Blue Bombers - 2025 Regular Season - Discussion Thread

[Blue In BC]

18 hours ago, Booch said:

Looking at our PR....there is probably 6 guys on it who are better and would offer more than what we rostered last game,,,,and we wonder why oir depth seems so shitty and our main guys at times appear to be gassed

If some those main guys were now back-ups, or in rotation and some the dead weight was not rostered...we'd be a helluva lot better

We sat Woods, Adams, J.Jones, Houston, Peterson, Echols 

I'm sure dumping some of or all of Logan, Cobb, Thomas, Lawson Jr. Ayers, Ball, Weitz for those guys would have not hurt us...likely made us immensely better, deeper....

I'd keep Lawson but would get rid of the others you mentioned. Getting rid of Thomas is an issue now due to ratio, so that's a different question or thought.

Before last week I would have kept J. Jones before Ayers. Now Woodbey is added into the mix. He looked good in his 1st game.

In case you missed it we re-signed global LB Oyelola after a few years in the NFL. Does he immediately replace Weitz who I wondered why we kept in the 1s place. 

[bigg jay]

2 minutes ago, bearpants said:

 

Calgary completely bottomed out... to suggest they weren't forced to make wholesale changes is revisionist.... Hopefully the Bombers can and do make major changes before the bottom falls out, like it did in Calgary

Other teams have bottomed out and haven't done a mass overhaul like what was done in Calgary (when is the last time another team went with 12 new starters on D?) so yeah it was a choice on their end to a certain extent.  Forced to make changes - yes.  Forced to completely revamp their team - no, they chose to go that extreme and (so far) it's working for them. It flies in the face of MOS & Walters saying you can only make so many changes at one time.

I honestly have not seen anything from MOS that gives me confidence that he'll make necessary changes unless he's forced to.  

[Booch]

1 hour ago, Blue In BC said:

I'd keep Lawson but would get rid of the others you mentioned. Getting rid of Thomas is an issue now due to ratio, so that's a different question or thought.

Before last week I would have kept J. Jones before Ayers. Now Woodbey is added into the mix. He looked good in his 1st game.

In case you missed it we re-signed global LB Oyelola after a few years in the NFL. Does he immediately replace Weitz who I wondered why we kept in the 1s place. 

We don't need Thomas for ratio

1 hour ago, bigg jay said:

Other teams have bottomed out and haven't done a mass overhaul like what was done in Calgary (when is the last time another team went with 12 new starters on D?) so yeah it was a choice on their end to a certain extent.  Forced to make changes - yes.  Forced to completely revamp their team - no, they chose to go that extreme and (so far) it's working for them. It flies in the face of MOS & Walters saying you can only make so many changes at one time.

I honestly have not seen anything from MOS that gives me confidence that he'll make necessary changes unless he's forced to.  

Yeah Walter's and osh full of **** trying to justify their plan

And your right...zero faith...and even if he wanted to...doubt he even knows how or where to start with

Can't rid ourselves of this set up soon enough...12 yrs...long time and they've ran their course

[Blue In BC]

9 minutes ago, Booch said:

We don't need Thomas for ratio

Yeah Walter's and osh full of **** trying to justify their plan

And your right...zero faith...and even if he wanted to...doubt he even knows how or where to start with

Can't rid ourselves of this set up soon enough...12 yrs...long time and they've ran their course

I suppose that is true but after losing Schmekel we'd be down to just Lawson and Woods or Adams if Thomas is removed now.  I don't think we'd add 2 import DT's but anything is possible. I noticed that Kornelson was added to the AR not the PR. That could change but I'm not expecting an import DT this week.

 

Kramdi was practising so that's good news and allows other possible changes.

 

 

Edited yesterday at 06:16 PM by Blue In BC

[GCn20]

3 hours ago, Booch said:

Well really...whats in ontario? Draft prospects...not legit free agents with pro experience or NFL looks kicking around...I agree on that tho...he looks at cis guys there

And stand pat on the notion that osh for some of his good qualities is a shitty evaluator of actual talent or upside...and or values the wrong things over true talent at times

What true talent has he let go that you are aware of? And don't bring me ham and eggers like Fox or Garbutt. They are low end rotational guys at best and keeping Woods and Adams over them is actually probably a proper talent evaluation. You say he is releasing all this talent. I say that's your opinion based on nothing really. Prove me wrong. Give me the list of all stars that MOS released. I'll wait.

