Banjo Bowl Early Chat

[Atomic]

10 minutes ago, sweep the leg said:

Does Bailey count as Canadian?

I agree there are. Tait’s point was we needed a 21st Canadian. Options are thin for that.

You can go 20 Canadians and 2 Global or 21 Canadians and 1 Global

[3rdand1.5]

I am throwing my hat into the ring, that this d-line looks bad.....I get it we need to meet roster requirements......and I get it special teams' coverage is important.......

 

But....the reality is we are razor thin on Canadians, so much so that it is affecting our overall roster talent....we no longer have the luxury of deep Canadian depth, that can play at a high level.....in saying that something has to be "less than ideal" this week, we apparently chose that to be the d-line....it's bold but I firmly stand on the hill of probably not the best way to manipulate the roster.......Do we really need so many LB's......If one Imp. LB comes off, we can roster a better D-line.....A better D-line vs. less support on special teams....Is Vibert good enough to be a 7th O-lineman, is so Vanterpool comes off Vibert goes on, this balances the ratio requirements so Korn can go off and an import D-line can go on.......I am not privy to what goes on behind closed doors, but to me I see either of those moves as being "better" roster management.......

 

Let's hope Korn, plays with a burning fire to prove cutting him was wrong and elevates his game beyond his ceiling this week......but boy I do question the roster this week...... 

[Booch]

1 hour ago, 17to85 said:

Ayers off real lineman on. Easy 

Ed Tait also has to carry water for the team.

so full of crap...could have left Cobb on...Bailey as an extra Global could have came on...Vibert could have been dressed on lieu of Vpool who has been injured, and used that spot Adams or Woods....As much as we use Ayers...or actually dont use...could have dropped him and had BOTH Adams and Woods on. Woodney has effectively taken over any role he would have had on defense Korn was no good before...and has been inactive for 3 weeks now?...and immediately on...effectively making our dline weaker this weak...and it was a sore spot last...Good Job

And yeah...why sign Houston to not use him....I still believe too Echols would give us more than Mitchel does...tho we seem to avoid him too

 

21 minutes ago, sweep the leg said:

Does Bailey count as Canadian?

I agree there are. Tait’s point was we needed a 21st Canadian. Options are thin for that.

 

yes...you can use an extra global as that spot...Vibert and or Cobb would have served more use than a gy cut for..well sucking

42 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

Bailey for Kornelson would also work. Cobb for Kornelson would also work. I like Tait but this spout the company line when its easy for anybody to point out its bs is frustrating.

he will defend Osh at all costs...Osh clearly is an issue and does what he wants...not whats best

Again poor use of roster....and I expect a loss as i cant see that front doing any damage unless Korn and Thomas are on soley as injury replacement and aren't used

Can't wait for us to move on from this HC...still on fence with G.M....but man what a joke

[HardCoreBlue]

2 minutes ago, 3rdand1.5 said:

I am throwing my hat into the ring, that this d-line looks bad.....I get it we need to meet roster requirements......and I get it special teams' coverage is important.......

 

But....the reality is we are razor thin on Canadians, so much so that it is affecting our overall roster talent....we no longer have the luxury of deep Canadian depth, that can play at a high level.....in saying that something has to be "less than ideal" this week, we apparently chose that to be the d-line....it's bold but I firmly stand on the hill of probably not the best way to manipulate the roster.......Do we really need so many LB's......If one Imp. LB comes off, we can roster a better D-line.....A better D-line vs. less support on special teams....Is Vibert good enough to be a 7th O-lineman, is so Vanterpool comes off Vibert goes on, this balances the ratio requirements so Korn can go off and an import D-line can go on.......I am not privy to what goes on behind closed doors, but to me I see either of those moves as being "better" roster management.......

 

Let's hope Korn, plays with a burning fire to prove cutting him was wrong and elevates his game beyond his ceiling this week......but boy I do question the roster this week...... 

Just to get ahead of this when we win this weekend it will not negate any (most) of this current conversation on our roster management. 🙂

[Booch]

6 minutes ago, 3rdand1.5 said:

I am throwing my hat into the ring, that this d-line looks bad.....I get it we need to meet roster requirements......and I get it special teams' coverage is important.......

