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I'd be worried if you get rid of Walters and not O'Shea, the only people who would be interested in the GM position would mean that O'Shea should be the defacto GM (if he doesn't get named that anyways). It seems like a lot of times, a GM gets brought in and he will want to do his hiring, and if you don't also get a new Coach you end up with a weird lame-duck period waiting for the incumbent coach to get fired and replaced.
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2 hours ago, GCn20 said:
Partially torn is a torn ACL and is how it is commonly reported as simply a torn ACL.
[citation needed]
We are talking about an Athletic Therapist... not an orthopedic surgeon or anything too right? His job is to do non-invasive tests and then refer him to specialists. It's not going to be malpractice if he goes 'his knee is ******' and the specialist agrees, and the team allows him to trot himself out there in a huge ass knee brace to approximate the support a functioning ACL would give him. It might rise to the level of malpractice he is failed to (or incorrectly gave) give the Lachman test, and then sent him back out there with a couple strips of KT Tape or something... but obviously there was a plan, go on the 6 game, attempt to rehab, go out there in a brace and give it your best shot.
Some choice quotes about this
https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/2025/09/05/schoens-2025-campaign-endsQuote“He could’ve had surgery however many weeks ago, but he put the team first,” said quarterback Zach Collaros.
“I don’t know if there’s an example of a receiver trying to play through an injury like that. And then, as well as he played last game, I think he still won every rep that he took. I just love the guy, he’s so tough, and cares so much about his teammates, and specifically cares about the people in this building — that’s why he lays his body out on the line. I can’t say enough good things about Dalton.”
https://www.sportsnet.ca/cfl/article/blue-bombers-wr-dalton-schoen-out-for-season-with-torn-acl/
QuoteWinnipeg Blue Bombers head coach Mike O’Shea told reporters on Friday that the talented receiver is out for the season.
He revealed Schoen tore the ACL in the July 3 road game against the Calgary Stampeders. Rather than have surgery like he did when he tore the same ACL in his left knee last year, Schoen tried to rehab it while on the six-game injured list.QuoteBombers quarterback Zach Collaros said it’s “awesome” to have Wilson back, but he really feels for Schoen.
“Just selfless,” he said of Schoen. “What happened to his knee in Week 4 and then trying to rehab it as much as he possibly could to be back out there for the team … I don’t think should be discounted.”
But I think this argument is starting to miss the forest for the trees... what is absolutely fact is that going into a crucial home-and-home series against your biggest rival, immediately after a game where your backup QB (who also was less than 1 year removed from ACL surgery) had to take significant snaps at receiver, they decided the best thing for the WR corps was trotting out someone they KNEW only had one good knee... it was mostly just dumb luck that he made it all the way to the end of the game or else we would have been seeing more of Streveler WR4 again.
3 minutes ago, Booch said:would they not have said partially torn then? If it was partial...
And he would have consulted with the physician first....not the AT....
You can sure....rehab a partially torn one minimally....and with success as a non-athlete....but without surgery the risk to fully tearing a given playing sports....joe schmoe on the street can live with it....rest...therapy and drugs can help....but dont fix
also.....thing to consider...the recovery time for a partial tear is similar to that of a complete tear for both surgical and non surgical options....so there is that too, and no way shape or form did he accumulate 10 to 12 months of rehab on the 6 game (generally the timeframe to get back on field....not necessarily back to where you were) ....and why I say either way....there was no way any "rehab" was beneficial enough to allow him to play and was just postponing the inevitable....surgery and 12 months of rehab...and was stupid....not well thought out and pointless...as we saw
where is the literature regarding our therapist as most respected in Canada....curious....not saying he's not good...as he is and I have worked with him so know all about him...but I have never heard that said anywhere but here
https://www.bluebombers.com/alain-couture/
QuoteWidely considered one of the best in his field by players, coaches, therapists and doctors across the Canadian Football League,
It would be funny if a team had a page for their Head Athletic Therapist and didn't goose him up a bit
"Hey this is our Athletic Therapist. He's pretty mid, but he tries his best and we love him anyways" -
33 minutes ago, GCn20 said:
Prove it. I've had one and rehabbed by way through it. I have not heard a single shred of legitimate evidence stating it was fully torn.
My dude, you are the only one who is going against what is being reported. Let's see your evidence that it was partially torn. We have one tweet from Tait saying it was torn. We have a sound bite from O'Shea saying yeah he tore it in Calgary. Not one time has the word 'partial' been uttered in the media in regards to Schoen. It follows that we should probably trust the team when they say it was ... torn
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I don't know what people are hoping for with Streveler. He's been here pretty much 4 complete seasons, he's had 8 career games with more TDs than interceptions, 1 career game over 300 (304!) yards passing, 7-9 as a starter. The only QBS this year with a worse efficiency than him that have taken any significant snaps are Morgan, Masoli, Walker and Shiltz.
