MC Posted May 15, 2018 Report Share Posted May 15, 2018 2 hours ago, Atomic said: You can't really argue that it wasn't a poor decision for his career. I think you can make that case if you assume that someone's career isn't really over after football. Give it 20 years and then see whether this was a bad career decision or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomic Posted May 15, 2018 Report Share Posted May 15, 2018 37 minutes ago, MC said: I think you can make that case if you assume that someone's career isn't really over after football. Give it 20 years and then see whether this was a bad career decision or not. OK I'll get back to you in 20 years. bearpants, bb1, MC and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zontar Posted May 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, WBBFanWest said: Or... he acted on something that he believes is important, and accepted that there might be consequences as a result. Believe it or not, some people actually would rather do what they think is right, even if it costs them personally. We need more of those people. Always need people to stand up for freedom of speech and conscience. More people who want to be immune from consequences then wallow in self righteous resentment when the desired outcome isnt reached or universally praised? No, thank you. All booked up. Edited May 15, 2018 by Zontar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted May 15, 2018 Report Share Posted May 15, 2018 (edited) On 2018-05-15 at 7:36 AM, Atomic said: You can't really argue that it wasn't a poor decision for his career. I certainly can. Some decisions are right, even though they have an exorbitant cost as a consequence. An example was Leslie Mahafee's decision to not torture her friend ant the behest of Carla Homolka and Paul Bernardo. She said,"No. Some things are worth dying for" and they killed her. Rosa Parks was arrested, assaulted and jailed for her refusal to go to the back of the bus. The list goes on and on. Money does not define what is important. Edited May 16, 2018 by tracker MC and WBBFanWest 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomic Posted May 15, 2018 Report Share Posted May 15, 2018 36 minutes ago, tracker said: I certainly can. Some decisions are right, even though they have an exorbitant cost as a consequence. An example was Christine Mahafee's decision to not torture her friend ant the behest of Carla Homolka and Paul Bernardo. She said,"No. Some things are worth dying for" and they killed her. Rosa Parks was arrested, assaulted and jailed for her refusal to go to the back of the bus. The list goes on and on. Money does not define what is important. I don't see how any of those people's careers were helped by those decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBBFanWest Posted May 15, 2018 Report Share Posted May 15, 2018 Just now, Atomic said: I don't see how any of those people's careers were helped by those decisions. Are you being deliberately obtuse? Because I weep for you if you're not. Al Bundy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomic Posted May 15, 2018 Report Share Posted May 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, WBBFanWest said: Are you being deliberately obtuse? Because I weep for you if you're not. My original post was in reference to political activism being a career limiting move, not whether it is morally right or not. And that point still stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBBFanWest Posted May 15, 2018 Report Share Posted May 15, 2018 32 minutes ago, Atomic said: My original post was in reference to political activism being a career limiting move, not whether it is morally right or not. And that point still stands. I guess you and I look at "career" differently. C'Est la Vie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacquie Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 On 2018-05-14 at 5:15 PM, wbbfan said: some how every one is missing the reverse order thing. the worst teams in the league dont get first choice over better teams according to that. Which would be great for us. though Im sure every team in the league is gonna bid a first round pick. Doubt we get him but it would be pretty great if we do. The worst team in the league gets to make the final bid so they know what they have to give up to outbid everyone else. SPuDS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnzo Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 More chaos in Montreal: http://montrealgazette.com/sports/football/cfl/montreal-alouettes/kahlil-carters-brief-tenure-with-alouettes-marred-by-conflicts Real interesting stuff in there about Carter vs. Tommy Campbell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wbbfan Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 18 minutes ago, johnzo said: More chaos in Montreal: http://montrealgazette.com/sports/football/cfl/montreal-alouettes/kahlil-carters-brief-tenure-with-alouettes-marred-by-conflicts Real interesting stuff in there about Carter vs. Tommy Campbell. When the confidential inside sources talk about they them they and what they are told happened I give up. An article by a guy, who interviews a guy who talked to a guy who may have been involved. too flimsy. On one hand with a dumpster fire like mtl if a coach or player is ok with it thats a bad sign. hard nosed coaching has won a TON more games then players best friend. But if you are too much of a dumpster fire for montreal... Im just glad we are no longer in that position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedFlex27 Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 11 hours ago, Atomic said: You can't really argue that it wasn't a poor decision for his