Lets see if we can keep this thread a little more civil.

I found this interview very interesting.  A lot of soft balls thrown at Trump, he explained his back pedalling on his more extreme issues as a lot of his claims as opening bids for negotiation purposes.  Which .. whatever .. I still think that those are insincere claims he used to get elected.

He does now come across way more presidential then he did prior to the election.  A lot of his noise, yelling, and rhetoric has been scaled back.

Do respect this one though:

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Lesley Stahl: Are you gonna take the salary, the president’s salary?

Donald Trump: Well, I’ve never commented on this, but the answer is no. I think I have to by law take $1, so I’ll take $1 a year. But it’s a -- I don’t even know what it is.

Donald Trump: Do you know what the salary is?

Lesley Stahl: $400,000 you’re giving up.

Donald Trump: No, I’m not gonna take the salary. I’m not taking it.

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-donald-trump-family-melania-ivanka-lesley-stahl/

seriously?

https://deadline.com/2021/08/sirhan-sirhan-robert-kennedys-assassin-granted-parole-1234823578/

If This Texas Abortion Ban Takes Effect, The State Will Pay Citizens To Enforce It

A Texas law banning abortion at six weeks is set to go into effect in just a few days. And while the ban will make it nearly impossible for women to get abortions in the state, the six-week ban — abortion opponents’ garden-variety tactic of late — is not the most concerning part. 

What makes this Texas statute particularly troubling is that it deputizes private citizens to actively seek out and sue people “aiding or abetting” women who are attempting to get abortions in the state of Texas. If you successfully sue that person — whether it’s an abortion provider, a pregnant woman’s friend, or even the rideshare driver who dropped her off at a clinic — you receive a $10,000 bounty. 

If This Texas Abortion Ban Takes Effect, The State Will Pay Citizens To Enforce It | HuffPost

(Words fail me to describe how ******-up this is)

 

20 minutes ago, Tracker said:

Words fail me to describe how ******-up this is)

texas is a very wierd place. 

43 minutes ago, Tracker said:

If This Texas Abortion Ban Takes Effect, The State Will Pay Citizens To Enforce It

A Texas law banning abortion at six weeks is set to go into effect in just a few days. And while the ban will make it nearly impossible for women to get abortions in the state, the six-week ban — abortion opponents’ garden-variety tactic of late — is not the most concerning part. 

What makes this Texas statute particularly troubling is that it deputizes private citizens to actively seek out and sue people “aiding or abetting” women who are attempting to get abortions in the state of Texas. If you successfully sue that person — whether it’s an abortion provider, a pregnant woman’s friend, or even the rideshare driver who dropped her off at a clinic — you receive a $10,000 bounty. 

If This Texas Abortion Ban Takes Effect, The State Will Pay Citizens To Enforce It | HuffPost

(Words fail me to describe how ******-up this is)

 

If they only worked as hard at protecting the lives there from COVID. Pro life my ass.

Boot licking clown is really up there with the most despised Republicans

 

On 2021-08-28 at 12:29 PM, Tracker said:

If This Texas Abortion Ban Takes Effect, The State Will Pay Citizens To Enforce It

A Texas law banning abortion at six weeks is set to go into effect in just a few days. And while the ban will make it nearly impossible for women to get abortions in the state, the six-week ban — abortion opponents’ garden-variety tactic of late — is not the most concerning part. 

What makes this Texas statute particularly troubling is that it deputizes private citizens to actively seek out and sue people “aiding or abetting” women who are attempting to get abortions in the state of Texas. If you successfully sue that person — whether it’s an abortion provider, a pregnant woman’s friend, or even the rideshare driver who dropped her off at a clinic — you receive a $10,000 bounty. 

If This Texas Abortion Ban Takes Effect, The State Will Pay Citizens To Enforce It | HuffPost

(Words fail me to describe how ******-up this is)

 

Probably start a war but its not the end all be all if abortion banned. Might force people to actually use birth control or take  the morning after pill. Got to be cheaper then an abortion. 

 

 

4 minutes ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

Probably start a war but its not the end all be all if abortion banned. Might force people to actually use birth control or take  the morning after pill. Got to be cheaper then an abortion. 

 

 

Maybe, you don't need to tell others what to do with their bodies when it does not impact you or your health? 

34 minutes ago, JCon said:

Maybe, you don't need to tell others what to do with their bodies when it does not impact you or your health? 

Butbutbut then it would affect someone's sense of moral superiority which gives them the God-given right to tell others what to do, when to do it and how to do it.

57 minutes ago, JCon said:

Maybe, you don't need to tell others what to do with their bodies when it does not impact you or your health? 

So remember that one Winnipeg woman on drugs and booze who kept getting pregnant?

My opinion on abortion : I'm an old man. I will never be some young girl who is alone, pregnant, scared , in a bad situation, and unable to raise a child. It's not my choice what she should do.

13 minutes ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

So remember that one Winnipeg woman on drugs and booze who kept getting pregnant?

Following this line of reasoning, we should park all cars because some of them crash.

Edited August 30, 20214 yr by Tracker

1 hour ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

Probably start a war but its not the end all be all if abortion banned. Might force people to actually use birth control or take  the morning after pill. Got to be cheaper then an abortion. 

 

 

A lot of the reasoning for people not using birth control are education and access related. Besides that I don't think people generally use abortion as birth control anyway.

1 hour ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

Probably start a war but its not the end all be all if abortion banned. Might force people to actually use birth control or take  the morning after pill. Got to be cheaper then an abortion. 