Look, I'm not going to sit here and defend MOS roster use. It's problematic. However, anyone trying to suggest that our lack of talent and failure to retain talent is on MOS is letting Walters off the hook way too easy. There is literally no one we have released that has done anything of note elsewhere. We have lost a ton of impact guys in FA, that is 100% on the GM. Kenny Lawler could easily have been signed and we would still be under the cap. I won't count Dobson because I believe he is grossly over rated, but he was still a loss because he wasn't adequately replaced. Again that's on the GM. Yoshi gone and replaced with a player not remotely as good. That's on the GM. The list goes on and on of guys we could have kept but our GM felt like lowballing them. At the end of the day he let Lawler walk and signed scrap heap to replace him, he let Dobson and Ford walk...that's two all star NATs out of 7 starters. These are things the GM just can't let happen. And don't give me this MOS might have said we good baloney. That's complete garbage. MOS like any other HC in the history of football has never advised his GM to let proven talent walk out the door. When guys like that leave it's for the benjamins and we've heard how many stories of our proven talent not even getting a phone call from Walters until it's too late. Janarion Grant waited all offseason for a phone call that never came before going to Toronto and he was asking for peanuts.

Edited yesterday at 07:22 PM by GCn20

[17to85]

Your argument is bad and you should feel bad. 

[Booch]

when yu never keep a new guy over an older one who has in been in decline for yrs...you will never know

And dont use argument that nobody else picked up a TC cut, as they invested time and money in their own players and cuts...thats a good way to lose scouting staff...Cyril Penn being a good example...

Over the last bunch of TC's we have had guys out perform vets of varying tenure...an vets who didnt even participate in camp only to let em go and use the guys we keep clinging too

Even this yr...we actually kept a few....but they never got on roster, but were clearly better and showed upside...many "non-football" background people on the site could even see it....and when they did get on...low and behld they were better

And sitting on the PR for 4 to 6 games didnt develop them and all of a sudden make them better, if anything...slowed their progress

We see this here every yr, and if not for injury giys dont lose a job here if theybeen with osh more than 2 yr

[rebusrankin]

Pearson sat the first 3 games, then got in and looked good. Allen sat for what 8 games and then gets in a looks good. Woodby 10 games and then the same thing. That's three young guys who sat to start the year and when they got in contributed and played well enough to make you say, "Why was he sitting out?" That's on MOS.

Letting talent walk, thats on KW.

Its not one or the other, it is both.

[Booch]

48 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

Pearson sat the first 3 games, then got in and looked good. Allen sat for what 8 games and then gets in a looks good. Woodby 10 games and then the same thing. That's three young guys who sat to start the year and when they got in contributed and played well enough to make you say, "Why was he sitting out?" That's on MOS.

Letting talent walk, thats on KW.

Its not one or the other, it is both.

same with game J Jones was in and got a ton of work on defence...was one our best defensive games...Coincided as well with the Griffin bumping Kramdi out off SAM....J.Jones presence made T.Jones game improve too....and he has been more lost in space and over pursuing things again since J.Jones was taken out, and our defence hasnt been as good since....coincidence....??

Osh is not good at talent evaluation and use of talent to full effectiveness....pretty apparent

Edited 22 hours ago by Booch

[GCn20]

16 hours ago, rebusrankin said:

Pearson sat the first 3 games, then got in and looked good. Allen sat for what 8 games and then gets in a looks good. Woodby 10 games and then the same thing. That's three young guys who sat to start the year and when they got in contributed and played well enough to make you say, "Why was he sitting out?" That's on MOS.

Letting talent walk, thats on KW.

Its not one or the other, it is both.

Are Person, Allen, and Woodby not getting their chance now? Sometimes you gotta wait your turn on the depth chart, and that is on every football team ever. Suggesting it was some huge mistake that Person, Woodby, and Allen never played is nonsense. They worked hard, earned their chance, and are now in the lineup.

15 hours ago, Booch said:

same with game J Jones was in and got a ton of work on defence...was one our best defensive games...Coincided as well with the Griffin bumping Kramdi out off SAM....J.Jones presence made T.Jones game improve too....and he has been more lost in space and over pursuing things again since J.Jones was taken out, and our defence hasnt been as good since....coincidence....??

Osh is not good at talent evaluation and use of talent to full effectiveness....pretty apparent

You've got a problem with the way Kyrie Wilson has played? He has been very good this year. So has Tony Jones. Our linebacking crew is not the problem with our team right now. Could it be better? Maybe....but let's talk about what is losing games. Lack of talent and depth at other position groups. 

