Banjo Bowl Early Chat

[voodoochylde]

Poor guy.

Loved Schoen and what he brought to this team in terms of toughness and talent - it was was a great combination. Back to back ACL tears though ... that's going to be tough to come back from as a receiver (if he does at all). 

I can't believe this organization trotted him out there again.

[White Out]

 

21 hours ago, greenrider55 said:

I mean, obviously. I’m sure the higher ups on the Riders also call it the Banjo Bowl.

I do not, however, think it makes much sense to be okay with calling the LDC the “Banjo Bowl Preview” but be mad because Rider fans are calling the BB the “Labour Day rematch.” 

Four championships in over a hundred year. Rider fans are ******* stupid lol

[HardCoreBlue]

3 minutes ago, White Out said:

 

Four championships in over a hundred year. Rider fans are ******* stupid lol

12-4

[Brandon]

Sucks about Schoen.   Maybe in two years he can attempt a come back at a much reduced salary?    

[wpgallday1960]

2 minutes ago, Brandon said:

Sucks about Schoen.   Maybe in two years he can attempt a come back at a much reduced salary?    

JMO, I personally think Schoen is done for his career.  Two ACL tears in the same knee (I think) and getting near 30.

I supported his signing and he was OK health wise until the Calgary game.  Bringing him back for the LDC gave us the worst possible outcome.

[bigg jay]

Feel terrible for Schoen and whoever made the call to play him with that injury should feel terrible as well.  Schoen's career shouldn't be the only down the drain - that's inexcusable.

Edited 4 hours ago by bigg jay

[Super Duper Negatron]

So this means we hung our two point attempt to tie the game on a guy with a blown ACL? Like blown earlier, but also reportedly re-injured in the same game?

 

What the **** is wrong with our coaches? Have they learned nothing from the past Grey Cups?

Edited 4 hours ago by Super Duper Negatron

[Booch]

47 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

Havent seen it mentioned else where, but appearently Schoen has blown out the same ACL again. Same one he re injured, and then tried to play through in the LDC.

Guy was clearly not even close to ready all year. Yet we've kept trying to hammer him back into the roster. And now, we've very, very likely ruined him and his career. Clearly, the guy will play through any level of pain and try to help his team out. The staff, and especially Mos have failed to protect him as a player, and the teams investment in him. It's a series of unforgiveable, unconscionable mistakes. They just ruined a generational talent, and who knows what his quality of life will end up like down the road. 

we ruined him....Injuring a repaired knee after it hasn't fully healed...bad news...he wont even be seen next yr....consider him done...I cant see a 2027 comeback being anything other than meh. Osh needs to go....Couture and his staff too have my doubts about...consider who we rostered the last few yrs in the playoffs

We effectively this yr more or less took ourselves outta both the Lawler and Schoen sweepstakes...on a grey cup year...and passed on Rhymes..Coxie...Lewis...Dunbar...among others

Just the fact he re-injured it...and we knew it and played him anyway....sickens me....I can see a first time and nottotal tear, as you can brace it and somewhat play on it...tho not ideal for a reciever...but none the less...what a epic mistreatment of a player

If you recall as soon as I heard he was braced up in practice....i said bad news..red flags...he gonna be done sooner than later...low and behold

Man it not even my knee and I furious about this....

49 minutes ago, SectionKBlackout said:

Oshea has become Dave Ritchie at the end of his tenure. If you're not his guys, you don't play.

Per Ed Tait. Schoen tore his acl in Calgary and tried to play through it. Done for the year.

Ritchie tho was a an actual coach...and his guys were his Achilles heel...but he also rostered the best available for most part....until they had next to know tread....big difference....better coach...

46 minutes ago, Mike said:

Legit ridiculous we did this AGAIN where we trot a guy out there with an injury when we’ve been burned by it so many ******* times

at what point is this just no longer “loyalty”? when does it become “negligence”?

