3 stars plus hh 17 no longer a lucky number

[wbbfan]

1 demski carried us a lot of the game again 

2 schmekel best game hes played 

3 sergio/sheahan. clutch kick, very good punting 

hh sterns some how dominates the jump ball from behind

block of the game neuf down field for brady on the screen 

crunch of the game cadwallader with a missile tackle after being pushed from being in kick cover 

 

aww that’s dirty, the refs, our second half, and 4thq play call/decisions, and randolph’s decisions. 

honorable mentions, holm, allen, jones, adams, person, wheatfall, and sterns. 

[Super Duper Negatron]

I hate almost everything about this team at the moment. The stupidity of going for that FG is even worse because it diminishes all the other stupidity we should be talking about 

MOS - the coach too chicken to throw his challenge flag, but too arrogant to punt. Incredible.

[Blue28]

2nd and 3. And you take out your QB so the D focuses on the run. Stupid. Epically stupid play call. 
 

Likely one of the worst play calls ive seen in my 1/2 century. 

Edited 10 hours ago by Blue28

[Super Duper Negatron]

Just now, Blue28 said:

2nd and 3. And you take out your QB so the D focuses on the run. Stupid. Epically stupid play call. 

See?! I totally forgot about THAT stupidity!

[Blue28]

If you want to put in Strev.  Have him run a short option rolling to the outside. At least you have a shot at converting it. 
 

please fire Hogan. 

[JohnnyAbonny]

1. Demski- In consideration for MOC of the league. 

2. Schmekel- Far more impactful than JT, and Lawson too quite honestly. 

3. Wheatfall- Held on to the ball after some huge hits. This game probably took years off his life. 
 

HH- Ball for some solid ST play 

HM- Allen and Vaval. In their first starts, looked  better than Parker and Bonds respectively. Especially Vaval, playing boundary corner (well) and returner as a rookie is pretty impressive. 

Edited 10 hours ago by JohnnyAbonny

[Super Duper Negatron]

1 minute ago, JohnnyAbonny said:

1. Demski- In consideration for MOC of the league. 

2. Schmekel- Far more impactful than JT, and Lawson too quite honestly. 

3. Wheatfall- Held on to the ball after some huge hits. This game probably took years off his life. 
 

HH- Ball for some solid ST play 

HM- Allen and Vaval. In their first starts, looked  better than Parker and Bonds respectively. Especially Vaval, playing boundary corner (well) and returner as a rookie is pretty impressive. 

I didn't see the first one but thought Allen's second PI was garbage. 

[Yourface]

3 minutes ago, Super Duper Negatron said:

I didn't see the first one but thought Allen's second PI was garbage. 

I’m usually the first one to defend the officiating but I agree. What happened to “Eligible receivers of both teams have an equal right to the ball”?

[JohnnyAbonny]

7 minutes ago, Super Duper Negatron said:

I didn't see the first one but thought Allen's second PI was garbage. 

They were both bad but first was more ticky tack than the straight up garbage second call. 

[Super Duper Negatron]

1 minute ago, JohnnyAbonny said:

They were both bad but first was more ticky tack than the straight up garbage second call. 

And that one I would love to see Osh challenge to send a message to his rookie that he did nothing wrong.

[JohnnyAbonny]

15 minutes ago, Blue28 said:

2nd and 3. And you take out your QB so the D focuses on the run. Stupid. Epically stupid play call. 
 

Likely one of the worst play calls ive seen in my 1/2 century. 

Especially given the context of the way SY has been with Strev lately, an astronomically dumb decision. 

[BBlink]

23 minutes ago, Blue28 said:

2nd and 3. And you take out your QB so the D focuses on the run. Stupid. Epically stupid play call. 
 

Likely one of the worst play calls ive seen in my 1/2 century. 

Agreed. Couldn't tell for sure but it looked like 2.5-3 yards. And if you have anywhere between 3/4 of a yard to a full yard left on 3rd  you aren't going for it. Having streveler run with virtually every player on the field keying on him was very likely going to end up that way. Beyond stupid.

And then going for the FG? The way Crum was throwing the ball it was very unlikely he was driving the field with the time left on the clock. Trying the FG gave them that opening they needed. Beyond stupid.

[Eternal optimist]

49 minutes ago, Blue28 said:

2nd and 3. And you take out your QB so the D focuses on the run. Stupid. Epically stupid play call. 
 

Likely one of the worst play calls ive seen in my 1/2 century. 

The thing i find crazy with this, is how conservative this 2nd down call is, followed up by the very aggressive FG attempt... 

[17to85]

So Schmekel is basically a young Jake Thomas.... lot of hustle and effort. 

[Sard]

Gotta give Thomas some credit for a couple of plays today... chased down Dru Brown and stayed with him on his cut back, and then knocked down a pass on the next drive.

[Mark H.]

1 hour ago, Super Duper Negatron said:

And that one I would love to see Osh challenge to send a message to his rookie that he did nothing wrong.

