Tehedra

I feel sooo sorry for Toronto; they now have our ex kicker and qb combo; the only thing that could make it worse for them is if they ended up with studimier

I think this makes Addison Richards officially injury prone; he hasn't been able to participate for two years now due to always being injured and of course his development hasn't happened due to injury's as well.... Demski could be on his way out in Sask as it sounds like he isn't fitting well with Chris Jones, hopefully that happens and we can replace Addison with Demski

I think this makes Addison Richards officially injury prone; he hasn't been able to participate for two years now due to always being injured and of course his development hasn't happened due to injury's as well.... Demski could be on his way out in Sask as it sounds like he isn't fitting well with Chris Jones, hopefully that happens and we can replace Addison with Demski

I want to say that I doubt she is lying; and I also doubt it was as bad as she made it out to be.  We have to remember that there is a difference between a lie and one persons reality or opinion.  A lie is telling someone something that is completely false and knowing that it is false.  For example, perhaps there were some fairly intoxicated people behind her.  As typical that happens at a sports game, fans heckle fans of the other side.  Even in Edmonton where I go to watch the bombers play, this happens to me as I cheer on the bombers.  Now, this heckling to her could be that they were in her face, being very mean, using terribly inappropriate language and just down right disturbing.  The reality to her is that it was this terrible terrible experience.  Now to myself, the heckling I could consider fun and we can do it back and forth, or I can be like typically drunk idiots and carry on.  I honestly wouldn't consider the language an issue because if I didn't want my 9 year old child to hear profanities I would not have taken them to a place where I knew alcohol was being sold.  I probably wouldn't even take them to a sports game as even in Junior A hockey you will hear much profanity just due to the passion of the fan base in typical sports.  I'm sure even a golfer once in awhile goes "awww *****" 
Next it could have been that someone did throw a drink at the child, or it could have been that someone purposely dumped a drink on the child, or it could have been that someone accidentally dropped a drink and it splashed up and hit the child.  Now even if it was the latter, the reality to her and her child could be that they truly believed that someone intentionally dumped their drink on the poor 9 year old boy.  Even if this is far from what happened, keyword is if.  The reality to this mother is that it did happen.  It doesn't mean she is lying if she truly believes that these are the events that took place.
Let's keep an open mind, and instead of putting blame in either direction. Respect that the Blue Bombers are taking the steps necessary to verify what they feel the reality of the incident was; and that they are taking corrective actions to help assist with this mothers reality of the incident even if it is possible that she could be slightly exaggerating. 
I think its good on the Blue Bombers for what they have done because in reality this wasn't even someone from the Blue Bomber organization that caused the incident.  It was just a bunch of fans in close quarters who may have taken things a little too far.
Cheers,
Tehedra
 
 
 
 

I do have a couple of points I would like to add, if we are saying the interception number is lucky because of DB drops or penalty calls then we have to consider the drops by our guys that hit their hands even if the throw was errenuous.  It isn't like when a DB almost intercepts a ball it is in a perfect throw to them.  Now the other reason I state this is because, do we analyze every caught pass by those Quarterbacks who are apparently elite?  I'm pretty sure Carter laid it out a couple times in the Montreal game to catch what we would consider uncatchable balls.  I remember Holley made at least two of those catches in a game against us.  I don't believe that Nichols threw the ball to the wrong side on the Dressler drop, sure Dressler looked left and then had to adjust to go right but I think it's the job of the Quarterback to throw the ball to the opposite side of the defender.  I believe the ball was well placed had Dressler recognized the coverage on the left sooner and made the adjustment to catch the ball on the right he would have had the catch.  This is just experience with a Quarterback I actually appreciate that Nichols has that forethought to control the ball in that way.  I also believe that the Sheppard drop was straight up a drop, he almost had no one on him he barely had to stretch out for that ball he pulled it in and it bounced off his chest and to the ground.  If Sheppard squeezed that ball it would be a sure catch. 
Now given those examples, I still am not saying that Nichols is an elite quarterback.  I guess I am more questioning what does an elite quarterback make?  Quarterbacks with receivers that catch the uncatchable ball are considered more elite because of their elite receivers.  I would say if we are talking about accuracy, Nichols accuracy in my opinion hasn't been that terrible.  Yes he has thrown the ball slightly behind or slightly ahead but I feel it has been much more accurate than what we had with Willy, although I do believe Willy corrects that and gets back to his former self.  I would say that Nichols accuracy though when compared to that of others in the league is about similar. 
I also remember a game where our offense would have scored touch down or had a very good drive going ad our running back fumbled the ball.  It is sometimes on the Quarterback for those fumbles but it can't always be.  We can't blame those drives that didn't score a TD on the quarterback and they do of course take away his numbers.  That is why they look at the Quarterback rating and have measureables because so much of a drive depends on those outside the quarterback position.  Nichols job is to take what they give him without turning over the ball.  The receivers jobs are to capitalize on a ball thrown their way.  The defenders job are to stop the other team from scoring in any way possible and create good field position.  It's a team game and right now the team is playing at a level that is allowing us to win games.
Can we keep this up against the "elite" teams? Well we have already beat Edmonton once and I am sure we can do it again at home.  I'm not afraid of Calgary as much this year as I have been in past years.  BC to me is really the unknown but I want to play a wait and see approach.  In reality we don't have to beat each team more than once. If we win the next two games we go to the play offs; we can lose our games against BC and Calgary and only need to beat them in the play offs to win.  Just like we can win all the rest of the games and lose in the play offs and be done. 
Something that stands out to me in the recent games is actually not only how Nichols is managing the game and the ball but how Mike O'Shea is managing the game.  He seems to be doing a much better job with his challenges, as well as his calls when it involves risks on 3rd downs.  I believe our team is just short of that star receiver that can be our go to guy when things break down.  Once we have that I feel we will be contenders and hope that it even carries into the future with the team that Walters has built.
 
