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ZC didnt take a step back...the extra hits...and appearance of being slower to process...was his stubborn nature toget it all in one shot....he went away from the more surgical carving up of teams and reaping the rewards of the bigshots being there from teams trying to adjust...he gets back to that he will be just fine...his seeming to have happy feet, and being spooked in the pocket was a result of that bad tendancy he got in...and is easily fixed. He then a lot of times foced things he shouldn't have, and you know damn well both he and coaches know this...easily fixed...and sure has been already.
Brown...still not sold on him, and we are just fine with ZC and Strev...probably even better. Strev when his time comes...will turn out to be the better starter than Brown when all said and done...Wish him well, but he in pretty precarious spot in OTT and can see a world of ugly coming from there...and not all his fault but don't think he has the chops to over come it...and can see him getting smacked arouind a lot there...frustrated....and forcing things and looking very much like a first time starter
I also am on the side of due to his build/body type he takes a beating and it will affect his play...and likely injury woes.....guess we shall see
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8 hours ago, wbbfan said:
Ford is raw as a teams guy mostly returning kicks in college and won’t out do exume who got drafted based on teams ability alone and has been doing it at a high level for 4 seasons. Hallett wasn’t our best teams guy at any point in his time here. Clements cut his teeth in this league as a strong teams guy.
We spent the last 3 drafts picking teams guys with little to show for it.our best teams guys consistantly last year from what I saw was Kelly..Cole...Cadwalder...Bolo....Gauthier....I exclude Exume from his work after getting here because he is gone now and is a under appreciated big loss
And yup...draft strategy failed last several drafts now for quality team depth, and we need to shift the mindset.....I have said before you can make anyone a good teams player....you cant make a good teams guy a useful rotational guy/back-up
If we keep all these picks this yr, focus should be on the best players on the board and not just these one trick pony guys, as it has severly depleted our quality of depth...
I don't see Murphy amounting to much here, or really offering us much either other than a guy to stand on the sidelines....and not see a rep for the next several yrs if e keep him...now looking back at last few seasons mybe he does have a purpose as we have shown a penchant for dressing guys who didnt even need thier shoes tied up
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Just now, Rich said:
Here is a depressing thought for everyone watching these games from the 80s.
Watching a 1984 game today in 2023 is like watching a 1945 game in 1984
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Yes, I feel old.
you just shut your dirty mouth!! hahahaha
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Just now, Mike said:
And we lost all of the key ones who did. Who is our Briggs? Or Miller? Or Exume?
We’ve got a few good ones like Cadwallader and I think Jake Kelly and both Halletts offer a lot too but our ST depth is super thin too right now as far as being proven
I think Charbaneua or however it's spelled should fill Briggs spot....and with 10 picks if we dont trade 1 or 2 for a proven player...we should find some value for teams in the draft....but....and big but is we need to lose the teams only mindset from the last 4 drafts...draft actually players...as any player at pro level can play teams...and will scratch and claw to get on a roster doing so save for fat lineman and the useless big bodied guys who should never have been picked..Hello Schmeckle...
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5 hours ago, rebusrankin said:
I think Kelly could be a ST ace this season and Murphy likely gives us a few catches but I don't see a huge impact from any of the 2023 draft class if a huge impact is quality starter.
Kelly already was a demon on teams...why he wasnt on roster all yr if/when healthy was again bizzare...putting Schmeckle on in lieu of him some games was just dumb...as he played no teams...had minimal if any reps on defence and did zip with them...one nice play all yr and was a guy funneled right to him
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4 hours ago, Pete said:
sorry that should have been Ford. But I do agree that last year our back up import talent wasn't utilized properly or we lacked depth.
ie. when grant went down we had to experiment with several players none of whom were adequate, and utilizing Jackson as an import was a waste. If they are looking to fox to be good enough to reolace walker why wasn't he given more opportunity. Same could be said for Haba,
Our top 10 canadians are the best in the league but it does get thin in the bottom 4 or 5. Hopefully with 10 draft picks this year and the return of ford it will be better. I also think they like the developement of Charboneau after he went back to school ly
I thought u ment Ford...but then thought maybe u had some intel on a dude...no worries
4 hours ago, GCn20 said:You may be right, I just think that we need to at least give him more than his rookie season.
I'm willing to see what he has in camp....but if he shows no improvement from last year, then cut bait as he will be already 28......and the fact he showed no improvement at all last yr...leads me to believe that he has no upside potential on defence....We should have used him in the role we wasted on Jackson, and saved that DA spot and allow him to get extra reps there, maybe he can convert like Miller...as he was a linebacker...not a fullback
4 hours ago, GCn20 said:Our top end talent at NAT is damn good, but our depth is not what it used to be.
I'd put Demski...BO...Neuf and maybe Woli at top end.....Eli if he actualy gets to play....after tha.t....our remaining starters are not upper echelon by any means...Lawso potential for sure...and hopefully he gets lions share this yr, as he has been stagnated for 2 yrs with the Thomas deployment...imagine where he would be if he was the defacto 80% of reps guy last 2 yrs...