Edited 6 hours ago by GCn20

[GCn20]

17 hours ago, 17to85 said:

Your argument is bad and you should feel bad. 

My argument is sound. Lack of talent is hurting us more than roster deployment. 

16 hours ago, rebusrankin said:

Pearson sat the first 3 games, then got in and looked good. Allen sat for what 8 games and then gets in a looks good. Woodby 10 games and then the same thing. That's three young guys who sat to start the year and when they got in contributed and played well enough to make you say, "Why was he sitting out?" That's on MOS.

Letting talent walk, thats on KW.

Its not one or the other, it is both.

It is both. However, one far outweighs the other in impact and that is my entire point. We have 600 pages and 10000 posts focusing on roster moves 51 thru 53 of our lineup and about 1 page and 60 posts talking about the real problem. All because of a few posters agenda to blame MOS.  While he is not blameless, the impact of his decisions are grossly over exaggerated on this forum. Now it is at the point where MOS is getting blamed for poor scouting, and poor offseason contact negs/FA signings and that is 100% on the GM. Look, I'd like to take the tact of dumping on MOS for his poor roster usage around here too but I feel the guy needs defending from the pitchforks being pointed at him for things entirely beyond his control and that was my point. Not that MOS is blameless, but we are blaming him for poor GMing and that's over the top.

Edited 6 hours ago by GCn20

[rebusrankin]

17 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

Are Person, Allen, and Woodby not getting their chance now? Sometimes you gotta wait your turn on the depth chart, and that is on every football team ever. Suggesting it was some huge mistake that Person, Woodby, and Allen never played is nonsense. They worked hard, earned their chance, and are now in the lineup.

You've got a problem with the way Kyrie Wilson has played? He has been very good this year. So has Tony Jones. Our linebacking crew is not the problem with our team right now. Could it be better? Maybe....but let's talk about what is losing games. Lack of talent and depth at other position groups. 

It was clear from game one that only two ends was a poor choice, so yes, Pearson should have been on the opening day roster. Bridges was awful all year but seemed to be penciled in from day one of TC so yeah again Allen should have been in. Woodby fair enough.

[GCn20]

12 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

It was clear from game one that only two ends was a poor choice, so yes, Pearson should have been on the opening day roster. Bridges was awful all year but seemed to be penciled in from day one of TC so yeah again Allen should have been in. Woodby fair enough.

Bridges was awful, and he was replaced. Giving Allen big kudos seems wrong to me. He has not been all that good. He has whiffed on many coverages and tackles over the past few games and taken some very costly penalties as well. I think we could do better, and need to get better at his spot as well. You are making the assumption that Person, a rookie, was ready to go game one. I would not make that assumption and am not going to flog any coach for waiting until a player is both physically and mentally ready to compete. Person has looked OK, not great, but I would tend to think the coaches wanted to give him more time to adjust to the Canadian game before throwing him out there. In preseason he was having a hard time with the yard off the ball and some other nuances of our game. As he gets more used to it, his impact will grow. Woodby same thing likely. Just needed time to learn the nuances in practice, study film, learn how to react and play in the Canadian game. Once they were ready they got their shot. Not sure why ppl think that rookies not playing serious reps until game 8 is out of the ordinary, or a coach not identifying talent. Talent is great but talent has to be game ready. Bridges was a head scratcher but his first 2 games he played great and that is likely why he got more rope than he should have. Allen is no prize either tho. 

Dave Ritchie used to say for every rookie you add to your starting lineup you can pencil in 1 loss to go with that. That is not an exaggeration. Throwing raw rookies into the mix is not an optimum solution. You want to be able to slow play their roll out if possible. None of the guys you have mentioned are talented enough that they jump off the page. Sure some rookies can come in and play like all stars. They are the very small minority of rookies and certainly not any of the guys you have listed. 

Edited 6 hours ago by GCn20

[Booch]

39 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

Are Person, Allen, and Woodby not getting their chance now? Sometimes you gotta wait your turn on the depth chart, and that is on every football team ever. Suggesting it was some huge mistake that Person, Woodby, and Allen never played is nonsense. They worked hard, earned their chance, and are now in the lineup.