He said on the postgame that "he thought it was PI."

[wbbfan]

43 minutes ago, Sard said:

Gotta give Thomas some credit for a couple of plays today... chased down Dru Brown and stayed with him on his cut back, and then knocked down a pass on the next drive.

I mean, Big Jake was given an unblocked clear path to the QB 3 times, but he did make the best of it. And I respect his heart for not giving up on that pursuit. Both metaphorically and literally. 

 Brown was in control of that scramble, though, but when Adams was on him, that was running out of fear and survival. Damn, that dude is quick for a DT. 

Some of the most impressive physical displays on the field tonight, Jake running a marathon, Adams making brown look like Jake Thomas, Schmekel blocking the punt, Vaval closing out Pimpleton for the pkd, Zach running in general, Paddy running 25 yards downfield for a block, Sterns mossing Pickett, Adams and Person one punch move KOs of their OL, and Tony Jones knifing between two blockers, shedding a block and stuffing Stanback for a loss. Honorable mention to Demski for tearing up the RBs' D with YAC, routinely making them look silly.  

When the list of times you physically manhandle the other team in your 1-on-1 match-up is that long, you should win pretty handily. 

Edited 8 hours ago by wbbfan

[Brandon]

2 hours ago, Blue28 said:

2nd and 3. And you take out your QB so the D focuses on the run. Stupid. Epically stupid play call. 
 

Likely one of the worst play calls ive seen in my 1/2 century. 

The worst being the field goal right after  

 

[Booch]

6 hours ago, Sard said:

Gotta give Thomas some credit for a couple of plays today... chased down Dru Brown and stayed with him on his cut back, and then knocked down a pass on the next drive.

sun will shine on a dogs ass once in a while....he did knock a pass down tho yup, his play of the yr...probably the last 5

[Eternal optimist]

HH i would say Castillo. He missed that one pivotal FG but that was a dumb call and into the wind. His first FG was after that bad PI call... if he misses there, entire complexion of that game changes. Also, still hit the game winner when the chips were down.

[Goalie]

HH is Vaval cuz without his returns we do nothing on O. 

8 hours ago, Mark H. said:

He said on the postgame that "he thought it was PI."

And if people are being honest they would accept on replay the booth would have upheld the decision cuz the booth is there to basically back up the refs. We have seen this, we all know this. Osh challenges it, we lose it and then ppl complaining he challenged it. No winning there really. The booth will find even the slightest PI there to justify the on field call. Guaranteed 

Edited 56 minutes ago by Goalie

[Brandon]

2 hours ago, Booch said:

sun will shine on a dogs ass once in a while....he did knock a pass down tho yup, his play of the yr...probably the last 5

It was his best game this year that's for sure.  Unfortunately for him the other guys out shined him by quite a margin.  

[bearpants]

my biggest takeaway from last night is this is just a mediocre team... I have no idea how to fix it and make it a competitor quickly... but right now... we're nowhere near playing in our house for the GC...

seconding what @wbbfan said about the list of good plays made by good players... no reason that game should've been anywhere neat close... especially with a replacement level QB leading the comeback...

 

[wbbfan]

47 minutes ago, Goalie said:

HH is Vaval cuz without his returns we do nothing on O. 

And if people are being honest they would accept on replay the booth would have upheld the decision cuz the booth is there to basically back up the refs. We have seen this, we all know this. Osh challenges it, we lose it and then ppl complaining he challenged it. No winning there really. The booth will find even the slightest PI there to justify the on field call. Guaranteed 

The booth is a coin flip, on if it will be a brutal decision or not. Then another coin flip on if you will win.

 I think a big part of the value of a challenge, though, is momentum both for your team and with the refs. When your team sees the challenge, they know you have their back, it fosters that us vs them mentality, and you can get some increased hustle/effort/heart etc if the team feels they should've won the challenge. The coaches are always working the refs as well, and when they sit and watch all the replays showing they were wrong, you have a good chance, even if you lose, of getting a make up call. 

Even though the review process is a farce most of the time, I think it's an important asset to use. Wasting it gives you nothing, and a double coin flip is more than nothing. 

[wbbfan]

3 minutes ago, bearpants said:

my biggest takeaway from last night is this is just a mediocre team... I have no idea how to fix it and make it a competitor quickly... but right now... we're nowhere near playing in our house for the GC...

seconding what @wbbfan said about the list of good plays made by good players... no reason that game should've been anywhere neat close... especially with a replacement level QB leading the comeback...

 

At this point, I think the shock of any shake-up will have value in the locker room. Imo, you ideally hit a Trade, a Cut, and a Demotion. Show the team, there is no such thing as good enough. 

I'd look to trade Strevy for another vet-ish backup, create a little QB room controversy. A dream cut would be Kola, of course, or Hogan. Demotion could be Hogan, or maybe Streveler, or a few guys.