Blue Bombers - 2025 Regular Season - Discussion Thread

[SpeedFlex27]

32 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:

Nope they are not making any decisions for ZC.

They won't either. Milt just lost a son so I won't say anything about him.

However, I think Osh is a freaking hypocrite saying tht he cares about player safety. Sure... Yeah, like what he did to Schoen this year. The Collaros finger injury in last year's Grey Cup. The injured he started & played in the 2023 Grey Cup. Some, like Biggie, Collaros, Alexander & Demski couldn't run. Osh needs to shut his pie hole when saying that injuries are no one's business but the team & that he cares about player safety because to me he doesn't show it. If the team announced injuries like they used to I believe this kind of bullshit wouldn't happen as questions would be asked as to why an injured player who is  supposed to be 6 gamed are still playing. 

Edited yesterday at 01:28 PM by SpeedFlex27

[Booch]

3 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Osh says he cares about his players & doesn't like to talk about injuries or make them public. Yet, there he is playing an injured Dalton Schoen with a bad ankle in the 2023 Grey Cup & this season twice after he re-injured his knee. For a head coach so worried about his players health, why are injured players sin the lineup? It's amazing how often this has happened.  Look at that 2023 Grey Cup.

If he truly cared about his players health he never would have played them, yet he did. Injured players like Jackson Jeffcoat, Zach Collaros, Biggie, Kyrie Wilson & Rasheed Bailey. If he cared so much then why did they play? Sometimes I think the reason Osh is so secretive with player injuries is so he can play these players with no one actually knowing just how badly injured they are.

Back in the day, teams would release actual injury reports. If a player had a knee injury, they'd actually say what the injury was & how long they'll be out. I don;t believe that type of information was detrimental to any player.

Why should that be so secretive & why would a player feel his privacy has been violated?  These players are public figures. They should realize that injuries are news & fans want to know how long players will be out. If they're injured, then tell us th truth. Don't play a stupid song & dance routine with the media & fans. Don't hide behind some bullshit excuse that no one needs to know what the actual injuries are or recovery time. These type of things shouldn't be a secret. 

Dalton Schoen re-injured his knee in Calgary  then tried to gut it out in Regina only to reinjure his knee again is a prime example of that. How can a head coach claiming to be concerned with his player's health turn around & play Schoen with such a severe knee injury like he has??

and watching Wallace last game on fg unit trying to run and cover after the miss....no way dude should have been out there doing that...guy could barely run, and makes sense with a hip injury at 300+ pounds

Vibert should have been in as that extra Oline guy...and also is a guy who can play center...could have tossed him in for a few reps to get a look....but nope

7 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

They won't either. Milt just lost a son so I won't say anything about him.

However, I think Osh is a freaking hypocrite saying tht he cares about player safety. Sure... Yeah, like what he did to Schoen this year. The Collaros finger injury in last year's Grey Cup. The injured he started & played in the 2023 Grey Cup. Some, like Biggie, Collaros, Alexander & Demski couldn't run. Osh needs to shut his pie hole when saying that injuries are no one's business but the team & that he cares about player safety because to me he doesn't show it. If the team announced injuries like they used to I believe this kind of bullshit wouldn't happen as questions would be asked as to why an injured player who is  supposed to be 6 gamed are still playing. 

ZC...finger...ankle...next yr we had Bailey..Demski...Scoen...Biggie...all could run let alone have any explosiveness or ability to cut/break.....3 yrs straight we played hurt guys for no reason

Edited yesterday at 01:33 PM by Booch

[GCn20]

2 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

They won't either. Milt just lost a son so I won't say anything about him.

However, I think Osh is a freaking hypocrite saying tht he cares about player safety. Sure... Yeah, like what he did to Schoen this year. The Collaros finger injury in last year's Grey Cup. The injured he started & played in the 2023 Grey Cup. Some, like Biggie, Collaros, Alexander & Demski couldn't run. Osh needs to shut his pie hole when saying that injuries are no one's business but the team & that he cares about player safety because to me he doesn't show it. If the team announced injuries like they used to I believe this kind of bullshit wouldn't happen as questions would be asked as to why an injured player who is  supposed to be 6 gamed are still playing. 

You are making a lot of assumptions about players health without having a shred of real information to back it up. You are suggesting that you know more about the Winnipeg Blue Bombers players health than MOS and his team of medical professionals? Look, you make a valid point about rolling out players that aren't 100%. No arguing that. However, player safety is an entirely different thing. Tons of players around this league and every pro football league play through injuries. This isn't something new. If you want to debate whether they should or not that's completely valid. If you want to debate whether the team rolling them out is violating their player safety...prove it. Show me the medical reports.