You've got a problem with the way Kyrie Wilson has played? He has been very good this year. So has Tony Jones. Our linebacking crew is not the problem with our team right now. Could it be better? Maybe....but let's talk about what is losing games. Lack of talent and depth at other position groups. 

Never ever said I was unhappy with Wilson as he is one of the vets if healthy that we dont need to move on from....so dont put words in my mouth,,,if anything I have said Kyrie if healthy is a top WIL in league and has shown as such.....,especially last 3 games

T.Jones is ok....has holes and would flourish more situationally...Is poor in his drops and isnt really capable of coverage...He was great when paired with J.Jones and was able to mirror how he dropped tho...and we need to have both on roster to be our best

And if a player is better....he shouldn't have to wait and bide time....delaying these guy coming in...what did it accomplish ir do?....zero

We are losing games due to poor coaching and roster use....guys not coached uo or schemed properly let alone at times seem prepared...Thats where we are lacking....and the roster seeming weak is also hand in hand with not playing rhe right guys we have....and not continually looking for guys to upgrade our PR and or roster

44 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

My argument is sound. Lack of talent is hurting us more than roster deployment. 

It is both. However, one far outweighs the other in impact and that is my entire point. We have 600 pages and 10000 posts focusing on roster moves 51 thru 53 of our lineup and about 1 page and 60 posts talking about the real problem. All because of a few posters agenda to blame MOS.  While he is not blameless, the impact of his decisions are grossly over exaggerated on this forum. Now it is at the point where MOS is getting blamed for poor scouting, and poor offseason contact negs/FA signings and that is 100% on the GM. Look, I'd like to take the tact of dumping on MOS for his poor roster usage around here too but I feel the guy needs defending from the pitchforks being pointed at him for things entirely beyond his control and that was my point. Not that MOS is blameless, but we are blaming him for poor GMing and that's over the top.

who said anything about Osh scouting?

[GCn20]

7 minutes ago, Booch said:

Never ever said I was unhappy with Wilson as he is one of the vets if healthy that we dont need to move on from....so dont put words in my mouth,,,if anything I have said Kyrie if healthy is a top WIL in league and has shown as such.....,especially last 3 games

T.Jones is ok....has holes and would flourish more situationally...Is poor in his drops and isnt really capable of coverage...He was great when paired with J.Jones and was able to mirror how he dropped tho...and we need to have both on roster to be our best

And if a player is better....he shouldn't have to wait and bide time....delaying these guy coming in...what did it accomplish ir do?....zero

We are losing games due to poor coaching and roster use....guys not coached uo or schemed properly let alone at times seem prepared...Thats where we are lacking....and the roster seeming weak is also hand in hand with not playing rhe right guys we have....and not continually looking for guys to upgrade our PR and or roster

who said anything about Osh scouting?

I will agree that our O and D coordination has a lot to be desired. Our roster usage could be a lot better but realistically isn't losing us games. Contributing for sure, but if we had the talent level and the schemes in place we would like the last several year, be grousing about it on a first place team with a couple losses at this point.  I would love MOS to use the designated IMP rule, I would love to see a tweak here or there in our lineup. Do I think it's why we are losing? Nope. Just making it harder to win. When I look at the difference between 2019 or 2021 and this team I see a vastly different amount of talent and quality depth. That's 90% of our problem right now. We have bled talent. Anyone suggesting that the answer is in house is dreaming in technicolor. Kyle Walters had to have a make it or break it offseason this year, and he had probably his worst offseason yet.

Edited 6 hours ago by GCn20

[Booch]

21 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

Bridges was awful, and he was replaced. Giving Allen big kudos seems wrong to me. He has not been all that good. He has whiffed on many coverages and tackles over the past few games and taken some very costly penalties as well. I think we could do better, and need to get better at his spot as well. You are making the assumption that Person, a rookie, was ready to go game one. I would not make that assumption and am not going to flog any coach for waiting until a player is both physically and mentally ready to compete. Person has looked OK, not great, but I would tend to think the coaches wanted to give him more time to adjust to the Canadian game before throwing him out there. In preseason he was having a hard time with the yard off the ball and some other nuances of our game. As he gets more used to it, his impact will grow. Woodby same thing likely. Just needed time to learn the nuances in practice, study film, learn how to react and play in the Canadian game. Once they were ready they got their shot. Not sure why ppl think that rookies not playing serious reps until game 8 is out of the ordinary, or a coach not identifying talent. Talent is great but talent has to be game ready. Bridges was a head scratcher but his first 2 games he played great and that is likely why he got more rope than he should have. Allen is no prize either tho. 