 

But....the reality is we are razor thin on Canadians, so much so that it is affecting our overall roster talent....we no longer have the luxury of deep Canadian depth, that can play at a high level.....in saying that something has to be "less than ideal" this week, we apparently chose that to be the d-line....it's bold but I firmly stand on the hill of probably not the best way to manipulate the roster.......Do we really need so many LB's......If one Imp. LB comes off, we can roster a better D-line.....A better D-line vs. less support on special teams....Is Vibert good enough to be a 7th O-lineman, is so Vanterpool comes off Vibert goes on, this balances the ratio requirements so Korn can go off and an import D-line can go on.......I am not privy to what goes on behind closed doors, but to me I see either of those moves as being "better" roster management.......

 

Let's hope Korn, plays with a burning fire to prove cutting him was wrong and elevates his game beyond his ceiling this week......but boy I do question the roster this week...... 

Bailey...Woods...Adams...all have played on ST in kick coverage, and on Kick returns....we could have net ratio in a multitude of ways

This is just another prime example of making excuses for a Smug bias'ed HC who has a real poor ability to maximize his roster....and I have serious doubts in his ability to evaluate talent

And it's not bold...it's plain stupid and bordering now on amateur hourish now....

2 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:

Just to get ahead of this when we win this weekend it will not negate any (most) of this current conversation on our roster management. 🙂

ha! yeah...if we win...and I feel it gonna be a big if...it wont be because of this roster...will be in spite of it...and likely cause the offence has the odd game of where they go off and just control things

More lipstick on a pig tovalidate going status quo...only to be exposed when it matters...again

Edited 2 hours ago by Booch

[HardCoreBlue]

3 minutes ago, Booch said:

Bailey...Woods...Adams...all have played on ST in kick coverage, and on Kick returns....we could have net ratio in a multitude of ways

This is just another prime example of making excuses for a Smug bias'ed HC who has a real poor ability to maximize his roster....and I have serious doubts in his ability to evaluate talent

And it's not bold...it's plain stupid and bordering now on amateur hourish now....

ha! yeah...if we win...and I feel it gonna be a big if...it wont be because of this roster...will be in spite of it...and likely cause the offence has the odd game of where they go off and just control things

More lipstick on a pig tovalidate going status quo...only to be exposed when it matters...again

c’mon @Booch say it with me: not if, when we win. You can do it, find your centre. Namaste. (Insert Booch throat punching HardCoreBlue gif)

[Booch]

Just now, HardCoreBlue said:

c’mon @Booch say it with me: not if, when we win. You can do it, find your centre. Namaste. (Insert Booch throat punching HardCoreBlue gif)

generally I think we should win most games....just cant confidently say that ....part of it is I think we will be outmatched on the coaching/scheme side of things once again

[17to85]

Even if we win it doesn't change the fact that the defensive line they're messing is bullshit and the roster usage is sub par. They've won a lot last few years and people still complain they do it on hard mode with the roster usage.

[sweep the leg]

53 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

Bailey for Kornelson would also work. Cobb for Kornelson would also work. I like Tait but this spout the company line when it’s easy for anybody to point out its bs is frustrating.

I find it weird we’re going after Tait for what he said. Who the 21st Canadian is doesn’t really matter. I would dress Cobb, but It’s the use of Di’s that’s the problem. 

[aalgernon]

Changing the topic, but I haven't seen much acknowledgement of how smart it was of Sask to do the "quick kick" on third down near the end of the game last week. The Bombers did not at ALL see it coming... we should have been better prepared. I would generally think O'Shea would be able to anticipate such a thing, even though it was really quite out of the blue.

[Booch]

1 minute ago, 17to85 said:

Even if we win it doesn't change the fact that the defensive line they're messing is bullshit and the roster usage is sub par. They've won a lot last few years and people still complain they do it on hard mode with the roster usage.

win just glosses over the issues, and makes the ineptness just continue that much longer...we've been etting weaker and weaker and less deep as the last 4 yrs have ticked by...we had some wins.....sure in reg season...but when rubber met road....we got beat....and for the same 3..4 reasons....and it's manifesting again

Just now, sweep the leg said:

I find it weird we’re going after Tait for what he said. Who the 21st Canadian is doesn’t really matter. I would dress Cobb, but It’s the use of Di’s that’s the problem. 

cause he either full of crap...or just perpetuating Osh's b.s to justify his choice...Thats why

B

[Tracker]

Just now, aalgernon said:

Changing the topic, but I haven't seen much acknowledgement of how smart it was of Sask to do the "quick kick" on third down near the end of the game last week. The Bombers did not at ALL see it coming... we should have been better prepared. I would generally think O'Shea would be able to anticipate such a thing, even though it was really quite out of the blue.