Saw with Logan too....clearly not ready....Dude didnt just lose it over an off-season

And also....I wouldnt even call it loyalty in a lot of instances....some yeah..alot stupidity....and a lot playing to his fav's...

[Bigblue204]

2 hours ago, aalgernon said:

Changing the topic, but I haven't seen much acknowledgement of how smart it was of Sask to do the "quick kick" on third down near the end of the game last week. The Bombers did not at ALL see it coming... we should have been better prepared. I would generally think O'Shea would be able to anticipate such a thing, even though it was really quite out of the blue.

In that situation, no. You play the play as if they're going for it. That could have been a huge moment had they gone for it. I'm not faulting the coaches for that at all. Nichols got a **** bounce from the ball. 

1 hour ago, Slimy Sculpin said:

Yes, when was the last time the Bombers did something "surprizing"? Several times this year on 3rd and short (3-4 yards), I've seen the middle of the opposition's 3rd down D peel off or get blocked to the side leaving quite the gap with the oppositoion moving/leaning the opposite way. Has Sheehan, who I assume has some athletic ability, ever scooted up the middle for those yards? I realize that he's got to make up the behind the LOS yards but, IMO, there have been big lanes available.

They snapped the ball in shotgun formation on 2nd and inches....that was surprising....

[Booch]

44 minutes ago, voodoochylde said:

Poor guy.

Loved Schoen and what he brought to this team in terms of toughness and talent - it was was a great combination. Back to back ACL tears though ... that's going to be tough to come back from as a receiver (if he does at all). 

I can't believe this organization trotted him out there again.

sadly...I can

16 minutes ago, Brandon said:

Sucks about Schoen.   Maybe in two years he can attempt a come back at a much reduced salary?    

doubt it....I think thats last we seen of him...Can thank Osh on that one too....He put him on roster

12 minutes ago, wpgallday1960 said:

JMO, I personally think Schoen is done for his career.  Two ACL tears in the same knee (I think) and getting near 30.

I supported his signing and he was OK health wise until the Calgary game.  Bringing him back for the LDC gave us the worst possible outcome.

I agree....been there....and re-injuring a new rebuild before it actually rebuilt...bad news...

4 minutes ago, bigg jay said:

Feel terrible for Schoen and whoever made the call to play him with that injury should feel terrible as well.  Schoen's career shouldn't be the only down the drain - that's inexcusable.

you know who made the decision....D'oSHE

5 minutes ago, Super Duper Negatron said:

So this means we hung our two point attempt to tie the game on a guy with a blown ACL? Like blown earlier, but also reportedly re-injured in the same game?

 

What the **** is wrong with our coaches? Have they learned nothing from the past Grey Cups?

TOP TEIR LEADERSHIPEH? There a reason we lost last 3 in row....

[Bigblue204]

35 minutes ago, White Out said:

 

Four championships in over a hundred year. Rider fans are ******* stupid lol

lol considering the Rider players themselves were constantly talking (To the media no less) about how fans would always say "I don't care what your record is, just beat WPG on Labour Day"...I'm not sure that guy should be posting about mid season grey cups.

[rebusrankin]

I'm livid we have apparently ruined Schoen and his career. Who decided to play a guy on a torn ACL. That is malpractice.

[Dr Zaius]

haha rider fans saying the toilet bowl is louder than IGF now too.

****ing delusional group. My god 

[Booch]

6 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

I'm livid we have apparently ruined Schoen and his career. Who decided to play a guy on a torn ACL. That is malpractice.

well...who makes the roster??

The fact he tore a just repaired ACL ....right there you shut him down....Sure you can brace it but can make things a lot worse....and just delays the surgery....wont heal without it....just incompatence top to bottom...even if the player "agreed" to try....you just dont do that...especially woth a marquee player

I like how Osh said he "tried to play though it" orwas he forced...influenced with bad advice?....just sickening

[bustamente]

24 minutes ago, Dr Zaius said:

haha rider fans saying the toilet bowl is louder than IGF now too.