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2 hours ago, wbbfan said:
Thing is our Canadian depth has been on the weak side the last two years save for back up ol.
Do you think the 3ni safety’s are better than import dbs like Parker? Do you think Bennett and Schmekel are better than Habba or fox?
Our back up candians aren’t better players than our back up imp players. Nis are well behind the imps position by position league wide.
People just don’t get it. They watched rotations with high quality guys propel us to grey cups and still can’t see the Forrest from the trees. We’ve also seen countless times useless guys like hurl, kuale, up to Jackson rostered and even started. People talked bad about pigrome thinking he wouldn’t get picked up or how he’s not worth it now. But the same people don’t recognize that the mos guys that start or kr seldom if ever get picked up when we let them go. We start guys then let them go in the off season and no one wants them as back ups.
mos is the best player manager, culture guy, and leader in the league. He’s also the worst at setting up a roster.
agreed....and youcan go as far to say the starting of Kramdi...as an extra Canadian essentiually for no particular reason was odd as well....The fact we had no Import...or couldn't find an import better than that is pretty sad...even sadder is the fact we had a few guys we could have put there better....yet chose not to....Kramdi is adequate average at best, and what we see...is his ceiling...not floor...we need an upgrade there net yr whether it's Ford (Who I sure on physical skill alone will be better) or an import
For all Osh pluses...he is not a good roster architect and also I question his evaluation of talent...or perhaps the rasoning behind who gets reps and rostered...Success despite our selves at times....and that as is obviously apparent the last 2 yrs is slowly eroding away
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2 hours ago, Pete said:
I think you dont ger what i ams aying, if you are starting 8 cdns, and you want to replace thomas ir lawfon with an american, you can. As you still have the required ratio..If your questioning how the coaches evaluate talent, thats a question unrelated to rule.
With Jones returning he too might be able to beat out an american rookie giving more flexibility. Sure for emergency it might be benificial, but for the teams utilizing it regularly it hampers developement of the cdns Can you give examples of teams using it that gave them a competitive advantage?
Strange that you go directly to insults rather than backing up you comments.
we dont take advantage of starting that extra Canadian either...another point to consider...if you are going to start extra, then roster appropriate guys to really make it worth the while...we don't
Curious as to the Jones character is tho...hopefully he's a stud, but have no clue who you are referencing......
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6 minutes ago, JohnnyAbonny said:
The most frustrating thing is the way Osh chose to cut off the teams nose despite the face regarding the nationalized Americans.
I’ve never before heard of a coach deliberately declining to use an advantageous rule.
A comparable scenario would be a coach declining a no-yards call because he was mad they got rid of the 5 yard penalty.he didnt like the rule when they were creating it...as he is on the committee and from what I hear was the only ditractor to it....needs to at times put his Canadian Bias and love aside for the betterment of the team...as was basically sole reason for his No vote...and this I guess is his statement and dieing on that hill with not using it....to me....thats not a good trait to harbour...using stubborn bias at expense of maximizing your roster, and making your team better...but whatever...he ain't gonna change and have to rserve ourselves to th fact that for his tenure here we will see more less than optimal moves, Just cause he is friggin Mike Oshea
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7 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:
I have no problem with Booch voicing his concern over the wat our roster is utilized, whether once or a thousand times. Why do you??
cause dome arte boot lickers...so to ay....and no offence btw...I like OSH as well but he has a few big flaws....and if corrected...just iagine the juggernaut we would have...and we likely be going for 5 straight cup wins
1 hour ago, Jesse said:lol. WJ and JJ are already on the field. No need to exaggerate your point. It would of had to be Haba or Fox coming on.
do u not understand the usage??...you could use either...or as a national if someone went down with injury, anbd use an import to replace the actual injured....or if you added say a Cole for Kramdi for a certain scheme/set...U dont have to pull an import off say at end...or Dtackle to compensate....for example replace a Walker/Fox with a slug like Schmeckle or a severly declining Thomas....or a WJ/JJ/Haba...whomever your starter is with a useless Bennett...thats how it benefits....u can slice and dice it ans lick boot bottoms all you want, but utilizing the rules(s) only benefit the team as a whole over all...If you don't actually see that then I truly question your intelligence
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6 hours ago, Pete said:
for Osh to utilize the nationalized rule assumes you have Americans that are better players than the Canadians they are replacing. Considering that we utilized 8 canadians many times is an indicator that many are underestimating the Canadian talent that is available now .
If we wanted to play an american at one of the Canadian starter positions, we could have done so regardless of the rule
So you trying to say WJ or JJ taking reps in lieu of Bennett...Schmeckle...Thomas is a downgrade??