There are LOT of things O'Shea et al should be able to foresee. But.....

[Booch]

1 minute ago, aalgernon said:

Changing the topic, but I haven't seen much acknowledgement of how smart it was of Sask to do the "quick kick" on third down near the end of the game last week. The Bombers did not at ALL see it coming... we should have been better prepared. I would generally think O'Shea would be able to anticipate such a thing, even though it was really quite out of the blue.

goes along with the narrative we been out coached badly a lot of times....and we ourselves never do anything outside the norm tocatch a team

Same withthe no end penalty...too many men...a coaching staff on the ball would see that and call a tiemeout, but alas

[HardCoreBlue]

3 minutes ago, Booch said:

generally I think we should win most games....just cant confidently say that ....part of it is I think we will be outmatched on the coaching/scheme side of things once again

hey i just know there are a few with their fingers ready to pounce with posts after we win. Always good fun.

[17to85]

Bottom line, oshea has lost the edge he had prior. Too much complacency with this team coach included.

[JuranBoldenRules]

22 minutes ago, aalgernon said:

Changing the topic, but I haven't seen much acknowledgement of how smart it was of Sask to do the "quick kick" on third down near the end of the game last week. The Bombers did not at ALL see it coming... we should have been better prepared. I would generally think O'Shea would be able to anticipate such a thing, even though it was really quite out of the blue.

Was also a perfect bounce on the kick.

 

Worst thing Bombers are doing is using Vaval as full time DB and returner.

Put Echols on for Mitchell if Mitchell can’t return.

[rebusrankin]

It was a great play call by the Riders. Now I feel dirty.

[Slimy Sculpin]

47 minutes ago, Booch said:

goes along with the narrative we been out coached badly a lot of times....and we ourselves never do anything outside the norm tocatch a team

Same withthe no end penalty...too many men...a coaching staff on the ball would see that and call a tiemeout, but alas

Yes, when was the last time the Bombers did something "surprizing"? Several times this year on 3rd and short (3-4 yards), I've seen the middle of the opposition's 3rd down D peel off or get blocked to the side leaving quite the gap with the oppositoion moving/leaning the opposite way. Has Sheehan, who I assume has some athletic ability, ever scooted up the middle for those yards? I realize that he's got to make up the behind the LOS yards but, IMO, there have been big lanes available.

[Booch]

51 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:

hey i just know there are a few with their fingers ready to pounce with posts after we win. Always good fun.

Oh I know...I was not attacking your post...more adding to it...The "yeah But" crowd just itching to say "see...Osh knows what he doing" when the only roster change this week that will hopefully have any impact on the win is Pokey...but there are several that likely are part of reason for a loss tho

3 minutes ago, Slimy Sculpin said:

Yes, when was the last time the Bombers did something "surprizing"? Several times this year on 3rd and short (3-4 yards), I've seen the middle of the opposition's 3rd down D peel off or get blocked to the side leaving quite the gap with the oppositoion moving/leaning the opposite way. Has Sheehan, who I assume has some athletic ability, ever scooted up the middle for those yards? I realize that he's got to make up the behind the LOS yards but, IMO, there have been big lanes available.

we used to back when we were scratching and clawing trying to be successful and were hungry....

Osh always seemed to come up with something...a trickery here and there...take advantage of an obscure rue....gamble

Now he is all for lack of better term "fay and sassy"and figures he's solved the Rubik's cube and he can just sit in autopilot and reward his fav's...and the team will figure it out...and now is the time to coach,and he showing like before the run when lineup wasnt stacked...and now...that he isnt really that good a coach...maybe leader and culture curator...but coach and evaluator of talent, and a guy with ability to solve an issue on the fly in a game....not so much

 

[HardCoreBlue]

33 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

It was a great play call by the Riders. Now I feel dirty.

As you should. 