Edited 23 hours ago by GCn20

[Tracker]

12 hours ago, BigBlueFanatic said:

I’m forever grateful for the ascent of 2016-18 and kings of the mountain 2019-21… but the last few endings have soured me on the Bombers saying they value the person/player first.

When I read O’Shea’s quote from Tait, “But as of anything, any time a guy gets nicked up we are always going to put the player first.”

Sadly my first thought was calling BS.  I’m sure he thinks and believes this.  However, his actions from ZC to Bighill, Bailey, Schoen and many others (even Wallace last game) show that maybe he doesn’t really know what that means… that or the Bombers medical staff is negligent or being overruled.

 

 And I  bet he said that with a straight face, too.

3 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

You are making a lot of assumptions about players health without having a shred of real information to back it up. You are suggesting that you know more about the Winnipeg Blue Bombers players health than MOS and his team of medical professionals? Look, you make a valid point about rolling out players that aren't 100%. No arguing that. However, player safety is an entirely different thing. Tons of players around this league and every pro football league play through injuries. This isn't something new. If you want to debate whether they should or not that's completely valid. If you want to debate whether the team rolling them out is violating their player safety...prove it. Show me the medical reports.

I am a behaviourist. and it matters little what people say, but are defined by what they do and O'Shea's past actions give a pretty clear as to his mindset.

[Pete Catan's Ghost]

6 hours ago, Tracker said:

 

I am a behaviourist. and it matters little what people say, but are defined by what they do and O'Shea's past actions give a pretty clear as to his mindset.

I am a somnambulist, and I expect the BB to sleepwalk through the next game. 

[Tracker]

Just now, Pete Catan's Ghost said:

I am a somnambulist, and I expect the BB to sleepwalk through the next game. 

Ohhhh....that would be bad- very very bad.

[Booch]

1 hour ago, Pete Catan's Ghost said:

I am a somnambulist, and I expect the BB to sleepwalk through the next game. 

I'm a realist...and based on the last few yrs...and continuation this....I expect if we make the playoffs it's as a cross over team

And this can almost maybe construed as a bad and unfortunate thing....Cause if T.O doesnt get in 1st or 2nd....we could actually smoke and mirror our way to the Cup only to again lose cup...in our own barn...in the visitor dressing room of all places....and be validation and more lipstick on a pig for what Osh does/did....and get him resigned

If we sqweek in there...I actually feel confident we can take out both the Cats and Als....tho tomorrow night may make me re-assess that

Edited 16 hours ago by Booch

[Goalie]

8 hours ago, Tracker said:

 And I  bet he said that with a straight face, too.

I am a behaviourist. and it matters little what people say, but are defined by what they do and O'Shea's past actions give a pretty clear as to his mindset.

Your past actions tho also give a pretty clear mindset that you’re a closer rider fan and that you can’t see the Forrest through the trees. You and a few others have become so biased against O’Shea that you look for every little thing that isn’t there and Make mountains out of molehills. People now acting like pro athletes don’t play through injuries in every sport. It’s just ridiculous. Neil pionk of the jets played with a broken foot, guess Bowness at the time was an arrogant prick, wheeler played through a nut injury, Maurice is such an arrogant prick. Dudes on the Argos playing through injuries right now, Dinwiddie is a prick so is Buck in bc and Dave in Calgary and Cory in Regina cuz every team has players playing through injuries after week 1. 

Edited 15 hours ago by Goalie

[SpeedFlex27]

10 hours ago, GCn20 said:

You are making a lot of assumptions about players health without having a shred of real information to back it up. You are suggesting that you know more about the Winnipeg Blue Bombers players health than MOS and his team of medical professionals? Look, you make a valid point about rolling out players that aren't 100%. No arguing that. However, player safety is an entirely different thing. Tons of players around this league and every pro football league play through injuries. This isn't something new. If you want to debate whether they should or not that's completely valid. If you want to debate whether the team rolling them out is violating their player safety...prove it. Show me the medical reports.

Who was the last player in the CFL to suit up & play two games on a torn ACL after he was dignosed? 

[Booch]

9 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Who was the last player in the CFL to suit up & play two games on a torn ACL after he was dignosed? 

Bucky Drinkwalter...played back in the leather helmet days hahaha

[rebusrankin]

Interesting article in today's Free Press about Kenny Lawler. Basically the Bombers didn't handle contract negotiations well according to him. Troubling stuff if true.

[GCn20]

10 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Who was the last player in the CFL to suit up & play two games on a torn ACL after he was dignosed? 

There have been many. Count how many players around the league suddenly turn up with knee braces on and you will find your answer. You are suggesting that a partially torn ligament is an automatic shut down and it isn't in many cases. A lot of guys have partial tears play out the season with a brace then have surgery to repair.

