adams, Bailey, Demski and Woli...and they all made impact plays....same with when we had Schoen in lieu of Lawler...5 legit receivers make you better, and all can make huge impacts on games...we've seem it

This notion the 5th guy guy can be insignificant and never targeted, and wouldnt effect a game is a load of crap

There has to be a receiver on someone's PR we can bring in to compete with Cobb. Why do we do **** like this??? I mean, they let Dobson walk to Hamilton where he became their starting Center. Osh keeps Kolo until this off season. He signs with the Cats & isn't on the field. Makes no sense to me at all what we were tryin g to do. just tells me how much better we could be if we played the best players within the ratio. That, in itself is damned frustrating. How good could we actually be?

1 minute ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

There has to be a receiver on someone's PR we can bring in to compete with Cobb. Why do we do **** like this??? I mean, they let Dobson walk to Hamilton where he became their starting Center. Osh keeps Kolo until this off season. He signs with the Cats & isn't on the field. Makes no sense to me at all what we were tryin g to do. just tells me how much better we could be if we played the best players within the ratio. That, in itself is damned frustrating. How good could we actually be?

osh will die with his favs...he has proven that...and i still stand by my opinion he doesnt have the best eye in evaluating actual talent...he looks at the wrong traits as his benchmark

Just now, wbbfan said:

despite the crappy loss, I see significant reason for optimism. If jy can adjust the secondary and get them where they need to be, we will be very very good.

I worry a bit about TC in the red zone, that’s been a weakness for him in the past. Generally, zach is excellent at converting tds. But I think that will be one of the keys to the season for O. Along with how tc manages to get brady involved when the run game struggles.

With Zach he'll have input into the offense which may change things in the Red Zone. Condell hasn't had a guy like Zach to work with in years. Certainly not in Ottawa or Hamilton once Zach left. He had Dru Brown in Ottawa who couldn't stay healthy. Condell would have had Bo Levi Mitchell in 2023 but he had that disastrous injury plagued season so they wouldn't have worked together for that long. This is probably Condell's best chance to show his chops as an OC with Collaros.

1 minute ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

With Zach he'll have input into the offense which may change things in the Red Zone. Condell hasn't had a guy like Zach to work with in years. Certainly not in Ottawa or Hamilton once Zach left. He had Dru Brown in Ottawa who couldn't stay healthy. Condell would have had Bo Levi Mitchell in 2023 but he had that disastrous injury plagued season so they wouldn't have worked together for that long. This is probably Condell's best chance to show his chops as an OC with Collaros.

Yep. And we already see some of the golden oldie wrinkles from previous ocs being brought back. That’s almost certainly input from zach.

They have a good chance to off set each others weaknesses. Which would make for a great season of bomber football.

32 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

No one can say Collaros played badly. He played great. Our passing game was humming. Nield & Tim White are going to a thousand yard receiver for us. So will Demski if he stays healthy. Wilson is our deep threat. If we can improve our boundary receiver & bench Cobb we'll be tough to stop. Zach made one mistake all night trying to get a touchdown in FG range. He could probably throw that pass a dozen times & Kasatonis has no play on it. He was in the right spot at the right time. It looks like Collaros is having fun again. Just shows you what a stupid decision it was to promote Hogan then keep him as an OC last season.

Not sure if I would use "great" to describe Collaros' performance but it was certainly enough to win if we had an even mediocre effort by the defence. It seems obvious that his arm is not what it has been, but with a decent supporting cast, we ought to be competitive.

2 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

despite the crappy loss, I see significant reason for optimism. If jy can adjust the secondary and get them where they need to be, we will be very very good.

I worry a bit about TC in the red zone, that’s been a weakness for him in the past. Generally, zach is excellent at converting tds. But I think that will be one of the keys to the season for O. Along with how tc manages to get brady involved when the run game struggles.

Our db’s obviously did not play at all where they need to be and football being the ultimate team sport our dline also allowed old man levi to run thru his reads with ease even wheelchairing his way on a 15 yard scamper of his own. ugh. Oh and our linebackers, I really miss having a dominant middle linebacker seems like an eternity since we did.