****ing delusional group. My god 

It's funny cause it's just as loud when it's half empty compared to when they have a sell out. 

[ddanger]

1 hour ago, voodoochylde said:

Poor guy.

Loved Schoen and what he brought to this team in terms of toughness and talent - it was was a great combination. Back to back ACL tears though ... that's going to be tough to come back from as a receiver (if he does at all). 

I can't believe this organization trotted him out there again.

I'm no doctor or anything like that, but if he tore it playing Calgary, why in the world would they put him out there even if he is wearing a brace. Kind like putting Zach out when his throwing hand is bleeding.

[Arnold_Palmer]

I loved this era of blue bomber football, I appreciate all the good memories in the past decade but I really think it’s time to clean house this off season. I want a head coach who cares about player safety, not someone who thinks it’s heroic to play injured, it’s cost us a lot of big games, and now potentially Schoens career. 

[ShyGuy]

42 minutes ago, Dr Zaius said:

haha rider fans saying the toilet bowl is louder than IGF now too.

****ing delusional group. My god 

If this were true there'd be some ******* in green in a picture at field level with a sound level meter and it would be all over social media.

[17to85]

1 hour ago, White Out said:

 

Four championships in over a hundred year. Rider fans are ******* stupid lol

Lol.... said as if the Bombers haven't played in the grey cup 5 straight years. Oh man they are a special group aren't they...

[BomberBall.]

46 minutes ago, Booch said:

well...who makes the roster??

The fact he tore a just repaired ACL ....right there you shut him down....Sure you can brace it but can make things a lot worse....and just delays the surgery....wont heal without it....just incompatence top to bottom...even if the player "agreed" to try....you just dont do that...especially woth a marquee player

I like how Osh said he "tried to play though it" orwas he forced...influenced with bad advice?....just sickening

Is that what he said?  Ridiculous, but not surprising.  There needs to be a point where the coaches have to step in and save a player from himself.  A player wanting to play through a particular injury, does not absolve you of any responsibility.  Like you said…. Just sickening.

[JohnnyAbonny]

2 minutes ago, Arnold_Palmer said:

I loved this era of blue bomber football, I appreciate all the good memories in the past decade but I really think it’s time to clean house this off season. I want a head coach who cares about player safety, not someone who thinks it’s heroic to play injured, it’s cost us a lot of big games, and now potentially Schoens career. 

There was so much that could have been done to avoid it, but at this point I’m afraid  you may be right. The core of the team was alower to all age out at the same time and coaching/management have made too many boneheaded decisions over the past 2+ years. 
 

Out of the guys we currently have, who can you rebuild/reload a team around starting in 26? 
 

QB- Zach is 37, Strev is pretty much done. We have no idea about Wilson but Inhave my doubts, no idea about Artopeous. No idea if Elgersma will ever come here. 
 

RB- Brady is still in his prime. Peterson is a solid backup. We’re pretty good here 

WR- Demski is playing very well but getting up there in age age, and pretty beat up, probably doesn’t have a lot of years left. Pokey is a keeper, Clercius is a keeper. Wheatfall is solid but not special. Everyone else is borderline useless. 
 

OL- Wallace with some seasoning will be a keeper, Bryant is old. Vanterpool and Randolph are keepers. 

DL- 

Willie is on the downside of his career, though he’s one of my all Time favourite Bombers and a surefire HOFer. Vaughters is washed. 
Woods needs to start a number of games to see if he’s worth keeping. Adams is decent but not great. Thomas and Kornelson, we all know. 

LB- Woodbey is promising but we’ve only seen 1 game. The rookie Canadians are promising but completely untested. Tony Jones is mediocre, Wilson is old.
J. Jones never sees the field but should be a keeper based off how he played for TO. 

DB- Griffin is a keeper. Allen is a maybe. Vaval is a maybe. Holm is pushing 30. Nichols is aging rapidly. Others are mediocre at best. 

ST- Sergio is very good, Sheehan has improved. 