Edited 2 hours ago by GCn20

[Booch]

Just now, GCn20 said:

There have been many on partial tears. 

key word....Partial...and yeah agreed but with minimal success and production....but more often than not they a lineman....maybe a QB....Not a RB or Wr who has to rely in cuts...stop...go....jumpinmg and landing.....and if they were to try, they are basically a shell of their actual production....and more apt to sustain further damage.....both which we witnessed in real time...hence the stupidity and incompetence of it all

Schoen retore his completely...big difference....huge

[GCn20]

8 minutes ago, Booch said:

key word....Partial...and yeah agreed but with minimal success and production....but more often than not they a lineman....maybe a QB....Not a RB or Wr who has to rely in cuts...stop...go....jumpinmg and landing.....and if they were to try, they are basically a shell of their actual production....and more apt to sustain further damage.....both which we witnessed in real time...hence the stupidity and incompetence of it all

Schoen retore his completely...big difference....huge

He tore it fully when he came back, it was not fully torn prior, and I agree that it isn't probably the wisest move to play a guy on a partially torn ACL but that wasn't the discussion I was having with SpeedFlex. He accused the Bombers of disregarding player safety, I took issue with that assertion. He was given the option to rehab the tear by medical staff, that is how we know it was a partial tear. Fully torn ACL is automatic surgery and quickly before the two sides of the ligament contract. No medical staff in the world would let a player go out on a full tear.

Edited 2 hours ago by GCn20

[Booch]

2 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

He tore it fully when he came back, it was not fully torn prior, and I agree that it isn't probably the wisest move to play a guy on a partially torn ACL but that wasn't the discussion I was having with SpeedFlex. He accused the Bombers of disregarding player safety, I took issue with that assertion.

fact of matter...he fully tore it in cgy.....and should have been shut down....you cant rehab a torn ligament with a stint on the 6 game and from my understanding he fully tore it originally and had to have a hamstring graft to repair....so tells me a complete acl replacement. None the less....should never touched field after CGY re-injury

as per the @SpeedFlex27 discussion....I have my concerns about player safety as well from all the guys we trotted out the last 3 yrs who shouldnt have been out there

There is a a line one would hope that you have where the risk is not worth the reward....I think we did/do it due to woefull depth....and lack of trust in all these #1's because they never get any opportunity to gain meanigfull reps/experience in-season so it is decisions born out of desperation really....and all points back to HC and G.M

 

[bigg jay]

25 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

He tore it fully when he came back, it was not fully torn prior, and I agree that it isn't probably the wisest move to play a guy on a partially torn ACL but that wasn't the discussion I was having with SpeedFlex. He accused the Bombers of disregarding player safety, I took issue with that assertion. He was given the option to rehab the tear by medical staff, that is how we know it was a partial tear. Fully torn ACL is automatic surgery and quickly before the two sides of the ligament contract. No medical staff in the world would let a player go out on a full tear.

Even if he fully tore it after he came back, they still let him finish the game knowing it was re-injured.  By their own admission, he got hurt again early in the LDC so why was he out still there?

[wbbfan]

3 minutes ago, bigg jay said:

Even if he fully tore it after he came back, they still let him finish the game knowing it was re-injured.  By their own admission, he got hurt again early in the LDC so why was he out still there?

That needs to be investigated by the league and PA. 

[GCn20]

16 minutes ago, bigg jay said:

Even if he fully tore it after he came back, they still let him finish the game knowing it was re-injured.  By their own admission, he got hurt again early in the LDC so why was he out still there?

 

16 minutes ago, bigg jay said:

Even if he fully tore it after he came back, they still let him finish the game knowing it was re-injured.  By their own admission, he got hurt again early in the LDC so why was he out still there?

Did they let him? Or did he not come clean to training staff until after the game? You don't know, and neither do I. Sometimes a player will hide the extent of their injury in order to keep playing.  You are making the massive assumption that Schoen went immediately to the trainers and that they pulled out their portable MRI and were able to conclude it was fully torn but they put him out there anyway. Nope, not how it works. He was coming into the game with a partial tear so you expect some discomfort etc. The training staff were likely all over him after every series asking him how it felt etc. If Schoen doesn't come clean there isn't much any team can do. Players do it all the time, and a lot of guys end up in a lot of medical trouble after because they hid injuries from staff. It is football culture to do so to some extent.

12 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

That needs to be investigated by the league and PA. 