Gametape review is going to be fun for all.

Edited 16 hours ago16 hr by HardCoreBlue

20 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

100%, griffin is a beast. I think if you go with two db types at wil/sam, it doesn’t much matter which side each guy plays you can chase the 3rd slot or play field boundary or just roles.

Kramdi at wil though and griffin on the slot wr is ideal for sure.

I’ve really been impressed with nield, he’s gonna be a stalwart for us for a long time. We still have no business starting 3 ni wrs. Eli at c and singer in would be great.

Lber is a black hole in our roster. but aside from biggies prime and when kyrie was healthy, it’s always been that way with mos and I suspect it always will.

How soon we forget James West, Henoc Muamba, Delbert Fowler, etc etc.

3 minutes ago, Tracker said:

Not sure if I would use "great" to describe Collaros' performance but it was certainly enough to win if we had an even mediocre effort by the defence.

Then what the **** was it? The int that was tossed wasn't his fault. Receiver wound up on his ass. He threw a touchdown pass to Nield early which the Receiver didn't haul in.

If the defense had played half assed decently, not even good, just not god awful collaros likely drops 40 points on Hamilton and goes over 500 yards.

Collaros was outstanding last night, full stop. As I've said for awhile, he can still be elite with the right pieces around him. I feel we mostly have that this year.

Now, about the defense....

30 minutes ago, Tracker said:

Not sure if I would use "great" to describe Collaros' performance but it was certainly enough to win if we had an even mediocre effort by the defence. It seems obvious that his arm is not what it has been, but with a decent supporting cast, we ought to be competitive.

He had close to 400 yards passing. To me, I'd say that was pretty great.

29 minutes ago, Tracker said:

How soon we forget James West, Henoc Muamba, Delbert Fowler, etc etc.

none of those guys played under mos

If we want a 12-13 win offense we need a vertical threat other than Demski. Like a guy who is 6'1+ who is reliable and knows how to use his body to make space to win contested balls, maybe useful in screen game/bit of YAC threat on the edge. If we really wanted to stay Canadian on O, could have thrown a pile of cash at a guy like Brissett to pair with Nield. I personally would have spent all the free agent money on O. You win with O in this league. Ceresna is nice to have but you need to find the next batch of those guys on rookie deals, not pay him 230,000 or whatever it is.

It's nice if you can spring guys like Wilson or White wide open schematically but there's going to be days when it's a slog to move the ball too and you just need a guy you can put on the boundary, force man by formation and have that guy win his route where the QB can put it out there and the guy can go make a play without that QB needing to hit the head of a pin with an perfectly accurate pass.

24 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

none of those guys played under mos

And if they had, we probably would never have heard of them.

10 hours ago, wbbfan said:

100%, griffin is a beast. I think if you go with two db types at wil/sam, it doesn’t much matter which side each guy plays you can chase the 3rd slot or play field boundary or just roles.

Kramdi at wil though and griffin on the slot wr is ideal for sure.

I’ve really been impressed with nield, he’s gonna be a stalwart for us for a long time. We still have no business starting 3 ni wrs. Eli at c and singer in would be great.

Lber is a black hole in our roster. but aside from biggies prime and when kyrie was healthy, it’s always been that way with mos and I suspect it always will.

Maybe Eli is out due to injury and gets his job back. However, it's also possible he isn't very good. Let's hope for the first one.

9 hours ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

If we want a 12-13 win offense we need a vertical threat other than Demski. Like a guy who is 6'1+ who is reliable and knows how to use his body to make space to win contested balls, maybe useful in screen game/bit of YAC threat on the edge. If we really wanted to stay Canadian on O, could have thrown a pile of cash at a guy like Brissett to pair with Nield. I personally would have spent all the free agent money on O. You win with O in this league. Ceresna is nice to have but you need to find the next batch of those guys on rookie deals, not pay him 230,000 or whatever it is.