Leaves us with maybe 7-8 skill players worth moving forward with on both sides combined. 2-3 OL. 1-2 DL. 
 

I’m pretty sure we need a full scale rebuild at this point, the cupboards are pretty bare. 

[HardCoreBlue]

19 minutes ago, JohnnyAbonny said:

There was so much that could have been done to avoid it, but at this point I’m afraid  you may be right. The core of the team was alower to all age out at the same time and coaching/management have made too many boneheaded decisions over the past 2+ years. 
 

Out of the guys we currently have, who can you rebuild/reload a team around starting in 26? 
 

QB- Zach is 37, Strev is pretty much done. We have no idea about Wilson but Inhave my doubts, no idea about Artopeous. No idea if Elgersma will ever come here. 
 

RB- Brady is still in his prime. Peterson is a solid backup. We’re pretty good here 

WR- Demski is playing very well but getting up there in age age, and pretty beat up, probably doesn’t have a lot of years left. Pokey is a keeper, Clercius is a keeper. Wheatfall is solid but not special. Everyone else is borderline useless. 
 

OL- Wallace with some seasoning will be a keeper, Bryant is old. Vanterpool and Randolph are keepers. 

DL- 

Willie is on the downside of his career, though he’s one of my all Time favourite Bombers and a surefire HOFer. Vaughters is washed. 
Woods needs to start a number of games to see if he’s worth keeping. Adams is decent but not great. Thomas and Kornelson, we all know. 

LB- Woodbey is promising but we’ve only seen 1 game. The rookie Canadians are promising but completely untested. Tony Jones is mediocre, Wilson is old.
J. Jones never sees the field but should be a keeper based off how he played for TO. 

DB- Griffin is a keeper. Allen is a maybe. Vaval is a maybe. Holm is pushing 30. Nichols is aging rapidly. Others are mediocre at best. 

ST- Sergio is very good, Sheehan has improved. 

Leaves us with maybe 7-8 skill players worth moving forward with on both sides combined. 2-3 OL. 1-2 DL. 
 

I’m pretty sure we need a full scale rebuild at this point, the cupboards are pretty bare. 

I was thinking the other day when I saw a prediction that the Jets by 2030 will be bottom of the league full rebuild and it got me thinking in theory is not the role of a GM and his support team to never get the organization into the position of needing a significant rebuild?

Is this a reasonable expectation across the board for professional sports GM's or are there way too many factors involved that make it easier/harder (city, revenue etc) for some GM's over others?

Edited 2 hours ago by HardCoreBlue

[sweep the leg]

5 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:

I was thinking the other day when I saw a prediction that the Jets by 2030 will be bottom of the league full rebuild and it got me thinking in theory is not the role of a GM and his support team to never get the organization into the position of needing a significant rebuild?

Is this a reasonable expectation across the board for professional sports GM's or are there way too many factors involved that make it easier/harder (city, revenue etc) for some GM's over others?

IMO you want to be either in contention at the top or at the very bottom. Bottom out, draft your franchise player, and climb the ladder again.

CFL is obviously different, as the draft isn’t as important as the bigger leagues.

[captaincanuck12]

Apologies if this has been posted before.  Absolutely abysmal management of the players health here.

 

 

[Tracker]

3 hours ago, wbbfan said:

Havent seen it mentioned else where, but appearently Schoen has blown out the same ACL again. Same one he re injured, and then tried to play through in the LDC.

Guy was clearly not even close to ready all year. Yet we've kept trying to hammer him back into the roster. And now, we've very, very likely ruined him and his career. Clearly, the guy will play through any level of pain and try to help his team out. The staff, and especially Mos have failed to protect him as a player, and the teams investment in him. It's a series of unforgiveable, unconscionable mistakes. They just ruined a generational talent, and who knows what his quality of life will end up like down the road. 

We don't know if he lied to the doctors about how good his knee was and how ready he was to play, but if he has reinjured the same knee ligament, this is bad news, The team will cope, one way or another, but his ability to live an active, pain-free life is very much in question now.