You are assuming that it hasn't. We are all working off of 3rd and 4th hand information that someone overheard someone mention that is a cousin of someone in the dressing room and people are eating this crap up because we are unhappy with how this season is unfolding. Wild speculation is not fact, and I have not seen a shred of reputable information suggesting that the Bombers knowingly rolled out Schoen onto the field with a fully torn ACL. None, zero, zip. If you have any links to his medical report, and comments from our training staff supporting this wild speculation I will listen. Until then this is gross rumor mongering and quite frankly nothing but a witch hunt., The pitchforks are out, and I get it they should be, but let's pull them out for the facts not conspiracy theories.

Edited 2 hours ago by GCn20

[Booch]

Simple test on sideline would almost confirm it.  

The club and Tait had said he tore it

I know for a fact he tore it...but won't say names here

That's all I need to know it was mishandled and incompetence basically cause we were desperate with where our roster was at

1 hour ago, bigg jay said:

Even if he fully tore it after he came back, they still let him finish the game knowing it was re-injured.  By their own admission, he got hurt again early in the LDC so why was he out still there?

Desperation....par for course...how many guys over last 3 yrs did we dress and play who clearly couldn't perform?

That's what happens when you have a stubborn coach who only knows how to lean on his vets and favs until they have nothing left..and have minimal to contribute...and even then takes a serious injury to take em out of lineup

59 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

 

Did they let him? Or did he not come clean to training staff until after the game? You don't know, and neither do I. Sometimes a player will hide the extent of their injury in order to keep playing.  You are making the massive assumption that Schoen went immediately to the trainers and that they pulled out their portable MRI and were able to conclude it was fully torn but they put him out there anyway. Nope, not how it works. He was coming into the game with a partial tear so you expect some discomfort etc. The training staff were likely all over him after every series asking him how it felt etc. If Schoen doesn't come clean there isn't much any team can do. Players do it all the time, and a lot of guys end up in a lot of medical trouble after because they hid injuries from staff. It is football culture to do so to some extent.

You are assuming that it hasn't. We are all working off of 3rd and 4th hand information that someone overheard someone mention that is a cousin of someone in the dressing room and people are eating this crap up because we are unhappy with how this season is unfolding. Wild speculation is not fact, and I have not seen a shred of reputable information suggesting that the Bombers knowingly rolled out Schoen onto the field with a fully torn ACL. None, zero, zip. If you have any links to his medical report, and comments from our training staff supporting this wild speculation I will listen. Until then this is gross rumor mongering and quite frankly nothing but a witch hunt., The pitchforks are out, and I get it they should be, but let's pull them out for the facts not conspiracy theories.

Not sure why u keep this partial tear thing going? U are not correct

You don't graft in a whole new ligament for a "partial tear"

[Super Duper Negatron]

1 hour ago, rebusrankin said:

Interesting article in today's Free Press about Kenny Lawler. Basically the Bombers didn't handle contract negotiations well according to him. Troubling stuff if true.

I am the first one to criticize this regime these days, but Lawler always has a Jake Thomas sized chip on his shoulder. That's just who he is.

[Goalie]

23 minutes ago, Super Duper Negatron said:

I am the first one to criticize this regime these days, but Lawler always has a Jake Thomas sized chip on his shoulder. That's just who he is.

Did Kenny mention how the bombers treated him after the dui he got that in hindsight should have resulted in likely jail time or the inability to play in Canada if need be.

 I agree. You gotta take what he said with a pretty huge grain of salt. Like he’s all about Kenny and always has been. 
 

reality with Kenny is if Montreal offered him 301 he’d be an AL but that’s if Hamilton didn’t offer 302 but what if the bombers offered 304, he’d be a bomber. 

Edited 46 minutes ago by Goalie

[HardCoreBlue]

21 minutes ago, Super Duper Negatron said:

I am the first one to criticize this regime these days, but Lawler always has a Jake Thomas sized chip on his shoulder. That's just who he is.

It's got that feel that 'oh they didn't back the brinks truck up for me, oh that's insulting'.

[Goalie]

I’m all for crapping on Walters for the past couple off seasons but lol at the lawler stuff really. They didn’t pay me as much as I wanted. That’s all that is there. 

[17to85]

Yeah typical football player stuff. "I'm insulted because they didn't pay me everything I wanted"

Lawler is a hell of a football player, but he's always been looking out for #1

[GCn20]

21 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Yeah typical football player stuff. "I'm insulted because they didn't pay me everything I wanted"

Lawler is a hell of a football player, but he's always been looking out for #1

As he should. Kenny may be talking the talk but he is also walking the walk. The Ticats are getting full value for a contract we felt was too much. It was a mistake by Walters to let him go and there is no sugar coating it. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a player knowing his worth and not being happy when his former team would not recognize it. Why should he take a slap in the face offer to stay. This is Walters missing the mark on a players valuation as he so often does.

Edited 7 minutes ago by GCn20