It's nice if you can spring guys like Wilson or White wide open schematically but there's going to be days when it's a slog to move the ball too and you just need a guy you can put on the boundary, force man by formation and have that guy win his route where the QB can put it out there and the guy can go make a play without that QB needing to hit the head of a pin with an perfectly accurate pass.

I miss Kenny Lawler too

10 hours ago, Booch said:

osh will die with his favs...he has proven that...and i still stand by my opinion he doesnt have the best eye in evaluating actual talent...he looks at the wrong traits as his benchmark

Or maybe Kyle Walters doesnt have the eye for talent. No one can name one player that MOS didn't play that has gone onto being an above average player in this league. Im serious...name one decent player we lost that wasnt SMS. That's on KW.

If MOS after 10 years was playing less talented players certainly one name could be easily found. NAME ONE!

Edited 6 hours ago6 hr by GCn20

Some people I think forget the C in cfl stands for Canadian and you have to dress so many and start so many, we aren’t the only team who starts more than necessary.

Going on and on about Osh and his talent evaluation is insanity. It’s a never ending cycle of I know more than O’Shea does cuz I said so, Osh has his favourites and always will, like most of you don’t have your favourites? Who exactly is O’Shea favouring now?

If O’Shea has a problem it’s that he gives his coordinators to much say, that much is obvious. Everyone wants to make it black and white like O’Shea is deciding who is on O D and special teams but it’s been said by every one of the damn coaches that it’s a collaborative effort yet it’s oshea . It’s just ridiculous already. The O and special teams are rolling, that’s Condell and miller tho, d sucks, that’s cuz oshea cuz oshea oshea oshea. Like really. Just repeating things over and over and over. Same old ****. More ppl used to partake in discussions on this site, god I wonder why they don’t anymore.

We have major problems with American scouting. We basically played an all-American DL with Lawson in there about 2/3 of the time, and zero pressure at any stage of the game.

Reese had one pressure, Jones got a sack on a delayed blitz. BLM was not touched or moved off his spot otherwise. We're playing the guys who showed they belonged in camp/pre-season. The results are pretty bad on D. Fletcher, Dixon, Jenkins have all produced squat through 2 games. Fletcher in particular was just getting bullied by the interior of Hamilton's OL. They were opening gaps wider than the 401 when we put Ceresna on the edge and Fletcher in double A with Lawson or 3 tec.

3 hours ago, GCn20 said:

Or maybe Kyle Walters doesnt have the eye for talent. No one can name one player that MOS didn't play that has gone onto being an above average player in this league. Im serious...name one decent player we lost that wasnt SMS. That's on KW.

If MOS after 10 years was playing less talented players certainly one name could be easily found. NAME ONE!

Kelly over others on roster

Kolo over any pylon we had

JT over many a DT

The Marine

Corcoran over Clercius last yr...I dont care if ZC was annoyed..he doesn't pick the roster

Sam Hurl

Kramdi over Griffin

Korn...just being on a roster

Thats just off top my head

Sure the ownus is on Walters but he isnt out scouting guys..he just signs what the scouts bring to him...he looks at cis talent certainly and we've missed on a lot of picks..hit on a few

Guys tho cut in camp who never really got a shot cause it was predetermined we were going with the old vet..thats on Osh...and who knows what they could have done..I sure that happens elsewhere too and rarely u grab an other teams tc castoff right away until you exhausted your own work first. Funny tho most of the guys we had rostered and moved on from before seem to land elsewhere and play well..and play for a while...this season alone we seen a ton of it

Again..I agree its a collective effort...but end of day its one guy picking the roster..and making the decisions

A collective coaching effort is coaches suggesting...not demanding and having final say...its the HC and if he sees a coach leaning to a lesser player he needs to have the ability to say...Nope , not happening

A HC letting a assistant coach or a meddling owner pick his roster...is on fast track to unemployment...or middling success

As always its both MOS and KW. Booch outlined several MOS questionable decisions. GC has mentioned that there are several guys KW didn't sign due to $ and JBR mentioned that our US scouting is subpar which ultimately falls on KW. I'll throw in Wade because he's ultimately responsible for MOS+KW.