 
 
 
 

I do have a couple of points I would like to add, if we are saying the interception number is lucky because of DB drops or penalty calls then we have to consider the drops by our guys that hit their hands even if the throw was errenuous.  It isn't like when a DB almost intercepts a ball it is in a perfect throw to them.  Now the other reason I state this is because, do we analyze every caught pass by those Quarterbacks who are apparently elite?  I'm pretty sure Carter laid it out a couple times in the Montreal game to catch what we would consider uncatchable balls.  I remember Holley made at least two of those catches in a game against us.  I don't believe that Nichols threw the ball to the wrong side on the Dressler drop, sure Dressler looked left and then had to adjust to go right but I think it's the job of the Quarterback to throw the ball to the opposite side of the defender.  I believe the ball was well placed had Dressler recognized the coverage on the left sooner and made the adjustment to catch the ball on the right he would have had the catch.  This is just experience with a Quarterback I actually appreciate that Nichols has that forethought to control the ball in that way.  I also believe that the Sheppard drop was straight up a drop, he almost had no one on him he barely had to stretch out for that ball he pulled it in and it bounced off his chest and to the ground.  If Sheppard squeezed that ball it would be a sure catch. 
Now given those examples, I still am not saying that Nichols is an elite quarterback.  I guess I am more questioning what does an elite quarterback make?  Quarterbacks with receivers that catch the uncatchable ball are considered more elite because of their elite receivers.  I would say if we are talking about accuracy, Nichols accuracy in my opinion hasn't been that terrible.  Yes he has thrown the ball slightly behind or slightly ahead but I feel it has been much more accurate than what we had with Willy, although I do believe Willy corrects that and gets back to his former self.  I would say that Nichols accuracy though when compared to that of others in the league is about similar. 
I also remember a game where our offense would have scored touch down or had a very good drive going ad our running back fumbled the ball.  It is sometimes on the Quarterback for those fumbles but it can't always be.  We can't blame those drives that didn't score a TD on the quarterback and they do of course take away his numbers.  That is why they look at the Quarterback rating and have measureables because so much of a drive depends on those outside the quarterback position.  Nichols job is to take what they give him without turning over the ball.  The receivers jobs are to capitalize on a ball thrown their way.  The defenders job are to stop the other team from scoring in any way possible and create good field position.  It's a team game and right now the team is playing at a level that is allowing us to win games.
Can we keep this up against the "elite" teams? Well we have already beat Edmonton once and I am sure we can do it again at home.  I'm not afraid of Calgary as much this year as I have been in past years.  BC to me is really the unknown but I want to play a wait and see approach.  In reality we don't have to beat each team more than once. If we win the next two games we go to the play offs; we can lose our games against BC and Calgary and only need to beat them in the play offs to win.  Just like we can win all the rest of the games and lose in the play offs and be done. 
Something that stands out to me in the recent games is actually not only how Nichols is managing the game and the ball but how Mike O'Shea is managing the game.  He seems to be doing a much better job with his challenges, as well as his calls when it involves risks on 3rd downs.  I believe our team is just short of that star receiver that can be our go to guy when things break down.  Once we have that I feel we will be contenders and hope that it even carries into the future with the team that Walters has built.
 