If you want him here as that QB Sneak guy... sure I guess but that seems expensive and tbh Wilson seemed stronger in that role last year... but he absolutely should not be the guy you have out there throwing passes. I can't think of any one who has had the start he has had to his career and then put it together, past 31, post ACL Surgery.
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Riders really laid an egg at home.
Yeah the Riders were on back up corners but the Als were starting 2025 MBT... coming into the game 1/20 on passes deeper than 20 yards. I just breezed through the highlights and he must have hit on a half dozen of those tonight -
There's dooming and being realistic.
No team in the East looks like world beaters right now, but coming off back-to-back losses and starting your back-up QB... who in their last start threw 3 interceptions and had to have the D/ST provide 3 TDs to sneak out a win at home... doesn't install a ton of confidence to be fair- BomberBall. and wbbfan
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30 minutes ago, bigg jay said:
Schoen was not on the books - he was a pending FA that we extended in February.
oops this is my bad. By this I meant, he was on the roster last year and is still there this year... i think he took a hair cut this year too
Last year was
Lawler - 280K
Schoen - 230K
Demski - 225K
Wilson, Wolitarksi, Clercius, Wheatfall... all probably making close to min
This year it started out as
Demski - 225K
Schoen - 170K
Mitchell - 150KSterns, Case, Cocoran, Clercius, Wheatfall... all those guys probably right around the minimum. Not sure how Wilson is slotting in here, maybe he is taking p some of that 180K that Lawler and Schoen combined vacated last year
31 minutes ago, GCn20 said:Just not going to buy this conspiracy theory being floated. If it does turn out to be true then I will absolutely demand better. Not gonna buy this I heard it from a source that cannot be named though.
There is a source though... it's Ed Tait. He said it was torn, not partially torn. Do you not think that that is an important designation to make? Generally with football you hear 'partially torn ACL' and it is QBs or Linemen... not a WR who has to run up and down the field making constant changes of directions and speed.
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I don't think the Bombers were hoping to replace Lawler with TWO receivers.
Schoen was already on the books, hope he is 2022 Schoen and that replaces Kenny (whoops)
Sign Mitchell, hope he gives you 2023 Schoen like production (whoops)
Sign a position of need... Needed to replace Bighill so come on down Jonathon Jones (whoops)
Mitchell and Jones salary slips nicely into the hole created by Lawler's departure... But neither of them could crack the roster for... Reasons
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1 minute ago, Booch said:
now playoff games to get us to the Grey Cup
Also...maybe those games teams in the Cup schemed to take him out of the game, and was up to us to scheme something to take advantage of that...aka.....coaching?
same with when a receiver seems to go quite...maybe they saw his previous damage and schemed him out of the game and took him away, and the QB had to have the wherewithal to look elsewhere...that gets lost in the arguments too
For sure, there are a million and 1 things that we aren't exactly privy to that can affect a player game to game. Collaros being injured in 111, and Lawler being almost last man standing in 110... and then obviously his first year was 107 so can't put too much into it. He had a fantastic game in the West Finals last year... but Collaros looked vintage there as well... so much symbiosis between WR and QB. 2023 he had similar numbers to Grey Cup 110, 2021 he had similar numbers, same in 2019 but he had a TD there.
Obviously having a player like Lawler on the team would be a huge plus but cost and usage definitely a factor. He had 4 seasons here and he was at least inconsistent in his availability. You can see where the thought process would go with a high priced receiver... can't keep on the AR all year and an offense that is in clear decline... It looks worse because he is balling out this year but he is leading the league depth yards targeted and the Bombers are living right around 10 yards past the line of scrimmage... is that because they don't have someone like Kenny or is that because the Bombers are rostering QBs that can't push the ball down field? Probably a bit of both.Maybe as a fan I give the team a bit more rope than they deserve... Lots of people like to clamor for Dru Brown... did the front office completely bungle that or in the 3 years he was here did they decide that he would be unable to stay on the field with the way he plays... Would the last 2 years be any better with Brown as the QB with his inability to stay on the field?
CFL definitely isn't as transparent as a lot of other leagues and we are left to fill in the gaps... part of the fun I suppose
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13 minutes ago, GCn20 said:
Shows up when it matters in a big way.
Grey Cup 107 3/52
Grey Cup 108 3/41
Grey Cup 110 3/77
Grey Cup 111 2/27
Not exactly game breaking numbers.19 minutes ago, GCn20 said:Where does it say full tear. Nowhere. You are making assumptions and trying to back it up with anonymous confidential cannot be named sources. I am going off the history of ACL injuries and how they are handled.
The whole thesis of your argument is it must have been a partial tear or else it would border on negligence to trot him out there... so why wouldn't the team's #1 media hype man specifically call it out that it was a partial tear and everyone agreed he could try to play through it and unforunately he ended up fully tearing it... but the reporting was essentially he tore it in Calgary and after a stint on the 6 game IR they tried to give it a go but he couldn't play through it so they are shutting him down
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Walters and Kenny seems like the Hervey and Eugene situation only Walters remembered not to say the quiet part out loud.