 

 

Even planned pregnancies can cause life threatening health issues for the mother, contraceptives can fail, women get raped.

Continuing to promote ways to avoid getting pregnant in the first place = good. Keeping abortions legal = also good.

4 hours ago, 17to85 said:

A lot of the reasoning for people not using birth control are education and access related. Besides that I don't think people generally use abortion as birth control anyway.

There is absolutely an inverse relationship between education and unplanned pregnancies. However, the "righteous "moralists among the right wing. Militant about denying contraception, sex education and abortion to women but totally indifferent, even hostile to the welfare of women and children.

Making abortion illegal won’t eliminate abortions. Will just make it harder for the poor to access one safely. There are too many sleazy politicians with mistresses and live children around to risk banning abortions altogether, they’ll just make sure to keep it hush hush and available to them on the down low. 

Just now, TrueBlue4ever said:

Making abortion illegal won’t eliminate abortions. Will just make it harder for the poor to access one safely. There are too many sleazy politicians with mistresses and live children around to risk banning abortions altogether, they’ll just make sure to keep it hush hush and available to them on the down low. 

Agreed, but the whole point of denying contraception/education and abortions to women is partially that the perpetrators assume (wrongly) that it is the poor and marginalized who are having sex and they must be punished. Banning RU486 in most states is a part of that bizarre thinking.

Madison Cawthorn's office desperately tries to backpedal after he goes off the rails in conspiratorial screed
   
At a meeting of the Macon County Republican Party this weekend, freshman Rep. Madison Cawthorn deployed extremist and incendiary rhetoric about the Jan. 6 defendants and GOP claims about stolen elections.

In one section that caught attention on social media on Monday, the North Carolina Republican responded to a question about the people who have been charged with crimes related to the Capitol insurrection by calling the defendants "political hostages." He even suggested it would be appropriate to break in and free these people from federal custody — assuming he knew their location.

"The big problem is, we don't actually know where all the political prisoners are, and so if we were to actually be able to go and try and bust them out," he said, without fully completing the thought. It's possible he realized he was crossing a serious line by discussing forcibly releasing people from law enforcement custody.

Madison Cawthorn's office desperately tries to backpedal after he goes off the rails in conspiratorial screed - Alternet.org

12 hours ago, Tracker said:

Madison Cawthorn's office desperately tries to backpedal after he goes off the rails in conspiratorial screed
   
At a meeting of the Macon County Republican Party this weekend, freshman Rep. Madison Cawthorn deployed extremist and incendiary rhetoric about the Jan. 6 defendants and GOP claims about stolen elections.

In one section that caught attention on social media on Monday, the North Carolina Republican responded to a question about the people who have been charged with crimes related to the Capitol insurrection by calling the defendants "political hostages." He even suggested it would be appropriate to break in and free these people from federal custody — assuming he knew their location.

"The big problem is, we don't actually know where all the political prisoners are, and so if we were to actually be able to go and try and bust them out," he said, without fully completing the thought. It's possible he realized he was crossing a serious line by discussing forcibly releasing people from law enforcement custody.

Madison Cawthorn's office desperately tries to backpedal after he goes off the rails in conspiratorial screed - Alternet.org

Ho hum just more insane words with no real consequences other than social media shaming. Next.

How insane is the US system?

A holdover Trump appointment is blocking a Senator's (legal) request for information and has done so for over 8 months.

What a ****ing miserable country. 

 

Edited August 31, 20214 yr by JCon

When you have nothing to hide but have something to hide

 

2 hours ago, bustamente said:

When you have nothing to hide but have something to hide

"nice little telecom business you've got there. it would be a shame if something were to happen to it "

'Murica. 

 

22 hours ago, JCon said:

How insane is the US system?

just fire him.

let him sue them, who cares. 

do they want to get things done, or are they glad to have straws like this?

If  Biden, Democrats, cared, they would just boot him out and cancel all access.

 

Edited September 1, 20214 yr by Mark F

On 2021-08-30 at 5:28 PM, TrueBlue4ever said:

Making abortion illegal won’t eliminate abortions. Will just make it harder for the poor to access one safely. There are too many sleazy politicians with mistresses and live children around to risk banning abortions altogether, they’ll just make sure to keep it hush hush and available to them on the down low. 

Yup. Making anything illegal doesn't stop it from happening. In the case of abortions it only puts more lives in danger. There are also cases of women who had miscarriages being arrested in places where abortions are illegal. Because they can look very similar. Outlawing abortions comes with a whole lot of issues that are completely unnecessary in our society today. I'm actually anti abortions, but I'm pro choice. Education is the key, not laws. 

1 hour ago, Bigblue204 said:

Yup. Making anything illegal doesn't stop it from happening. In the case of abortions it only puts more lives in danger. There are also cases of women who had miscarriages being arrested in places where abortions are illegal. Because they can look very similar. Outlawing abortions comes with a whole lot of issues that are completely unnecessary in our society today. I'm actually anti abortions, but I'm pro choice. Education is the key, not laws. 

I suggest that whether you are pro or anti abortion is completely irrelevant. It is the choice of the pregnant woman. Period. It is not a moral question or one of how your faith informs you- it is a medical issue. Period. This "right to life" position is a convenient flag to hide behind as pretty much all of those in that position also condemn the "morning after" pill which ensures that any ovum does not become implanted and become an embryo. The telling characteristics of the "right to life" movement is their willingness to engage in violence and murder but are not willing to have their taxes raised to provide financial support for mothers.  Once the baby is born, they lose all interest in the welfare of the mother and child.