 
 
 
 

I do have a couple of points I would like to add, if we are saying the interception number is lucky because of DB drops or penalty calls then we have to consider the drops by our guys that hit their hands even if the throw was errenuous.  It isn't like when a DB almost intercepts a ball it is in a perfect throw to them.  Now the other reason I state this is because, do we analyze every caught pass by those Quarterbacks who are apparently elite?  I'm pretty sure Carter laid it out a couple times in the Montreal game to catch what we would consider uncatchable balls.  I remember Holley made at least two of those catches in a game against us.  I don't believe that Nichols threw the ball to the wrong side on the Dressler drop, sure Dressler looked left and then had to adjust to go right but I think it's the job of the Quarterback to throw the ball to the opposite side of the defender.  I believe the ball was well placed had Dressler recognized the coverage on the left sooner and made the adjustment to catch the ball on the right he would have had the catch.  This is just experience with a Quarterback I actually appreciate that Nichols has that forethought to control the ball in that way.  I also believe that the Sheppard drop was straight up a drop, he almost had no one on him he barely had to stretch out for that ball he pulled it in and it bounced off his chest and to the ground.  If Sheppard squeezed that ball it would be a sure catch. 
Now given those examples, I still am not saying that Nichols is an elite quarterback.  I guess I am more questioning what does an elite quarterback make?  Quarterbacks with receivers that catch the uncatchable ball are considered more elite because of their elite receivers.  I would say if we are talking about accuracy, Nichols accuracy in my opinion hasn't been that terrible.  Yes he has thrown the ball slightly behind or slightly ahead but I feel it has been much more accurate than what we had with Willy, although I do believe Willy corrects that and gets back to his former self.  I would say that Nichols accuracy though when compared to that of others in the league is about similar. 
I also remember a game where our offense would have scored touch down or had a very good drive going ad our running back fumbled the ball.  It is sometimes on the Quarterback for those fumbles but it can't always be.  We can't blame those drives that didn't score a TD on the quarterback and they do of course take away his numbers.  That is why they look at the Quarterback rating and have measureables because so much of a drive depends on those outside the quarterback position.  Nichols job is to take what they give him without turning over the ball.  The receivers jobs are to capitalize on a ball thrown their way.  The defenders job are to stop the other team from scoring in any way possible and create good field position.  It's a team game and right now the team is playing at a level that is allowing us to win games.
Can we keep this up against the "elite" teams? Well we have already beat Edmonton once and I am sure we can do it again at home.  I'm not afraid of Calgary as much this year as I have been in past years.  BC to me is really the unknown but I want to play a wait and see approach.  In reality we don't have to beat each team more than once. If we win the next two games we go to the play offs; we can lose our games against BC and Calgary and only need to beat them in the play offs to win.  Just like we can win all the rest of the games and lose in the play offs and be done. 
Something that stands out to me in the recent games is actually not only how Nichols is managing the game and the ball but how Mike O'Shea is managing the game.  He seems to be doing a much better job with his challenges, as well as his calls when it involves risks on 3rd downs.  I believe our team is just short of that star receiver that can be our go to guy when things break down.  Once we have that I feel we will be contenders and hope that it even carries into the future with the team that Walters has built.
 
 
 
 
 

I think Heath will possibly take Johnsons spot; the only guy besides Adams who I have felt got beat a couple times in the last couple of games was Johnson and Adams.  Adams was "Shaking off the rust" according to many, so that leaves Johnson as odd man out.

I think Heath will possibly take Johnsons spot; the only guy besides Adams who I have felt got beat a couple times in the last couple of games was Johnson and Adams.  Adams was "Shaking off the rust" according to many, so that leaves Johnson as odd man out.

I'm trying to make a conscious effort to discuss things more with posters around here since there seems to be a contingent of people who views me as someone who simply attacks and degrades people I don't agree with. I can't say I agree with the criticism, but I'm making an effort to show as much patience as possible.

Eric Matthews would be a welcome addition to this forum, now wouldn't he?

Or a means of converting currencies back and forth.
Exchanging them.
An "exchange rate", if you will...
 
 
Nah, that's just too crazy to work.  CAN'T BE DONE!!!!!
 
Huh?  Who's lawn am I on?  Better get off it...

MOS did an excellent game managing this game, no if he can fix his OC problem

Cauchy was terrible!

Cauchy was terrible!

Wasn't Collins replacing Turner?

I agree with 17to85; he already knows defenses so he doesn't need to be in the game action to learn defenses.  He needs to learn our offense and it will be easier learning it while watching than learning it while in the game.

I agree with 17to85; he already knows defenses so he doesn't need to be in the game action to learn defenses.  He needs to learn our offense and it will be easier learning it while watching than learning it while in the game.