[wbbfan]

4 hours ago, voodoochylde said:

Mark's joke went right over your head .. didn't it

lol youre right. 

 

4 hours ago, 17to85 said:

Thats some play off mop level performance posting right there. 

[wbbfan]

3 hours ago, Atomic said:

Wilson, Kramdi, Kornelson, Peterson, Vanterpool IN

Logan, Schoen, Cobb, Schmekel, Weitz OUT

Wallace is a GTD

 

On one hand I'd rather see houston in, on the other, some continuity might be good for the young guys. I wonder if Kramdi is going to be playing 2nd S etc again. Griffin is better than package wil, if any thing he should start over either corner. 

I hope vanterpool starts. Glad we aren't gonna be in a bad spot with vibert or eli at G. 

I'd rather keep Cobb on than corc. he has good hand's but not a lot else, where as cobb can fill in and do a lot more in a pinch. I wonder if Mitchell will take part of the return duties with logan off.

WR core could be decent, if we use mitchell and wheatfall actually has a game. I'd like to see one of those 2 sat if they struggle though. 

hate the DL. 

1 hour ago, aalgernon said:

Changing the topic, but I haven't seen much acknowledgement of how smart it was of Sask to do the "quick kick" on third down near the end of the game last week. The Bombers did not at ALL see it coming... we should have been better prepared. I would generally think O'Shea would be able to anticipate such a thing, even though it was really quite out of the blue.

100%. 

1 hour ago, 3rdand1.5 said:

I am throwing my hat into the ring, that this d-line looks bad.....I get it we need to meet roster requirements......and I get it special teams' coverage is important.......

 

But....the reality is we are razor thin on Canadians, so much so that it is affecting our overall roster talent....we no longer have the luxury of deep Canadian depth, that can play at a high level.....in saying that something has to be "less than ideal" this week, we apparently chose that to be the d-line....it's bold but I firmly stand on the hill of probably not the best way to manipulate the roster.......Do we really need so many LB's......If one Imp. LB comes off, we can roster a better D-line.....A better D-line vs. less support on special teams....Is Vibert good enough to be a 7th O-lineman, is so Vanterpool comes off Vibert goes on, this balances the ratio requirements so Korn can go off and an import D-line can go on.......I am not privy to what goes on behind closed doors, but to me I see either of those moves as being "better" roster management.......

 

Let's hope Korn, plays with a burning fire to prove cutting him was wrong and elevates his game beyond his ceiling this week......but boy I do question the roster this week...... 

IIRC, Makonzo has been practicing for a while. Shay and Smith are extremely high upside Nis that need reps. We are over extending at DL, if we ran an imp dt again we wouldn't be. bailey at DE gives us the ability to create ratio flex with de. Wr isn't real thin for NI, cobb is on the pr and shouldn't be imo. Peterson is an excellent back up ni rb, Ol is thin with injuries. Eli/wallace as back ups with vanterpool back is actually pretty good ni depth. 

Imo, the problem is our use of canadians. We over use some guys who shouldn't be on the AR, and under use younger better players. Then we also over extend our ratio flexibility by taking off the wrong imps. 

[wbbfan]

Havent seen it mentioned else where, but appearently Schoen has blown out the same ACL again. Same one he re injured, and then tried to play through in the LDC.

Guy was clearly not even close to ready all year. Yet we've kept trying to hammer him back into the roster. And now, we've very, very likely ruined him and his career. Clearly, the guy will play through any level of pain and try to help his team out. The staff, and especially Mos have failed to protect him as a player, and the teams investment in him. It's a series of unforgiveable, unconscionable mistakes. They just ruined a generational talent, and who knows what his quality of life will end up like down the road. 

[SectionKBlackout]

Oshea has become Dave Ritchie at the end of his tenure. If you're not his guys, you don't play.

Per Ed Tait. Schoen tore his acl in Calgary and tried to play through it. Done for the year.

[Mike]

3 minutes ago, SectionKBlackout said:

Oshea has become Dave Ritchie at the end of his tenure. If you're not his guys, you don't play.

Per Ed Tait. Schoen tore his acl in Calgary and tried to play through it. Done for the year.

Legit ridiculous we did this AGAIN where we trot a guy out there with an injury when we’ve been burned by it so many ******* times

at what point is this just no longer “loyalty”? when does it become “negligence”?