Of all the questionable roster decisions and signings (and not signings) Walters has made, I'm not sure not signing a 31 year old WR who hadn't played more than 2/3rds of a season the previous 3 seasons to $300K/yr would crack the top 5
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What a weird **** measuring contest this is turning out to be.
I'm not sure where 'Partially torn' is coming from,
From Ed Tait's reporting
No mention of partial tear in Calgary. No mention of completing the tear in Saskatchewan.
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I didn't notice that Reavis was fined already this season for a high hit on Rourke. So probably the case that this is almost entirely a repeat offender thing no?
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Riders are definitely experts on diving at unsuspecting players knees illegally so maybe this is just game recognizing game
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39 minutes ago, Booch said:
osh think's close losses are victories and validates that his process and way he does stuff is working
When you are on the ascent or riding out the peak sure... 2018-2023 you can take those moral victories as either learning experiences or players going to be able to lean on their experience and right the ship... 2024 and on when your team is who they are, or the voices who can right the ship are in clear decline and holding on for dear life... not so much
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27 minutes ago, sweep the leg said:
Three close losses against the two best teams in the league and only one win against a backup. Brown started the game, we just broke him. We’re not good, but we’re not terrible either.
I think coming up short consistently against the best teams in the league (0-5 so far if you are keeping track) should provide a greater impetus for trying to improve the roster... not holding pat
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2 wins in the last 5 games, both against a back up QB (and in the case of Montreal the back up QBs back up back up) and the Bombers decide to trot out the same old, tired DL that has failed to generate any meaningful pressure in over a month (only 3 sacks in those 5 games). Maybe those 9 LBers on the roster will help with that?
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46 minutes ago, wbbfan said:
If you want depressing strev stats though
The depressing Strev stats for me are:
He is 9/17 on passes more than 20 yards in the air and his total yardage on those plays is... 198. 5 of them are TDs so they won't count some yardage, but that is the lowest average of yards per pass at that depth in the league... Collaros has 20 completions on passes that distance for 742 yards which is about 37 yards per completion!
Collaros also has 6 runs of 10+ yards to Strevelers 1.He also is the only QB in the league who has multiple interceptions in the red zone. His INT percentage when he gets within the 20 is 28.5%. The next two closest are Masoli at 11% and Crum at 6.7%
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17 minutes ago, wbbfan said:
I would certainly expect Arbuckle to maintain his average-ish performance.
I can't tell if you are saying that Arbuckle has been average or he will maintaining his current average but looking at the game logs and geez; 6 Straight games of 300 or more yards passing, 14 TDs vs 2 Interceptions. If the Bombers were getting that level of QBing they'd probably be the prairie team sitting on 10 wins.
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50 minutes ago, Goalie said:
Now would be a good time to sign Elgersma and roster him with the intention on giving him reps sooner rather than later. I guess that’s up to him tho and probably not us right now but things sure seem quiet with him.
Selfishly... I would want Elgersma to bounce around a bit down south before he settles up here. If he comes up this year, and balls out next year, he's probably gone again in 2027. If he spends the next year and a half bouncing around PRs and Camps looking for a shot and comes up in 2027, he's more likely here for the long haul.
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48 minutes ago, Booch said:
Faj looked like a total doofus and useless putz too until the yr he beat us in Grey Cup
Are you talking Cody Fajardo 2019 West Nominee for MOP? There is a difference between not being able to win the big game and struggling to win any game. I would take Fajardo every day over Streveler. There are very few QBs I wouldn't take over Streveler in the league right now
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11 minutes ago, Stickem said:
So what the hell has happened to our fa returner Logan...Why on earth did we sign the guy....for that matter why did we bring in Mitchell?? Just bull$hit moves ...There has to be some serious questions about offseason moves ....letting talent walk and bringing in duds...Where the hell is the accountability
Don't forget Jonanthon Jones as well. Thats what, 400k of SMS hanging out on the 1-game IR for most of the season.
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I just don't understand why anyone would want to hang onto Streveler at this point.
He's been here 4 years and the best he's shown is that he is a back up who won't directly lose you games... even though he is 7-8 as a starter.
If you are headed into 2026 with a QB room with the husk of Collaros, Streveler and Wilson (without Wilson getting these next 6 games so show what he can do) that is pretty much throwing in the towel.
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Demski at number 2 but can't believe Oliveira isn't on the list. Reigning MOP (should be back to back if we are being honest), and despite missing almost 3 entire games is 3rd in the league in Yards from Scrimmage, and the pace he is on will likely take the lead in the next couple games... even accounting for the game where he played only 1 drive he is pretty much on a 2K yards from scrimmage pace.