career. It's just not about taking a knee. Politics was just the last straw. He always had trouble reading defenses but this is just insane... This may be more damning to NFL teams than taking a knee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taynted_Fayth Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 On 2018-05-14 at 2:49 PM, Colin Unger said: Yeah we are probably about 70k short of being able to sign him at this point I seem to remember hearing $200K durant signed for (with no mention of the signing bonus at the time) if I'm remembering that right $130K left over with a pinch of westerman monies and a life time coupon for free cheese nips and I think were good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Unger Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 https://www.cfl.ca/2018/05/15/argos-release-quarterback-jeff-mathews/ Welp theres a qb with several years of cfl experience available. Floyd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.O.A.B. Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Colin Unger said: https://www.cfl.ca/2018/05/15/argos-release-quarterback-jeff-mathews/ Welp theres a qb with several years of cfl experience available. Nothing wrong in bringing him in. He got some experience. 2015-2017 Games played 11 (9 in 2015) Completion 144 Attempts 218 Yards 1726 TD 7 INT 9 He's a big guy 6.4 221 too. Edited May 16, 2018 by M.O.A.B. Tracker and Colin Unger 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Unger Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 I agree. I’d bring him in to compete with Ross for the 2nd string job. I’m sold on Streveler being on he roster not matter what. M.O.A.B. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.O.A.B. Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 8 minutes ago, Colin Unger said: I agree. I’d bring him in to compete with Ross for the 2nd string job. I’m sold on Streveler being on he roster not matter what. Stamps might be interested too though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Unger Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 There’s also Drew Tate. Don’t see Calgary signing both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedFlex27 Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 (edited) 59 minutes ago, Colin Unger said: There’s also Drew Tate. Don’t see Calgary signing both. If Tate comes back, it'll probably be with the Stamps. Familiarity with the offense & Dickenson. Edited May 16, 2018 by SpeedFlex27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 17 hours ago, Atomic said: I don't see how any of those people's careers were helped by those decisions. In the narrowest of definitions, you are correct. Politics and sports have been intertwined for at least 3000 years, maybe longer, but if an athlete/coach/manager expresses a political opinion that agrees with the views of the ownership or league, it probably enhances his/her career. You don't have to go very to see that. Atomic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 (edited) 11 hours ago, Colin Unger said: I agree. I’d bring him in to compete with Ross for the 2nd string job. I’m sold on Streveler being on he roster not matter what. I am one of a small minority that still think that Cato would be worth a look. God knows, he was athletic and had fire in his belly. He did throw high-risk passes but the Als were struggling at the time and he took it upon himself to try to carry the team. He was one of the few Als that cared enough to give a spit when they lost due to their own ineptitude. Edited May 16, 2018 by tracker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatty Liver Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, tracker said: I am one of a small minority that still think that Cato would be worth a look. God knows, he was athletic and had fire in his belly. He did throw high-risk passes but the Als were struggling at the time and he took it upon himself to try to carry the team. He was one of the few Als that cared enough to give a spit when they lost due to their own ineptitude. Cato is a coach's worst nightmare, he's got PTSD from growing up in a combat zone. Here's what he's been doing since leaving the Als. Fired from coaching Miami Central H.S. Arrested in Miami on a fugitive Gun possession charge out of Tallahassee. Cut by Richmond Roughriders Arena Football team with the following notes. Rakeem Cato, the highly regarded QB from Marshall University, has been released. Despite putting up solid numbers opening weekend, his locker room presence had proven to be too disruptive for the team. Owner Gregg Fornario said: "Cato is a terrific QB and a great competitor but he wasn't seeing eye to eye with the coaching staff so we felt it was best for the team if we went in a different direction." Edited May 16, 2018 by Throw Long Bannatyne Tracker and Al Bundy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 Thanks for info. It looks like he is another athlete blessed with all the tools to be great but self-sabotaged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomic Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 To expand on the above, Cato was playing on the Richmond Roughriders but was replaced as starter by former Bombers QB Bryan Randall. Noted domestic abuser Greg Hardy also plays for the Roughriders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 2 hours ago, Atomic said: To expand on the above, Cato was playing on the Richmond Roughriders but was replaced as starter by former Bombers QB Bryan Randall. Noted domestic abuser Greg Hardy also plays for the Roughriders. Birds of a feather... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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