I think one point that a lot have missed is the point that Rich mentioned, that Ken Moll indicated that scouting typically takes a couple years for your finds and picks to work out.  Re-designing our entire scouting setup including staff meant starting for the most part from scratch.  That and it is true that Walters doesn't have as many US contacts which he needs to build up.  It doesn't make him a poor GM, it makes him an inexperienced GM.  These are two different things, I think for the time that he has been a GM in the CFL he has done a good job.  He has made some mistakes, but he has made some great moves.  He needs to build out his US contacts, and that will take time.  The scouting system isn't going to pay off for us immediately either.
 
Everyone is using examples of other teams bringing in tons of talent this year, but again that is because of talent they've been scouting out in previous years to line up and get this year, no other team besides Ottawa has had to rebuild their entire scouting system.  I believe in Ottawa the GM wasn't as inexperienced either so he probably already had more contacts built up. 
 
I'm still willing to give Walters some time, I do believe he needs to step in when it comes to our OC if Mike O'Shea isn't able to recognize the issue.  I believe he did a good job with O'Shea and that O'Shea does make it so more players want to play for us.  This is a positive thing as we want Winnipeg to become that place that players want to be.  We just need to fix up our Offensive Coordinator and get a couple more pieces offensively. 
 
Perhaps I just don't want to see us clean house again and start from scratch all over again, we just aren't in the position to do it successfully since we seem to constantly be cleaning house. 

I think one point that a lot have missed is the point that Rich mentioned, that Ken Moll indicated that scouting typically takes a couple years for your finds and picks to work out.  Re-designing our entire scouting setup including staff meant starting for the most part from scratch.  That and it is true that Walters doesn't have as many US contacts which he needs to build up.  It doesn't make him a poor GM, it makes him an inexperienced GM.  These are two different things, I think for the time that he has been a GM in the CFL he has done a good job.  He has made some mistakes, but he has made some great moves.  He needs to build out his US contacts, and that will take time.  The scouting system isn't going to pay off for us immediately either.
 
Everyone is using examples of other teams bringing in tons of talent this year, but again that is because of talent they've been scouting out in previous years to line up and get this year, no other team besides Ottawa has had to rebuild their entire scouting system.  I believe in Ottawa the GM wasn't as inexperienced either so he probably already had more contacts built up. 
 
I'm still willing to give Walters some time, I do believe he needs to step in when it comes to our OC if Mike O'Shea isn't able to recognize the issue.  I believe he did a good job with O'Shea and that O'Shea does make it so more players want to play for us.  This is a positive thing as we want Winnipeg to become that place that players want to be.  We just need to fix up our Offensive Coordinator and get a couple more pieces offensively. 
 
Perhaps I just don't want to see us clean house again and start from scratch all over again, we just aren't in the position to do it successfully since we seem to constantly be cleaning house. 

How was that not intentional grounding?

How was that not intentional grounding?

Agreed with this philosophy, like the issue I have are receivers are still pushing off of defenders and impeding or changing the direction of their movement without getting illegal contact calls.  I'll be  more satisfied with the rules if the receivers were also being called.

How can anyone expect a ref to decide if a penalty is going to affect the play in real time?  They can't even get the calls right all the time, even with replays and coaches challenges.  I certainly don't want them trying to decide if this hold or that hold is going to affect the play.  The simplest of concepts are the best when it comes to reffing.  Be consistent and call it the same way for both teams.  If players don't want to be called for holding. Don't hold.  What makes it OK to cheat if it doesn't affect the play anyway?
 
Before I get the 'you said something different about unsportsman conduct penalties'...  I think that those should be completely eliminated from flags.  I don't believe there should be any penalty for miming a flag or tapping your facemask or complaining about a penalty or lack thereof any more than their should be one for celebrating a great play or a TD.  I draw the line in unsportsmanlike conduct to getting into the face of another player or ref.

I don't the quarterback thing is really a problem that ails us it seems to be more of a fluke thing this year; and many of the injuries are just bodies that were injured coming back into the game.  The issue is really the game play itself; the way Illegal Contact is called, how many times did anyone see a receiver get called for "pushing" off of the defender?  I didn't see it called once yet I seen it happen many times, but at the same time how many times were defenders called for Illegal Contact? 
 
I think the new rules gimps the defense so much; people called it mugging the receivers.  I actually thought our receivers already had it easy because they had so much more field to run in.  The defenses are being forced to turn into a BLITZ type defense where they purely go after the quarterback.  It worked against us and I'm sure as teams pick up we will see more and more blitzing packages created as I'm sure that's just going to be the way for it to go.  The little hand fighting that receivers and defenders already did was why we needed different types of receivers and gave a little bit more interesting aspect to the game.