Dave Ritchie used to say for every rookie you add to your starting lineup you can pencil in 1 loss to go with that. That is not an exaggeration. Throwing raw rookies into the mix is not an optimum solution. You want to be able to slow play their roll out if possible. None of the guys you have mentioned are talented enough that they jump off the page. Sure some rookies can come in and play like all stars. They are the very small minority of rookies and certainly not any of the guys you have listed. 

thats how you develop guy tho...allow to grow and learn. How do you think Holm fot play? Injury replacement...and whiffed and effed up a lot at first too...but people tugged on his nutsac cause of an Osh quote he had quick feet

Holm was jumping off the page...if anything actually looked way out of his league.......Guy was actually cut at one point...and brought back...kinda disputes you constant opinion that guys cut were cut because they not good....doesnt it...who know how many others got let go over  coach's fav that could have developed like Holm did? Was allowed to play and grow

Bridges was awful from get go....took way too long to swap him oit...same can be said with Bonds...tho not sure what happened there, and wasnt as bad as Bridges....scheme...personelle...who knows...buy highly likely if not hurt he'd still be playing

 

3 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

I will agree that our O and D coordination has a lot to be desired. Our roster usage could be a lot better but realistically isn't losing us games. Contributing for sure, but if we had the talent level and the schemes in place we would like the last several year, be grousing about it on a first place team with a couple losses at this point.  I would love MOS to use the designated IMP rule, I would love to see a tweak here or there in our lineup. Do I think it's why we are losing? Nope. Just making it harder to win. When I look at the difference between 2019 or 2021 and this team I see a vastly different amount of talent and quality depth. That's 90% of our problem right now. We have bled talent. Anyone suggesting that the answer is in house is dreaming in technicolor. Kyle Walters had to have a make it or break it offseason this year, and he had probably his worst offseason yet.

coaching is losing us games...or lack of good coaching...and roster issues and who gets reps... which go along with coaching...they all part of issue

[Pete]

To me the main issue is the lack of viable alternatives weve had. An oline man goes down and we need to go to an import ,Same with Kramdi.

 They feel that Adams/Woods aren't good enough but who else do we have.We havent had a decent backup db and no de on the pr

We,ve started Kody Case, Kornelson, Weitz, Corcoran (who we seem to try to use like a Bailey despite not having the ability or build)

Theres enough blame to go around

The good news is weve finally added Houston, Wilson now if we can dig up an olineman , and Texacada works out theres hope

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Pete

[Bombertown]

I just dug into this. he was released for less than 24 hr that they later said was for medicals

[voodoochylde]

12 minutes ago, Bombertown said:

I just dug into this. he was released for less than 24 hr that they later said was for medicals

You dug into a tweet from three years ago?

[Bombertown]

1 minute ago, voodoochylde said:

You dug into a tweet from three years ago?

All I had to do was search “Evan holm released” on twitter 😂 

[blue85gold]

3 minutes ago, Bombertown said:

All I had to do was search “Evan holm released” on twitter 😂 

Yes but why?

[voodoochylde]

2 minutes ago, blue85gold said:

Yes but why?

PREEEECISELY.

[Bombertown]

6 minutes ago, blue85gold said:

Yes but why?

😂  I follow all of the North Dakota guys closely and had never heard of him being cut like the poster above said

[Booch]

thing is...he didnt look particularily good...And Parker had won the spot but got hurt....so he was able to grow into it

We need to do more of that was the point, and is in reference to my other point if we dont have an injury, or a guy chooses to leave...we will not allow a better player to push out an older one....and that why our depth sucks ass....and in some instances we have none

How much deeper or better would we be if some the guys who are taking starter type reps were actually the backup or injury replacement for a better guy...and doesnt necessarily have to be a younger guy save for guys over 30....just better

Tell me an instance where we saw on the news wire we dumped a guy for a younger better guy, and where we as fans...even media were like "wow"...didnt see that coming

Thats exactly how we got T.Jones...was ashock release, for a younger guy, who went on to win R.O.Y...He was also let go in T.O for a younger better player....thats how Edm got him

[Arnold_Palmer]

58 minutes ago, Bombertown said:

All I had to do was search “Evan holm released” on twitter 😂 

You almost gave me a heart attack man. Couldn’t believe my eyes when I saw White Lightning was released by the Blue Bombers.