That's almost laughable...but keep trying to defend the lunacy of not using the rule
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Highly doubt that was the reason for it...was just a result from it.....Osh I know for a fact doesn't like the rule...and fought to not have it passed....but lost on that hill....so he chooses to not use it....thats sure showing them thjo...yup....my take is suck it up Buttercup and put on yhour big boy pants
An extra pick in the draft is not a garuantee for anything...and based on how we pick save for our top 1..2 picks...big whoopity do...I look at other teams picks after the slugs we grabbed cause their ST tape "jumped" off the screen and just shake my head...especially seeing how abysmal our cover team have become...and it was already a ***** festering wound already starting in 2022
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6 minutes ago, MOBomberFan said:
Haha nah big dog you don't need my permission, I love boner talk 😄 carry on
It was valid the first 7000 times and nobody disagreed. In the interest of saving himself some time he should just set it as his signature! 😛
needs to be in the fore front...how much do you wnna bet we see another exampole of a dipshit manouver all yr long again tho...hope I am wrong...but Osh has had a penchant for his stubborn ideas pretty much in one form or another since he started....any one think we will take advantage of the Nationlized rule this yr...like every other team did?....no reason not to, other than his Osh ways....
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14 hours ago, wbbfan said:
Maybe, but if he isn’t taking a bargain deal he isn’t playing again. And that is a heavy weight that just gets heavier.
yeah, we’ve been picking guys hoping they would insert right away on teams and develop into rotational players or better. And missed on damn near all of them.
We aim low and still don’t get value. Our depth problems are damn near all chalked up to drafting poorly. We got guys starting that shouldn’t and back ups that are fringe last guy on the roster types.
I’m hopeful that we will improve that this year. If we’re just going for teams guys we should look to trade 4th or lower for guys who are in the league. Some thing.
I think we will see a run on linemen and wrs in this draft from the bombers.
Eric Wilson went both ways for us as well.
exactly...we have really done a piss poor job with Canadian depth that actually can contribute on a high level outside of teams....
further to that....nobody has picked up the SEAL and nobody is going to...and just further cements what a laughable and totally useless waste of a roster spot that was all damn yr long...all those reps and game day roster spots could have been used developing an actual talent....likely one who would come into 2024 playing lights out in yr 2....nothing like stagnating and blocking talent and development due o a Coaches stunnorness and boner
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Save for the first pick...or 2...our draft strategy has been crap ..and almost pointless in developing a true position depth roster...we need to do a 180 from this ST mindset...any pro can play teams...any draft pick has a good chance at teams..minimal draft picks save from the obvious have a sure path to being productive rotation/depth guys
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Best bet...and best roster utilization is to only dress 6 oline guys anyway, so we are set up fairly well for that as it stands.....I sure we will pick up a kid in draft, and this yr hopefully we keep a brawler import who can play gaurd on the PR as opposed to some of the wasted space we carried last yr....If we were to sustain an injury to one of our 4 Canadians we don't have to replace them with another Canadian really...our ratio can be altered quite easily
1 hour ago, Noeller said:this was my other thought, too... we could add an American on the OL and easily run a Canadian somewhere else if needed...
yes....this...
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I think it would be the same reaction if it was one of our own.....just as it is with Kelly....when Lawler had his bone headed lack of judgement nobody here glossed it over...many suggested he be gone...that being dais Management here was very procative...suspended him immediately until they details got more known and digested.
It is also a totally different situation, and just the act of a bodily harm threat alone should have been grounds for some kind of team discipline above and beyond the other stuff....and regardless if it was directed at a male or female
My take ...and from formerly being in a room, and knowing about some of the parties involved in Management. and what unwritten rues exist, this seems to be a legit thing to me...where there is smoke...usually thre is fire...Murphy is a known and confirmed idiot, and I have 100% belief he tried to push this under the carpet, and also likely had some less than professional comments and interaction with this...Kelly....nuff said...basically is Johnny Manziel re-incarnated here and on his last chance with pro ball, and he has done far worse (and proven) in the past...so again...Highly believable and in regards to the trainer...she has zero to gain from this really other than a wrongful dismissal, or the fact the team used this to not re-new her term...there was never an issue with previous renewals until this.... so why know?....add it up....and it looks bad on the Argo's as a whole, and just further confirms what a piece Kelly is
1 minute ago, TrueBlue4ever said:For one possible answer, see the general (but not universal) difference in reaction to Andrew Harris’ failed drug test and the justification that it was a tainted sample/useless old school steroid no one would take/so minimal in reading it was effectively useless and the corresponding response to Leonard’s test refusal (and therefore unknown what if anything he was on) in Saskatchewan and all the PED Leonard comments.
thing with Harris ped suspension...as someone who knows a lot about that...used and supervised others use...the drug he was supposedly stung with is one in which noway shape or form a football player...especially a skilled position guy would use in season, let alone really off-season....and it's half life would have been out of his system in days....plus...I couldnt even fathom a guess to where you could even procure it now....not sure what is up and happened there...but that one didnt add up
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Thats the order I would slate them in....